Thanks Haseeb ,
look trouble comes here ! you have your facts and we all in east have our facts and same people in west have their facts , talking about Great mosque of Cordoba ,its a very controversial situation , people of spain who are catholic they believe it was a church and was demolished to make a mosque and than it was not used as a mosque but as a palace , and lastly it was a mosque , so our prospect is for not letting it open to public specially muslim public to offer prayers for them its their heritage now !! and they have made it a tourist spot ! brother i dont wana sideline ur issue and ur views but all i am saying is hatred will not bring any good to anyone of us , they have it thats what you say and believe and i say yes there are reasons and there have been problems , casues , and conspiracies against muslims , but on a positive note think !!! will it end like this ? they will fo against us and we will do against them and than there is no end !!!! i hope you understand what my point of view is, and other than Spain is no more a islamic country and so are others which were once ruled by Muslims , so we can not point our finger for what they want to do with their heritage when our own mosques and lans are burned and bombed time and again,about granada they have their own theory of it being a chapel , so just a reality check how many mandirs we broke after Pakistan was made , how many gurdawaras were demolished, hurting anyones releigious beliefs is not allowed in islam too, so i think its not even a topic to talk and discuss....

1. 9/11 of all this do we have any proof ? none ? do we have any productive means of proving our innocence ? time spent on blaming can be spent on something productive to make ourselves better , whats gone is gone and can not come back but we can make a better 2mrw not for anyone else but for our own good !!!

2. as i said i am concerned about what my country is going through what my people are facing ! 15 lakh homeless and no shelter to them i would concentrate on that rather than issues which concern nations who have enjoyed and lived as powers wanted them to and now they are suffering its a disgrace on humanity but PAKISTAN comes first..
3. ok well productively what afghanistan has done in last 2 centuries and so is in balochistan and in NWFP also! looking over to my country's productive aspects we did not do anything in last 100 years in those areas , so if you want them not to come or invade or interfere or loot the wealth,change is compulsary...

4. ok agree they should not interfere but how to make those sold elegator politicians who are coming in a row and going in a row !!! they are sold !!! YOUTH is what has power to bring a change !! so why not me why not you why not all of us my brother !

5. look as we keep on screaming for not being terrorists to rest of the world but no one believes it... same is the case when it coms to west...media plays an important role and our media is showing all that is done by taliban...and if i go by what you are saying US is involved init right ? so y dont media tells it to people and rest of the wrold the answer is like everything else its sold !!! and talibans my ass i dont wana talk about that topic Zia Saab invention and all other inventions; everyone is paying back for it till now......

6. for not believing there is a reason !!! and what is it!!! y no one believes....

7. personally i am not a media person or cynical about things , but if you are saying i will still take care of it but i will say you not to be driven by your emotions about muslim passion and all trust me there are good and bad people everywhere and in times like now they do exist in our race , west might have influence our media and all but WE NEED TO BE CORRECTED AS WELL.... from top level to grass root.......
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1. agree with you about fitna !
2. There are no masjids sealed in spain, maybe in some small town but nothing like that , i have just came back from barcelona and i offered my jumma prayers !!! who told you about this ?
3. yes
4. yes
5. west has only one point and that is we are not against islam , we are against terrorism , and question is not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims ? that is the point my brother where we tend to lose ! before pointing anywhere we should better correct ourselves and excel in more productive ways , countries are never run by its politicians but with technicians, professionals, change starts from a scratch and open world history and you will find it , opressions have been there with different races , with us muslims it started somewhat 10 to 20 years ago !!! on a worlwide basis , but with africans, with african americans, its been going on for more than 300 years , its not matter of Religion plz try to undertand my point of view as well , if you ever want to put west to rest and not do all these things which you claim they are doing ! you have to come up with some productive approach , war is not solution for everything, and secondly what had west got to do with what happened in lahore today ? and many other examples like this , its a civil war , engulfed upon us , i attended a conference arranged by Peace one Day , and in that conference there was a beautiful presentation by a german lady as PAKISTAN being the play ground for WORLD WAR III , it had facts figures and things which can not be denied so plz ! i appeal to you and all my other fellows who ever will read this ! to change the way you're thinking , no one is our enemy , and we are enemy of no one.... PEACE and plz this is biggest of all PEACE !

thing to worry is you can not make them understand its a country of 164 million people , you tend to make one thing right the other is gone bad , and reciprocal.... we can hope.... raise a voice ,stand for it and do somefing about it...less there will be many Omer's losing their life and many families losing their sons,love,husbands,brothers......... and all those who do so...sooner or later are vanished from the scene...open and see history..thats what has happened...today we are fighting against taliban....than why to create them when some external power wanted us to do....ISI played role to make them and now......well i fink i should better keep me mum......

something like you can not make snakes hear noises !! or something like this !!!!

i dont know how to say in english but in italian they say "non è possibile effettuare un serpente sentire "

pardon my language.... but i appeal to every soldier out there to f*** these mother fuckers....now i started to hate myself for not being in army anymore...so i ask myself maybe i could do something...maybe i could have killed those who took life of my friend...............

its good to know that all you have felt the loss of this man of honour, but i have just one thing which i dont want to accept ever....HE IS NO MORE... these 4 words are the worst nightmare i can ever have...everytime i close my eyes...i remember every second of time we spent together...the time every cadet never forgets in his whole life...first 6 months of P.M.A....... ragging...stealing food...eating it hiding from seniors in the balcony...i was a smoker so he used to borrow smoke for me from washer man...and every possible person he could....i can not forget those days...last time we went to jinnah super together... in pizza hut the meeting we had for 2 hours...the words he said to me...the things he shared....how can i forget all those things...how can i not see the pictures of first term soaked in mud and shit and still having fun...how can i forget the times i use to play tabla on a table and he use to sing IK BAR KAHO TUM MERI HO...how can i forget those telephone booths from where we use to call....and look over eachother that some senior isnt around.......how can i forget his last phone call to me when i left country....and there are so many of these....now there are reasons...now there are operations and policies and martyrdom and what not...but a simple thing which is impossible to digest is WHY.....why him.....just why...maybe its not part of my faith to say but i am angry on GOD...and will be...till i dont get answer of my friend losing his life........WHY !!! GOD WHY !!

i dont know what to say !!! everytime i see this ! i just can not read and see more of it ! no nothing for anyone ! he is gone !!! and thatz what i can not believe.... losing some one in a war which is engulfed upon us !!! its not worth it !!! really its not !! i pray to God and i beg to him for all those soldiers their families to have faith and courage !!!! but how can i say something which i am lacking to have knowing this !!! HE IS A LOVELY PERSON & WILL ALWAYS BE.........

Captain Omer Zeb and i were room mates during our first term in Pakistan Military Academy, and i left Academy in third term, we kept meeting after that sometime but in general we lost touch, and than i came to know about this !!! i'd like to post a note which i wrote about this MAN....

After i crossed the parking lot of PMA , i walked in with a senior who kep on swearing at me, into the line so i can get my company lines and room assigned, in the line i met an old college friend who also was selected, behind me was a GUY, who introduced his self to me as Omer Zeb, and said he was from Rawalpindi and we shared few introductory things, he said me maybe we will get the same Company, and we had a big laugh like yeah out of 300 people how that'd be possible , but maybe that was the moment of acceptance, we got the same Company and SAME ROOM as well, yeah it may sound a bit too pompous but yeah that is exactly what happened, we went to room, he was such a sweet guy, we shared everything from our personal lives to all that ragging we use to get in Academy and passed on some great times all together, he was a very handsome young man, and when we went on holidays we spent some beautiful times together, like this we spent our years, and went off to our different professional lives, i was always a FUNG... a typical army term used for those who tend to be an ass hole for daily army routine life, he always use to guide me through the process and things, make me understand, even when i left the league he was the one who kept pushing me to get into civil life and do the best out of it, like friends we trusted each other also, what he use to say me meant alot to me, and what i use to say him, we shared a great sense of friendship all together, in a while he got posted to the most f***** up place on ma mother land , and we LOST TOUCH..... and yesterday i got a news that he DIED in urdu he embraced SHADAT in NWFP while their car was blown by a bomb.......life is uncertain thats what i knew always...but its unfair thats what i am starting to understand now....in a row this is my 3rd course mate who embraced SHAHADAT...but he was for sure the most dearest one.....my friend i will never forget you and i will never forget the memories we had...may God give your family peace and courage to overcome this loss.... may you rest in peace atlast after all you have been through.... and i will meet you again in this life or the next....... AMEEN

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