Carolyn Bailey: ARZone is pleased to welcome Anthony Marr as our chat guest today. Anthony Marr, environmentalist and animal rights activist, holds a physics degree and has worked as a field geophysicist and an environmental technologist. Anthony is the author of "OMNI-SCIENCE and the Human Destiny" (2003) and “Homo Sapiens! SAVE YOUR EARTH!” (2008). A full-time wildlife preservationist since 1995 and founder of the Global Anti-Hunting Coalition (GAHC), and Heal Our Planet Earth (HOPE); Anthony also leads HOPE’s Global Emergency Operation (GEO) on mass extinction due to global warming. A key speaker at the AR Conference since 2004, Anthony is currently on his 7th Compassion for Animals Road Expedition (CARE-7) covering 40 states in 7 months. Anthony was recently honoured with the title "Best All Round Activist of 2010" by two top U.S. animal rights organizations. Anthony was also honoured at the 2010 Animal Rights National Conference with the prestigious "Henry Spira Grass Roots Activist Award for his outstanding contribution in animal liberation." Anthony has generously agreed to engage ARZone members today on topics ranging from his books, to his environmental advocacy, his advocacy for endangered species and more. Please welcome Anthony to ARZone.
Carolyn Bailey: Before we begin, I’d like to request that people refrain from interrupting Anthony during the chat session, and utilise the open chat, at the completion of Anthony’s pre-registered questions, for any questions or comments you have.
Melissa Switalski: Do you need more tea in there, Anthony?
Carolyn Bailey: I’d now like to ask Anthony his first question.
Anthony Marr: Y'all learned through touring the south.
Carolyn Bailey: Hi, Anthony. You’re currently on your 7th Compassion for Animals Road Expedition (CARE-7) covering 40 states in 7 months. Could you please explain the goals of this tour and what you hope to achieve?
Anthony Marr: No, I'm fine, Missy.
Melissa Switalsi: Ok
Anthony Marr: The goals of this and every tour are: a) to understand in depth the state of AR, environment, politics and activism throughout the United States. b) to network with the top AR, vegan and environmental organizations and activists in every state. c) to assist these groups and individuals when called upon, in whichever way I can. d) to speak on AR and the environment [the Methane Time Bomb and Runaway Global Heating, and their impact on life on Earth] to as many groups as would host such events. E) to speak at the Animal Rights Conference. F) to conduct media events whenever the situations allow. g) to forge coalitions [e.g. the Global Anti-Hunting Coalition]. That's about it. A chat like this is a bonus.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks, Anthony. Butterflies Katz has a question for you next but hasn't arrived yet. So, I'll ask it for her. What is your prediction for Planet Earth and global warming; which will affect all animals; human and nonhuman?
Anthony Marr: This is a huge subject, and one that needs to be asked. The first thing I can say is that the climate situation is much more serious, and urgent, than we have thought. Google “than expected”, and you will see lots of articles where scientists say, “much more serious than expected” or much faster than expected”. To answer why, we have to start with Latent Heat. Take a pot and fill it with ice water, with 1 kg (2.2 lbs) of ice cubes, and stir it with a thermometer. The temperature of the ice water is about 0 degrees C (32F). Put the pot on a stove and turn on the heat. The water temperature won't begin to rise until all the ice has melted. It takes 80 calories of heat to melt one gram of ice without raising the water temperature by one degree. So, the initial 80,000 calories of Latent (hidden) Heat from the stove go into melting the ice without warming the water. Once the ice has all melted, however, the water temperature will rise steeply. The Arctic Ocean is a gigantic pot of ice water with sea ice on top, and the ice is melting fast, which currently is keeping the Arctic Ocean cool. But at the current melt rate, the Arctic Ocean will be ice-free in the summer, some time within this coming decade. As of that point, the water will warm up sharply. This will cause havoc in the rest of the world. The effects are many, but mainly a global drought, food shortage, famine in many places, and species extinction. It will also cause the Arctic permafrost to melt big time, releasing large amounts of methane, leading to the detonation of the "Methane Time Bomb," which can drive the Earth into Runaway Global Heating. Long story, but this would be good for starters.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks for your insight on this topic, Anthony. Tim Gier would like to ask you a question next, go ahead, Tim.
Anthony Marr: Hi Tim
Tim Gier: Your CARE-7 Tour blog #22 mentions that if the recent disaster in the Gulf of Mexico didn't “deal the almost omnipotent oil lobby a staggering blow, nothing else will.” I live in Florida and I haven’t heard a word about it in at least a month. The oil lobby is alive and well. We live in a world where nothing matters unless news of it dominates the Internet and TV. How can we work to ensure that a positive message of peace and respect for nonhuman animals gets the attention it deserves?
Anthony Marr: The "Oil Lobby" you mentioned is probably the most powerful one of all lobbies, including pharmaceutical, meat, insurance and hunting. Right now, there are four times more oil lobbyists than there are congressmen in Washington DC. America is caught up in the vicious cycle of the Oil Lobby indirectly controlling the public through mass media and directly controlling the government through political influence; and the controlled public won't support a green government. To shrug off the oil lobby is the key, but easier said than done. The oil companies are top profiting in the Fortune 500, but the government still has to subsidize them, rather than putting money into developing green technology. Whereas, the EU is doing the right thing to develop a super-grid drawing solar from the Sahara and Arabian deserts, wind from the coast, geothermal from the Mediterranean and Iceland, etc. But, due to the control of Oil on the US government, no such plan exists, that I'm aware of. So, in the next oil crisis, the EU will be okay, but the US may not be. You are right, Tim, if the Gulf Oil Spill fails to ignite people into action, it just means that Big Oil has the people dumb-down and apathetic.
Erin: The next two questions come from Cathy Garneau, who cannot be here. Both questions will be asked by Carolyn Bailey.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks, Erin. What are the top three things we can do, as individuals, to fight global warming?
Anthony Marr: I suppose, what will get people moving will be a much more serious thing, such as empty shelves in Safeway. To answer Catherine's question: a) three top things to fight global warming: beware, care, and act. Being unaware is not an option. Caring for nothing is not an option. Doing nothing is not an option. Okay. A) be aware. B) live green. C) save the planet. In other words, just being, and even living, is not enough. At this critical juncture, we all have to be activists. There are three levels of action: A) personal. Be Veg, go green, and act. B) national. No less than a complete paradigm shift. C) global. Promote international cooperation to re-cool the planet, including reduce carbon concentration in the atmosphere to below 350 ppm [currently, it is at 388 ppm, over 110 ppm higher than 130 years ago]. D) is extremely expensive and no single country can do it alone. Must require global cooperation to the tone of $100 billion per annum. And, where does this money come from? I can see only one source the global military, costing $1.4 trillion ($1,400 billion). If all nations agree to shave their own military budget by 10%, we could liberate $140 billion per year to save the planet and all life on Earth.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks again, Anthony. Catherine's section question is: What steps do you see as necessary for our country to make to effect change and progress toward stopping global heating and climate change?
Anthony Marr: For your country (speaking as a Canadian), it must shake off the Big Oil Influence. US government should invest in green technology, instead of, currently, pouring subsidizes into oil and coal, which are already top profiting corporations in the Fortune 500, while Europe is developing a super-grid drawing solar power from the Sahara and Arabian, wind power from the coast, geothermal energy from the Mediterranean and Iceland. Scotland, for example, is declaring 100% green technology by 2025, which is the first I've heard of, and is not soon enough. America currently does not have such a plan. It is still the Oil Economy. It is said that realizing just 10% of the solar potential of only one desert state, e.g. Nevada, it could provide all the electricity needed for the entire nation. But Big Oil is snuffing out all such plans. First thing to do is to stop subsidizing Big Oil and King Coal. Then, put the money into green technology R&D. AND, consider shaving the US military budget by 10% and put the saving into the global Green Fund (not yet established). Global Green Fund, probably administered by the UN by international treaty. I believe that Obama understands a lot of the truth, but is currently powerless to shrug off the yoke of Big Oil. He must!
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks, Anthony. Tammy Mcleod, who has the next question is unable to be here as well. So, Tim Gier will ask on her behalf. Go ahead, Tim.
Tim Gier: Anthony, you campaigned against Makah whaling, as well as conducting anti-whaling missions in Japan. Do you believe a stop will be able to be put to the horrific capture and slaughter of pilot whales and dolphins in Taiji? And what are your thoughts on the mass slaughter of pilot whales in the Faroes?
Anthony Marr: Hi, Tammy! Abiding by the "Know Thy Enemy" principle, the little known fact is that the enemy is not as formidable as we think. In the entirety of Taiji, there is only one fishermen's Co-op, comprising of only twenty-seven fishermen who practice dolphin slaughter with their 13 two-men fishing boats. And that's it. At Futo, the dolphin slaughter was so fragile that it was interrupted for several years, resulting from only one fisherman turning against the slaughter in favor of whale watching tourism. There are ways to defeat the Japanese slaughter and the Faroe butchery as well as the Canadian seal massacre, all in one go. What it needs is collective will and global leadership. The European boycott against Canadian seal products has had a big impact on the Canadian sealing industry. I believe an orchestrated multinational coalition against whaling can do it. Currently, there is no such coalition. But we can build it.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks again, Anthony. Another question from Butterflies. What made you focus your energy on anti-hunting?
Anthony Marr: I worked for years in the wilderness, and lived and walked amongst the deer and the bears. I revere the sense of peace and harmony, to which recreational hunting certainly does not belong, with its inherent cruelty, arrogance, disrespect, callousness, and everything undesirable in the framework of compassionate and respectful society. I have seen animals killed before my own eyes by recreational hunters. I have also seen the corruptive power of the hunting lobby on all levels of government. The pro-hunting clauses in the constitutions, the written-in and guaranteed majority of the "at least six out of the eleven voting members of the Fish and Game Council which determines wildlife management policy; six must be hunters, and another 3 must be farmers", pseudo-democracy at its finest. And, I am indignant about the hunter harassment laws under which you can go to jail for years for asking a group of hunters hunting on your land to leave, even though you may have NO HUNTING and NO TRESPASSING signs posted on your property, a trampling of one’s basic constitutional rights, on top of blood and guts in your own backyard. Most of all, I oppose bow-hunting for its inherent recreational character (if I hunt for meat, I'd use a rifle), and for its built-in cruelty; statistically, the non-lethal wounding rate of bow-hunting is over 50%, meaning that of every hundred arrow-shot deer, 50 walk around with an arrow embedded in non-vital parts of their body, for days, weeks, months, and in rare cases, years. Also, although domestic animals have some measure to law protection, there is none for wild animals. Finally, I acknowledge that hunted animals are just a faction in number of farm animals. But, likewise, the number of activists, working for farm animals, outnumbers those working for wild animals, many fold. All animals deserve their champion.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks Anthony. Lorna DevIous has a question for you, which I'll also ask. Before you founded Heal Our Planet Earth in 1999, you worked closely with tigers in India. Is this something you would consider doing again at some stage?
Anthony Marr: Yes, I would, if someone writes me a big check tomorrow. But this time, there will be a difference. While previously I was trying to save one species at a time, this time, we have to think about thousands or even millions of species at a time. We are deep in the 6th mass extinction of this planet. Thirty years ago, we estimated losing about 20 known species every day, or times 10 for species, known and unknown. Now, the estimation is of 100-120 known species every day or up to 1200 species a day, known and unknown. Mass extinction #3, 251 million years ago was caused by global warming, and drove 75% of all land species and 95% of all marine species to extinction. If this happens again, we stand to lose 16 million species on account of the irresponsible actions of one species: our own.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks again, Anthony. Roger Yates would like to ask a question now, go ahead, Rog.
Anthony Marr: Hi Roger
Roger Yates: Hi.You seem to be a conservationist at heart, mainly concentrating concern at the level of species rather than individual rights bearers. You once said that the life of one free-living rhino was worth that of a thousand domesticated chickens. Do you still hold to that?
Anthony Marr: Tough question. I somehow doubt that I would have used those exact words. But when it comes to driving other species to extinction, our species has no right. I believe that animal rights include the most basic right to exist. If the rhino species is on the verge of extinction, and especially when the root cause is humans, then we have the moral obligation to protect that species. You would probably feel the same if the planet is down to the last two chickens. Some years ago, a prominent AR/AW group launched their "Eat the Whales" campaign, right at an IWC meeting, saying that if we eat a whale, the amount of meat would equal that of so many hundreds of thousands of chickens; and, therefore, would save the lives of the same number of chickens, so we should eat whales and not chickens. The anti-vegan aspect, not withstanding, could you tell me where you stand on this? If you equate the life of a whale to that of a chicken, then would you equate the life of a whale to that of a mosquito? If one has to be killed, would you flip a coin to give the mosquito an even chance? I understand your view, Roger.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks, Anthony.would like to ask you a question now, and Jay's here! Go for it, Jay.
Jason Ward: Thanks Carolyn. Hi, Anthony. You seem to do a lot of advocacy focusing on individual causes. Do you also advocate for veganism?
Anthony Marr: Hi, Jason. I absolutely do. In fact, the vast majority of the groups sponsoring and hosting my talks are vegan. And, I often say that a vegan world can support 10X more people than a carnivorous world. This having been said, I'd add that being vegan is undoubtedly a background necessity for being an ARA, but to merely be vegan is not enough. Vegans must also be activists.
Carolyn Bailey: Thanks very much Anthony for your excellent responses to some interesting questions. This concludes the formal pre-registered question session of Anthony’s chat today. I'd now like to open the chat up for all members to engage Anthony.