Law professor claims CIA operators of drones would be guilty of war crimes under U.S. view of law
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Law professor claims CIA operators of drones would be guilty of war crimes under U.S. view of law

Washington : DC : USA | May 01, 2010 at 8:50 PM PDT
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The CIA pilots are not combatants and as the professor points out the U.S. govt. seeks to prosecute its adversaries who engage in similar types of actions. Another prof. claims drone use is lawful only within combat zones. However, the US uses them mostly in non-combat zones. No doubt the authorities think that anywhere they fire a missile is ipso facto a combat zone!

What bothers me about all these arguments is the frame in which they occur. None of these eminent legal minds seem to have a single critical neuron in their brain about the framing issue. All dutifully consider the war on terror to be a garden variety of war so that the laws of warfare apply. No one ever makes similar uncritical assumptions about the war on crime or on drugs and certainly not on the war on poverty!This is from this site.

Loyola Law School professor David Glazier, a former Navy surface warfare officer, said the pilots operating the drones from afar could - in theory - be hauled into court in the countries where the attacks occur. That's because the CIA's drone pilots aren't combatants in a legal sense. "It is my opinion, as well as that of most other law-of-war scholars I know, that those who participate in hostilities without the combatant's privilege do not violate the law of war by doing so, they simply gain no immunity from domestic laws," he said.

"Under this view CIA drone pilots are liable to prosecution under the law of any jurisdiction where attacks occur for any injuries, deaths or property damage they cause," Glazier continued. "But under the legal theories adopted by our government in prosecuting Guantánamo detainees, these CIA officers as well as any higher-level government officials who have authorized or directed their attacks are committing war crimes."

The drones themselves are a lawful tool of war; "In fact, the ability of the drones to engage in a higher level of precision and to discriminate more carefully between military and civilian targets than has existed in the past actually suggests that they're preferable to many older weapons," Glazier added. But employing CIA personnel to carry out those armed attacks, he concluded, "clearly fall outside the scope of permissible conduct and ought to be reconsidered, particularly as the United States seeks to prosecute members of its adversaries for generally similar conduct."

... Mary Ellen O'Connell, professor of law at the University of Notre Dame, was much more blunt in her statement. "Combat drones are battlefield weapons," she told the panel. "They fire missiles or drop bombs capable of inflicting very serious damage. Drones are not lawful for use outside combat zones. Outside such zones, police are the proper law enforcement agents, and police are generally required to warn before using lethal force." "Restricting drones to the battlefield is the most important single rule governing their use, O'Connell continued. "Yet, the United States is failing to follow it more often than not."

northsunm32 is based in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada, and is an Anchor for Allvoices.
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Posted By albertacowpoke Karl Gotthardt | about 2 years ago
This is an interesting view and perhaps the correct one. If you take this one step further, then those that are ordering these drone attacks are giving unlawful orders. I'm sure the whole issue would make an interesting case study in the Law of War.

Thank northsunm, it is thought provoking.
Posted By robertweller Robert Weller | about 2 years ago
I do not believe there is any evidence that drones are less likely to kill innocents than foot soldiers or piloted warplanes. What is true is that because there is no human at the scene, there is less chance to stop a mistake from happening. As to combatants. Was Harry Truman a combatant when he sent the Enola Gay on its way? You have raised a very interesting question. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that Americans care. Let's see how they like it when we are all walking around with implanted chips and the feds can track are every move.
Posted By robertweller Robert Weller | about 2 years ago
re above make it read and "the feds can track our every move."
Posted By davidglazier davidglazier | about 2 years ago
Actually, as one of the professors quoted above, I take exception to the accusation that I have not dedicated "a single critical neuron in their brain" to the framing issue. Actually I've thought and written extensively on the subject, I just took the fact that we are in armed conflict with al Qaeda as a starting point for my congressional testimony given that Congress has specifically authorized the use of force against al Qaeda. You might consider downloading a recent article I've written which addresses this issue in more detail:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1374613

Sincerely,

Dave Glazier
Posted By northsunm32 northsunm32 | about 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment and references. I apologize for the offence but in the article it is assumed as you admit that this is an armed conflict and it does fit the frame which seems always to be there.
Posted By northsunm32 northsunm32 | about 2 years ago
I have read some but not all of your quite interesting paper. Great that such work is available on line. I gather that you think that terrorists can be dealt with under the criminal law and that this is in fact preferable in many respects. However you think that such policies as long term detention without charge would not be justified and also many charges would fail against suspected terrorists because there would not be sufficient evidence or at least admissible evidence. Thus the armed conflict paradigm is preferable in many cases when terrorism is involved.
For me the fact that the armed conflict paradigm justifies such practices are arguments against its use and confirms my whole view of the practice of framing.
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