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Do we destroy America to save it?

Glendale : CA : USA | Nov 10, 2009
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When I first heard of the Fort Hood shootings last week, I was horrified.

When I heard that the alleged perpetrator was a Muslim, I felt even worse. Even if the killings were just the work of one deranged man, even if they had nothing to do with Islam or terrorism, how could they do anything but make Americans even more leery of the Muslims who live among us?

No one seems to know exactly how many there are, but various sources have quoted the figure at about 7 million. Most of those folks aren’t radical Islamists, just as most Christians aren’t people who bomb abortion clinics. But there is a differentness to Islam that seems to make many Americans uneasy, and just as I felt Osama bin Laden could have left us far more nervous had he attacked two small towns at random instead of picking New York and Washington, the shootings at Fort Hood trouble me.

After all, most of us don’t live in New York or Washington, but if the terrorists had attacked Sioux Falls, S.D., and Spartanburg, S.C., that might have left us with a feeling that they could hit us anywhere.

The problem we have faced ever since Sept. 11, 2001, has been a complex one. How do we provide people the feeling of safety they need without surrendering what makes us Americans? How do we target Muslims without shredding the First Amendment right of freedom of religion?

In 1290, King Edward I of England expelled all the Jews fom his country, mostly in an attempt to end the practice of lending money at interest. It wasn’t until 1656 that edict was reversed.

Could we even consider doing anything like that? It would be awfully difficult, especially when you consider that many of the Muslims people would seek to expel would be law-abiding Americans who were born here and have spent their whole lives here.

Could we outlaw a religion? If you get rid of Islam in America, then what about Scientology? Or what about any religion practiced by a very small minority?

I could certainly see us not deploying any Muslims in our military to the Middle East. There is certainly precedent for that. In World War II, when young Nisei were allowed to serve in the Army, they were all sent to the war in Europe instead of being asked to fight Japan.

It isn't as if there are so many Muslims in the Army now that they couldn't be kept in the states or sent to Korea or Germany.

I feel absolutely awful for the victims of the Fort Hood shooter and their families, and I certainly want the shootings investigated and whoever is responsible punished to the full extent of the law. But even if it does turn out to be a terrorist act, and not just the actions of a sick, deranged individual, you don’t protect America by destroying what it stands for.

Remember, we are the land of the free and the home of the brave.

It seems as if a lot of people are forgetting that second part these days.

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Posted By firesisle Hardy Wright | 9 months ago
I could never see the US deporting Muslims, or, attempt to legalize any form of discrimination against them; they have the same rights as anyone else and should be treated accordingly.

When and if they abuse those rights, by trying to implement the tenets of Sharia law that conflict with US law, they should suffer the consequences, just like any other law breaker.

When they threaten, or infringe on the rights of other citizens to speak their mind on any subject, including their Prophet, or the Qu'ran, they should be brought to heel.

If they go about their lives like any other peaceful citizen, they should be embraced as a viable part of the community.

You have a point about sending them into direct conflict with other Muslims, but really, Christians have fought against Christians on many battlefields, so I think it's probably unnecessary.
Reply By djleon212 djleon212 | 9 months ago
hmm actually i cud see the US deporting Muslims. well maybe not with obama as president but still, america has sunk to very low things before.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 9 months ago
Whereas most are looking at this incident and trying to find ways to make this a Muslim thing and not a Hasan thing, I think they are missing the point that there are American Muslims fighting right now in Afghanistan and Iraq.

You want to tell them "we don't trust you guys anymore cause this retard in texas went psycho and shot up U.S. Troops".

That's disrespectful and just wrong.


What should have been done, and should now be taken more seriously is when a Muslim U.S. Troop asks to be not put in a position where he will be killing other Muslims because of his beliefs, then the military should take it seriously.

Only when the Muslim soldier is specifically asking for that, like Hasan had.

From what I've read he insisted on not being sent to Afghanistan, and the military was going to do it anyway (not that that reason excuses his actions).

I had a cousin in the Marines up until 2003 when he retired. He had no problems going to the Gulf War, he was proud to go. He had no problem going to Afghanistan either. So it makes no sense denying these Americans a chance to help their nation by going to places they are needed the most.

But yes if a person with a history and background like Hasan is saying he doesn't want to get sent to Afghanistan, maybe someone should have listened a bit more seriously.

For example if I was in the military and I was asked to go into Pakistan (I'm choosing Pakistan because I was born there) I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would gladly go, I don't support the Taliban there at all, I don't even really support the people running the government there.

But my point is, I would want to go to Pakistan, I would want to represent the U.S. military there. I would want to fight off the terrorists and the Pakistan Taliban there. I would be honored to do it, because not only is it good for the U.S. to get rid of these terrorists, but it is good for Pakistan as well, and I have a lot of family that lives there.

As a Muslim I obviouly do not want to kill other Muslims, but if I was being sent to Pakistan I would be fighting people who call themselves, but act like terrorists. Terrorism is not allowed in Islam. The rules of a "just war" are clear and the things Al Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban do are just plain Unislamic.

And these so called Muslims are killing other Muslims and so it actually becomes my duty to stop them, as far as my religion is concerned.
Reply By ektarr ektarr | 9 months ago
You are the first rational muslim i've ever come across. You sir certainly are a credit to your religion..
Reply By violette violette | 9 months ago
Have you met many muslims?????
Reply By blackwidow351w blackwidow351w | 9 months ago
The problem with that is when you join the military you take an oath to defend america from all dangers foreign and domestic. If someones religious views interfere with their duty as a soldier/ marine/ airman or seaman then they should be discharged immediately. That is the only way to handle the situation. Otherwise you would have people that use their so called religious views to not perform their duty.
Posted By nathanielinbrazil Nathaniel Hines | 9 months ago
Kudos. Good piece. I could not agree more. Keep the pace. Please.
Posted By slydog Andy Mathisen | 9 months ago
Both Canada and the US rounded up people of Japanese descent during WW2 and put them in "internment camps". Their property and goods were seized also..it has taken over 60 years for that "infringment" of civil liberties to be rectified in any meaningful way. Lest we forget..it IS Remembrance Day tomorrow (a veteran's day type thing for "Commonweath" types!) You know..the First World War Armistice?

ps Great article Mike!
Posted By wasem wasem | 9 months ago
wwoooooooooooow.....that seems kind of intersting
Posted By wasem wasem | 9 months ago
acutally a lot......... woooooooow
Posted By blackwidow351w blackwidow351w | 9 months ago
The only people we need to be keeping out of the U.S. are illegals. Someones political or religious views are not a reason for being deported.
Posted By pollard pollard | 9 months ago
An enemy combatant against America, deserves to die if he attacks our soldiers or citizens. Regardless of religion.

If you took an oath to do this, recieved an education, paid, fed, housing or any other remuneration, were given orders to go to war, you have 2 choices. GO or DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE.

You get no special attention about your prefrence of what to do.

Slydog, just what were we suppose to do in the 1940's when this was a completely different society, we had never been invaded by a foreign army/navy. I've never heard Japan apoligize to our military for the death camps in guadalcanal or the Batan death march in the philippines.

Believe me if you would've mention civil libertys to the authorities in the 40's you would have a nightstick scar across your forehead.
Reply By slydog Andy Mathisen | 9 months ago
You make a valid point. I was only bringing up the issue to make the point that historical neccesity has abrogated civil liberties in the past...whether rightly or wrongly was not the gist of my comment. Merely a reminder that in a democracy Freedom can be taken away by decree. You'll notice we didn't gather up all muslims or Arab peoples after 911 and put them in camps...well..maybe Gitmo..but they were captured combatants.
As for the Japanese internment, many were 2nd generation Japanese who had never set foot in Japan and were very "North America" In truth..it smacked of racism. Did Canada and the US gather up all peoples of German descent and stick them in camps? Hell..whole states would be empty!
Posted By loser12345 loser12345 | 9 months ago
The only ones who can destroy America is ourselves
Posted By robertweller Robert Weller | 9 months ago
Christians fighting Christians is not the same as Muslims fighting Muslims on behalf of Christians.
Reply By CaliforniaMike Michael Rappaport | 9 months ago
Definitely true. Even though in Bosnia we had Christians fighting Christians on behalf of Muslims, there's rarely been a feeling in the modern world that Christians fighting other Christians is wrong.
Posted By pollard pollard | 9 months ago
Point taken slydog,
weller, If muslims can't or won't fight and kill muslims, then answer me one simple question. How come a muslim will strap a bomb to his butt,run into a crowded square and kill innocent muslim women, children pretty much non-combatants, are they not worthy to reap the same benefits of the suicide murderer. You seem to be the expert weller and defender of this jackass.

I really can't comprehend how anyone can defend this mans action's by saying things like, his car was keyed or they ripped off a bumper sticker or even if they called him names like some have said.
Reply By CaliforniaMike Michael Rappaport | 9 months ago
They wouldn't let him watch his favorite TV show.
Posted By blackwidow351w blackwidow351w | 9 months ago
Good point pollard.
Posted By dilly dilly | 9 months ago
So dumb................................. what the hell
Posted By reidmill reidmill | 9 months ago
we dont destroy it we kill it
Posted By jmgame jmgame | 9 months ago
Its unfortunate how this has been twisted into a terrorist thing. The dude was just nuts. Anyone who walks into ANY facility and just opens fire on innocent people has problems. Rather it is personal or religious or whatever reasoning his insane mind can come up with.
Posted By jmgame jmgame | 9 months ago
OK....weller....I'm sorry man, but that comment is just plain ignorant. What the heck are you even talking about? What Muslims are fighting Muslims on behalf of Christians? This war we are involved in is NOT a war against a religion...it is a war against terrorism. Those freakin extremists are not only shaming the Muslim religion, but they are killing thousands of innocent people. I'm just glad that God will have the ultimate say and His judgment will be final.
Posted By fugazi419 fugazi419 | 9 months ago
interesting points, but why not wait until the investigation is complete to draw conclusions
Posted By wesam123 wesam123 | 9 months ago
nice one like it alot
Posted By wesam123 wesam123 | 9 months ago
keep the good work
Posted By grassgummy grassgummy | 9 months ago
Is it just me or are there a lot of Americans who don't know enough about other religions/cultures to make any reasonable statement about a group of people. I remember when the shooting at Virginia Tech occurred, people looked at me in a weird way just because I was Asian, but what does that have to do with anything?
Posted By pollard pollard | 9 months ago
It's become so easy to assume someones looking at me weird. If you just happen to be one of the 732 minority groups listed, you have an excuse. Should we have a moment of silence or better yet, a pity party for you. I have 3 words for you "GET OVER IT"

This sympathy card everyone seems to be playing is getting old fast, I went to a barber shop yesterday and everyone looked at me weird,you see I have blonde hair, but everyone in the place had red hair.
Posted By Karenc2002 Karenc2002 | 9 months ago
As far as I am concerned, they can close the immigration for all of those from muslim countries. If they can't come to this country and enjoy the freedoms we have here, then they can stay in their own country and shoot each other up there. I am a veteran from the Vietnam era and after this incident, every muslim is suspect to me and they have been since 2001.
Reply By firesisle Hardy Wright | 9 months ago
I think the problem isn't limited to Americans, but is more global in scope. Many people fail to really have an intimate understanding of anything outside their own culture.
Posted By pollard pollard | 9 months ago
Good point fire, You go any where in the world, any country and tell the citizens how unfair, uncivil, descriminating etc etc, they are and they will tell you to take a hike or get out if you don't like it.

Not in the good old U.S.A. How dare you treat a guest this way, I don't care if he called your wife ugly, deal with it......

Karenc2002, Thanks for serving OUR COUNTRY, GOD BLESS YOU.
Posted By wanderne wanderne | 9 months ago
thaks for sharing informations...

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