Obama: Cold & Distant. Bush: Decisive & Passionate.
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Here is one big difference between George W. Bush & Barack Obama : One is cold & heartless, the other is passionate & decisive. One is emotionless and detached, the other is engaging and emotional. The George Bush we came to know would have been at Fort Hood that very next day after the tragedy to console, hug, embrace and perhaps even shed a tear or two with the families of the victims. He would have been at the Base to uplift and console and perhaps offer a few tough words.
The Barack Obama we are getting to know - our Commander-in-Chief is distant & cold. Appearing emotionless as the lives of hundreds of people were turned upside down by a member of their own Army. Calculating. Thinking of how to best avoid casting any aspersions on the Muslim Community. Carefully broadcasting his encrypted message to anyone listening, that to jump to conclusions would be viewed as unwise. Biased. Perhaps knowing instinctively, that this was an act of domestic terrorism by a Muslim fanatic, he may have gotten word out to CAIR, and other Muslim organizations to save him the pain of having to denounce Muslim violence.
He will not hesitate to denounce dissent or opposing points of views, but he struggles with denouncing cowardly acts by the Muslim community. As if almost afraid to offend the likes of Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.
He may have gotten word out to Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey to spin the story and make it more about psychological stress than simple case of domestic terrorism driven by political & religious motives. So let it be written, so let it be done.
"I think the speculation could potentially heighten a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers, what happened at Fort Hood is a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here." (George Casey ).
In other words, there are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US military. So what if a few of them commit this type of atrocity every now and then.
How dare anyone stray off the politically correct wagon. Who cares that 14,000 terrorist acts have taken place around the world since 9/11 and 13,995 have been committed by Muslims & Islamic terrorists?
Who is going to hold it against me that I showed more concern for the abortion doctor that was gunned down by a Pro-Life Christian earlier this year, than I have shown so far for the 50 or so families of the Fort Hood tragedy? I have Healthcare to worry about. I have double-digit unemployment to worry about. I have to worry about troops in Afghanistan & Iraq killing innocent Muslims. I have Fox News to worry about. This is really important stuff.
The more I see the developments of this tragedy evolve, the more I can’t help to think that our own military may have known about Hasan’s radical tendencies and did nothing about it. They knew about his involvement with a radical Imam living in Yemen, and his contacts with al-Qaeda operatives. Joe Lieberman is right on the mark on this. This looks like & smells like an act of terrorism. An act that should be probed by the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
In the meantime, Hasan’s act is being praised as an act of heroism in Muslim communities and on the web pages of Islamist extremists while the Army continues to pussyfoot around the evidence.
These investigations bear close scrutiny and monitoring as early indications are that the President and this WH would like nothing more than to make this go away as quickly as possible. The difference between Obama and Bush. One vaccilates, the other acts. One thinks, the other decides.
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You know, I don't think it would be possible to agree more.
This is what happens to Presidents when they don't keep theri promises.
lmao true im so angry at this.
"The George Bush we came to know would have been at Fort Hood that very next day after the tragedy to console, hug, embrace and perhaps even shed a tear or two with the families of the victims."
Just like he did with Katrina victims right? I think Kanye West would disagree.
"there are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US military. So what if a few of them commit this type of atrocity every now and then."
There are two, counting Nidal Hasan. Just two.
Since 9/11 just two. Far more Muslim soldiers have died fighting for us. Far more. And far more than that are fighting right now, without even second guessing what they are doing. They didn't kill any American soldiers, how about the military just deal with the ones that have. I think one has already been sentenced to death. And the other one just started talking.
I think the percentages are in favor that Muslims are far more likely to not be terrorists than be terrorists. Do you know what 2 divided by 15,000 is...0.0133333%.
"this was an act of domestic terrorism by a Muslim fanatic"
Yeah probably was. "a" Muslim fanatic. Or just a p***y that that didn't want to go to Afghanistan and religion was a good think to hide behind.
"Who cares that 14,000 terrorist acts have taken place around the world since 9/11 and 13,995 have been committed by Muslims & Islamic terrorists?"
What!!!??!! Were all those terrorist attacks by Muslims in the U.S. military? Were they all by Muslims in the U.S.? Cause if they were then you're right, Obama needs to warn all them Muslim in America that they better act right or else. If they were mostly Muslims from known terrorist groups (and not people who are fighting people they view as invaders in their country), then it is glowingly ignorant to call out American Muslims for something they are not doing or have any intention of doing.
And the other thing, those numbers are just ridiculous, I don't know where you got that from but that is just stupid. Since 9/11 only 5 terrorist attacks have been non-Muslims? In the whole world? I know for a fact that is incorrect.
"Who is going to hold it against me that I showed more concern for the abortion doctor that was gunned down by a Pro-Life Christian earlier this year, than I have shown so far for the 50 or so families of the Fort Hood tragedy?"
If Obama does what you want him to do, how many Muslim families would have to deal with discrimination (physically violent or just rhetorically violent)? I know of a least 15,000 right off the bat.
How many families would lose a member of their family because of the added anger terrorists and insurgents would have from discrimination of the American Muslim population? How many more people would be added to the ranks of the Taliban and Al Qaeda? How many American Muslims would it nudge into accepting a more extremist view?
"In the meantime, Hasan’s act is being praised as an act of heroism in Muslim communities and on the web pages of Islamist extremists while the Army continues to pussyfoot around the evidence."
The link you gave with that paragraph, The same guy that is calling Hasan a hero, is calling the rest of the American Muslims hypocrites and not true Muslims.Why? Because the rest of us don't believe what Hasan and his kind believe.
And are you surprised that the Imam that supported the 9/11 attacks is now celebrating the Fort Hood attack? I thought it would be expected. The guy is effed in the head.
Just like he did with Katrina victims right? I think Kanye West would disagree.
"there are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US military. So what if a few of them commit this type of atrocity every now and then."
There are two, counting Nidal Hasan. Just two.
Since 9/11 just two. Far more Muslim soldiers have died fighting for us. Far more. And far more than that are fighting right now, without even second guessing what they are doing. They didn't kill any American soldiers, how about the military just deal with the ones that have. I think one has already been sentenced to death. And the other one just started talking.
I think the percentages are in favor that Muslims are far more likely to not be terrorists than be terrorists. Do you know what 2 divided by 15,000 is...0.0133333%.
"this was an act of domestic terrorism by a Muslim fanatic"
Yeah probably was. "a" Muslim fanatic. Or just a p***y that that didn't want to go to Afghanistan and religion was a good think to hide behind.
"Who cares that 14,000 terrorist acts have taken place around the world since 9/11 and 13,995 have been committed by Muslims & Islamic terrorists?"
What!!!??!! Were all those terrorist attacks by Muslims in the U.S. military? Were they all by Muslims in the U.S.? Cause if they were then you're right, Obama needs to warn all them Muslim in America that they better act right or else. If they were mostly Muslims from known terrorist groups (and not people who are fighting people they view as invaders in their country), then it is glowingly ignorant to call out American Muslims for something they are not doing or have any intention of doing.
And the other thing, those numbers are just ridiculous, I don't know where you got that from but that is just stupid. Since 9/11 only 5 terrorist attacks have been non-Muslims? In the whole world? I know for a fact that is incorrect.
"Who is going to hold it against me that I showed more concern for the abortion doctor that was gunned down by a Pro-Life Christian earlier this year, than I have shown so far for the 50 or so families of the Fort Hood tragedy?"
If Obama does what you want him to do, how many Muslim families would have to deal with discrimination (physically violent or just rhetorically violent)? I know of a least 15,000 right off the bat.
How many families would lose a member of their family because of the added anger terrorists and insurgents would have from discrimination of the American Muslim population? How many more people would be added to the ranks of the Taliban and Al Qaeda? How many American Muslims would it nudge into accepting a more extremist view?
"In the meantime, Hasan’s act is being praised as an act of heroism in Muslim communities and on the web pages of Islamist extremists while the Army continues to pussyfoot around the evidence."
The link you gave with that paragraph, The same guy that is calling Hasan a hero, is calling the rest of the American Muslims hypocrites and not true Muslims.Why? Because the rest of us don't believe what Hasan and his kind believe.
And are you surprised that the Imam that supported the 9/11 attacks is now celebrating the Fort Hood attack? I thought it would be expected. The guy is effed in the head.
The day after Katrina people were shooting at the rescuers and looting like mad... Seems rather different than going to ft hood!
Yes that's obvious yet you didn't dispute the fact that people were shooting and looting. My point is that the president shouldn't got to some place with that kind of violence and disorder happening. It's a completely different situation from ft. hood.
Thanks for writing this. Apparently the hard-core conservatives see a different Bush than most of us saw. You can't turn Mr. 23 percent into a beloved leader.
Obama has his shortcomings; Bush was a disaster.
Obama has his shortcomings; Bush was a disaster.
Obama is a disaster!
Mike,
I am referring to the a few specifics where Bush clearly stands way above Obama. Bush did stray from many Conservative principles and he deserves grief for that. Obama has shown us that is cold and calculating and before it's all said and done, Bush will have some competition from Obama for 23% approval rating.
Bush had a more human side to him, you knew what he was thinking and felt. Mr. Coolness has fought himself to avoid being labeled an angry Black man and in the process has come across as a prude, non caring and detached from the very same people that elected him.
I am referring to the a few specifics where Bush clearly stands way above Obama. Bush did stray from many Conservative principles and he deserves grief for that. Obama has shown us that is cold and calculating and before it's all said and done, Bush will have some competition from Obama for 23% approval rating.
Bush had a more human side to him, you knew what he was thinking and felt. Mr. Coolness has fought himself to avoid being labeled an angry Black man and in the process has come across as a prude, non caring and detached from the very same people that elected him.
"Bush had a more human side to him, you knew what he was thinking and felt."
You did? Really? Boy, he sure fooled you.
You did? Really? Boy, he sure fooled you.
A80,
We have been heading down the perilous road of political correctness for far too long. I think it is time to leave the hyphens out of Americanship and stop all the sensitivity and politically correct nonsense. The vulcanization that is taking place in this country has got to stop.
If you are here in this country regardless of your background, you should be embracing American culture & singing God Bless America.
I don't care too much about political correctness and I don't adhere to it.
I am shocked that you are still trying to defend this guy when this is clearly an act of terrorism. A symbolic one at that. An attack on the biggest military installation in the US.
Barack Obama is sensitive to Muslims and this is why he has distanced himself from the controversy and worst yet, has givena cold shoulder to the families that have been destroyed by this act of terrorism.
Let's all stop living in a pretend and make believe world. The guy committed an act of terrorism plain and simple. Our leadership and media are being cowards and urging everyone to see this as something else for fear of backlash from the muslim community. Political Correctness is tearing apart the fabric of this country.
We have been heading down the perilous road of political correctness for far too long. I think it is time to leave the hyphens out of Americanship and stop all the sensitivity and politically correct nonsense. The vulcanization that is taking place in this country has got to stop.
If you are here in this country regardless of your background, you should be embracing American culture & singing God Bless America.
I don't care too much about political correctness and I don't adhere to it.
I am shocked that you are still trying to defend this guy when this is clearly an act of terrorism. A symbolic one at that. An attack on the biggest military installation in the US.
Barack Obama is sensitive to Muslims and this is why he has distanced himself from the controversy and worst yet, has givena cold shoulder to the families that have been destroyed by this act of terrorism.
Let's all stop living in a pretend and make believe world. The guy committed an act of terrorism plain and simple. Our leadership and media are being cowards and urging everyone to see this as something else for fear of backlash from the muslim community. Political Correctness is tearing apart the fabric of this country.
Red - you are stoking the fire by refusing to acknowlege that A80 is NOT defending the shooter at Fort Hood, not at all. Like far too many self-described "conservatives," you are only seeing what you want to see. For the sake of all we hold dear as Americans, OPEN YOUR EYES! Enough with the poor-poor pitiful me whine that "conservatives" have perfected over the past several months. You blame "political correctness" and call for drastic measures against law-abiding citizens, some of whom serve honorably in our military, and you expect everyone to see things as you do?
Thank G-d that Barack Obama is president now and not some shoot-'em-up dolt like Bush. This is a very delicate situation and you want to cast a wide net and start imposing loyalty oaths on all Muslims? What kind of American attitude is that? Answer - a fascist one. Let's call it what it is and quit hiding behind the Red, White and Blue.
The brand of "conservatism" that you practice, my friend, is tearing apart the fabric of this country, and if you think "conservatives" don't have their own sick form of "political correctness," you are deluding yourself.
Thank G-d that Barack Obama is president now and not some shoot-'em-up dolt like Bush. This is a very delicate situation and you want to cast a wide net and start imposing loyalty oaths on all Muslims? What kind of American attitude is that? Answer - a fascist one. Let's call it what it is and quit hiding behind the Red, White and Blue.
The brand of "conservatism" that you practice, my friend, is tearing apart the fabric of this country, and if you think "conservatives" don't have their own sick form of "political correctness," you are deluding yourself.
You just don't get it do you Red.
"I am shocked that you are still trying to defend this guy when this is clearly an act of terrorism"
For the umpteenth time, I am not defend that @$$hole. I am defending all the other Muslims that you want to discriminate against. I can't believe you can't see beyond your hate for Muslims and Islam.
Read all of my comments and my article, I haven't defended the guy once. I have said that some of the things you are pointing to as proof he was a "Muslim terrorist", are really just things that prove he is just a "Muslim", not a terrorist.
That difference needs to be understood by people that have views like you, there are differences between talking about technically what is suicide and what is not, and condoning suicide bombing.
There's a difference between being an extreme violent Muslim and being Muslim.
Muslims like me are targets of the extreme violent Muslims, what makes you think I would support anyone that wants to kill me.
"Barack Obama is sensitive to Muslims and this is why he has distanced himself from the controversy and worst yet, has givena cold shoulder to the families that have been destroyed by this act of terrorism."
Yes he is sensitive to Muslims, and he should be. That's not a bad thing, why is that a bad thing, because you want him not to be?
It's not political correctness, it's being the President of Muslims in AMerica as well. There are a crapload of us in the country. We vote. We voted for him. He better be sensitive to our needs as well. We didn't kill those people in Fort Hood. Hasan probably(still gotta say probably because it's not official yet) did. He's to blame, blame him and leave me out of it.
The Muslim community didn't commit this crime, one idiot did. Punish the idiot not the community...
I'm sick and tired of you guys talking about being fair to the Muslim community as if it is just political correctness. It is our rights you are trying to trample on, it's a matter far greater than political correctness.
Until you can prove that the other 15,000 Muslims in the military are terrorists in waiting, and so are all the other Muslim Americans, stop trying to blame Muslims for the attack and blame the psycho that did it.
" Political Correctness is tearing apart the fabric of this country."
You guys(conservatives) are so quick to jump to extremes. Every week or every other week thaere is something that is "tearing the fabric" of America.
Sometimes it's the healthcare bill, sometimes it's gun control laws, hate crime laws, enviroment laws, taxes, liberalism, just being a Democrat, just being Obama.
Nothing is tearing the fabric of this nation. Our fabric's made of steel. Relax it's safe.
"I am shocked that you are still trying to defend this guy when this is clearly an act of terrorism"
For the umpteenth time, I am not defend that @$$hole. I am defending all the other Muslims that you want to discriminate against. I can't believe you can't see beyond your hate for Muslims and Islam.
Read all of my comments and my article, I haven't defended the guy once. I have said that some of the things you are pointing to as proof he was a "Muslim terrorist", are really just things that prove he is just a "Muslim", not a terrorist.
That difference needs to be understood by people that have views like you, there are differences between talking about technically what is suicide and what is not, and condoning suicide bombing.
There's a difference between being an extreme violent Muslim and being Muslim.
Muslims like me are targets of the extreme violent Muslims, what makes you think I would support anyone that wants to kill me.
"Barack Obama is sensitive to Muslims and this is why he has distanced himself from the controversy and worst yet, has givena cold shoulder to the families that have been destroyed by this act of terrorism."
Yes he is sensitive to Muslims, and he should be. That's not a bad thing, why is that a bad thing, because you want him not to be?
It's not political correctness, it's being the President of Muslims in AMerica as well. There are a crapload of us in the country. We vote. We voted for him. He better be sensitive to our needs as well. We didn't kill those people in Fort Hood. Hasan probably(still gotta say probably because it's not official yet) did. He's to blame, blame him and leave me out of it.
The Muslim community didn't commit this crime, one idiot did. Punish the idiot not the community...
I'm sick and tired of you guys talking about being fair to the Muslim community as if it is just political correctness. It is our rights you are trying to trample on, it's a matter far greater than political correctness.
Until you can prove that the other 15,000 Muslims in the military are terrorists in waiting, and so are all the other Muslim Americans, stop trying to blame Muslims for the attack and blame the psycho that did it.
" Political Correctness is tearing apart the fabric of this country."
You guys(conservatives) are so quick to jump to extremes. Every week or every other week thaere is something that is "tearing the fabric" of America.
Sometimes it's the healthcare bill, sometimes it's gun control laws, hate crime laws, enviroment laws, taxes, liberalism, just being a Democrat, just being Obama.
Nothing is tearing the fabric of this nation. Our fabric's made of steel. Relax it's safe.
No one made that man go and shoot those people. His fanatical beliefs did that. There is nothing that I or anyone else could do to keep people from being insane! The president does not need to be sensitive to the radical extremes of any religion.
Antonia,
At last check, I still live in America and I still have Freedom of Speech. Opinion pieces are just that, opinion pieces.
I am sure you would have preferred that I praised Obama, but I still need something to praise him about.
I can sleep at nigh knowing that political correctness does not control or distort my ability to give anyone a pass because I will be considered a "Pseudo-Christian".
At last check, I still live in America and I still have Freedom of Speech. Opinion pieces are just that, opinion pieces.
I am sure you would have preferred that I praised Obama, but I still need something to praise him about.
I can sleep at nigh knowing that political correctness does not control or distort my ability to give anyone a pass because I will be considered a "Pseudo-Christian".
"I have said that some of the things you are pointing to as proof he was a "Muslim terrorist", are really just things that prove he is just a "Muslim", not a terrorist."
Thank you!!!!!!!
And thank you for everything you have said in response to this inane pseudo-Christian inspired BS of an article.
Yes, you read that right. "Pseudo-Christian." Because Christians who actually practice their faith typically aren't bigots.
Thank you!!!!!!!
And thank you for everything you have said in response to this inane pseudo-Christian inspired BS of an article.
Yes, you read that right. "Pseudo-Christian." Because Christians who actually practice their faith typically aren't bigots.
blackwidow,
There are Muslims in AMerica, Americans that are Muslims, and so you are making my point, "Obama should be sensitive to EVERY american", including Muslims.
he needs to be sensitive to the VICTIMS."
he sure does, and he needs to make sure he doesn't do anything that will make more victims.
There are Muslims in AMerica, Americans that are Muslims, and so you are making my point, "Obama should be sensitive to EVERY american", including Muslims.
he needs to be sensitive to the VICTIMS."
he sure does, and he needs to make sure he doesn't do anything that will make more victims.
"Barack Obama is sensitive to Muslims and this is why he has distanced himself from the controversy and worst yet, has givena cold shoulder to the families that have been destroyed by this act of terrorism."
What is this BS???
Obama should be sensitive to EVERY american. Not just muslims and when a tragedy like this happens he needs to be sensitive to the VICTIMS.
What is this BS???
Obama should be sensitive to EVERY american. Not just muslims and when a tragedy like this happens he needs to be sensitive to the VICTIMS.
ektar,
This General Casey should be fired on the spot. Under his watch and incompetence, over fifty families have suffered the worst act domestic terrorism since 9/11. All the warning signs were there for this guy Hasan to be fired or discharges. he chose to give in to political correctness and in the process now tries to spin this as collateral damage from being a diverse nation.
This better not be swept under the rug at the bequest of our President. His lack of fortitude to be able to at least send a strong disapproval of these terrorists acts on our men & women in the military is very telling. Expect more of these cowardly acts as Muslim fanatics continue to be emboldened by the appearance weaknees fronm our president.
This General Casey should be fired on the spot. Under his watch and incompetence, over fifty families have suffered the worst act domestic terrorism since 9/11. All the warning signs were there for this guy Hasan to be fired or discharges. he chose to give in to political correctness and in the process now tries to spin this as collateral damage from being a diverse nation.
This better not be swept under the rug at the bequest of our President. His lack of fortitude to be able to at least send a strong disapproval of these terrorists acts on our men & women in the military is very telling. Expect more of these cowardly acts as Muslim fanatics continue to be emboldened by the appearance weaknees fronm our president.
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Doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all. I am fed up with Islam. When will the USA and the rest of the world realize that the only factor that is preventing world peace is Islam? The time to stand up against Islam is right now or many more Muslims living within the USA will be emboldened to carry out the Islamic tenets of jihad just like the Ft. Hood killer, like the army officer that killed a recruiter in Little Rock, and just like the Beltway sniper who will be filled with calcium carbide as his final injection.
Ahol88 wrote: "Doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all."
Bullsh*t. That's the attitude that got us bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, and it's the typical knee-jerk, reactionary approach of people who want to simplify complex issues.
What should we do? What kind of "stand" should we take against Islam? Maybe we should take a stand against crime and criminals and leave religion out of it. How many millions of American Muslims are angry and grieving over this shooting? Just about all of them, I would suppose.
Should we take a stand against other religions when their members happen to go on shooting sprees. I would like to see a rundown of all the self-proclaimed "Christians" who went on shoot-em-up sprees at various churches over the last decade. Should we take a stand against Christians because of this?
It's time for some perspective on this matter, and making shrill statements like the one you opened your comment with only adds fuel to the fire. This is a serious matter and requires serious thought, not the shoot-first, ask-questions-later mentality of the previous administration.
Bullsh*t. That's the attitude that got us bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, and it's the typical knee-jerk, reactionary approach of people who want to simplify complex issues.
What should we do? What kind of "stand" should we take against Islam? Maybe we should take a stand against crime and criminals and leave religion out of it. How many millions of American Muslims are angry and grieving over this shooting? Just about all of them, I would suppose.
Should we take a stand against other religions when their members happen to go on shooting sprees. I would like to see a rundown of all the self-proclaimed "Christians" who went on shoot-em-up sprees at various churches over the last decade. Should we take a stand against Christians because of this?
It's time for some perspective on this matter, and making shrill statements like the one you opened your comment with only adds fuel to the fire. This is a serious matter and requires serious thought, not the shoot-first, ask-questions-later mentality of the previous administration.
Punditty,
What kind of Stand should we take against Islam? The same stands that led to tighter airport security may be a start. Allow our military the chance to protect themselves. Deport anyone suspected of having any contradictions about our mission in afghanistan & Iraq. If there are Muslims in our military sympathizing with the struggles of Muslims, call them out on it. Question them. Let them know, maybe this isn't for them.
Maybe, just maybe if we weren't being so sympathetic and politically correct, those 13 soldiers may have gotten a chance to spend the holidays with their families.
The problem is that no one in this WH or the Left for that matter of fact that has any cojones. They allow our troops and servicemen & women to continue to get beat to the punch because we are afraid to offend the Muslim community.
1166 days till November 2012 elections.
What kind of Stand should we take against Islam? The same stands that led to tighter airport security may be a start. Allow our military the chance to protect themselves. Deport anyone suspected of having any contradictions about our mission in afghanistan & Iraq. If there are Muslims in our military sympathizing with the struggles of Muslims, call them out on it. Question them. Let them know, maybe this isn't for them.
Maybe, just maybe if we weren't being so sympathetic and politically correct, those 13 soldiers may have gotten a chance to spend the holidays with their families.
The problem is that no one in this WH or the Left for that matter of fact that has any cojones. They allow our troops and servicemen & women to continue to get beat to the punch because we are afraid to offend the Muslim community.
1166 days till November 2012 elections.
"Deport anyone suspected of having any contradictions about our mission in afghanistan & Iraq."
Deport them where?
Where are you going to deport us to?
You keep thinking that all Muslims are immigrants. Hasan was born in Virginia.
"If there are Muslims in our military sympathizing with the struggles of Muslims, call them out on it"
Are you kidding me? You gonna treat the other religions like that?
Deport them where?
Where are you going to deport us to?
You keep thinking that all Muslims are immigrants. Hasan was born in Virginia.
"If there are Muslims in our military sympathizing with the struggles of Muslims, call them out on it"
Are you kidding me? You gonna treat the other religions like that?
Punditty,
Try explaining that to the families of the victims at Fort Hood and the NYC Twin Towers....
How much longer should we be prudent? 10 more deaths, 100, 1000? What price should American families have to endure?
I think you are misunderstanding my stance. All I am saying is, let's not be afaraid to call a spade a spade. We all know that all Muslims are not fanatics. We all know that many are loyal law abiding, hard working individuals. But we also knwo that there is an element in their community that is intent on causing harm to you and me as well. What is so wrong with simply saying that Anyone committing violent acts against our troops will be called called regardless of whether they are white, black, Asian, latino or Muslim. What is wrong with saying, Muslim violence against our troops will not be tolerated. What is wrong with saying that part of the war we are fighting is against a segment of the Muslim community. Can we be real for one moment.
Had it been a Christian who targeted a group of Muslim soldiers and slaughtered them in the name of God, we would never hear the end of it.
Where is the sorrow and the well wishes from Imams around the world? Where is the disgrace coming from Muslims?
If this is not a Muslim fanatic committing terror, then where are the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the world crying hate crime? After all wasn't it a Muslim killing members of the White and Hispanic race? Anyway you slice this, it comes back to the unwillingness of this noodle spined administration to forgo political correctness at the expense of having tragedy strike more than 50 American families.
if you want to defend this, take your case to those families, you aree not going to convince me.
Try explaining that to the families of the victims at Fort Hood and the NYC Twin Towers....
How much longer should we be prudent? 10 more deaths, 100, 1000? What price should American families have to endure?
I think you are misunderstanding my stance. All I am saying is, let's not be afaraid to call a spade a spade. We all know that all Muslims are not fanatics. We all know that many are loyal law abiding, hard working individuals. But we also knwo that there is an element in their community that is intent on causing harm to you and me as well. What is so wrong with simply saying that Anyone committing violent acts against our troops will be called called regardless of whether they are white, black, Asian, latino or Muslim. What is wrong with saying, Muslim violence against our troops will not be tolerated. What is wrong with saying that part of the war we are fighting is against a segment of the Muslim community. Can we be real for one moment.
Had it been a Christian who targeted a group of Muslim soldiers and slaughtered them in the name of God, we would never hear the end of it.
Where is the sorrow and the well wishes from Imams around the world? Where is the disgrace coming from Muslims?
If this is not a Muslim fanatic committing terror, then where are the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the world crying hate crime? After all wasn't it a Muslim killing members of the White and Hispanic race? Anyway you slice this, it comes back to the unwillingness of this noodle spined administration to forgo political correctness at the expense of having tragedy strike more than 50 American families.
if you want to defend this, take your case to those families, you aree not going to convince me.
ahol88,
Thx 4 checking in.
We have to bear in mind that these acts seem to be carried out by an extreme faction. Islamic Extremists. There are many law abiding Muslims that contribute positively and have no problems with America or western culture. For that portion of Muslims that still see america and the West as theri enemy, we must stand up to them and come down hard on them. Call them out. No pussyfooting around the issue. We can't continue to hide behind political correctness when innocent people are being hurt and families destroyed. Muslims should be more vocal & forceful in theri condemnation of these acts. Simple 2 line generic opologies do not cut it.
Thx 4 checking in.
We have to bear in mind that these acts seem to be carried out by an extreme faction. Islamic Extremists. There are many law abiding Muslims that contribute positively and have no problems with America or western culture. For that portion of Muslims that still see america and the West as theri enemy, we must stand up to them and come down hard on them. Call them out. No pussyfooting around the issue. We can't continue to hide behind political correctness when innocent people are being hurt and families destroyed. Muslims should be more vocal & forceful in theri condemnation of these acts. Simple 2 line generic opologies do not cut it.
This is the reason why Muslims attempt to keep Islam shrouded in secrecy. The thing that Muslims do not tell the masses is that all Muslims are supposed to be extremist according to the Qu'ran. My cousin is Muslim so I have done plenty of reading of Islamic texts to try to show him how idiotic the brainwashing of the Koran really is. All Muslims are required to kill as many non-believers as possible so that their reward in paradise will be greater. The mediocre masses of the USA still don't get it. Islam is intended to be radical.
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I agree with Red that Obama is cold and disrespected the families with his handling of this crisis.
I also agree that George Bush was an empathetic President and as far removed from cold as possible.
I also agree that Bush strayed from conservative pricinples which is why many of us found issue with his Presidency as well as liberals.
I also agree that some people are way too quick to point fingers at Bush when the problem is across the board with all President's because they've ruined the establishment.
What I most agree with is the fact that this WAS an act of terrorism and should have been acknowleged as so from the very beginning. I agree it wasn't called that because Obama has two major issues - one, he was afraid of ostracizing the Muslim population who would have viewed his calling it a terrorist act an assault on Muslims (which to me is absured...I am 100% Irish and I have absolutely NO problem saying that if a member of the IRA killed and wonded as many British soldiers that it would indeed be a terrorist act) Second, I think it's assinine that he can't call it for what it is EVEN now after it's coming out he had ties to radicals. WHO GIVES A S*IT WHO HE WAS - He was a terrorist.
I have never said Obama needs to make a speech bashing Muslims - that's assinine too. OBAMA needs to acknowledge we ARE still in a war against terror and terrorist acts should not be tolerated and if we knew that someone was communicating with radical Islam - we should have persued it ...not worried if it was politically incorrect to upset a few for arresting a man who eventually did exactly what he did.
Same thing in NYC- They arrested a man based on evidence intelligence collected PRIOR to his assault - THIS should have been the way Fort Hood ended - with all these people still alive and that man behind bars.
I agree with Red's comments fully - we're not protecting this nation - Obama is NOT protecting this nation and he's cold and he doesn't care and I'm not afraid to say it anymore. He's a photo-opportunist and that's all.
I do not believe that Muslims are evil. I don't believe Jews are evil, I don't believe Brits, the French, or any ONE is evil - but if someone DOES act in a manner that is consistant with terrorism.... political correctness must go away. Obama doesn't have the balls to call people on the carpet for their actions.
He doesn't defend he apologizes.
I also agree that George Bush was an empathetic President and as far removed from cold as possible.
I also agree that Bush strayed from conservative pricinples which is why many of us found issue with his Presidency as well as liberals.
I also agree that some people are way too quick to point fingers at Bush when the problem is across the board with all President's because they've ruined the establishment.
What I most agree with is the fact that this WAS an act of terrorism and should have been acknowleged as so from the very beginning. I agree it wasn't called that because Obama has two major issues - one, he was afraid of ostracizing the Muslim population who would have viewed his calling it a terrorist act an assault on Muslims (which to me is absured...I am 100% Irish and I have absolutely NO problem saying that if a member of the IRA killed and wonded as many British soldiers that it would indeed be a terrorist act) Second, I think it's assinine that he can't call it for what it is EVEN now after it's coming out he had ties to radicals. WHO GIVES A S*IT WHO HE WAS - He was a terrorist.
I have never said Obama needs to make a speech bashing Muslims - that's assinine too. OBAMA needs to acknowledge we ARE still in a war against terror and terrorist acts should not be tolerated and if we knew that someone was communicating with radical Islam - we should have persued it ...not worried if it was politically incorrect to upset a few for arresting a man who eventually did exactly what he did.
Same thing in NYC- They arrested a man based on evidence intelligence collected PRIOR to his assault - THIS should have been the way Fort Hood ended - with all these people still alive and that man behind bars.
I agree with Red's comments fully - we're not protecting this nation - Obama is NOT protecting this nation and he's cold and he doesn't care and I'm not afraid to say it anymore. He's a photo-opportunist and that's all.
I do not believe that Muslims are evil. I don't believe Jews are evil, I don't believe Brits, the French, or any ONE is evil - but if someone DOES act in a manner that is consistant with terrorism.... political correctness must go away. Obama doesn't have the balls to call people on the carpet for their actions.
He doesn't defend he apologizes.
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.
oooookay,
Red, wants all Muslims to be put on notice, all Muslims to be threatened by the powers that be.
"What I most agree with is the fact that this WAS an act of terrorism and should have been acknowleged as so from the very beginning. I agree it wasn't called that because Obama has two major issues - one, he was afraid of ostracizing the Muslim population who would have viewed his calling it a terrorist act an assault on Muslims"
Calling this a terrorist attack when there isn't enough information to classify it as a terrorist attack is just plain stupid.
What's the evidence that this is a terrorist attack?
Here's the FBI's definition of terrorism:
Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Now depending on how you interpret that definition this may be terrorism.
But where was the outrage of speaking out against Christian terrorism.
Why aren't you guys going crazy trying to label abortion bombings and burnings and murdering, and other mass murdering as Christian terrorism. Why didn't you go crazy calling Obama's "political correctness" when dude shot up synagogues, holocaust museums, burn black churches, shoot up Mosques.
Why do you want Obama to condeemn the person as a terrorist when he's a Muslim, and just a mass murderer when he's a Christian?
Why the double standard?
Until you start calling out Christian and Jewish and other terrorists when they attack, I want the same treatment when it's a Muslim attacker.
We still have not determined if this was terrorism, the investigation is still underway, If this was a Muslim terrorist or a Muslim Mass murderer.
Red, wants all Muslims to be put on notice, all Muslims to be threatened by the powers that be.
"What I most agree with is the fact that this WAS an act of terrorism and should have been acknowleged as so from the very beginning. I agree it wasn't called that because Obama has two major issues - one, he was afraid of ostracizing the Muslim population who would have viewed his calling it a terrorist act an assault on Muslims"
Calling this a terrorist attack when there isn't enough information to classify it as a terrorist attack is just plain stupid.
What's the evidence that this is a terrorist attack?
Here's the FBI's definition of terrorism:
Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Now depending on how you interpret that definition this may be terrorism.
But where was the outrage of speaking out against Christian terrorism.
Why aren't you guys going crazy trying to label abortion bombings and burnings and murdering, and other mass murdering as Christian terrorism. Why didn't you go crazy calling Obama's "political correctness" when dude shot up synagogues, holocaust museums, burn black churches, shoot up Mosques.
Why do you want Obama to condeemn the person as a terrorist when he's a Muslim, and just a mass murderer when he's a Christian?
Why the double standard?
Until you start calling out Christian and Jewish and other terrorists when they attack, I want the same treatment when it's a Muslim attacker.
We still have not determined if this was terrorism, the investigation is still underway, If this was a Muslim terrorist or a Muslim Mass murderer.
Bush had 8 years to become a disaster. Mr. Obama is 10 months in and already has shortcomings? Don't you mean a long list of issues that have caused his favorability to plummet?
It must be those darn hard core conservatives. Why won't they just SHUT UP??? Oh, that's right - they don't have to.
At 10 months in Bush was one of the most popular President's in history.
It must be those darn hard core conservatives. Why won't they just SHUT UP??? Oh, that's right - they don't have to.
At 10 months in Bush was one of the most popular President's in history.
Yeah and at ten months into his presidency he also let the biggest terrorist attack ever on the soil of our nation to occur, even though he had warning from the FBI and other sources a month before it was going to happen.
Right before the three week vacation he went on.
And the only reason his popularity was as high as it was is because WE decided to get revenge for 9/11 and were going to back up any President that would have been in office.
Right before the three week vacation he went on.
And the only reason his popularity was as high as it was is because WE decided to get revenge for 9/11 and were going to back up any President that would have been in office.
How many terrorists attacks happened on Clintons watch? Or does it only matter by how many die?
You are so sided - you're saying that about Bush when Clinton knew this for HOW MANY years?... Oh, and the intelligence agency had information on this guy too - ignored it.
I think any act of violence where people kill a group for a specific reason or target as terrorism. By the way - that's why I gave the IRA example.
You're defending this guy ONLY because he is Muslim.
Red is saying it doesn't matter race or religion...and it didn't matter that he was Muslim - it was terrorism.
I think any act of violence where people kill a group for a specific reason or target as terrorism. By the way - that's why I gave the IRA example.
You're defending this guy ONLY because he is Muslim.
Red is saying it doesn't matter race or religion...and it didn't matter that he was Muslim - it was terrorism.
W4L,
Just to clarify as well, I never said Obama should bash Muslims. It just so happens that in this case the guy happened to be Muslim. And if this is the case he should treat them the same way if it had been a Christian, Jew, White , Black or whatever. THe point I am trying to make is that when it comes to acts of violence or terrorism, political correctness needs to be left at the door.
It is frustrating to listen to all the mainstream media sugarcoat this story and not even ask the relevant questions. Who cares about hurting someone's feelings at a time like this. People should feel angry. THey should feel betrayed and with good reason. Our militiary hierarchy was put in a position where he may have failed to this his job for fear of being called a bigot. He failed to turn in someone who happened to be Muslim because of the potential backlash he might have gotten from his own Army.
It is time to kiss Political Correctness bye-bye and start giving a damn about about our own men & women who put their damned lives at stake for everyone, including Muslims, Latinos, Asians, and all foreigners.
Just to clarify as well, I never said Obama should bash Muslims. It just so happens that in this case the guy happened to be Muslim. And if this is the case he should treat them the same way if it had been a Christian, Jew, White , Black or whatever. THe point I am trying to make is that when it comes to acts of violence or terrorism, political correctness needs to be left at the door.
It is frustrating to listen to all the mainstream media sugarcoat this story and not even ask the relevant questions. Who cares about hurting someone's feelings at a time like this. People should feel angry. THey should feel betrayed and with good reason. Our militiary hierarchy was put in a position where he may have failed to this his job for fear of being called a bigot. He failed to turn in someone who happened to be Muslim because of the potential backlash he might have gotten from his own Army.
It is time to kiss Political Correctness bye-bye and start giving a damn about about our own men & women who put their damned lives at stake for everyone, including Muslims, Latinos, Asians, and all foreigners.
NOW you want accountability after NO ONE, not one official, was held accountable for 9/11? Please.
And who are "these terrorists"? Can you count? There was one twisted individual who is alive and will most certainly be getting questioned.
To lay this at Obama's feet, or to whine about how he isn't as empathetic as Bush is childish at best and disrespects our troops in uniform at worst by instilling the expectation of more heinous acts based on YOUR selfish interpretation of how YOU want the president to act. And I thought conservatives were supposed to value personal responsibility.
It's time to get real and support the troops, not attack Obama for political gain. What do you want him to do - eject all Muslims from the Armed Forces? I hope I am wrong about that, but it sure sounds like it.
These are very difficult times. President Obama not only faces violent enemies abroad but snarky, selectively informed ones at home, too, at least judging from some of the harsh and way over-the-top comments from critics on the right.
Don't you get it, man? This is NOT a political issue! This is about the very integrity of the U.S. military and how to best proceed with unit cohesion across the board given the realities emerging from the tragic situation at Fort Hood.
Prayers are in order, as are appeals to reason and justice, not reactionary fingerpointing and scapegoating. This is a developing situation and must be taken one prudent step at a time.
It is apparent that a lot of people who are trying to politicize this don't understand the gravity of the situation.
And who are "these terrorists"? Can you count? There was one twisted individual who is alive and will most certainly be getting questioned.
To lay this at Obama's feet, or to whine about how he isn't as empathetic as Bush is childish at best and disrespects our troops in uniform at worst by instilling the expectation of more heinous acts based on YOUR selfish interpretation of how YOU want the president to act. And I thought conservatives were supposed to value personal responsibility.
It's time to get real and support the troops, not attack Obama for political gain. What do you want him to do - eject all Muslims from the Armed Forces? I hope I am wrong about that, but it sure sounds like it.
These are very difficult times. President Obama not only faces violent enemies abroad but snarky, selectively informed ones at home, too, at least judging from some of the harsh and way over-the-top comments from critics on the right.
Don't you get it, man? This is NOT a political issue! This is about the very integrity of the U.S. military and how to best proceed with unit cohesion across the board given the realities emerging from the tragic situation at Fort Hood.
Prayers are in order, as are appeals to reason and justice, not reactionary fingerpointing and scapegoating. This is a developing situation and must be taken one prudent step at a time.
It is apparent that a lot of people who are trying to politicize this don't understand the gravity of the situation.
Punditty,
I disagree.
1. which officials would you like to be held accountable?
2. I said Terrorists. I can count. It looks like he was taking orders from someone else.
3. No one is attacking Obama for Political gain, he is theone playing politics with their lives. He is too worried about backlash from the Left and his Healthcare Bill that he would rather see our young men & women die for the sake of appeasing the left.
4. I want to have the spine to stop pussyfooting around and if it means expelling those that have any contradiction at all with our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq, yes eject them all.
5. A lot of the anomosity towards him he has brought on himself. He was supposed to have been the uniter, the transparent one. He has done nothing but divide this country with his chippy attitude. He has not kept his end of the bargain. George Bush was flogged for 7 years and is still being bashed. My advice to Obama, suck it up and get to work.
6. If you don't think that the shooting spree inside the biggest military installation in the US is not symbolic you are not paying attention.
Let's not cut corners here. The war on terror has now bled into our military installations and this Presdient better be ready to take it on or we will continue to see alot more Fort Hood's.
I disagree.
1. which officials would you like to be held accountable?
2. I said Terrorists. I can count. It looks like he was taking orders from someone else.
3. No one is attacking Obama for Political gain, he is theone playing politics with their lives. He is too worried about backlash from the Left and his Healthcare Bill that he would rather see our young men & women die for the sake of appeasing the left.
4. I want to have the spine to stop pussyfooting around and if it means expelling those that have any contradiction at all with our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq, yes eject them all.
5. A lot of the anomosity towards him he has brought on himself. He was supposed to have been the uniter, the transparent one. He has done nothing but divide this country with his chippy attitude. He has not kept his end of the bargain. George Bush was flogged for 7 years and is still being bashed. My advice to Obama, suck it up and get to work.
6. If you don't think that the shooting spree inside the biggest military installation in the US is not symbolic you are not paying attention.
Let's not cut corners here. The war on terror has now bled into our military installations and this Presdient better be ready to take it on or we will continue to see alot more Fort Hood's.
wow i cant believe this happened
Personally, I think that Obama has done a much better job than people give him credit for. He does his job during times of crisis while keeping a level head. One issue I saw in the article is how "The George Bush we came to know would have been at Fort Hood that very next day after the tragedy to console, hug, embrace and perhaps even shed a tear or two with the families of the victims." B.S. If Bush had even made an appearance, it would have taken an act of God. Obama went to Fort Hood once the political red tape had settled. Expecting him to be there the next day is completely unrealistic and juvenile. It's like saying that a reporter should show up to the scene of a terrible accident while they are carrying away the remains of the accident victims. The military had to go through a massive series of investigations to ensure that there was no further danger expected.
I found the article very unsupported. It doesn't take much to talk about a topic that one has no involvement in. If you want to talk about how things are in the military, but have never served, then don't write about it because you don't have the slightest clue.
In conclusion, I will continue to support Obama unless he makes a choice or decision that is WORTH complaining about.
I found the article very unsupported. It doesn't take much to talk about a topic that one has no involvement in. If you want to talk about how things are in the military, but have never served, then don't write about it because you don't have the slightest clue.
In conclusion, I will continue to support Obama unless he makes a choice or decision that is WORTH complaining about.
seiryuu81486,
I want to correct you. I have served my country under the leadership of Mr. Ronald Reagan so I know a little about the military.
Secondly, you remember an incident called 9/11? How long did it take Goerge to get there? Look it up and get back to me.
You are missing the point. George Bush was and is one of the most popular Commanders-in-Chief ever. Our troops loved George Bush becasue he was genuine. He showed his true emotions. Obama for the most part is an enigma. He is detached and distant. He thumbs his nose at you and everyone else because you have made him into a rock star instead of holding him accountable.
If you haven't taken notice of Obama's failures yet, I think you will be supporting Obama for a long time to come.
Mark your calendar,
1166 days till election day Nov 2012
I want to correct you. I have served my country under the leadership of Mr. Ronald Reagan so I know a little about the military.
Secondly, you remember an incident called 9/11? How long did it take Goerge to get there? Look it up and get back to me.
You are missing the point. George Bush was and is one of the most popular Commanders-in-Chief ever. Our troops loved George Bush becasue he was genuine. He showed his true emotions. Obama for the most part is an enigma. He is detached and distant. He thumbs his nose at you and everyone else because you have made him into a rock star instead of holding him accountable.
If you haven't taken notice of Obama's failures yet, I think you will be supporting Obama for a long time to come.
Mark your calendar,
1166 days till election day Nov 2012
"If Bush had even made an appearance, it would have taken an act of God. Obama went to Fort Hood once the political red tape had settled. Expecting him to be there the next day is completely unrealistic and juvenile."
Now THIS is just ignorant. The President is not a reporter he is the Commander in Chief and this was a military base,...AND George Bush DID go. That's not even in debate.\\
Blind support. Brilliant.
Now THIS is just ignorant. The President is not a reporter he is the Commander in Chief and this was a military base,...AND George Bush DID go. That's not even in debate.\\
Blind support. Brilliant.
Yup - that's exactly what I am implying. Bush may have been one of THE most fiscally irresponsible Presidents EVER (Obama is blowing his socks off though) but he had a definite rapport with the military.
“The George Bush we came to know would have been at Fort Hood that very next day after the tragedy to console, hug, embrace and perhaps even shed a tear or two with the families of the victims. He would have been at the Base to uplift and console and perhaps offer a few tough words.”
What right does Bush have to console anyone? He sent our troops off to Iraq based on “evidence” fabricated at the behest of those who were determined to invade Iraq, and the result has caused incalculable damage to our country in terms of blood, treasure, and reputation, while making al Qaeda very happy. Tough words? Like “Bring it on?”
“[Obama] will not hesitate to denounce dissent or opposing points of views …”
Really? Denounce? If you are referring to his observations about Fox News, what was inaccurate about what he said?
They are essentially a video outlet for conservative talk radio, encouraging protests against Obama's healthcare proposals last summer, pressuring some controversial Obama advisers to resign, and trying to create the impression that angry anti-Obama protesters at congressional town hall meetings last summer meant that Obama's healthcare proposals were dead in the water, an utter fabrication given that the majority of Americans consistently favor the fundamentals of his proposals which include the public option. And these are just a few examples of their unfair and unbalanced reporting.
So if President Obama says clearly and unequivocally he recognizes Fox News’ bias, how is that denouncing them? He only stated the facts of the matter.
“The difference between Obama and Bush. One vaccilates, the other acts. One thinks, the other decides.”
Perhaps if Bush had thought a little more, he wouldn’t have sent our troops into Iraq.
What right does Bush have to console anyone? He sent our troops off to Iraq based on “evidence” fabricated at the behest of those who were determined to invade Iraq, and the result has caused incalculable damage to our country in terms of blood, treasure, and reputation, while making al Qaeda very happy. Tough words? Like “Bring it on?”
“[Obama] will not hesitate to denounce dissent or opposing points of views …”
Really? Denounce? If you are referring to his observations about Fox News, what was inaccurate about what he said?
They are essentially a video outlet for conservative talk radio, encouraging protests against Obama's healthcare proposals last summer, pressuring some controversial Obama advisers to resign, and trying to create the impression that angry anti-Obama protesters at congressional town hall meetings last summer meant that Obama's healthcare proposals were dead in the water, an utter fabrication given that the majority of Americans consistently favor the fundamentals of his proposals which include the public option. And these are just a few examples of their unfair and unbalanced reporting.
So if President Obama says clearly and unequivocally he recognizes Fox News’ bias, how is that denouncing them? He only stated the facts of the matter.
“The difference between Obama and Bush. One vaccilates, the other acts. One thinks, the other decides.”
Perhaps if Bush had thought a little more, he wouldn’t have sent our troops into Iraq.
I am fed up with all religion.
Edit: And religion in general is one of the greatest factors in preventing world peace. Not Islam.
Edit: And religion in general is one of the greatest factors in preventing world peace. Not Islam.
No what keeps the world from being peaceful is the "diversity" of our world. There are to many opinions and ideals. Religion is just 1 reason. World peace is a myth.
I thought these posts were news not opinion.
Yes because the president should go to a place where they are SHOOTING at their rescuers.
I remember watching the news and seeing the reports at the time. Do I have any proof? No I wasn't there so basically all there is anywhere is speculation and peoples accounts. Some say it happened and some don't. Who is telling the truth? I don't know. There was for sure looting and general chaos and it was the last place our president should have gone until it was straightened out. That's what I am getting at. Bottom line it is a completely different situation then ft. hood like I said. I wouldn't expect obama to go anywhere he might get shot or harmed and throw our whole country into the chaos of losing our president. My whole point was that it's ridiculous to compare the 2 incidents they were completely different.
"At last check, I still live in America and I still have Freedom of Speech. Opinion pieces are just that, opinion pieces."
Never said you couldn't have your opinion.
"I am sure you would have preferred that I praised Obama, but I still need something to praise him about."
You also don't see me praising Obama. I'm not particularly disapproving of him either. So far, I remain opinionless as far as Obama is concerned. My beef is with the bigotry expressed in your article which yes, you have every right to use and yes, I have every right to disapprove.
Never said you couldn't have your opinion.
"I am sure you would have preferred that I praised Obama, but I still need something to praise him about."
You also don't see me praising Obama. I'm not particularly disapproving of him either. So far, I remain opinionless as far as Obama is concerned. My beef is with the bigotry expressed in your article which yes, you have every right to use and yes, I have every right to disapprove.
Red,
What you write simply isn't true.
You wrote: The problem is that no one in this WH or the Left for that matter of fact that has any cojones. They allow our troops and servicemen & women to continue to get beat to the punch because we are afraid to offend the Muslim community.
What if the reason for being prudent in handling this matter is so that we don't get more violence, not less? Do you want an all-out war on Muslims? A friggin' loyalty test? The cries for "action" against "the Muslim community" are as ugly as it gets without more blood being spilled.
Sounds like you want "hate crime" laws against Muslims simply for being Muslim. There's that vaunted conservative consistency again. Excuse me while I go puke.
You also wrote:
"Deport anyone suspected of having any contradictions about our mission in afghanistan & Iraq. If there are Muslims in our military sympathizing with the struggles of Muslims, call them out on it."
Sounds like you do want a loyalty test. Sounds like you want to create more Islamic radicals by assuming guilt before innocence.
Let me say this loud and clear: No one - left, right or center - takes a backseat to me when it comes to supporting our troops. As a peacetime veteran, I appreciate their sacrifices in times of war far more than I would have had I not served. However, I reserve my First Amendment right to speak out against what I see as a "War of Choice," the war in Iraq and, increasingly, the war in Afghanistan.
All this talk about deporting Muslims and "calling them out" on their faith has a deep undercurrent of ethnic and religious ugliness. If this were 1939 and not 2009, I would expect a lot of people who are thinking along the lines you are thinking to be in attendance at the local pogrom. I hate to sound so harsh, but that seems to be what a lot of reactionary individuals on the right want. I hope and pray it doesn't come to that.
What you write simply isn't true.
You wrote: The problem is that no one in this WH or the Left for that matter of fact that has any cojones. They allow our troops and servicemen & women to continue to get beat to the punch because we are afraid to offend the Muslim community.
What if the reason for being prudent in handling this matter is so that we don't get more violence, not less? Do you want an all-out war on Muslims? A friggin' loyalty test? The cries for "action" against "the Muslim community" are as ugly as it gets without more blood being spilled.
Sounds like you want "hate crime" laws against Muslims simply for being Muslim. There's that vaunted conservative consistency again. Excuse me while I go puke.
You also wrote:
"Deport anyone suspected of having any contradictions about our mission in afghanistan & Iraq. If there are Muslims in our military sympathizing with the struggles of Muslims, call them out on it."
Sounds like you do want a loyalty test. Sounds like you want to create more Islamic radicals by assuming guilt before innocence.
Let me say this loud and clear: No one - left, right or center - takes a backseat to me when it comes to supporting our troops. As a peacetime veteran, I appreciate their sacrifices in times of war far more than I would have had I not served. However, I reserve my First Amendment right to speak out against what I see as a "War of Choice," the war in Iraq and, increasingly, the war in Afghanistan.
All this talk about deporting Muslims and "calling them out" on their faith has a deep undercurrent of ethnic and religious ugliness. If this were 1939 and not 2009, I would expect a lot of people who are thinking along the lines you are thinking to be in attendance at the local pogrom. I hate to sound so harsh, but that seems to be what a lot of reactionary individuals on the right want. I hope and pray it doesn't come to that.
Actually, it was almost a monthlong vacation that Bush took before 9/11/01. He was very good at looking all macho down on his ranch.
Red asked who should have been held accountable for 9/11 - George W. Bush for one. On what grounds? Dereliction of duty. But no. The "political correctness" Red is so upset about prevented a genuine investigation into the 9/11 events (don't EVEN think of citing the 9/11 Commission Report when both co-chairs have spoken extensively about how they were stonewalled by the administration).
Has Red forgotten that Bush waited more than a year to launch a formal probe into 9/11, sham though it was?
Red asked who should have been held accountable for 9/11 - George W. Bush for one. On what grounds? Dereliction of duty. But no. The "political correctness" Red is so upset about prevented a genuine investigation into the 9/11 events (don't EVEN think of citing the 9/11 Commission Report when both co-chairs have spoken extensively about how they were stonewalled by the administration).
Has Red forgotten that Bush waited more than a year to launch a formal probe into 9/11, sham though it was?
To all those people glorifying George Bush's "rapport with the military," you obviously didn't serve in the last 9 years. I didn't either (I served 1984-1990) but I know plenty of people who did. People who started out hardcore Republican and ended up voting for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich in the primaries. People who said Bush was a "monster" or worse. I know WWII veterans who hadn't voted Democratic since 1960 who voted for Barack Obama in 2008. Why? Because Bush acted like a pro wrestler when he told terrorists to "bring it on" in 2003. Because Bush mocked the deaths of U.S. Servicemen and Servicewomen in Iraq when he jokingly looked for WMDs at a White House correspondents' dinner. Because Bush went AWOL when he was in the Air National Guard. Because Bush was an unmitigated disaster. I could go on, but you get the point. Just like a lot of veterans and active-duty military got the point while serving under Bush.
Defend him if you want, but don't delude yourself that he was "popular" with the military. He wasn't, not with the troops who had eyes to see and ears to hear.
Defend him if you want, but don't delude yourself that he was "popular" with the military. He wasn't, not with the troops who had eyes to see and ears to hear.
The funny thing with this is that my husband is a marine recruiter and it was sooo much easier to get people to join under bush. Oh and he has been serving since and been to Iraq 3 times. Yes there are people in the military who hate bush or hate the war just like there are anywhere. Yet he was popular with the military. Your last statement of "He wasn't, not with the troops who had eyes to see and ears to hear" implies that the only members that matter are the ones that agree with your point of view.
Perhaps you aren't aware of the surge in recruitment since President Obama was elected. Here is one account:
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/military.recruitment.economy.2.914405.html
No doubt the state of the economy (another Bush legacy) has something to do with it as recruitment often rises when young people have trouble finding work.
But a more likely reason is Obama's priority on the Al-Qaeda and their Taliban enablers in Afghanistan, in contrast to the Bush administration's determination to invade Iraq regardless of any evidence to support either a connection to 9/11 or WMDs.
Bush's military decisions made the Project for the New American Century and their friends in the defense industry very happy, but they were disastrous for our country, both in the short run and the long run, and it will take a long time to recover from them.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/military.recruitment.economy.2.914405.html
No doubt the state of the economy (another Bush legacy) has something to do with it as recruitment often rises when young people have trouble finding work.
But a more likely reason is Obama's priority on the Al-Qaeda and their Taliban enablers in Afghanistan, in contrast to the Bush administration's determination to invade Iraq regardless of any evidence to support either a connection to 9/11 or WMDs.
Bush's military decisions made the Project for the New American Century and their friends in the defense industry very happy, but they were disastrous for our country, both in the short run and the long run, and it will take a long time to recover from them.
Perhaps you aren't aware that recruiting increased well before Obama became president. Here is one account:
http://www.america.gov/st/peacesec-english/2009/February/20090202163221sjhtrop0.1622583.html&distid=ucs
It's the economy and education. Recruiting is up but it's been on a steady rise for several years now.
http://www.america.gov/st/peacesec-english/2009/February/20090202163221sjhtrop0.1622583.html&distid=ucs
It's the economy and education. Recruiting is up but it's been on a steady rise for several years now.
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The economy has just about everything to do with it.
since september 15, 2002
Punditty - I respectfully disagree. I know several people who served in Iraq and are not at all displeased that Bush was their commander-in chief when they were there and many that are serving now and feeling a little less safe.
All that aside.........Thanks for your service!
All that aside.........Thanks for your service!
Anecdotal evidence is not terribly helpful when it comes to assessing the attitudes of the troops, no matter who is presenting it and regardless of whom they are alleged to favor.
Our troops are loyal to their commander-in-chief no matter how they feel about him, and I'm sure I'm not alone in being whole-heartedly thankful for that!
Our troops are loyal to their commander-in-chief no matter how they feel about him, and I'm sure I'm not alone in being whole-heartedly thankful for that!
So wait your logic means that Obama is responsible for the attacks at ft hood.
antonia,
I think you may be confusing being critical with "bigotry".
To me being critical of someone is a long way from being a bigot. No one should hide behind their ethnicity to try and get special treatment. If people are so intent in being recognized as Americans first, then they need to act like Americans. And that means showing more loyalty, more appreciation, more patriotism and more pride in being American than anything else.
I think you may be confusing being critical with "bigotry".
To me being critical of someone is a long way from being a bigot. No one should hide behind their ethnicity to try and get special treatment. If people are so intent in being recognized as Americans first, then they need to act like Americans. And that means showing more loyalty, more appreciation, more patriotism and more pride in being American than anything else.
The complete and total disaster here is that we are all arguing that is was obama or bush or muslim yada yada..... The thing we should be talking about is what to do about those extreme factions of ANY religion or political views that go and take away the only god given right we truly have and for what?? To make a statement? We should not tolerate this behavior from anyone at anytime.
W4L,
Thanks for your words. I was by no means a soldier in the same sense that men and women in today's Army and National Guard are, but I like to think I did at least a little bit for the country that has given me so many opportunities.
Here's the deal, O fellow denizens of Allvoices. When I saw Red's original report so blatantly politicizing the events at Fort Hood, I got a little steamed. Making this about Obama versus Bush? No! Aaaargghhh! You did your job, Red - you provoked a strong reaction. Kudos.
But I do agree with at least one thing you wrote: "The point I am trying to make is that when it comes to acts of violence or terrorism, political correctness needs to be left at the door."
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. But I think that the eagerness of some on the right to politicize this horrendous tragedy reveals a "political correctness" of their own. In its present state, it is almost single-mindedly focused on attacking Obama for everything. Period.
As far as this incident having deeper connections to an organization that was somehow connected to the killer, that is precisely where we should remain prudent and not jump to conclusions. Let's make sure we know what we know before we mistakenly act on what we don't know but think we do.
Investigate? Absolutely. Prosecute? To the fullest extent of the law, and then some. Get at the Truth? We must. We owe it to every man and woman who puts on the uniform every single day, regardless of whether they are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Pagan, Agnostic, Atheist or a Congregation of One. The Fort Hood shooting investigation must proceed based on facts and solid leads and be not steered by media-driven speculation aimed at inflicting political damage on President Obama. Our nation and the world deserve nothing less.
Thanks for your words. I was by no means a soldier in the same sense that men and women in today's Army and National Guard are, but I like to think I did at least a little bit for the country that has given me so many opportunities.
Here's the deal, O fellow denizens of Allvoices. When I saw Red's original report so blatantly politicizing the events at Fort Hood, I got a little steamed. Making this about Obama versus Bush? No! Aaaargghhh! You did your job, Red - you provoked a strong reaction. Kudos.
But I do agree with at least one thing you wrote: "The point I am trying to make is that when it comes to acts of violence or terrorism, political correctness needs to be left at the door."
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. But I think that the eagerness of some on the right to politicize this horrendous tragedy reveals a "political correctness" of their own. In its present state, it is almost single-mindedly focused on attacking Obama for everything. Period.
As far as this incident having deeper connections to an organization that was somehow connected to the killer, that is precisely where we should remain prudent and not jump to conclusions. Let's make sure we know what we know before we mistakenly act on what we don't know but think we do.
Investigate? Absolutely. Prosecute? To the fullest extent of the law, and then some. Get at the Truth? We must. We owe it to every man and woman who puts on the uniform every single day, regardless of whether they are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Pagan, Agnostic, Atheist or a Congregation of One. The Fort Hood shooting investigation must proceed based on facts and solid leads and be not steered by media-driven speculation aimed at inflicting political damage on President Obama. Our nation and the world deserve nothing less.
I am wondering if you are having any kind of change of heart since you first wrote this hasty and ill-conceived post.
As more and more information emerges about this killer at Fort Hood, it is clear he was a deeply troubled individual who himself was in need of psychiatric care.
Of course you are entitled to dislike President Obama, and nobody is saying otherwise. But you might consider basing your dislike on actual facts instead of projecting your fears on him.
After all, most of what you wrote is based on your unsupported contention that he favors Muslims, something which is clearly untrue. He is concerned with all Americans.
If you are truly worried about religious fanatics, consider all the violent acts of terror committed by Christians such as Eric Klebold or the Ku Klux Klan.
As more and more information emerges about this killer at Fort Hood, it is clear he was a deeply troubled individual who himself was in need of psychiatric care.
Of course you are entitled to dislike President Obama, and nobody is saying otherwise. But you might consider basing your dislike on actual facts instead of projecting your fears on him.
After all, most of what you wrote is based on your unsupported contention that he favors Muslims, something which is clearly untrue. He is concerned with all Americans.
If you are truly worried about religious fanatics, consider all the violent acts of terror committed by Christians such as Eric Klebold or the Ku Klux Klan.
When Obama gave a "shout out" before he even mentioned the tragedy at FT Hood it told me just how cold and distant he really is. He said something about what happened as an after thought. That is totally unacceptable for ANY president.
Was the shooter troubled?? I have no doubt! All terrorists are. They all have something wrong with their brains to think it's ok to go shoot or blow up innocent people. Does that mean they aren't terrorists??? Hell no! Anyone that goes and kills a large number of people to further their political or religious views is a terrorist and crazy!
Any christian TERRORIST is just as bad! There have been plenty. We as people shouldn't put up with this behavior it should not be accepted or defended in ANY religion!
Was the shooter troubled?? I have no doubt! All terrorists are. They all have something wrong with their brains to think it's ok to go shoot or blow up innocent people. Does that mean they aren't terrorists??? Hell no! Anyone that goes and kills a large number of people to further their political or religious views is a terrorist and crazy!
Any christian TERRORIST is just as bad! There have been plenty. We as people shouldn't put up with this behavior it should not be accepted or defended in ANY religion!
I don't know what you mean by this:
"Obama gave a "shout out" before he even mentioned the tragedy at FT Hood [...] He said something about what happened as an after thought."
To what are you referring?
I pay close attention to the news which I get from a variety of sources, and I don't understand the accusations of "cold" and "distant," either from you or from the poster of the opinion piece to which we are replying.
Lack of hysteria is not the same thing as "cold" or "distant." I expect my president to maintain his objectivity. He has unimaginably difficult decisions to make every day, and at times of national emergency it is even more important to remain calm.
It is crucial to make sure one has as many facts as possible at one's disposal before saying something that could have terrible repercussions if one is wrong.
"Obama gave a "shout out" before he even mentioned the tragedy at FT Hood [...] He said something about what happened as an after thought."
To what are you referring?
I pay close attention to the news which I get from a variety of sources, and I don't understand the accusations of "cold" and "distant," either from you or from the poster of the opinion piece to which we are replying.
Lack of hysteria is not the same thing as "cold" or "distant." I expect my president to maintain his objectivity. He has unimaginably difficult decisions to make every day, and at times of national emergency it is even more important to remain calm.
It is crucial to make sure one has as many facts as possible at one's disposal before saying something that could have terrible repercussions if one is wrong.
There was a lack of hysteria from everything I watched that day. There was horror and shock but no hysteria. The fact that it took the end of his little speech to even acknowledge the shootings was ridiculous. The fact that he was laughing and joking when he is supposed to be talking about the tragedy is UNACCEPTABLE! Those men and women made a pledge to him to show him their respect and loyalty yet he could not even show them the respect they deserve to speak about them first and in a serious manner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYldhOp1p34
This was his first address to the tragedy
This was his first address to the tragedy
JBL55,
No change of heart. As a matter of fact I am more convinced now that this was an act of terror.
I don't dislike Presdient Obama, I just don't agree with his policies. Is that a crime I don't know about yet?
Obama has a soft side for Muslims, his father was Muslim and so he will always be very careful as to how he Chooses his words to against the Muslim Community.
THis is not me worrying about religious fanatics , this is about the safety of Americans at the expense of political correctness and narcissism.
In typical fashion, I see how you have been spoon fed the mainstream media company line and taken hook line and sinker.
I stand by my opinions. 67% of Americans agree with me on this one.
No change of heart. As a matter of fact I am more convinced now that this was an act of terror.
I don't dislike Presdient Obama, I just don't agree with his policies. Is that a crime I don't know about yet?
Obama has a soft side for Muslims, his father was Muslim and so he will always be very careful as to how he Chooses his words to against the Muslim Community.
THis is not me worrying about religious fanatics , this is about the safety of Americans at the expense of political correctness and narcissism.
In typical fashion, I see how you have been spoon fed the mainstream media company line and taken hook line and sinker.
I stand by my opinions. 67% of Americans agree with me on this one.
Oh, please. Climb down off your cross. Who said disagreeing with President Obama's policies is a crime?
You seem to get your information about Obama's background from less-than-credible sources. His father may have been raised Muslim, but by all objective accounts he was not observant. Obama's mother was a lapsed Christian, he was primarily raised by his Christian grandparents, he became a baptized Christian himself as an adult, he married a Christian, and he is raising two Christian children. If you have any facts -- not conspiracy theories, facts -- to the contrary, please present them.
Obama's responsibility is to the nation, not to any one religious group, and I am not aware of anything he has done to favor Muslims over anyone else. Do you think he should have criticized all Christians after Kansas' Dr. Tiller was murdered in his own church?
Unlike you I don't pretend to be a mind-reader, but perhaps he has held back criticizing all Muslims because of the actions of one certifiable lunatic out of concern of unleashing vigilantism -- you know, just exactly the same approach President Bush took after 9/11 when we *knew* that was an act of a terrorist organization. Again, if you have any facts -- not projections of your fears, but facts -- to the contrary, please present them.
Just because Obama has not fallen prey to the xenophobic fear that tends to grip people at moments like this does not mean he is uncaring. I thank God we have a president who is not a "shoot first, ask questions later" kind of guy. The last thing we need is to leap to conclusions before the facts are in.
Do you remember the violence at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, and the bombing of the Murrah Building in OK City? Lots of people (and you may have been one of them) were pointing fingers at Islamic terrorists before it was determined those crimes were committed by some of our fellow Americans: white Christian Americans. Good thing President Clinton didn't jump on that bandwagon -- one can only imagine how many innocent people would have been affected.
The jury is still out on the Fort Hood killer -- in fact, it hasn't even been convened -- but evidence is rolling in from those to whom he reported and with whom he worked, and they are wracked with remorse that they didn't put the pieces together. He has all the earmarks of a psychopath.
If this was a terrorist conspiracy, you can bet your bottom dollar the group behind it would be claiming credit. Scumbags like that always do. But nobody is.
You accuse me of being taken hook, line, and sinker, but you offer neither example nor factual refutation. Please, illuminate me.
You seem to get your information about Obama's background from less-than-credible sources. His father may have been raised Muslim, but by all objective accounts he was not observant. Obama's mother was a lapsed Christian, he was primarily raised by his Christian grandparents, he became a baptized Christian himself as an adult, he married a Christian, and he is raising two Christian children. If you have any facts -- not conspiracy theories, facts -- to the contrary, please present them.
Obama's responsibility is to the nation, not to any one religious group, and I am not aware of anything he has done to favor Muslims over anyone else. Do you think he should have criticized all Christians after Kansas' Dr. Tiller was murdered in his own church?
Unlike you I don't pretend to be a mind-reader, but perhaps he has held back criticizing all Muslims because of the actions of one certifiable lunatic out of concern of unleashing vigilantism -- you know, just exactly the same approach President Bush took after 9/11 when we *knew* that was an act of a terrorist organization. Again, if you have any facts -- not projections of your fears, but facts -- to the contrary, please present them.
Just because Obama has not fallen prey to the xenophobic fear that tends to grip people at moments like this does not mean he is uncaring. I thank God we have a president who is not a "shoot first, ask questions later" kind of guy. The last thing we need is to leap to conclusions before the facts are in.
Do you remember the violence at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, and the bombing of the Murrah Building in OK City? Lots of people (and you may have been one of them) were pointing fingers at Islamic terrorists before it was determined those crimes were committed by some of our fellow Americans: white Christian Americans. Good thing President Clinton didn't jump on that bandwagon -- one can only imagine how many innocent people would have been affected.
The jury is still out on the Fort Hood killer -- in fact, it hasn't even been convened -- but evidence is rolling in from those to whom he reported and with whom he worked, and they are wracked with remorse that they didn't put the pieces together. He has all the earmarks of a psychopath.
If this was a terrorist conspiracy, you can bet your bottom dollar the group behind it would be claiming credit. Scumbags like that always do. But nobody is.
You accuse me of being taken hook, line, and sinker, but you offer neither example nor factual refutation. Please, illuminate me.
I wonder what's with all the double postings. Guess allvoice's servers are hiccupping!
"We should not tolerate this behavior from anyone at anytime."
I agree.
It is a real conundrum for us. We have Constitutional rights to freedom of speech, assembly, and religion, but it is very difficult to devise a way of protecting us from ideological forces bent on doing us harm that doesn't also do violence to our Constitution.
If we give up our Constitutional rights to clamp down on terrorists, then the terrorists will have won. Dictatorships and theocracies have no such problem, which may be why more people in the world hold America in higher regard than any other country.
It is an on-going conversation, and I thank God I live in a country where we would rather err on the side of liberty.
As Benjamin Franklin wrote, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
I agree.
It is a real conundrum for us. We have Constitutional rights to freedom of speech, assembly, and religion, but it is very difficult to devise a way of protecting us from ideological forces bent on doing us harm that doesn't also do violence to our Constitution.
If we give up our Constitutional rights to clamp down on terrorists, then the terrorists will have won. Dictatorships and theocracies have no such problem, which may be why more people in the world hold America in higher regard than any other country.
It is an on-going conversation, and I thank God I live in a country where we would rather err on the side of liberty.
As Benjamin Franklin wrote, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
Oh I don't mean we should give up anything. We can't 100% stop any of this from happening but we can pay attention and when it does happen we can punish those that do the crime to the full extent. If we all stood up against those that do or spout their evil rhetoric in whatever religion you belong less people will feel they have the backing to commit these horrible crimes. No one can say what they can't say or think but we enable them when we do or say nothing back until after a crime like this happens. Terrorists are bullies and the only way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them.
Okay, I watched the link you provided upstream. (I would "reply" up there except there is no "reply" function at that level. I just hope this reply appears in the right place!) Is it really the best you've got?
Your link did not show laughing and joking, only a president briefly addressing a conference on (I presume) Indian Affairs currently underway before turning to the horrific events of the day.
He showed respect to the people already gathered for another completely different purpose, acknowledged the Congressional Medal of Honor winner in attendance (smiling as he did so), and expressed his appreciation of their hard work on a very important subject: the descendents of people against whom our ancestors practiced various forms of genocide.
He then discussed what was known about Fort Hood, scrupulously sticking to the facts. That's when your clip ended.
If one is determined to criticize President Obama, one could read almost anything into nearly everything he says. I have noticed that people of my acquaintance who feel the same animosity you seem to feel towards him can be relied upon to criticize him regardless of what he says and regardless of how he says it.
If he had gone to Fort Hood immediately, he would have been criticized for "politicizing" a tragedy, just as he was criticized for being present at Dover AFB when some of our slain warriors returned, something his predecessor never did even though he was responsible for sending these brave and selfless Americans into harms's way under false pretenses.
What I saw on your clip was a man expected to be all things to all people in all places at all times doing a remarkable job of multi-tasking. I doubt anyone here could have done a better job on our best day.
But thank you for sharing the link, as it gives me insight into the thinking of those who villify the president at the drop of a hat with little or no provocation.
Your link did not show laughing and joking, only a president briefly addressing a conference on (I presume) Indian Affairs currently underway before turning to the horrific events of the day.
He showed respect to the people already gathered for another completely different purpose, acknowledged the Congressional Medal of Honor winner in attendance (smiling as he did so), and expressed his appreciation of their hard work on a very important subject: the descendents of people against whom our ancestors practiced various forms of genocide.
He then discussed what was known about Fort Hood, scrupulously sticking to the facts. That's when your clip ended.
If one is determined to criticize President Obama, one could read almost anything into nearly everything he says. I have noticed that people of my acquaintance who feel the same animosity you seem to feel towards him can be relied upon to criticize him regardless of what he says and regardless of how he says it.
If he had gone to Fort Hood immediately, he would have been criticized for "politicizing" a tragedy, just as he was criticized for being present at Dover AFB when some of our slain warriors returned, something his predecessor never did even though he was responsible for sending these brave and selfless Americans into harms's way under false pretenses.
What I saw on your clip was a man expected to be all things to all people in all places at all times doing a remarkable job of multi-tasking. I doubt anyone here could have done a better job on our best day.
But thank you for sharing the link, as it gives me insight into the thinking of those who villify the president at the drop of a hat with little or no provocation.
He called that press conference to be live specifically to address the attack. I don't care whether you feel I am being unfair or not. I am one of many who was deeply offended by that shout out. Oh and Dr. Joe medicine crow is a congressional medial of FREEDOM winner not HONOR so it's really sad and pathetic all around.
My husband is in the military...this is not little or no provocation!
My husband is in the military...this is not little or no provocation!
PS I hope you are not offended that I prefer our troops be deployed for good and and not to enrich, as five-star General Dwight D. Eisenhower put it, the military-industrial complex.
Sorry -- I mis-remembered the medal designation. Thank you for correcting me.
He called the press conference as quickly as possible, and the fastest way to make it happen was in that venue. The fact that other people were already meeting meant that he was bound to say a few words to them beforehand. I just don't see what was wrong with that.
My husband was in the Navy during the Viet Nam conflict, and he has a tremendous respect for President Obama as do many of his vet friends. He watched the clip with me and shook his head at the reaction some were determined to have.
Just as an academic exercise, try showing as much respect for Obama as you and your husband would have wanted shown to Bush when he was in the White House.
You don't have to, of course, nor do I expect you to. But for eight years anyone who disagreed with Bush was called a traitor or worse, and it would be nice if we could all try to remain calm and fact-based. It would do our country a world of good.
But of course you don't care about my feelings about your opinions. I assume you are a lot younger than I am and that's the kind of thing I would expect you to say. No doubt right now you see things in the black-and-white vision many young people have.
Best wishes to you and your husband. I know you are both under the kind of stress we all wish you were not under. As I do for all military members and their families, I will keep you in my prayers and continue to work for peace and reconciliation so the sacrifices you are both making are properly respected and rewarded.
He called the press conference as quickly as possible, and the fastest way to make it happen was in that venue. The fact that other people were already meeting meant that he was bound to say a few words to them beforehand. I just don't see what was wrong with that.
My husband was in the Navy during the Viet Nam conflict, and he has a tremendous respect for President Obama as do many of his vet friends. He watched the clip with me and shook his head at the reaction some were determined to have.
Just as an academic exercise, try showing as much respect for Obama as you and your husband would have wanted shown to Bush when he was in the White House.
You don't have to, of course, nor do I expect you to. But for eight years anyone who disagreed with Bush was called a traitor or worse, and it would be nice if we could all try to remain calm and fact-based. It would do our country a world of good.
But of course you don't care about my feelings about your opinions. I assume you are a lot younger than I am and that's the kind of thing I would expect you to say. No doubt right now you see things in the black-and-white vision many young people have.
Best wishes to you and your husband. I know you are both under the kind of stress we all wish you were not under. As I do for all military members and their families, I will keep you in my prayers and continue to work for peace and reconciliation so the sacrifices you are both making are properly respected and rewarded.
Blackwidow - end it - I agree with you. JBL55 does not - You have absolutely no reason to keep pushing - it's useless.
I think it's interesting your husband is in the military... Does JBL55 have any military background might be more relevant as to why he/she doesn't see what you're attempting to get across.
I think it's interesting your husband is in the military... Does JBL55 have any military background might be more relevant as to why he/she doesn't see what you're attempting to get across.
Glorify? Hardly.
Respect? Yes.
Respect? Yes.
"He then discussed what was known about Fort Hood, scrupulously sticking to the facts. That's when your clip ended."
I never said he didn't stick to the facts. As far as the clip ending I am not the one who made the video it was just the 1st one that popped up on youtube. I was just showing you the "shout out" that you did not think happened.
I was not bent on "criticizing" the president when he made that speech. I was simply watching the news. I can't help the way he made me feel and I am not the only one by far that was horrified by his actions.
But thanks for sharing your comment, as it gives me insight into the thinking of those that glorify the president regardless of what he does.
I never said he didn't stick to the facts. As far as the clip ending I am not the one who made the video it was just the 1st one that popped up on youtube. I was just showing you the "shout out" that you did not think happened.
I was not bent on "criticizing" the president when he made that speech. I was simply watching the news. I can't help the way he made me feel and I am not the only one by far that was horrified by his actions.
But thanks for sharing your comment, as it gives me insight into the thinking of those that glorify the president regardless of what he does.
"He then discussed what was known about Fort Hood, scrupulously sticking to the facts. That's when your clip ended."
I never said he didn't stick to the facts. As far as the clip ending I am not the one who made the video it was just the 1st one that popped up on youtube. I was just showing you the "shout out" that you did not think happened.
I was not bent on "criticizing" the president when he made that speech. I was simply watching the news. I can't help the way he made me feel and I am not the only one by far that was horrified by his actions.
But thanks for sharing your comment, as it gives me insight into the thinking of those that glorify the president regardless of what he does.
I never said he didn't stick to the facts. As far as the clip ending I am not the one who made the video it was just the 1st one that popped up on youtube. I was just showing you the "shout out" that you did not think happened.
I was not bent on "criticizing" the president when he made that speech. I was simply watching the news. I can't help the way he made me feel and I am not the only one by far that was horrified by his actions.
But thanks for sharing your comment, as it gives me insight into the thinking of those that glorify the president regardless of what he does.
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