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Using The Fort Hood Massacre To Pass Concealed Weapons Laws

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Fort Hood : TX : USA | 18 days ago  
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Major Nidal Malik Hassan shot up Fort Hood with two semi-automatic handguns. He allegedly killed 13 people (12 soldiers, one civilian) and wounded 43 (34 are wounded from gun fire). It is thought that the guns were purchased legally from “Guns Galore”, a gun store near Fort Hood.

The gun costs about a thousand dollars, and the ammo is expensive as well.

If you’ve been watching Fox News or have been paying attention to the rest of the conservative media, you might have noticed the politicizing of this massacre.

Right off the bat most in the conservative media started bashing Muslim Americans.

Then they started bashing Obama for asking people not to jump to conclusions because all the information hasn’t been figured out.

Now it’s about gun control.

Every time a gun death happens in the country that achieves national recognition, or even regional recognition, the topic of gun control is always brought up.

Of course the right is against gun control and for concealed weapons. The left isn’t.

Well now after the Fort Hood tragedy, the right is once again calling for fewer restrictions on guns.

This is what Redhanded101 wrote in his article:

If anything positive could ever come out of this tragic event is to highlight the importance of giving civilians the right to carry concealed weapons. This is a prime example of why the right to bear arms and carry a concealed weapon is necessary and a deterrent to this type of crime. Already many states have are considering enacting this law to allow for students to carry weapons on campus.

Perhaps if Hasan had known that anyone in that Readiness center may have been armed, he may have thought twice about it. No one would know this with any certainty, but by not allowing the right to carry a concealed weapon, the result would have definitely been the same.

The idea is always the same…If someone else had a gun then someone else would have killed the mass murderer.

I think Red forgets that this was a military base. That there were people there with guns. In fact one of the things the investigation into the massacre at Fort Hood is looking into is how many murdered and wounded were due to “friendly fire”.

The investigators have not ruled out chances of friendly fire.

The likely hood that one man with two guns can kill 13 people and wound 43, just doesn’t seem feasible.

And even though there is no room for logic in the world of a ditto head, logically having the right to a concealed weapon in places like military bases would insure incidences like this happen more frequently.

After all, what Hasan did was bring in two concealed weapons into a military base.

Conservative blogger David Cordea at Examiner.com writes, “So didn't the shooter take full advantage of what is essentially a "gun free zone?”

In a classic example of projection, Republican Sen. Richard BurrSen. Richard Burr of North Carolina is lashing out against the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, accusing the group of exploiting the deadly rampage to oppose his gun lobby backed bill.

The president of the gun-control advocate group said, “America has seen an epidemic of horrific gun violence at churches and synagogues, workplaces, health clubs, high schools, universities, police stations and now Army bases. This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places. Enough is enough.”

While the Republicans went all whiny when the Democrats stuck hate crime legislation to the Defense bill, they themselves stuck a couple of gun legislatives allowing for concealed weapons.

One amendment passed, the other amendment didn’t. The amendment allowing people to carry loaded and concealed weapons in national parks was passed. The amendment allowing people to carry concealed weapons across state line didn’t pass.

Excerpt from a July 22, 2009 article in The New York Times:

Every state except Illinois and Wisconsin allows concealed weapons, but the statutes concerning who is eligible to carry one vary widely by state. The amendment defeated Wednesday would have allowed gun owners with permits from states with looser restrictions to transport their guns to states with tougher restrictions; it would not have allowed the use of concealed weapons in Illinois and Wisconsin.

Critics of the amendment argued that it would undermine state and local gun-control laws, and accused Republican supporters, typically staunch defenders of states’ rights, of hypocrisy.

Here’s a video of what happens when both sides have guns.

Most likely there would be an increase of gun violence as gun control laws in high population places keep getting repealed or relaxed. And depending on how many people there are in one place or how many people have guns in that place, there would also be a chance of more casualties from the cross fire.

UPDATE: There is now a correction, it is believed that Hasan had one semi-automatic hand gun and one revolver. I had intially written they were two semi-automatic hand guns.

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Posted By pollard pollard | 17 days ago
In your haste to bash someone on the right or FOX news, You overlooked one minor detail. You might want to check your facts dude, you are not allowed to carry concealed weapons on military property, they must be checked and stored, you can't even take them into the barracks.
Posted By firesisle firesisle | 17 days ago
"Most likely there would be an increase of gun violence as gun control laws in high population places keep getting repealed or relaxed. And depending on how many people there are in one place or how many people have guns in that place, there would also be a chance of more casualties from the cross fire."

Nope... check your facts; in states like Colorado where they've eased the concealed carry laws, violent crime in general has gone down significantly; because of the registration requirements for legal concealed carriers, the crime rate among them infinitesimal.

Criminals don't abide by gun laws. I'm sorry; you fail.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 17 days ago
I wrote, "in high population" areas. I meant cities. Chicago, New York etc...Not mostly rural areas like Colorado.

I don't think I failed anything.

Um a lot of criminals do abide by gun laws. They go to out of state gun shows (where they find people who won't check their background) and legally buy whatever they want and bring the guns back home.


Other criminals, if they know you have a gun in your house, try to break into your house just so they can steal your gun.

The guns used in Columbine, from what I remember were bought legally. Same for the guns used at Fort Hood. So are guns that are involved in other killing sprees.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 17 days ago
pollard


"you are not allowed to carry concealed weapons on military property"

uh yeah, I know that. But there are many people on this military base that do have weapons. It's a military base. They have their own security as well as local civilian law enforcers on base as well. They have guns.

Also people are allowed to have concealed weapons at the base, you just have to let people know that you do. You just have to register it, and explain why you are carrying it.

People are allowed to carry guns that they have registered for, let's say, practice at the shooting range. They walk around with it and are free to decide they want to kill soldiers instead of shoot at the range.

Thanks for the advise but I have done my research.
Reply By firesisle firesisle | 17 days ago
Have you ever been to Colorado? Denver and Colorado Springs are rural areas? Please... do your research. I was speaking about our population centers, not the "rural areas". Again, have you ever been to Colorado?

The most devastating weapon used at Columbine was not bought legally; the venue was legal, but the end recipient was not. That's not a legal sale. Neither of the shooters were legal concealed carriers, nor could they have been, due to their age; legal carriers have background checks and are required to be trained in the use of their weapon. The Fort Hood shooter could possibly (with a background check) have become a legal carrier, but it still wouldn't necesarily have been legal on post.

Criminals don't break into your house for guns, unless you have enough of them to make it worth their while, especially since better, and more powerful armament is available on the black market. Crack heads and other petty crooks steal guns with other things when they perform a burglary, but guns are rarely the object of a break in.

If somebody is illegally in possession of a fire arm, I wouldn't call it abiding by the law. Both the shooters at Columbine were illegal, and could have gotten the same guns from any number of places; the Major at Fort Hood was also illegal, since it's against the law to carry on post, again, he wasn't abiding by the law.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 17 days ago
"Criminals don't break into your house for guns, unless you have enough of them to make it worth their while, especially since better, and more powerful armament is available on the black market. Crack heads and other petty crooks steal guns with other things when they perform a burglary, but guns are rarely the object of a break in."

I'm sorry but you're wrong about a lot of things in that statement.

"Have you ever been to Colorado? Denver and Colorado Springs are rural areas? Please... do your research. I was speaking about our population centers, not the "rural areas". Again, have you ever been to Colorado?"

No I haven't been to Colorado but I don't need to go there to relaize that the state has an estimate 5 million people.

Whereas my state, Illinois, has an estimated 13 million.

I didn't mean to insult you or anything, I know there are people in Denver, but only after incorporating the surrounding areas of Denver does the population even equal out to the population of Chicago (without its surrounding areas).

est. Denver population is around 600,000...est. Chicago population is almost 3 million (2.8 million).

I really mean HIGH population density areas. Cities like LA, NY, CHI, Houston, Philly.

Denver is ranked in the mid 20s as far as population goes.

Gun laws should be different based on specific needs of the region.

In Alaska one set of gun laws, in California another.


"If somebody is illegally in possession of a fire arm, I wouldn't call it abiding by the law. Both the shooters at Columbine were illegal, and could have gotten the same guns from any number of places; the Major at Fort Hood was also illegal, since it's against the law to carry on post, again, he wasn't abiding by the law."

About the Columbine thing, I said "from what I remember" you have to understand I was 17 at the time, don't remember all the details. All I remember is a news story saying some of the guns they had were purchased legally (I don't remember but I think some of the guns belonged to their parents).

Now about the point I'm trying to make is there are ways for criminals to get guns that were purchased legally.

I buy a gun legally for my protection, and while I'm out of the house some crackhead steals the gun and sells it to his dealer for some crack.

My legally purchased gun is now in the hands of a criminal.

A criminal goes to a gun show and buys a gun off of a collector, no background check, and the criminal has the gun.

Big giant legal doughnut hole.

No one broke the law, because the law allowed this to happen.

Here's a scam my friends from high school use to do (after they graduated high school), go down south, out of state, and buy a bunch of guns.

Come back home and then sell them.

Big legal loophole that allows for illegal activity.

Criminals get their hands on legal guns all the time.
Posted By jparcjr jparcjr | 13 days ago
Gun control has done nothing but Kill more innocent people not less as the bleeding heart liberals want people to believe.
Posted By pollard pollard | 13 days ago
Hey A80,
I have an interesting stat for you. I live in Georgia, north Atlanta suburb, to the west of where I live is a city named Kennesaw, I work there, they passed a law about 20 years ago(maybe longer) that if you own a home in kennesaw you must own a gun, let me repeat that(YOU MUST OWN A GUN)

Guess what happened to the crime rate in this community. Please read the major newspaper article:

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.
Posted By pollard pollard | 13 days ago
A80,
What are you implying then, the soldiers just watched as this guy shot and murdered randomly? Come on, police and MP's are allowed to carry weapons on base. All others are under lock and key. Sure you can bring them on base, just the same as me taking one in a airport as long as I don't go through security.

One other thing, please don't insult our intelligence by using the word "ALLEGEDLY".........
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 12 days ago
I'm assuming you're writing this without reading what I wrote in response to firesisle.

Different gun laws for different areas of the nation is what I believe in.

And you're writing about Kennesaw as if because they required people to buy a gun and Morton Grove outlawed handguns their crime went down and Morton Grove's crime went up.


I've been to Morton Grove. My sister went to a private school in Morton Grove for years. Morton Grove is one of the boring-est places on Earth. There is practically no crime there. There is practically nothing there besides a Supermarket and a strip mall.

Crime went down in both areas. I wonder which area had the least gun deaths though. Maybe you can look into that for me.

Oh and check into crime rates nationwide since 1990s, you'll notice that crime rates have plummetted in the entire nation.
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