Muslim Kills, Ignorants React

Like your point of view, amalgam80. Wonder if those who react are actually ignorant!

amalgam80,

"None of these request made by these idiots would have happened if the man to open fire in Fort Hood was a Christian or Jewish or any other religion."

Possibly... they also probably wouldn't have happened if the shooter hadn't screamed "Allah akbar!" while he mowed down innocent men and women.

A person that knows nothing or very little about Islam, you should really keep comments about the religion in check.

A Muslim says things like Allahuakbar, for many things. We pray that our souls be accepted as the soul of a Muslim if we happen to die. This prayer we say everytime we leave the house.

A Muslim says the same type of prayer if he/she knows they are about to die, like in an accident or about to be shot.


A Muslim prays when they go to the bathroom, there is a prayer for before you eat, before you sleep, before you do anything.

If a Muslim person lost it and started shooting people in Fort Hood, he's probably say something like Allahuakbar.

We say allahuakbar, instead of saying, oh my God, We say allahuakbar instead of saying Oh sh!t, We say allahuakbar instead of die motherf@cker die.

We also say Allahuakbar when we're in over our heads, when we are stressed out, when we need help, when we know that we don't understand something and that God is Great and He has a plan.

We also say Allahuakbar when good things happen, like a child birth, or a marriage, or when someone gives a good speech or when a child brings home a good report card.

When a sport team wins, when someone you voted for wins. We also say it when the sport team loses, as a way of saying "Oh well".

Allahuakbar means God is Great. It doesn't mean I'm killing these infidels because I am an extremist Muslim and I'm on a Jihad.

So far, you've told me nothing I wasn't already aware of. I know exactly what Allahuakbar means. I'll comment as I wish and you'll just have to deal with it.

Personally, I don't believe the Major was a terrorist; I think he was just a whack job who was mad at the world and wanted to take a bunch of people with him. Anyone who calls out to God or Allah while committing mass murder basically unhinged, regardless of their religion. Any God that could accept that person into Heaven as a martyr to the faith would be worthy only of the highest disdain,

Because his attack takes on the appearance of those seen over and over again by Islamic jihadists, it's important to make sure it is simply an isolated incident; It would be remiss and incredibly stupid as well for the government or anyone else not to investigate it.

Just as Muslim is not a synonym for terrorist, neither are the terms "conservative" or "Christian" synonymous with being stupid or ignorant. I have a great deal of respect for Islam, respect you very obviously don't share for religions other than your own; that is, however, your burden to bear, not mine.

While I appreciate your ability to accurately explain the tenets of Islam, I am afraid that only sensible, intelligent people can read it.

Idiots like Write4Life and grantswank won't get it.

Good article either way.

Please - anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? Muslims are the only one with sensibility and intelligence?

This came from NPR today:

One question among the many that await answers in the wake of Thursday's shootings at Fort Hood in Texas is how was it possible for the Army to let alleged shooter, Maj. Nidal Hasan, treat soldiers with psychological disturbances related to their Iraq or Afghanistan deployments?

Hasan's behavior was apparently deeply troubling to his colleagues at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington.

Not only has Hasan described as a cold, distant personality and not particularly impressive as a doctor in training, but his behavior alarmed his colleagues.

NPR's Daniel Zwerdling told a chilling story on Morning Edition Friday about a lecture Hasan gave at Walter Reed.

As Daniel said:

And he gave a lecture one day that really freaked a lot of doctors out. They have grand rounds right? Dozens of doctors come into an auditorium and somebody stands at the podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic issue, what drugs to prescribe for what condition.
Instead of that, Hasan apparently gave a long lecture on the Koran. And talked about how if you don't believe you are condemned to hell, your head is cut off, burning oil is burned (sic) down your throat.

So, the whole world is ignorant - we Christians are horrible and ignorant - yeah, that's it.

And there are once again being reminded that they are second class citizens in this country, and just like when an entire black nation has to apologize for the action of a few black people, every time a Muslim does something stupid, or in this case tragic, every Muslim has to come out and apologize."

THESE ARE YOUR WORDS - no one else's.

"None of these request made by these idiots would have happened if the man to open fire in Fort Hood was a Christian or Jewish or any other religion."

BULLSH*T if a Christian had done this while screaming VENGEANCE FOR JESUS you would have gone ballistic.

You Progressives are out of hand and while I'm at is - OBAMA acted like an inexperienced idiot. No class and a complete dishonor to our troops.

This article is over the top. What exactly will you NOT defend with Obama? At least the right called Bush out for the war and his ridiculous spending which passed directly onto the current spend thrifts.

I'm sorry when did the right call out Bush for the war?


"And there are once again being reminded that they are second class citizens in this country, and just like when an entire black nation has to apologize for the action of a few black people, every time a Muslim does something stupid, or in this case tragic, every Muslim has to come out and apologize."

THESE ARE YOUR WORDS - no one else's."


Uh yeah, it's called an opinion, I'd figure that means these are my words.

What's your point, that when Jay-Z and some other rapper says "My motherf@cking President's Black" that conservatives and Fox News didn't come out and want Obama to apologize or speak on the matter?

Cause that happened.

When Al Sharpton or some random person in line waiting for stimulus cash in Detriot says something stupid, that people don't want an explanation for their actions from other black people?

Cause that happened.

When a Muslim person kills someone in a bunker in Iraq, and the conservative media goes apesh!t and demands Muslim groups speak out against it, even though they had already spoken out against it, that doesn't happen?

Cause it does.

When people on this site tell me that I'm a terrorist because I said the Taliban views us as invaders, and that I don't support our troops cause I say they are not safe in Afghanistan and Iraq and want them back home, That I should speak out against terrorism (even though I have), that didn't happen?

Cause it did.

When I say that we are killing a lot of innocent people and locking up lots of innocent people and that's causing more problems for our troops, all conservatives hear is "America bad, crazy islamists good" and then they practically call me one of the extremists, that didn't happen.

Cause it did.

That just about everytime, everytime, I write something that is misunderstood, cause all conservatives see is a Muslim being critical of U.S. foreign policy and that means he supports the terrorists, I am told I need to advertise my allegiance by the likes of pollard, citizensforhonestgovernment, chinook, lecia, that doesn't happen?

Cause it did and it does.

And where exactly did I defend Obama in this article?

Alma - that's part of writing on this site. Your article makes it seem like all the people on the right want to open camps and throw all Muslims in. As usual -it's sided and it is ignorant to assume that all the bitching about the fact the guy was a muslim is coming from the right - Hate to tell you this - it's coming from everywhere.

I had no idea you were Muslim - guess I missed that article until this one - but if you'll remember the guy who went into the Holocoust memorial... he wasn't a muslim and he was raked through the coals too.

AS HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

I personally think the fear against muslims most likely WAS personified by this happening - but we lost almost 3,000 people on 9/11 via 19 muslims and we've got muslims all over the world vowing to kill us. Paranoid? Maybe, and I am friends with many and know they'd never hurt anyone - EVER. But - it's not MUSLIMS that need to defend themselves - it never was. Extremism is extremism and just as you say it's the right pulling this crap - well it was a muslim extremist that pulled that crap.

First off, The NPR story sounded fair to me, I don't see anything attacking Muslims. But what I do see is just part of the story. Where is the part where after 9/11 Hasan dealt with constant racism?

"And talked about how if you don't believe you are condemned to hell, your head is cut off, burning oil is burned (sic) down your throat."

Yeah I'm sure if I read a passage from the Quran, that talked about what happens to you in hell to a bunch of military people, they would think it meant what Daniels said. Too bad people who already are against Islam get to talk about Islam and seem credible in the media.


The whole head cutting off and the imagery with oil, yeah, the Quran says that is what happens to people that end up in hell. Not just unbelievers, even Muslims that end up in hell. That's the imagery given in the Quran about the pain of being in hell.


It's ridiculous that after the "long" lecture that Hasan gave that day, the only thing being quoted are the description on hell.

Yeah I'm sure that's all Hasan was doing in there. Telling all the people at Walter Reed they were all going to burn in hell, cause they are unbelievers and sh!t.

And after he told everyone there about how they are all going to burn in hell, military personnel decided to keep him within their ranks. yeah that sounds just like what would have happened. That sounds like military protocol to me.

The NPR report is questioning things, that seems fair to me. What it is not doing is calling for investigations into Muslims in the military.

What NPR is doing isn't calling Hasan an advisor to Obama.

It is merely stating that questions remain and gave an example of a reason why questions remain.

Unfortunately, there is no option to reply directly to your post, Write4Life. So I will do it here.

First, when did I say that Muslims were the only people with sensibility and intelligence? I said that only sensible and intelligent people would understand that "Allahu Akbar" does not mean "Death to America." Learn how to read.

Second, I never insinuated that Christians were horrible or ignorant. Even if I were a Muslim (which I am not), it would be a sin to think so.

Finally, in reference to anyone who disagrees with me being "an idiot," as you stated-gross misrepresentation of what I said. I said you were an idiot. Not people who disagree with me.

Again, learn to read. Thanks.

"Learn how to read."

I can read - I assure you of that,

I also think you're ignorant because you can't understand a person who might have trouble understanding a religious comment being screamed by a man as he shot soldiers and who previously said if "you don't believe you are condemned to hell, your head is cut off, burning oil is burned (sic) down your throat" might be an EXTREMIST?

You want to call me an idiot -

Join the club you don't phase me for calling me petty names... I know I am right.

Does the Bible not speak of those who do not believe being condemned to hell? And does hell not consist of such horrific and terrible things?

While I will not dispute the fact that Major Nidal Hasan was disturbed, I will not concede that his actions were the result of Islamic extremism. We do not know this for a fact.

By the way, it does not please me to call you an "idiot." But I would not take it so harshly, if I were you. You called President Obama an idiot. That's pretty good company.

While I will not dispute the fact that Major Nidal Hasan was disturbed, I will not concede that his actions were the result of Islamic extremism. We do not know this for a fact.

Perhaps we may not know this as a fact - and he's innocent until proven guilty - but given eye witness reports as to the way he was screaming - I think people have a right to wonder. NO?

And it makes no difference - if he lives - we'll find out. If he dies - speculation will be all people have and judgements will be made. However, the Bible also says - no man has the right to judge his fellow man so in my Christian world - he can take that up with our Maker.

I agree with you. People can wonder all they want. I just get a little bumped when people start posting "news" stories with such inflammatory comments and call them facts.

Honestly, I don't think you're an idiot. I should apologize for saying that. I believe that you and I could actually have a decent conversation over such topics, even if we don't agree. Again, I apologize for being so condescending here. I assure that is not who I am.

And in reference to your Biblical statement--I wish more people felt that way. As for myself, I echo the sentiments of Mahatma Gandhi--"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Thanks and idiot I can handle - "mean self-righteous Bit**," well that just makes my blood boil. (and....yup, it's been said more than just once.
Gandhi was one of the greatest of the human race, if not the greatest.

And where exactly did I defend Obama in this article?

You didn't - my mistake

That just about everytime, everytime, I write something that is misunderstood, cause all conservatives see is a Muslim being critical of U.S. foreign policy and that means he supports the terrorists, I am told I need to advertise my allegiance by the likes of pollard, citizensforhonestgovernment, chinook, lecia, that doesn't happen?

You don't need to advertise your allegiance to anyone Alma - this is America - it's you're right period to do it or not.

and lastly:

When people on this site tell me that I'm a terrorist because I said the Taliban views us as invaders, and that I don't support our troops cause I say they are not safe in Afghanistan and Iraq and want them back home, That I should speak out against terrorism (even though I have), that didn't happen?

You're not alone here either - I've defend my similar views too. I don't want our troops there either and I hardly think that view is unpatriotic in the least.

W4L,
Well said, Am80 it seems everything you write is misunderstood, I guarantee you if you go to pakistan and ask some of the people who lost a son or daughter, sister or brother, mother or father in the last week to a suicide murderer, are being critical of whoever did it.

I have never told you to de-nounce anything, see that is part of the problem here, you sound now like we're supposed to be sympathetic to you for being a muslim.

Let me tell you something chief, I don't care if this guy was a southern baptist, I want his but tied down and a needle injected. Yea you call me what you want but if I'm not mistaken Texas still has the death penalty. The needle don't care if your a muslim or not.

"I have never told you to de-nounce anything, see that is part of the problem here, you sound now like we're supposed to be sympathetic to you for being a muslim."

Let's see, what have you told me...That I don't support the troops. That I should live in Afghanistan because of my opinions(um I'd probably be locked up of my opinon of Afghanistan in Afghanistan). You have told me, because I said we are viewed as invaders that I am like the Taliban or Al Qaeda. That my loyalties are to them, instead to this country.

And as far as being sympathetic to Muslims, um I am the kind of person that wants people to be sympathetic, period.

What I wrote this article for is not to be sympathetic toward Muslims, it was to point out how quickly and how far people like to take things when it is a Muslim involved in tragic events like this.

How all Muslims need to be investigated in government. That just because Hasan thinks suicide bombing is a military tactic, to be comparable to kamikazes, and shouldn't really be technically be catagorized as suicide, that means he's a terrorist sympathizer.

This kind of sh!t is just wrong.

There are many people in the military that have the same view on classifying suicide bombing as a strategy, but having such views while being Muslim it seems is not allowed. That means he's a terrorist sympathizer, if he has these views and is Muslim.

I don't want your sympathy pollard, this article's intentions were not for you to read, it was to talk about people like you.

I hope Hasan dies, and if he survives I hope he is convicted and then killed. What he did was absolutely wrong. I'm not writing this article to convince people that Hasan is innocent, I'm writing this article to bring to light how other American Muslims are being ridiculed and picked on, because of ignorant hatred of Islam and Muslims.

There is no secret Muslim cult. We don't all get memos, we don't all know each other, we don't all think, act and do the same things. We are all as different from each other as we are from non-Muslims.

this article is about the reaction of people that don't know and don't understand the situation.

When I get up in front of a crowd to give a speech, I do not end with the Christian belief that one who commits suicide is condemned. One, because I have had someone close kill themselves and two, because I think (me, myself, and I) that God forgives people in such anguish as to take their own life.

My point is - there ARE reasons to question if this man was an extremist who had intent to carry out Jihad and that doesn't make anyone wrong.

Also - the military... not exactly the best example of a group who never goes to great lengths to make sure things are back burnered.

"My point is - there ARE reasons to question if this man was an extremist who had intent to carry out Jihad and that doesn't make anyone wrong."

There are definitely reasons to question, no doubt.

The questioning isn't the problem that I'm writing against, it's what's being done beyond the questioning.

I'm writing about what is happening in regards to prejudice.

You don't support the troops according to your own mouth, you said you could care less about them, I said if YOU "LIVED" in afghanistan you would probably be locked up, I stick by the statement infact I stand by all of them, so where did I tell you to advertise your loyalty to this country.

I could care less about your loyalty, you sure seem quick to jump to their defence though...........

"You don't support the troops according to your own mouth, you said you could care less about them, I said if YOU "LIVED" in afghanistan you would probably be locked up, I stick by the statement infact I stand by all of them, so where did I tell you to advertise your loyalty to this country."

Ah here you go again.

First off I've said repeatedly that I support the troops. I've even told you that two of my best friends are in Afghanistan right now and I want them back home. That I think about them all the time.

I try to spot them on tv everytime footage is shown from there. When I say I don't support us being there anymore, That's not the troops genius, that's the politicans I don't support. The people who are running the WARs.

Why is that so hard for conservatives to comprehend, how you can be critical of something and still support it. Are conservatives not able to be that cognitivelly complex?

I love my city but I'll be the first one in line to change a crapload of things in regards to it. I love my country, but I'll be the first in line to talk smack about its policies.

Are you really that feeble minded? I don't think you are, but I just have to ask.

A person can support the troops and still not support the war. A person can support a war and still not support a strategy. A person can support a general and still not support his policies.

"you sure seem quick to jump to their defence though"

The only thing I defend is the right of a Muslim American to express their views, and not fear retaliation from Americans like you.

I can say I don't support the war in Afghanistan,but I have to hear you say stupid crap like "why don't you go live there".

You told me to move to Afghanistan because I wrote an article talking about how NATO blew up an oil tanker while hundreds of Afghani civilians were surrounding it.

The tanker was stuck, The taliban couldn't get the oil they tried to steal...so they started giving it away to civilians. And when given a decision to blow up the oil tankers, or let the civilians steal the oil needed to be made, NATO chose to blow up the civilians and the oil tanker.

Do you think that move added to the ranks of the Taliban or do you think we killed more taliban than would have join?

I criticized that tactics, just like the ones that are hurting our troops and you told me that I should live there if I want to defend the Afghani citizens.

Right.

I wrote that this makes it harder on our troops and you think I want to defend Afghan citizens at the cost of our troops.

It's not rocket science. If innocent people are getting killed by people that are considered invaders, then family members of those killed are more likely to join the the group of people considered the freedom fighters.

ALl I was saying is let's not kill innocents, it will only hurt us in the longterm, and to you that means I don't support our troops and I should try living there to really understand what its like there.

A80,

In all of this back & forth we have forgotten the victims here. How about sending your condolensces and prayers to the families of the victims before first trying to defend this domestic terrorist?

This type of incident has a lot of precedent. Already, there have been at least 3 or 4 similiar incidents at other military installations and countless others that have been foiled. Was it coincidence that all the attackers were Muslim converts or ideollogically driven Islamists?

Most of the evidence that has come out so far, points to this guy being some type of lone jihadist who was in conflict with his religion and duty to fight Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Instinctively, we get a feel for certain things. If these facts are out there and germain to the story, why hide behind the veil of "Islamophobia" and pretend that it is irrelevent? We can decide to confront this situation with pastel colored glasses and just gloss over the story and act politically correct, or we can get mad. I am mad. I am mad that we have to check our civility at the door everytime some small time terrorist decides to kill our men & women for political & religious reasons. I am tired of all the shit statements from Muslim Organizations who think that a simple apology suffices.

To try and make excuses for this guy because he may or may not have been motivated my a higher calling or get his piece of the 69 virgins that awaits him for his martyrdom and service to Allah, is pathetic.

A80,
So know their known as muslim americans, that's one of the problems a lot of folks have but won't speak up, this hyphenated description of being an American. You make it sound like your only a half of American when you do that.

"retaliation from Americans like you"

See you use the non-hyphenated word here, but when talking about you and the muslims it's muslim-Americans.

"In all of this back & forth we have forgotten the victims here. How about sending your condolensces and prayers to the families of the victims before first trying to defend this domestic terrorist?"

I'm sorry I didn't know I had to meet some kind of protocol befire I could start writing about a topic.

And I'm defending this domestic terrorist? I hope he's gone. I hope dies. I'm not defending him, I'm attacking those like you who want Obama to now bad mouth Muslims, and start investigations and treat Muslims as if we were the Japanese-Americans in WWII.

um, I'm not going to let you idiots start blaming Muslims now cause one of us shot a bunch of people.

I ended up in the hospital when I was in 4th grade because a group of kids beat me up so bad that I passed out(right after the start of the Gulf War). I ended up in the emergency room because I was hit by "the club" when I got into a fight with three guys after 9/11. I still have the scars from both of the incidences.

Where do fourth graders get the idea that Muslims are to blame for the Gulf War? Who tells the fourth graders that they should hate Muslims? Where do they get that from?

From parents like you, who think Muslims hate America, that they are on a mission to take all its freedoms.

"This type of incident has a lot of precedent. Already, there have been at least 3 or 4 similiar incidents at other military installations and countless others that have been foiled. Was it coincidence that all the attackers were Muslim converts or ideollogically driven Islamists?"

First of all, what the hell is an Islamist? What the hell is that, where did you people on the right come up with that one? No one else uses that term, what the hell is that?

To me it sounds like someone who is racist toward Islam.





•Sgt. Joseph Tackett was fatally shot in June 2005 by a fellow soldier in Baghdad. Lt. Willie Davis

Willie Davis...hmmmm I don't know if that guy was Muslim?

•The same month, Capt. Phillip Esposito and Lt. Louis Allen were killed in an explosion at a base in Tikrit, north of Baghdad. The military charged a sergeant in their company, Alberto Martinez


hmmm...Alberto Martinez...sounds arab to me, not really though.


•Two U.S. sailors based in Bahrain, Seaman Anamarie Camacho and Seaman Genesia Gresham, were shot and killed by a third sailor who then shot himself in October 2007


hmmm...maybe that person was Muslim, could be...it doesn't say the killer's name there.


•A 39-year-old soldier was charged with killing Staff Sgt. Darris Dawson and Sgt. Wesley Durbin in Tunnis, Iraq, in September 2008.


Hmmm no name there either. I'll do some research to see if they were Muslims.


But in the mean time...

"Most of the evidence that has come out so far, points to this guy being some type of lone jihadist who was in conflict with his religion and duty to fight Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq."


That is such a interpretation of the facts.

First off jihadist? Really, he was a jihadist? Do you even know what a jihadist is? An al qaeda member is a jihadist.

A guy who is stressed out about going to Afghanistan? Being Muslim is just one of the things that is stressing him.

He snaps from this stress. And like most militarymen who snap, he turns violent. There is a bigger picture here. Being Muslim is just a small part of it. The problem is the war and the stress of being a soldier. Some people break and go nuts. They all have their own reasons.

He is no jihadi, he is just nuts. He lost it and went nuts.



"I am mad. I am mad that we have to check our civility at the door everytime some small time terrorist decides to kill our men & women for political & religious reasons. I am tired of all the shit statements from Muslim Organizations who think that a simple apology suffices."


Oh you are mad that people won't let you treat Muslims like second class citizens. Awwww. I'm sorry my rights offend you so much.

I don't think any Muslim Oraganization has apologized for anything. Check their statements, I doubt you'll find any sign of an apology.

But while at it, what should the Muslim Organization be doing?

"To try and make excuses for this guy because he may or may not have been motivated my a higher calling or get his piece of the 69 virgins that awaits him for his martyrdom and service to Allah, is pathetic."


Your attempts to take an isolated coincedence and try to villify the Muslim community is pathetic.

Your attempts to attack Muslims and Islam and ignore the bigger topic of our soldiers going crazy from being in two wars for the past 8 years, all the stop-loss and repeated tours, all the crazy missions and the stresses of War, are beginning to be too much for the soldiers.

Some are snapping.

Bring the troops back home!!!





Sgt. Joe Bozicevich was the guy on Sept. 2008

Clarence Jackson was the other one. Oct. 2007.

These two don't seem like Muslims either.

So far only Hasan and that other guy, who threw the grenade, are the ones that are Muslims to have killed their own troops.


I don't know the religions of the other people.

But if they weren't Muslim, what jihad were they on?

Pollard,

I can't believe I have to talk about grammar and rules of English with someone that was born in this country, but here it goes...

This "hypenated" Americans that you are talking about(even though I didn't use a hypen)...this "Muslim American" term you're talking about...it's called description.

Let's take a dog for example.

Dog...BIG Dog...GREEN Dog...SHAGGY Dog...SMELLY Dog...

See description.

American...BIG American...GREEN American...SHAGGY AMerican...Smelly American...Muslim American(that would be me)...Stupis@$$ ignorant American(that would be you).

Description, the word that describes the other word usually precedes it.

Muslim American is one way of describing me (how the west views me). American Muslim is another way of describing me (how the east views me).

You can call me a Urban American. A Fat American. A Poor American. A Pakistani American. A Short American. An Annoying American. I prefer just being called by my name though.

So when I said "retaliation from Americans like you" what I meant to say was "from Stupid@$$ ignorant Americans like you".

Well put, although I doubt pollard will get it. You see, there are people out there who can disagree with you ideologically, and still be able to have a good, educated discussion on the topics, like Write4Life. She may have her reservations, and that's fine, but I don't see her advocating the riddance of Muslims in America.

But people like pollard, Redhanded, and grantswank can't remove their veil of ignorance to listen to anyone, unless they are in agreement with them. He doesn't understand the meaning of civility, not when he demeans Muslims and all others who don't think like him just because they're different. When you tell him that, however, he deflects to the people who distort Islam (like al Qaeda). You say, "You hate Muslims." He says, "Muslims hate America." He'll never understand. Really, all you can do is say, "You know what? You have your opinions, and I have mine. I'm not going to drive myself to an early grave trying to convince you that you're promoting hatred and fear."

One more thing, for Redhanded himself. YOU are "Islamophobic," my friend. It means you are afraid of Muslim people and Islam, because you know absolutely nothing about it. And that you clearly are.

shaheinem,

There is no ignorance here. The problem is that you want me to be politically correct and I won't. There is a pattern here. There was the same type of outcry from the Left when a Muslim convert killed a soldier and wounded another at an Army Recruting facility in Arkansas. It was he same spin, not all Muslims are this, not all Muslims are that, the old line of defense.

If you are in this country, you will be held to the same scrutiny and be held accountable just like any other one that commits a crime. Whether you are White, Black, Hispanic, Asian or Muslim doesn't matter.

What needs to matter is that no one should feel offended if someone in their race is called out for committing this sort of crime.

A80,

I don't understand you logic.On the one hand you want Muslims to be seen as law abiding and good Americans. Fine. But when a Muslim person commits a horrific crime such as the one at Fort Hood, and it is looking like it may have been influenced by political or religous motives, why can't the President make a strong statement and say forcefully, Muslims must understand that domestic terrorism will not be tolerated and those found to be complicit will be deported or prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What is wrong with that? He went out of his way to blame the police department when his buddy, Professor Gates cried foul. So, he has shown us that he is capable of blaming.

You make it sound like Muslims should be given a free pass..Why is that?

The President seems to be preoccupied with blaming George Bush at every turn.. Why not be an equal opportunity blamer?

You don't understand his logic because you don't think logically. The fact that he was Muslim may have had nothing to do with it. You don't know that. And even if it did, it does not mean that the "Muslim community" as a whole feels that it was right.

Besides, nobody came out and told all Koreans not to shoot up their schools after that Virginia Tech incident a few years ago. Nobody told all Christians to understand that domestic terrorism will not be tolerated after Timothy McVeigh committed his crimes. Why not? Because, it is illogical to assume that a significant portion of Koreans or Christians felt that way.

Sorry to butt in amalgam. Just my thoughts...

Red

"But when a Muslim person commits a horrific crime such as the one at Fort Hood, and it is looking like it may have been influenced by political or religous motives, why can't the President make a strong statement and say forcefully, Muslims must understand that domestic terrorism will not be tolerated and those found to be complicit will be deported or prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What is wrong with that?"


are you going to treat all the other people the same way? Clarence Jackson killed because a girl broke up with him. Should he warn all the people in relationships that if they break up, it's unexceptable for you to kill fellow troops.

Sgt. Joe Bozicevich killed because he was blamed for getting some of his troops killed in an IED attack. He flipped from the stress and killed some of his own troops for real.

Should Obama make a statement about anyone that thinks they are getting blamed unfairly to not kill anyone? Obama should come and say "If you kill people because you think you are being treated unfairly, don't. You must understand that domestic terrorism will not be tolerated and those found to be complicit will be deported or prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."


Um all of that goes without saying.

Duh, yeah, we all know that.

If you kill your own troops, we will execute you. I think we all know that. There's no need for the President to stand infront of the nation and villify Muslims that have no intention of even thinking about killing anyone, let alone their own troops.

Where is the Muslim that is dancing around partying? Who has come out and said "this is great, this was awesome" "one more for the team"?

Where is that?

You know what happens whenever someone goes on a mass killing in America? Do you know what happens in the mind of a Muslim in America, when a bomb goes off, or a terrorist gets caught, or when any other horrible tradegy happens?

A Muslim in America goes, "please don't be a Muslim, please don't be a Muslim, please don't be a Muslim".

We have to hope it's not another crazy Muslim, and have it turn into this kind of reaction you guys are having.

And a lot of time when people go on killing sprees, it's not Muslims. Oh but when it is, all of those others are forgotten and the Muslims have to explain why we are all so violent and why we hate AMerica.




Seriously, that's really annoying. Are you kidding? Do you even know what majority of the Muslims in the U.S. do?

We are lawyers, bankers, doctors, writers, musicians, computer engineers, mechinal engineers, teachers, cab drivers, gas station owners, convenient store owners, real estate agents, scientists, academics among many other things. that's just what people in my family are.

The Sears tower was designed by a Muslim.

What do they got to do with Hasan's killings?

What do I got to do with it?

Obama better treat me like I'm everyone else. When an abortion doctor killer comes out and kills a bunch of people in a clinic, Obama better come out and tell Christians to behave themselves or else they'll be deported too.

The same goes for when a Christian kills a gay person too.





You do realize that Hasan was born in Virginia? Where you gonna deport him to? He was born here. He's an American citizen.

My biggest concern in this whole affair is that I know it will cause backlash against the Muslim community in general, and that is both wrong and unfortunate.

I've been listening to a little talk radio today, and actually heard an idiot call in and suggest that all Muslims should be honorably discharged from every form of military service. People like that are the ones who actually scare me more than any terrorist threat from any source.

One of the best reasons to thoroughly investigate it is to, hopefully, dispel the hooplah surrounding it, and the rumors, and the assumptions, and all the rest; find out the truth and put it on the table, whatever that truth may be;

Am80 and shaheinm,
Then why is it, most muslims aren't terrorist, but most terrorist are muslim?

Please don't start with the oklahoma bombing, he didn't run around shouting in the name of Jesus.

Shaheinm, if you would just read a little slower then you might be able to comprehend, that I have never said anything about getting the muslims out of America. So before you belittle someone who disagrees with your ideas, try practicing what your trying to preach.

Just reading your point-counterpoint, you make the arguement for us, thanks and keep up the good work. Your doing the muslim religion proud.

"Then why is it, most muslims aren't terrorist, but most terrorist are muslim?

"Please don't start with the oklahoma bombing, he didn't run around shouting in the name of Jesus."

You really are a stupid man pollard. Those two sentences tell me you don't even know what terrorism is.

Maybe you need a quick trip to the dictionary.

You are basically asking me why all Muslim terrorists are Muslims.

You know that crazy guy who shot up the synagogue in California, he's a terrorist. The guy that shot up the Holocaust Museum, he's a terrorist. The people that have destroyed clinics, terrorists. The people that have burned down churches, terrorists. Those people that have shot up schools and colleges, terrorists. The guy that got caught with the shoe bomb, terrorist. The Uni-bomber, a terrorist. Serial killers, terrorists. The KKK, terrorists. The CIA, terrorists.

If the Republican Party isn't racist, then why are most racists Republican?

"If the Republican Party isn't racist, then why are most racists Republican?"

Not true(of course...), but a valid counterpoint...

Exactly my point, the not true part.

According to you a80 everybody that disagrees with your religious views are terrorist or racist. The key diffrence is they didn't do it in the name of religion, so please you've made the word racist to lose it's sting.

See you refuse to even acknowledge the truth, All these instances you mention are NOT done in the name of God.

Oh and please look up the meaning of the word MOST. I'm not asking you nothing, I'm telling you that: I'll say it one more time.

WHY IS IT, THAT MOST muslims ARE NOT TERRORIST, BUT MOST TERRORIST ARE muslim.......Please find out the difference between the word ALL and MOST.

Getting called stupid from someone like you is a compliment.

Hey genuis, thought you might want to read what wikepedia said on the subject. The definition of terrorism.

Australian Parliament states that "The international community has never succeeded in developing an accepted comprehensive definition of terrorism

So please inlighten us oh wise one of infinite wisdom................

The KKK uses the Bible to back up its claims. Their terrorism is in the name of God and Christ. Bombers of abortion clinics and killers of abortion doctors, in the name of God and Christ. Beating up Gays and killing gays, in the name of God and Christ.

What do you think a person killing people at the Holocaust museum killed for if not religion?

What does a person that shot up a synagogue shoot up a synagogue for, practice or religion?

What does a person burn black churches for, besides race?


Here let me find you some definitions for terrorism:

•the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

•State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism conducted by governments. Like the definition of terrorism and that of state-sponsored terrorism, the definition of state terrorism remains controversial and without international consensus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_(state)

•Terrorism is a policy or ideology of violenceTerrorism in asymmetrical conflict: ideological and structural aspects

a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activit

In November 2004, a United Nations Security Council report described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act".

You do realize that vocabulary is a strong indicator of intelligence and IQ, right? Your grammar and spelling are both appalling. Jeez. (Yes, I know that isn't a word...)

Where do you get the idea that most terrorists are Muslim? I just want to know where these incredible "facts" of yours come from...

I think Amal hit a sore spot with this article - You'd think with these many comments - there would be 10,000 hits!

Here's to the FEMALE cop that brought the guy down! Girl power!

Here! Here! For sure!

I'm just glad somebody besides he Major was packing heat. Amazingly, she took four slugs in the act of stopping him. Pretty amazing lady...

I thought she only took one to her thigh. I thought she shot Hasan four times.

I think that's correct. Cough cough - I'd like to add she was a working Mom!! Now a working Mother and a hero!

Further research shows she was shot once in each thigh, and once in the wrist; she essentially saw what was happening, drew her weapon, at which time the two began shooting at each other; both went down.

Another new development; all of the casualties were from one shooters; there were no friendly fire injuries.

I live in WA and I'm not sure what happened...

Redhanded,

It is not about being politically correct, as you say. Major Nidal Hasan's race did not commit his crime. He did. So what purpose would it serve to call out all Arabs? (I say "Arabs" because his family is Jordanian, and "Muslim" is not a race. It is a religious belief. There is a difference.)

Thanks.

And pollard,

I never said you said anything about getting Muslims out of our country. I used that to make a point about someone else. Its called "hyperbole." It's okay, though. If that's all you can bring against me, then I have done my part.

Again, thanks.

Shaheinm,
It amazes me how your ignorance shows, if you use vocabulary to judge someone you have never met, you need to quit acting as though stupidity were a virtue. You start your 1st comment on this post calling some idiot's, I'll let you in on a little secert, that speaks volumes of your intelligence.

If someone on here is for the muslim way of thinking,(and please let's not forget how it's such a peace loving religion) your willing to blow in each others soup, well get over it gungaden, I'm not here to suck up to you or your stinking religion.

Seeing how your so well spoken, you may wanna teach your jihad buddy A80 how to write.

Geez, please excuse my grammer and language, "Oh wait a minute", or is that considered a "hyperbole"

You also did not answer the main question of my post.

Where do you get the idea that most terrorists are Muslim?

Why do I have to meet you to examine your vocabulary, pollard? You post it here for all to see.

Hey, do me a favor. Define "jihad" for us. Maybe you know what it is, and are therefore qualified to speak on the subject. Try to be clear, however, as I assure you that I do know what it means.

And for the record, I am not a Muslim. Nor am I a Christian. I prefer agnosticism.

ah so now I'm a jihadi. Your self-degradation continues. I love writing about race, and discrimination, because I know by bringing those things up you get so annoyed.

Why is that?

I think the reason is that you feel like you have to defend yourself from the views I criticize, because they are your views.

Hey pollard welcome to America in the 21st century. There are plenty of non-whites and non-Christians around to make it hard on you to be a bigot. I know, I know, you wish the days where blacks and minorities knew their place in this anglo-Christian society, but so many non-anglo Christians have showed up that they are now using the Constitution to demand equal rights too.

Oh poor poor pollard, sorry my rights offend you so much.

All I'm saying in this article is that some people are going a little too far with going after Muslims in America because a Muslim man went nuts and killed people.

They are discriminating and spreading their prejudices.

I and other Muslims in America are Muslim while being American, we got bills to pay, mouths to feed, normal everyday things to stress out about. We don't need the likes of Pollard and Redhanded to make life even harder on us. Nor do we need Fox News and Limbaugh and others to raise fears in the American society.

I have personally been assaulted three times because of Wars waged against Muslim countries. I've had to go to the hospital twice. The other guys had to go to the hospital the third time.

Muslim businesses get bricks thrown into their shops, some shops are burned to the ground. People get assaulted on their way from a mosque. Neighborhoods don't let people build any mosques. We get verbally assaulted constantly.

Why, were the terrorists in 9/11 Americans? Are the Taliban American? Did only Jews and Christians die at WTC? ARe there only Jews and Christians in the U.S. military? Is it only non-Muslim U.S. soldiers dying in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Muslim Americans are Americans, it's about time people start to carve that into their psychies.

And all terrorists aren't Muslims, not even most terrorist are Muslim

Stop being racist.

You are the one who brought religion in to this. Lest we forget JETLINERS are bigger than BRICKS.
So when was the last time american prisoners had their head cut off, NEVER. When was the last time one of the muslim prisoners had their head cut off, quite often.

You stop being a racist and a bigot,but I know that won't happen because your religion tells you to hate us. So go ahead show me in your book where it talks about peace and love, show me where it say's your to be tolerant of other religions.

Let me tell you one more thing, why don't you quit blaming all that is wrong in your life on somebody else. You really make for a sorry liberal, at least they don't use all these excuses,that you do. Poor little Am80

"You are the one who brought religion in to this"

um no, if you read my article, the article is a response to people like you who brought religion into it.

"So when was the last time american prisoners had their head cut off, NEVER"

No we just knee them to death. Beat them to death. Stress them to death. Pain them to death. We prefer to torture them to death instead of cutting their heads off. different means, same end.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/30/accountability/


"Let me tell you one more thing, why don't you quit blaming all that is wrong in your life on somebody else."

People like you hurt people like me. I will definitely keep talking about it while you keep doing it.

Al-Qur'an, Sura II, Verse 62:

"Those who believe (in the Qur'an),
And those who follow the Jewish (scriptures),
and the Christians
and the Sabians--
Any who believe in God
And the Last Day
And work righteousness,
Shall have their reward
With their Lord : on them
Shall be no fear, nor shall they
greive."

One more for good measure.
Al-Qur'an, Sura V, Verse 85

"...And nearest among them in love
To the Believers [Muslims] wilt thou
Find those who say,
"We are Christians" :
Because amongst these are
Men devoted to learning
And men who have renounced
The world, and they
Are not arrogant."


Any other requests, pollard?
I have one: Stop talking about things of which you have no knowledge!

There is not that great a difference in the proclamations (religiously speaking) of Muslims and Christians. All of the prophets Christians proclaim to know are found in the Qur'an, plus Mohammed. They are referred to as Rasools. The stories of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Moses, Joseph, and even Jesus are all in the Qur'an. And the Qur'an does not seek to substitute Mohammed for Jesus or any other such thing. Mohammed is only mentioned a few times, to speak to his finding God and bringing Him and His Word to his people (the Arabs).

Please, as Christians, practice understanding of others. The same goes for Muslims. I do not subscribe to either faith (in fact, I am likely to go to hell according to these scriptures, as I am what you would call a non-believer...), but I have never felt it necessary nor prudent to attempt to shame anyone for their beliefs. In my eyes, you are all entitled to your life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and as long as your quest for such does not infringe on my own, I would gladly accept you as a friend of mine.

When asked by a reporter if he was a Hindu, Mahatma Gandhi once responded, "Yes I am, I am also a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew." Words to live by, if you ask me.

You said you were agnostic....not athiest... Hence, you may question the existance of God, but do not deny there is a God. From what I understand, the difference lies in not believing you have been given enough information to determine that a Divine one exists so you teeter between the acceptance of faith and the denial of faith.

That's different than the athiest where God simply does not exist. You live as a collection of matter and die. The end.

There is a bit of a difference and in my (PERSONAL) opinion I find that those that state they are agnostic eventually find some form of faith as there is always something that prevents them from fully denying the existance of a Divine being.

I for one would rather believe and be wrong than NOT believe.... and be wrong.

You are right in your contrasting of agnosticism and atheism. An atheist I am not. My quarrel with religion lies mostly in dogma and the "character" of God presented in scripture.

And in reference to the idea that one would rather believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong--there have been many books written on this very idea. You may find them to be fascinating. Have you heard of Pascal's Wager? Blaise Pascal is, I believe, the first to fully analyze this conundrum, and he came to the same conclusion you have. He presented four options--1. Believe, and God exists (Heaven), 2. Believe, and God does not exist (nothing), 3. Don't believe, and God exists (Purgatory/hell), and 4. Don't believe, and God does not exist (nothing).

Logically, Pascal's Wager makes sense to me. But spiritually, I worry that if one followed such a pattern of thought, and God exists, He may see it as a half-hearted effort just to reap the rewards of true faith.

Or, what if God only wants to the "morally good" to join Him in heaven? Then, if I am an honest, charitable, and humble person here on earth, but question the existence of God, should I be turned away?

In my opinion, I would rather focus on being a "good person," whatever that may mean to you, than seeking that which I cannot prove. I do not reject totally the existence of a supreme being, call it God if you wish, but I know that it cannot be proven to be true or false. Therefore, I render the question academic in nature, and continue with my life as I see fit.

And, if there is a God, I hope that my good deeds here on Earth will serve for Him to permit me through the pearly gates.

Sha,
Qur'an 5:51]
This verse is often quoted to condemn those who cooperate with nations considered to be Jewish or Christian.

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends..."
This is from the qur'an, By the way good works won't do it.

hey pollard what makes you think you're an expert on Islam?

You aren't.

People spend their whole lives studying the Quran. It's many meanings, its history.

Also, I can cut and paste passages from the Bible to say a lot of things it doesn't really mean.


That's what you've done there.

The verse you quoted is out of context. If you read the whole verse, you would see that it says do not take those Jews and Christians for friends that distort the truth and curse your faith. This is why I cited verses in their entirety. All religious texts contain contradictions and ambiguity. As such, proper citation and translation are of the utmost importance.

And regarding your comment that "good works won't do it," if I live a morally good life of honesty, compassion, humility, and the like--and that is not enough--I would gladly accept hell as "punishment" for living such a life. This is like saying Gandhi is in hell because he did not subscribe to your Christian faith. I am actually sorry you feel this way.

Red,

It's ignorant to say "If you are in this country, you will be held to the same scrutiny and be held accountable just like any other one that commits a crime. Whether you are White, Black, Hispanic, Asian or Muslim doesn't matter."


At the same time asking to treat Muslims differently than others. Why aren't you speaking about the Christian soldiers that have killed their own troops.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact there have been so many Christians that have lost it and killed people, why aren't you going apesh!t trying to badmouth them?


You also keep thinking that all Muslims are immigrants. Um most aren't. Muslims have been in the U.S since the 17th century.

A80,shah
EXCUSE ME a80, everything you write on here is cut and paste. Please feel free to show me in the bible where Jesus say's to hate anyone. If you like you can cut and paste.

Shah, your statement: "All religious texts contain contradictions", you must have taken atheist 101, that seems to be your only argument. Please if you don't believe in a God, then don't quote scripture and tell me what it means. I don't care what the whole text say's, it is what it is.Your comment about Ghandi is correct, please, you need not feel sorry for me.It is I who feels sorry for you.

So the bible says you should love the gays or hate them?



Here are a few excerpts from the bible:

I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

That one isn't too peaceful.


When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)


"Make no treaties with them", "show them no mercy", is this the Bible or the Quran? Oh it's the Bible.

It was my understanding, though I could certainly be mistaken, that the Quran recognizes the law as given to Moses by God. That law contained much more than the 10 commandments; they contained also Torah, Oral Torah, Kabbalah, and more.

Both of the quotations you offer come from the law which was given to Moses by God, which would seem to make them as much of one as the other.

There is certainly violence and conflict in Torah; but it is in a historical context, describing the evolution of a culture and not a precursor to future action.

Just as the apparent contradictions in the Quran seen by the non-Muslim reader are resolvable to the faithful through patient, detailed study and abstraction, so it is with Torah and the Bible.

We could all sit here and throw verses taken out of context at each other and nothing would be resolved, because, lacking context, they also lack any real abstract application.

Amal,
Yep... that's what I figured. My attempt was merely to attempt to rephrase it from another perspective; I don't completely agree with your paradigm, but you made a valid point in that context.

"We could all sit here and throw verses taken out of context at each other and nothing would be resolved, because, lacking context, they also lack any real abstract application."

That's my point.

Listen pollard.

First, I have already stated that I am not an atheist and I do not deny the possible existence of a supreme being. If you need a reference for the difference between atheism and agnosticism, please refer to Write4Life's earlier post, and notice her tone--tolerance of the beliefs of others is all too rare in this world, but she seems to understand this. You should understand that my ability to interpret scripture (or any other book, for that matter) is not inhibited by my choice of creed, or lack thereof.

Second, these are your words: "I don't care what the whole text say's, it is what it is." A quote without context is incomplete, it is nothing. So you prove nothing by only stating partial quotes that were spoon-fed to you by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, etc.

Third, I have reached the conclusion that you are too irrational, illogical, and just plain ignorant for me to argue with you anymore. You just don't get it.

And finally, I do feel sorry for you, whether you like it or not, my friend.

Thank you,
Shahein Moussavi

A80, If you would bother reading what the comment said genuis, WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES JESUS SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HATING ANYONE. Your question about the gays, you seem to have a bible look it up yourself.

Sha, I don't give a crap what you think chief, I get it dude your just to smart. WOW I really admire jerks such as yourself.

Luke 14:25-27

25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

Also...the stuff I quoted earlier, it says the Lord said this and did that. Don't you think Jesus supports and preaches what the Lord has said and done.

But the point to quoting the Bible isn't that the Bible is preaching hate, the point was that things can be distorted to mean whatever I want them to mean.

You know the way you chopped up one segment from a verse and tried to spin it into Muslims being evil.

I can chop up stuff too, but I didn't, I tried to present it in context.



Christians want to kill idol worshippers, and priests. Read this passage, it's proof.

"I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."

That was taken from the bible. Christian Americans need to be reminded that it is a crime to kill. They have killed so many American troops, and innocent Muslims in other countries.

They have a secret Christian Agenda to spread their hate to everyone. You see Christians don't believe in Freedom and rights. They only believe in Jesus. Christian Americans are Christians first and Americans second. Just ask the senator from Indiana.

Christians Hate America. Christians hate gays. Christians hate scientists, and doctors. Christians kill doctors. They also kill gays and colored people.

Most of the world's serial killers are Christians.

Their religion teaches them hate. Hate for everything America and Islam loves.

Easy A80 your ignorance is leaking again.

"I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."

So you admit, that my GOD and your allah are not the same god? If you read that scripture he is threatening his own people.

Oh man A80, your true passion is coming through, YES THAT PEACE LOVING RELIGION, "ISLAM"

You did get one thing right in your mumbling and rhetoric, I do believe in JESUS. Maybe your not as dumb as I think.

A80,
My quote did not come from your book!!!!!!!!! If you would read the statement above it: This verse is often quoted to condemn those who cooperate with nations considered to be Jewish or Christian.

This came from one of your scholars. A80 said people spend years studying and researching your text. All I did was quote one of your scholars dude. So I guess you get to pick and choose who's legit!

Next time before you get so upset and go crazy, RELAX, BREATH-IN, BREATH-OUT.

Also, how about you give up now, Islam doesn't teach you to kill everything that isn't Islam. If you use passages from the Bible and the Quran out of context, just from a single translation, or with the intention to make that religion look back, others can always bring up context, translation and an open mind to counter your ignorance.

It's the point I've been trying to make for the past two days. Islam is just like all other religions. No worse, no better. Its messages can be distorted to meaning many things.

Um you quoted a part of one passage from the Quran, where was the scholar's insight?

"So you admit, that my GOD and your allah are not the same god? If you read that scripture he is threatening his own people"

What the hell are you even talking about? First off, if there is only one God, only one, and if we worship only one God, only One, then it's the same God.

And he's not threatening his own people, he's threatening people that pose like Christians, but still worship idols.

Now where did I say you and me worship different gods?



But you didn't talk about this quote:


"Luke 14:25-27

25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple."


Christians are anti-family!!!!!!!