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In Afghanistan It is time for the slow good bye or we will have another quick get riddance!

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Kabul : Afghanistan | 22 days ago  
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  • Afghanistan as Vietnam
    Afghanistan as Vietnam
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    Afghanistan as Vietnam
  • Afghan women celebrate Karzai's victory over Abdullah Abdullah in the 2009 Afghanistan Presidential election, in a campaign centre in Herat
    Afghan women celebrate Karzai's victory over Abdullah Abdullah in the ...
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  • An Afghan woman smiles as she learns of Hamid Karzai's victory over Abdullah Abdullah in the 2009 Afghanistan Presidential election, in a campaign centre in Herat
    An Afghan woman smiles as she learns of Hamid Karzai's victory over ...
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  • An Afghan woman eats sweet after Karzai's victory over Abdullah Abdullah in the 2009 Afghanistan Presidential election, in a campaign centre in Herat
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Afghanistan as Vietnam

Abdullah's pullout sows new concerns for Obama in Afghanistan, now what? Abdullah as you know by now will not partake in the runoff election.I heard him tell the people not come out and vote in the fraudulent elections then ha said he would not boycott them. Isn't that one and the same?

With none of Abdullah's demands for fair an open met this will or could turn into a one man race. I do not understand. If Karzai honestly believed he is the peoples choice he would insure that the election was rig proof.. Seems obvious to me but there are those who say Abdullah knows he will lose. Yeah because he knows this election too will be a fraud.

Abdullah's decision not to run is final as he is fed up with the lack of transparency and control. He demanded that the so called officials who "surprise" are Karzai people, be fired. Of course they were not and all his requests for a fair election have been ignored so he backed out. I can't say I blame him but now what? Abdullah pullout from Afghan runoff sows new doubt over legitimacy

Human costs, dollars, the monstrous US, NATO, commitment, What are the implications? What does this mean to Afghanistan? What does it mean to Obama's decision of whether or not to add troops? Does Abdullah think about that? He has of late spoken to Britain's Gordon Brown, Hillary, Kerry and even Obama. He knows how critical a a certified election is to the future of Afghan and maybe most importantly to us and Obama. ANALYSIS - us looks to work with, and around, Karzai

Like you I believe Abdullah is right saying the runoff will be as corrupt as the first election with Karzai insisting on no real oversight and the refusal to replace the corrupt voting officials but what now? I do not know what to think about this but Hillary said the election will still be legitimate because Abdullah did not object before when the runoff was agreed to by Karzai.

Sounds to me like that is merely an excuse for legitimacy so we can move forward. Supposedly it will not affect Obama's decision but it better! Think about this: We know that some one million fraudulent votes were thrown out the first time. If true as we believe then 1 million votes would have to be fraudulent this time or the truth as to who really should have been elected would be glaring. Hmm!

The Taliban have already boycotted the elections. Abdullah said no one will get in the way of our Democracy. He said he is not boycotting the election but that is exactly what he is doing. He said no one will get in the way of our free and Democratic election but what does he call his actions? At this point both Abdullah and Karzai have negated any such thing as free and democratic elections. After he announced he will not participate in the runoff who knows what will happen next.

Abdullah: Afghanistan will survive that I am sure! My question: Yeah but in what form? Total chaos? I would be lying if I said I cared because they do not and I do not. We should get the heck out! Thanks to Bush whose lack of concern for our troops and Afghanistan displayed by abandoning them so he could attack Iraq he created in Afghanistan Obama's Vietnam. What to do now?

What we should do after the people get their central Government if that is what they want and not what Karzai wants is go home: I reiterate that Our soldiers did their job send them home. Unless their job is to create as many enemies as possible which is all they are doing in Afghanistan get them out. Getting rid of Al Qaeda and eliminating their Afghan safe haven was supposed to be the goal not building a puppet Government like in Vietnam.

Think! Do it the right way! Refocus the mission! After 8 years of mismanagement under Bush it is right that Obama take time think and listen to good advice not war mongering Republicans. Listen to Max Cleland who has learned the lessons of Vietnam the hard way. Listen to Biden! Listen to McCain, then think about it and do the right thing.

They may be now but the Taliban was not the enemy Al Qaeda was and is they attacked us not the Taliban. We keep hearing the Taliban are resurging. Who the hell cares as long as they stay in Afghanistan. THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY! At least they weren't! Or is the friggen goal to see how many Muslim's we can get to fight us? Get out and Monitor them with drones.

Work on Al Qaeda around the world! Afghanistan and the Taliban as I said were not the enemy though they may be now! Karzai is using us so he can steal Afghanistan for him and his brother! We do not need a hundred years ground war unless keeping our military and a war going in Afghanistan is how they plan on saving and driving our economy! I have faith whatever he decides, Obama will do the right thing no matter how unpalatable it may be! When all is said and done it is time for the slow good bye!

Abdullah wants to see Afghanistan move forward but how do they? He was asked what Obama should do and he said we should be increasingly involved. BS! All I heard from him was a lot of gobbledygook wishy washy say nothing babbling and running around the subject. Bush did not but Obama better have learned from Vietnam in that escalating in a country whose fraudulent Government the people do not support or want. It is time for the slow good bye or we will have another quick get riddance!

James Joiner

Gardner, Ma

http://www.anaveragepatriot.com/

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Posted By mashkem mashkem | 21 days ago
wow! thats big stuff
Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | 21 days ago
Hi Mashkem! I heard an expert say today the people are happy it is over and one source of corruption is as good as the next. We did what we first intended. We should get out,. watch the country, and let them do as they will as long as they do not bother us!
Posted By ChasePannell ChasePannell | 21 days ago
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Posted By AhmedKareem AhmedKareem | 21 days ago
yeah i agree with that comment too
Posted By MasonTaylor MasonTaylor | 21 days ago
MMhm.. major. Totally agree that it is.
Posted By Shirley66 Shirley66 | 21 days ago
I think a slow good bye is practical.
Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | 21 days ago
I agree Shirley! We did our job, get out while the getting is good. If we hang there we will only join the graveyard of Nations, period!
Posted By mllovric mllovric | 20 days ago
As from the last news report from Australia last night, IT IS NOW GOOD BYE
TO THE AFGHAN DEMOCRACY, Hamid Karzai has been declared as the elected president because there are no contenders for a run off election. THE RUN
OFF ELECTION WILL NOT BE HELD and it was accepted by UNITED NATIONS because it would be a waste of money. The news reader said, THE PEOPLE HAVE LOST, KARZAI DIDN'T WIN, THE ONLY WINNERS ARE THE TALIBAN BECAUSE NO
ELECTION WILL GO ON FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. This gives Hamid Karzai another term in office. 4/11/2009.
Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | 20 days ago
I heard an expert say the people are happy it is over and one source of corruption is as good as the next. We did what we first intended. We should get out,. watch the country, and let them do as they will as long as they do not bother us!
Posted By TomCat TomCat | 18 days ago
We need to remember that the only reason Bush appointed Karzai as puppet President there is that he was a Unocal employee.
Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | 17 days ago
Yhep! Install another unpopular corrupt President. We learned a lot from Vietnam didn't we.

Hey Tom the right is always calling Obama a Fascist, he is not as bad as Bush but look at today's post and see what you think. You don't have to comment.

I have someone doing a reinstall tomorrow so I will be down a day or two but I will be back!
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