In Obama, a president with dignity
Despite what some conservatives say, we now have a president of whom we can be proud.
Doing something that his predecessor never did in eight years in office, President Barack Obama made an after-midnight visit to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware Friday night to welcome home the fallen dead from the war in Afghanistan.
He was somber and dignified, and he showed America that he understands the other side of the decision he is making whether to send more American troops into harm's way in Afghanistan.
Not only did his predecessor never visit Dover for one of these ceremonies, he also banned media coverage of the returning coffins. We don't need to speculate why.
Doing her best to be America's most disagreeable woman, former vice presidential daughter Liz Cheney argued that Obama had made the trip for publicity and that his predecessor had simply avoided the media.
She's lying. Obama's predecessor never once went to Dover, nor did Ms. Cheney's father. They were satisfied just to send troops into the meat grinder; they didn't want to see what came back.
Sorry if I sound bitter. I was opposed to the war in Iraq from the beginning, and I absolutely don't see why we're still fighting in Afghanistan years after Al Qaeda abandoned it for Pakistan.
War is a very serious thing.
Old men send young people to war and young people die.
That's why I am very proud we have a president who at least has the dignity to honor their sacrifice.
Unlike the man who sent them there in the first place.
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The conservatives were quick to criticize Obama for paying this incredible homage to the fallen troops and their families, by saying he was just after the publicity and that it should have been done off camera, with no public exposure.
If he had done it without media coverage, they would have accused him of being secretive, and trying to cover up the ravages of war to US soldiers and families.
Obama stayed there until he met with every single family, before he flew back to the White House in the pre-dawn hours.
The president, with dozens of political fires-to-stomp out and very grave policy decisions to make every single day on a global level, including Afghanistan--took the time to pay this incredible honor, and still got criticized for it from the right.
President Obama may not be a perfect man or leader, but he is the closest thing we have had for quite some time.
If he had done it without media coverage, they would have accused him of being secretive, and trying to cover up the ravages of war to US soldiers and families.
Obama stayed there until he met with every single family, before he flew back to the White House in the pre-dawn hours.
The president, with dozens of political fires-to-stomp out and very grave policy decisions to make every single day on a global level, including Afghanistan--took the time to pay this incredible honor, and still got criticized for it from the right.
President Obama may not be a perfect man or leader, but he is the closest thing we have had for quite some time.
Delilah,
While my feelings about this are probably a bit different from yours, you make a good point, in that he, or really any President in that position would be damned if he did, and damned if he didn't. In any case, I think that what he did was a good thing, regardless of his motivation.
While my feelings about this are probably a bit different from yours, you make a good point, in that he, or really any President in that position would be damned if he did, and damned if he didn't. In any case, I think that what he did was a good thing, regardless of his motivation.
I agree that Obama is now, and will remain, a President we can be proud of. It's quite refreshing compared to the last administration. What an upgrade.
I agree, but "upgrade" is an understatement in comparing Bush to Obama; a man who is intelligent, articulate, and can actually string two sentences together without tripping over his tongue vs someone of average intelligence, who barely graduated college, and couldn't even pronounce the word "nuclear" correctly.
The change is demonstrable on so many levels, one hardly knows where to begin.
The change is demonstrable on so many levels, one hardly knows where to begin.
Where's the upgrade? Looks like Bush reruns to me... big government, big deficits, big ego... where's the change?
Hey, at least we got rid of that damn smirk.
I agree with CalifoniaMike
Delilah, you are a delight and have a wonderful way with words. I admire you.
WordSlinger, thanks so much for the compliment. It takes me off guard, because I am used to being the target of everyone's criticism.
I like your artcles, too. Thanks again. DS
I like your artcles, too. Thanks again. DS
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Possibly the strangest comment I have ever received.
Your pride threshold is a tad low. Your assertions need much rogain.
Thanks Mike.
Obama needs to step up and bring our troops home.
JerrySatire
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Obama needs to step up and bring our troops home.
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California Mike:
Would you please define in your own words what you continue to describe as a "conservative" when it is the British definition of conservatism that is clearly what you are referring to ala Fox News and Rupert Murdoch's version.
And also, once again, the mainstream media publication that you also formerly wrote for. And it might also help to know the country of your origin, since you clearly have really no concept of American government or history whatsoever.
And another of the California global socialists ala Arnold Schwartzenegger and Gray Davis.
And you do have to be kidding. Is Obama not carrying out the Bush plan for the unconstitutional war we now continue to be involved in, and is clearly no Constitutional lawyer whatsoever, at least in the American definition of it.
Would you please define in your own words what you continue to describe as a "conservative" when it is the British definition of conservatism that is clearly what you are referring to ala Fox News and Rupert Murdoch's version.
And also, once again, the mainstream media publication that you also formerly wrote for. And it might also help to know the country of your origin, since you clearly have really no concept of American government or history whatsoever.
And another of the California global socialists ala Arnold Schwartzenegger and Gray Davis.
And you do have to be kidding. Is Obama not carrying out the Bush plan for the unconstitutional war we now continue to be involved in, and is clearly no Constitutional lawyer whatsoever, at least in the American definition of it.
Ross, you remind me of someone who loves to talk but hates to listen. You obviously have never bothered reading my responses to your requests for information. Let me clue you in: Go back and find the information I gave you. I'm not giving it to you again.
Country of origin? Now you're starting to sound dangerous. You think maybe I'm one of those liberal commies who sneaked into this country from Mother Russia to overthrow Tail Gunner Joe.
Ross, this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your comments. Nearly everyone who posts here understands that you are ill in some way, so please, get help.
I was born and raised in the good old USA.
Country of origin? Now you're starting to sound dangerous. You think maybe I'm one of those liberal commies who sneaked into this country from Mother Russia to overthrow Tail Gunner Joe.
Ross, this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your comments. Nearly everyone who posts here understands that you are ill in some way, so please, get help.
I was born and raised in the good old USA.
And the fact that you stated, once again" that "nearly everyone who posts here understands...." blah, blah, blah, tends again to support my position.
You even use socialism and marginalization in order to avert the actual questions and true information which has been posted. Which is the Global Socialists also ploy.
And as I said, since this publication originates in California, and most of those on here are also from California, Massachusetts, or those other communistic leaning states, your evaluation of my mental and physical well being is far from the truth and another political spin.
I am outraged, as now about 85% of the American people, at last count, was.
So it would appear those in your corner may be the "ill" ones, after all. Whoever they might be, since you didn't also appear to feel that in making such a comment, to also at least disclose your affilations in that respect.
You even use socialism and marginalization in order to avert the actual questions and true information which has been posted. Which is the Global Socialists also ploy.
And as I said, since this publication originates in California, and most of those on here are also from California, Massachusetts, or those other communistic leaning states, your evaluation of my mental and physical well being is far from the truth and another political spin.
I am outraged, as now about 85% of the American people, at last count, was.
So it would appear those in your corner may be the "ill" ones, after all. Whoever they might be, since you didn't also appear to feel that in making such a comment, to also at least disclose your affilations in that respect.
Ross, you remind me of someone who loves to talk but hates to listen. You obviously have never bothered reading my responses to your requests for information. Let me clue you in: Go back and find the information I gave you. I'm not giving it to you again.
Country of origin? Now you're starting to sound dangerous. You think maybe I'm one of those liberal commies who sneaked into this country from Mother Russia to overthrow Tail Gunner Joe.
Ross, this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your comments. Nearly everyone who posts here understands that you are ill in some way, so please, get help.
I was born and raised in the good old USA.
Country of origin? Now you're starting to sound dangerous. You think maybe I'm one of those liberal commies who sneaked into this country from Mother Russia to overthrow Tail Gunner Joe.
Ross, this is the last time I will ever respond to one of your comments. Nearly everyone who posts here understands that you are ill in some way, so please, get help.
I was born and raised in the good old USA.
And as a matter of fact, since we have taken in a number of political refugees during World War II and progressively since due to those global socialism agendas, my question insofar as you heritage is not without foundation.
Since most of the Mexicans in this country are actually not "heart" Americans but Mexicans still in theiir loyalties. As are many of the refugees from Eastern Europe even to this day that immigrated during World War II.
And the Vietnamese, Bosnians and all those others now living in this country due to the global socialists world government agendas, of the communistic beliefs and leanings, including many of the Askanezi's who claim Judaism as their religion, but is not the same as that practiced at all in biblical times but is a Germanic-Eastern European version that has little basis in actual biblical foundations whatsoever.
So the question is a valid one, since this is a country of refugees originally, and has thus remained while the Europeans and Middle Eastern countries use the Americans in order to fight their wars more and more.
Since most of the Mexicans in this country are actually not "heart" Americans but Mexicans still in theiir loyalties. As are many of the refugees from Eastern Europe even to this day that immigrated during World War II.
And the Vietnamese, Bosnians and all those others now living in this country due to the global socialists world government agendas, of the communistic beliefs and leanings, including many of the Askanezi's who claim Judaism as their religion, but is not the same as that practiced at all in biblical times but is a Germanic-Eastern European version that has little basis in actual biblical foundations whatsoever.
So the question is a valid one, since this is a country of refugees originally, and has thus remained while the Europeans and Middle Eastern countries use the Americans in order to fight their wars more and more.
And you may have been born in the "good old USA" but your political views are socialistic and also more communistic, and that is clear by your positions.
And insofar as ill, I think you might need one of those "new age" treatments California is so famous for, since it also is home to more psychiatrists by far than any other state in the entire nation.
And insofar as ill, I think you might need one of those "new age" treatments California is so famous for, since it also is home to more psychiatrists by far than any other state in the entire nation.
No, you haven't as far as I can go in my search insofar as your former employer, and I have searched (however, this site inaccurately also has a tendency to also exaggerate the number of comments and also apparently the circulation of these articles).
So, maybe you could send a heads up once again, so at least we know where and who is funding much of the inaccurate information you continue to post.
Since I am still waiting for your definitions of conservatives, since you did refer to the Vietnam protestors and others as "liberals" who were not in any manner whatseover, but actually conservatives. American conservatives, not the British variety.
So, maybe you could send a heads up once again, so at least we know where and who is funding much of the inaccurate information you continue to post.
Since I am still waiting for your definitions of conservatives, since you did refer to the Vietnam protestors and others as "liberals" who were not in any manner whatseover, but actually conservatives. American conservatives, not the British variety.
Again, please define your understanding of "conservatives" in your California global socialist venacular....and also the former mainstream media publication you wrote for.
Since you are along the lines of all those California Global Socialists that have created much of the situation and bankruptcy of this country with your actual communistic views.
Since you are along the lines of all those California Global Socialists that have created much of the situation and bankruptcy of this country with your actual communistic views.
Although having said that, I believe as with Bush, that Mr. Obama is merely the patsy that was put in office and is being also manipulated by the puppet masters - the foreign central bankers pulling his strings in order to corner the world's and each country's wealth which has been their aim for centuries as those who have funded both sides of wars, and instigated them for such purposes.
And who view Israel as nothing more than another real estate venture and investment, and zionism has nothing at all to do with actual Jewish faith of the patriarchs in any manner whatsoever.
And those fundamentalists Christians now also being used to suit their agendas, using biblical inaccuracies in order to facilitate those ends.
This has been written about and also known by many at least in this country for decades - and for which much energy and expense has gone to silence and marginalize those speaking the truth about this "regression" as far as the U.S. and its intended form of government is concerned.
Since it was, after all, Britain that entered into that Balfour Doctrine and agreement prior to even World War I, after all, not this country at all.
And who view Israel as nothing more than another real estate venture and investment, and zionism has nothing at all to do with actual Jewish faith of the patriarchs in any manner whatsoever.
And those fundamentalists Christians now also being used to suit their agendas, using biblical inaccuracies in order to facilitate those ends.
This has been written about and also known by many at least in this country for decades - and for which much energy and expense has gone to silence and marginalize those speaking the truth about this "regression" as far as the U.S. and its intended form of government is concerned.
Since it was, after all, Britain that entered into that Balfour Doctrine and agreement prior to even World War I, after all, not this country at all.
Pollard, Ms. Ross gets under everyone's skin, because she is a serial comment spammer, who writes delusional, redundent rhetoric.
She has left eight messages on this comment thread and Mike has answered her ridiculous questions before on several occasions, as I have on mine in the past. So, I just started ignoring any comment she put on my stuff.
I am not saying this to be mean or condescending, but I think Ross has a paranoid delusional mental disorder and should seriously get some help.
She has left eight messages on this comment thread and Mike has answered her ridiculous questions before on several occasions, as I have on mine in the past. So, I just started ignoring any comment she put on my stuff.
I am not saying this to be mean or condescending, but I think Ross has a paranoid delusional mental disorder and should seriously get some help.
Ross is a she, Pollard, and while I won't answer her anymore, I will answer you.
I just get tired of saying the same stuff over and over again. I spent the last 18 years of my career working for the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, a suburban paper based in Ontario, California, outside Los Angeles.
I was a columnist for five years and business editor for five years.
I just get tired of saying the same stuff over and over again. I spent the last 18 years of my career working for the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, a suburban paper based in Ontario, California, outside Los Angeles.
I was a columnist for five years and business editor for five years.
Of course it's easy for Obama to look dignified after Bush and Clinton two goofballs who made the White House a bad joke. The greeting the coffins thing will only work if he does it only once. Still I am uncomfortable with the bodies of fallen soldiers being used for political gain by anybody. I just hope this doesn't turn every military funeral and every returning coffin into a media circus.
If that were the reason, I would agree with you, but I believe that war presidents learned the lesson of Vietnam, which is that if you keep the coffins out of the news, people will not be outraged.
I believe that it is important for Americans to understand that there is a human cost to "shock and awe."
I believe that it is important for Americans to understand that there is a human cost to "shock and awe."
The lesson of Vietnam is that if you sit on your hands, don't escalate, and don't get out, for fear of making a political faux pas, body bags get filled, and the public never forgives, and never forgets.
If the economy isn't markedly improved, and health care reform is less perfect than the current administration promotes it to be, and Afghanistan is still lingering when 2012 comes around, Obama very likely won't be, regardless of who the Republicans run against him. I think, in all fairness, that's as it should be.
If the same is true, even as early as 2010, the same can probably be said for a number of Democratic members of Congress.
I think that even casual students of history, economics, and modern warfare would agree that in the end, there is a human cost for everything...
The reckoning could come even earlier for Democratic members of Congress.
If the economy isn't markedly improved, and health care reform is less perfect than the current administration promotes it to be, and Afghanistan is still lingering when 2012 comes around, Obama very likely won't be, regardless of who the Republicans run against him. I think, in all fairness, that's as it should be.
If the same is true, even as early as 2010, the same can probably be said for a number of Democratic members of Congress.
I think that even casual students of history, economics, and modern warfare would agree that in the end, there is a human cost for everything...
The reckoning could come even earlier for Democratic members of Congress.
The Afghan war has similarities to Vietnam, only because of the similarities inherent in every war.
The major differences are the fact that Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11, but we were not attacked by Vietnam. And the Vietnam vets were spit on and called "baby killers", when they came home from fighting a war that was not of their choice.
Now, we have a president, who chooses to lead by example to respect our military and to attend a very sobering ceremony at Dover to honor the fallen soldiers.
All the prognostications about what Obama has to do or not do in order to be re-elected after he has only been in office for ten months is just a waste of time. There are a jizillion things that could happen in the next three years.
The major differences are the fact that Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11, but we were not attacked by Vietnam. And the Vietnam vets were spit on and called "baby killers", when they came home from fighting a war that was not of their choice.
Now, we have a president, who chooses to lead by example to respect our military and to attend a very sobering ceremony at Dover to honor the fallen soldiers.
All the prognostications about what Obama has to do or not do in order to be re-elected after he has only been in office for ten months is just a waste of time. There are a jizillion things that could happen in the next three years.
I just find these two things, so ironic, not that their aren't more but for the sake of arguement, let's use just two.
Why did the media alway's have a BODY COUNT: Is that respectful to our fallen soldiers and their family?
The Vietnam war is and was not a matter of were we or weren,t we right, but how the politicians, Generals and even presidents were tying our hands there, the exact samething is happening now.
So please don't try telling us there are major differences, War is War, it was and still is a winnable conflict, just untie the soldier and let him fight with both hands.
One other thing there are people here today that would spit on our soldiers if given the chance.
Why did the media alway's have a BODY COUNT: Is that respectful to our fallen soldiers and their family?
The Vietnam war is and was not a matter of were we or weren,t we right, but how the politicians, Generals and even presidents were tying our hands there, the exact samething is happening now.
So please don't try telling us there are major differences, War is War, it was and still is a winnable conflict, just untie the soldier and let him fight with both hands.
One other thing there are people here today that would spit on our soldiers if given the chance.
Interesting comment, Pollard, but winnable? I'm not sure.
Afghanistan is a country very ill-suited to our particular military, and don't forget that the Russians, the English and Alexander the Great all came a cropper there.
And what exactly are we trying to win?
Afghanistan is a country very ill-suited to our particular military, and don't forget that the Russians, the English and Alexander the Great all came a cropper there.
And what exactly are we trying to win?
He got the consent of one family out of 18 at Dover to be photographed. Would he have been there otherwise? Bush regularly met with families of casualties in private, but declined to make the reception of their loved ones' remains into a media event. More power to him for that. Dignity is more than a somber-looking pose for a camera.
"He" didn't get permission from the families--the military got permission and Obama made sure they didn't know he was going to be present, when the families were asked if they wanted their loved one's casket photographed--in order not to influence their decision.
You can slice it any way you want, but Obama has more class in his little pinky finger than Bush has in his whole being.
You can slice it any way you want, but Obama has more class in his little pinky finger than Bush has in his whole being.
And their decision was, 17 out of 18 didn't want the casket photographed at all. No. 18 wanted the casket photographed, and Obama jumped into the shot. Slice that any way you want, but class?!--Hah.
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