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Leading Conservative Group: Aiding Gay Seniors A Waste

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Washington : DC : USA | 26 days ago  
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The Family Research Council (FRC), a conservative organization, has released a statement claiming the efforts by the Obama administration to assist senior citizens in the Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgender (LGBT) community are a waste of time and effort.

The primary reason the effort is a waste of time and money is because “these people are less likely to live long enough to become senior citizens”.

That statement is just a part of the statement made by FRC’s Tony Perkins.

Here is the quote in a larger context, so that no one can claim the quote was used out of context:

Apparently, our nation is never too broke to advance a radical social agenda. The agency released a statement on the [the LGBT Resource Center] last week, saying its purpose would be to "help community-based organizations understand the unique needs... of older LGBT individuals and assist them in implementing programs for local service providers..." In the release, HHS regurgitates the Left's propaganda to justify the waste, claiming that "1.5 to 4 million" LGBTs are age 60 and older. In reality, HHS has no idea how many LGBT seniors exist. No one does! The movement is only a few decades old, and people who are 80- or 90-years-old didn't grow up in a culture where it was acceptable to identify with this lifestyle.

Of course, the real tragedy here--apart from the unnecessary spending--is that, given the risks of homosexual conduct, these people are less likely to live long enough to become senior citizens! Yet once again, the Obama administration is rushing to reward a lifestyle that poses one of the greatest public health risks in America. If this is how HHS prioritizes, imagine what it could do with a trillion dollar health care overhaul!

There are quite a few problems with that statement.

First problem with the statement is just because the LGBT movement started a “few decades ago” doesn’t mean no LGBT people existed prior to the movement. The “gays” have been around since at least biblical times, I don’t think the FRC can deny that, unless of course the Bible was wrong.

The statement wants you to think the government estimates are incorrect, and there’s no possible way there could be that many LGBT people around because the movement is only decades old and the elderly wouldn’t come out and claim to be gay because they grew up in a time when coming out was not “acceptable”.

Right.

The range the government numbers gave themselves is from 1.5 million to 4 million people. That’s a large range. I think the government has given themselves a sufficient margin of error to work with in their estimations.

The FRC does not state their estimations on how many seniors may be gay. It just tries to discredit the government’s estimations, without any evidence or an estimation of their own.

The other thing this statement tries to do is make you believe that gays, because they have a lot of gay sex and most of the gays have AIDS, die before they even become seniors. That claim was made by a widely discredited doctor, many years ago, that no one besides hate groups and anyone desperate to deny gays any kind of right and assistance use.

FRC is one of those groups.

The “doctor” that has made that claim is Paul Cameron. He has, in the past, called for “tattooing AIDS patients in the face, and banishment to a former leper colony for any patient who resisted. He has called for gay bars to be closed and gays to be registered with the government.”

He has also said that there may be a need to call for the “extermination of homosexuals”. You know, because they have gay sex and have AIDS.

Those comments were made at a Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) meeting, the same kind of meeting where Ann Coulter called John Edwards a “f*****”.

Paul Cameron has been “kicked out of the American Psychological Association and the American Sociological Association for being an unethical extremist” since making these statements, among others.

But his research and statements continue to be used for reference by conservatives groups trying to lobby Congress and Washington to deny Americans their rights. Conservative groups like the Family Research Council and media organizations like The Hill, Fox News, Limblah blah blah have at one point or another used Cameron’s views as fact.

Let’s assume it is true that gay men, because of their chances of acquiring AIDS is higher than the average hetero male’s chances (which can also be debated, but let’s run with it), die sooner than straight men, logically the claim that the LGBT community doesn’t have too many seniors still doesn’t make sense.

The gay men are just one of the letters in the term LGBT. They are just the G.

The truth is, HIV and AIDS are more likely to spread through any community that has a lot of promiscuous and unsafe sex. In this day and age that could be anyone and everyone.

To assume that only the gay community’s life expectancy is affected by AIDS and HIV is just being ignorant and prejudice.

Another point that was trying to be made by the FRC’s statement was that it is a waste of money to try and help the gay senior’s community. How is it a waste of money if you claim there really aren’t any seniors that are gay? If there aren’t any gay seniors, then the money will just sit around for a while and then will be used for something else instead.

Either way, the Family Research Council is just being stupid.

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Posted By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 26 days ago
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Posted By pollard pollard | 26 days ago
A80,
You've drank way to much of the liberal Kool-aid, what would you say if there was a non-gay home? I know what you would say, it would be RACIST.
It's like your number, 1.5 to 4 million? That's like obama saying while running for president there are 56 million uninsured americans, then the number dropped to 42 million, then the number dropped to 38 million and the latest was 32 million. Most researcher's, have said this number is more like 10 to 12 million. So much for your numbers!
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 26 days ago
you don't even know what you're talking about.

The total uninsured in the country are 42 million. Cut out the estimates of illegals, the number drops to 38 million. the healthreform plan that is the most liberal will cover 32 million.

I don't even know where you're getting the 10 - 12 million number from, but there are more than that unemployed right now and a lot of the employed don't even have health insurance.

seriously man, I think you suffer from dyxlexia or something.


That or you're just stupid.

Now do you have anything to say that is relevant to this article?

"what would you say if there was a non-gay home?"

I'd say they were discriminating, and the definition of discriminating would defend my claim.

Gay isn't a race, dumb@$$.

As of 2009 there are an estimated 39 million seniors (65 and older) in the country.

Now depending on which of the two most widely respected studies done of the homosexual population the ratio of gays to straight is either 1 in 10 or 1 in 20.

Now you go and do the math.

By next year the population of seniors should be well above 40 million, thereby raising the amount of gay seniors as well.
Posted By firesisle firesisle | 25 days ago
Treating people like human beings, is never a waste of time, regardless of how many there may be. LGBT seniors do have issues to deal with, as to all seniors. How can assisting them be a waste of time?

In the end, people are just people, regardless of what they do when they turn out the lights. Nobody deserves to be singled out and treated differently, merely because they live in a society that has been culturally programmed to be homophobic.

Our Constitution was based on the idea of individual rights, and sexual preference was not listed as an exception.
Reply By jnkasper jnkasper | 25 days ago
"Nobody deserves to be singled out and treated differently.."

~Really? Then why do we (the hard working American taxpayers) have to foot the bill for all these special protections an programs?

"...merely because they live in a society that has been culturally programmed to be homophobic."

~So, let me see if I got this straight. Anyone who chooses to honor their traditional viewpoint and ideals is homophobic?

That logic is so convoluted, it's frightening...though certainly not surprising.
Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 25 days ago
I completely agree firesisle - well stated.

Amal - good report -

On the subject of the true # of unisured...Estimates say nearly 17 million opt out due to their income as well. They are opting out by choice not because they do not have access.

Some people would rather eat out every night than pay for health insurance.

The biggest flaw with the current proposals... that these people can still do this, but they will pay a fine. However, the difference if the legislation passes is that should they become seriously ill, they can then purchase insurance to cover the sickness and rates can not reflect that they waited by choice. This will lead to that number increasing for sure.

If you become sick THEN buy insurance - if you're not - pay the fine. I don't see that as a solution to the current problems.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 25 days ago
Well the people that don't buy insurance will be getting fined, so money will come from there. And yes when they get sick they may end up buying insurance then, but once they do, they are stuck with it. And then they make payments like everyone else, even they are no longer sick.
Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 25 days ago
WRONG - Read firesisle's article and the comments - That fine won't do ANYTHING to deter anyone from dropping insurance until they get sick. It is a pissing pot compared to premiums and a family is better off paying the fine than buying insurance and only getting it when the need (if) arises.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4514839-harry-reid-and-nancy-pelosi-will-never-go-along-with-this
Reply By firesisle firesisle | 25 days ago
As usual, spot on the money Mary Ann; the real number of uninsured is so ridiculously smaller than the numbers being used by the administration that, by itself, it seriously taxes the credibility of the plans that have been offered. It's not like the facts aren't out there. Its just easier for some to choose to believe the inflated numbers to validate their obsession with a "public option".
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 25 days ago
Thank you for the comment Firesisle.
Posted By pollard pollard | 25 days ago
A80.
Why must you resort to cursing, are you not educated enough to understand it makes you look like an idiot. Your the one who made the comment about paying off your college loans, so I take it you have at least attended a classroom.
I never said it was a waste of time assisting anyone, what I'm saying why must you liberal democrat's always break everything down into race or orientation. Apparently your no math major, It's fact their are at least 15 million illegals in this country with no insurance, some estimate 20 million. There's more than 4 million illegals in the south alone. So before you start throwing accusations around and writing false post, try expanding your narrow little mind and looking outside the realm of the HUNTINGTON POST.
As for the elderly, it was your party that spent their(and mine) money back in the early nineties, to pay off debt, it was your party that wrote the I.O.U to social security, do you not remember? Oh wait, I bet your momma was still wiping the crap off your rearend, of course you don't remember.
So, lets see genuis, it's your math that doesn't add up. You can argue with me until your blue in the face moron, but I will not forget the comment you made about our troops dying and you could care less. I know where you stand. Apparently you get your news from this turkish news reporter or what ever it is you get from youtube. That's real unbiased news.....
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 25 days ago
"Why must you resort to cursing, are you not educated enough to understand it makes you look like an idiot."

oh...curse words makes you feel stupid?

"what I'm saying why must you liberal democrat's always break everything down into race or orientation."

The story is about FRC saying something stupid about gay people. You can't talk about gay people, without talking about gay people.

why do you conservatives get so riled up when race and orientation is discussed?

" It's fact their are at least 15 million illegals in this country with no insurance"

No that's not fact. The fact is there are `15 million illegals (not really). Illegals are allowed to buy private insurance, and many do. There are also illegals using fake names to get jobs. They also get insurance from those jobs.

"So before you start throwing accusations around and writing false post, try expanding your narrow little mind and looking outside the realm of the HUNTINGTON POST"

Yeah, um I wrote an article on illegal aliens long before you joined this site, so I'll let that one pass. My research for that article was done using the census, Pew institute, Public Policy Institute of Cali., FAIR, and quite a few other sources.

"As for the elderly, it was your party that spent their(and mine) money back in the early nineties, to pay off debt, it was your party that wrote the I.O.U to social security, do you not remember?"

yeah I do, I also remeber that paying off debt was a good thing. I also remember that taking the money left over from social security is something people have been doing since long before the 90s, so it isn't just the Dems that have given IOUs to social security.

And I also remember that I have written about making social security a "lock box". Look up the term.

I know more about goverment, economics, politics and just about everything else than you do and so does any high school kid that paid attention in a modern history class or a political science class.

"I will not forget the comment you made about our troops dying "

oh yeah, what did I say?

"Apparently you get your news from this turkish news reporter"

That guy is American, moron. A "Young Turk" is a political expression for a newcomer to politics that shakes things up. Again, as stated previously, I know more than you do about politics and government so why don't you try your hand at something you know, instead of trying to outsmart me. You can not.

So I'm assuming based on all the back and forth we have done that you are definitely they type of person I end up ridiculing in my articles. You are the Larry Whitten of this website. And if you don't know who he is, look it up.


As far as Math, you really should learn things about people before you talk about them.

I was a Math major for 3 years, while being a math major, I studied economics. I spent an entire semester doing derivatives. After my third year studying economics and math, I decided that what I was being taught was wrong and evil, and so I switched majors.

And years later when the economy crashed, I was vindicated that with my decision correct.

Since changing majors I have had a minor in philosophy and ethics and have double majored in political science and journalism.

Currently I am working on the journalism.

What are your credentials? What makes you such an expert?
Posted By pollard pollard | 25 days ago
No curse words make you look stupid, moron. according to all your past post you've done just about everything there is to do, and apparently failed at it.
Read your own post idiot, your math is off about 25 million mr math major, and by reading your comments, your certainly going to flunk journalism. So do you even pay taxes? Do you even work?

I was a Math major for 3 years, while being a math major, I studied economics. I spent an entire semester doing derivatives. After my third year studying economics and math, I decided that what I was being taught was wrong and evil, and so I switched majors.
You didn't have a liberal professor.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 24 days ago
"Read your own post idiot, your math is off about 25 million mr math major"

Off with what the seniors numbers or the insured numbers.

The seniors numbers 39 mil. If you are using the 1:10 ration, you divide the 39 mil by 10. you get 3.9 mil (if you round up)which is approxiamately 4 million possible gay seniors (high end estimate).

If you use the 1:20 ratio, it's 39 mil. divided by 20. That is 1.95 mil...subtract the possible subtract the possible dead from AIDS and such you get the low end estimation at about 1.4 million.

My seniors estimates are done using 65 and older numbers. The programs to help the LGBT seniors are for people that are 60 and older. So the number could be even higher on the high end estimates.



The health numbers are all numbers that you used, the numbers I used are in my older post.


"by reading your comments, your certainly going to flunk journalism. So do you even pay taxes? Do you even work?"

It's funny to tell someone that get all with a 3.8 GPA that they are going to flunk.

Do I pay taxes? Do I have a job?

Homie you've already asked me to show my loyalty to this country because I'm Muslim. Now you're asking me if I pay taxes. I've been working since I was 14. I started paying taxes when I was 15. I intern at the research department for CAIR and I have a job at Chase.

I sleep about 4 hours a night.

I work hard. I've worked hard all my life. You kind of have to if you are an immigrant. People like you don't make anything easy for us.

I didn't join the football team, I didn't chase cheerleaders, I didn't waste my time with drugs, I worked. I enjoyed life as much as I could, but I've been going to school and working since I was 14.

"You didn't have a liberal professor."

There you go talking about crap you know nothing about. The crap you learn in economics classes is bullcrap. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, I had both kinds of teachers and they ultimatley taught the same kind of crap because the economics department is the one that controls what is taught in class.

And what they taught is exactly the thing that lead us into this economy. There were signs that we should stop and regulate the markets when I took my intro class for economics. My teacher told us about all these signs about how something big and bad was going to happen. That the numbers were all pointing to it.

And then as I moved up, I was being told that nothing is wrong, everything is fine, just make all the money you can, while you can and if the economy collapse, don't worry it won't there are a lot of regualtions in place to stop a recession.

And even if a recession happens, if you make all the money you can while you can, you'll have money for when things turn for the worst. So don't think about the long term, just make all the money you can right now.

And then they gave you case studies that were chalked with holes and wanted you to believe that what they were teaching you is the fact and there were no errors. That was all BS.

I've had liberal professors and conservatives professors. It's the topic that matters. Not everything is liberal and conservatives.

Have you taken any classes in economics or business or math or computers? There are a lot of conservatives that are teachers in those subjects.

In fact if you are an economics student in and around Chicago, what you are taught is mostly influenced by Milton Friedman. He's one of you guys.
Posted By pollard pollard | 25 days ago
I'm not like you, I have never claimed to be an expert. You seem to have all these answers to the worlds problems. You seem to know everything, what are you a professional student?

You can have all the book smarts in the world and still be dumb as dirt.
actually, your insults mean a lot less since you have said what you did in your comments. So it is you who may want to consider thinking before he runs his/her mouth.
One other thing brainless, big deal if you've been on this site longer, what does that mean. You gonna take your ball and go home. Get over it. You act like you can prove your point by telling someone to go back and read one of your past, post. Your not that important,Homer.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | 24 days ago
"One other thing brainless, big deal if you've been on this site longer, what does that mean. You gonna take your ball and go home. Get over it. You act like you can prove your point by telling someone to go back and read one of your past, post. Your not that important,Homer"

Um told you about the immigrant story, not to talk about how I've been here longer than you. It was to counter the claim that I don't use Huffington Post to do all my research like you suggested. And I wrote it before you started, so I can see how you didn't know that I've written on immigrants and population and demographics.

It was to rub the fact I've been here longer.


"You can have all the book smarts in the world and still be dumb as dirt.actually, your insults mean a lot less since you have said what you did in your comments. So it is you who may want to consider thinking before he runs his/her mouth."


Yeah dude, I got more than books smart too. been is a few different countries. Lived in three different countries. In the U.S. I've lived in Chicago and the farmlands of Indiana. I've met all sorts of people, from all sorts of backgrounds. I've been to art shows and plays and operas. And I've been to dogfights, gang fights and the projects. I've been dirt poorand living out my car and I've lived in a 4 bedroom house with my parents.

At one point in my life I knew five languages.

I've had friends from a wide range of countries and social classes.

I listen to all sorts of music and watch all sorts of films. I seek out things I've never done before as if "new things" were a drug.

I've worked for my parents. I've worked for small businesses. I've worked for corporations. I've worked for activist groups. I've had a couple of businesses of my own (with partners).

I've done things, I've been places. I've lived a very full and colorful life and I'm not even 30 yet, still got a lot to do.

I've been a part of 2 political campaigns.

So far my life has been like an Odyssey, thanks for the reference. It made me think.


"I'm not like you, I have never claimed to be an expert."

I never said I was an expert, but you did mention something about education, so I let you know what my education credentials were.

"You seem to know everything, what are you a professional student?"

For being in college for as long as I have been in, I sometimes feel like I am. But as I've stated before, I like new things and going looking for them. I take a lot of classes.

And if you are still reading this crap you need to realize I've written all this to just annoy you. I'm having a laugh hoping you're getting pist.
Posted By insulin insulin | 19 days ago
Good article you have.I agree with the topic.Let him go amal,it will be such a waste of time for you,Your work is good.
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