The Painful Death of a Nation
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Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez speaks to journalists at the ALBA ...Source: Reuters
So there is a fuss in this administration over the FOX news station? Too bad. For now, it comes down to this... Even if FOX views a story differently than another network they have every right under that Constitution to report the news the way they see it.
I find the entire attack on the news organization to be nothing short of disturbing. As I have stated clearly in the past, Hugo Chavez was once only (one) part of a three party national system. In blatant disregard for the nation's Constitution, he tore apart Venezuelan legislature and there was no longer a majority representation of the people – the legislature was a representation of him.
Chavez went directly after the poor by rolling out social welfare programs designed to uplift and gratify the population of Venezuela poor without regard for the cost of the programs. The people quickly became reliant on the social welfare programs to survive thus casting more people into economic turmoil and eventually ushering an increasing crime rate along with a growing population that fell from middle class to poverty level. Today, Venezuela has one of the highest per capita murder rates in the world and the capital city of Caracas was cited as having the highest per capita homicide rate in the world by the US Dept of State in July, 2009.
I do not want my Country to follow the path of Hugo Chavez's Venezuela but I believe the President of the United States of America does, and I think he has surrounded himself with others that want this too. The difference between Obama and Chavez is minimal. As the popularity of social welfare programs allowed Chavez to achieve the monumental task of changing a Democratic society to a Dictatorship, there is a similar push by the Obama administration to do the same.
There comes a point in a Democracy when it will begin to break apart. That happens the day a large part of the people begin to not only believe they are owed something by the government – rather than that the government exists as a representation of them, but also when they begin to rely on the government to live, breathe, eat, and become. They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be.
All that they do, all that they are – becomes the government – OWNED by the Government.
When Chavez took office in 1998 he pledged to eliminate corruption and clean-up politics through CONSTITUTIONAL reform. He did this over the decade by slowly taking control of the judicial and central electoral council. By undermining the job security with political pressure, on the electoral council side (Congress) Chavez took over appointments and appointed people to posts. By 2001, government nominees outnumbered the opposition by 4 to 1 and the government then began the process of reversing Chavez’s pledged original “reforms” and shifting focus to the removal of the independence of the judiciary branch. Chavez appointed 12 new judges increasing the branch from 20 to 32 which left all appointees subject to political influence and interference.
Chavez was able to succeed based on the fear of economic collapse and instead brought on both an economic collapse and a collapse of Democracy. Chavez had taken over the other two branches of the government, dominated the private sector and gained popularity through the promotion of government sponsored “welfare” programs and expansion of government power which could not be sustained.
Barack Obama is following the exact same path as Hugo Chavez.. Obama has appointed numerous Czars that have questionable backgrounds that emulate a desire for some sort of socialist nation.
Then there is Mark Lloyd, Obama's FCC diversity Czar, who may just top the list of questionable people surrounding this President. Lloyd is another supporter of Chavez going as far as to say Chavez managed to pull off an “incredible revolution, a Democratic revolution...” Lloyd actually states he admires Chavez.
Lloyd admires Chavez. That is one scary thought when referring to anyone in charge of the FCC. This summer, Chavez underwent a massive campaign to stifle the press that raised any voice of opposition to his administration's socialist view. For our Nation's FCC “whatever” to find this man one to admire is appalling. Critics claim that many of the shut down stations are available on cable – but to a population where 40% of the populous now lives below the national poverty line, cable is not widely available.
Then there is always our grand old Hollywood liberals who come along and glorify Chavez. These people are so far out of touch with the average American and they use their status as conduits of the liberal ideology. Oliver Stone's “South of the Border” movie does nothing short of glorify Chavez and his abuse of power. The fabulously wealthy American filmmaker Oliver Stone provides a shining light to the actions of this evil and horrible man that decided it was OK to just re-write his nation's Constitution. Not one tough question is asked of Chavez in Stone's film. Nothing about the shut down of numerous opposition radio and TV stations; nothing with respect to Amnesty Internationals 2009 report on the human rights in Venezuela where they stated: "Attacks on journalists were widespread. Human-rights defenders continued to suffer harassment. Prison conditions provoked hunger strikes in facilities across the country." Not one tough question...just complete adoration of the Dictator with Susan Saradon, Sean Penn, Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover among others - right there to cheer away the liberties of the Venezuelan people
I think there is cause for concern in Obama's outright war with the freedom of the press and freedom of speech.. He's got the same M.O. that Chavez had: Truth does not matter, and neither does the Constitution.
The liberal wing of the United States needs to do some research on the truth behind the rise of Hugo Chavez and stop blasting the conservatives of the country claiming they are simply out to get this President. I am not "out to get" this President, but I am truly concerned about his motives, his associations and his new attempt to stifle the media.
This is not transparency, but it is certainly a change we are seeing with President Barack Obama.
One decade is all it took to change Venezuela. In one decade my oldest child will be 18 and most likely face a debt beyond comprehension to us now.
The best I can hope for at this point is that our children will still have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as the backbone of this nation and that we've reversed some of these turns toward all encompassing government authority.
Debt they will shoulder, lack of freedom they cannot.
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"Even if FOX views a story differently than another network they have every right under that Constitution to report the news the way they see it."
They sure do, and that right is still around. Hasn't been touched. Last I checked they were still saying all sorts of absurd things about the President and his administration.
Freedom of speech, very much still intact.
You see the White House has freedom of speech as well, and they exercised their freedom of speech by calling out lies against them.
"There comes a point in a Democracy when it will begin to break apart. That happens the day a large part of the people begin to not only believe they are owed something by the government – rather than that the government exists as a representation of them, but also when they begin to rely on the government to live, breathe, eat, and become. They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be."
Um, if I give taxes to the government, if I pay for medicare, medicaid, social security. If I pay my income taxes, the government does owe me something. I ain't just forking over my money cause I don't need it. I'm not giving the government money for self righteous good will. I want something in return.
"the government exists as a representation of them"
I wonder why I would want to be represented in government if I didn't want something out of it.
"They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be"
eh...yeah...duh.
You imagine living in this country without government. You imagine writing on the internet without government. Who is protecting your right to write? Who is protecting you from terrorism? from fire?
Who is helping farmers make a living off of their crops? Who is cleaning our water supply? Who is offering public education? libraries? post office? Who set up regulations that cars should have safety belts, airbags. That there should be speed limits and other traffic laws?
Who is cleaning our streets, cleaning up road kill, conserving forests and national parks like Yellowstone?
Show me a person that constantly says that people shouldn't depend on the government for things and I'll show you someone that depends on a lot of things from the government.
I like having roads and street lights and community colleges.
"Obama has appointed numerous Czars that have questionable backgrounds that emulate a desire for some sort of socialist nation."
Teh Bush White House added Part D to Medicare. You don't think That's socialistic? Everyone in the Republican part practically everyone voted for it. Voted for it even though we couldn't afford it. I have to ask, are you for or against Medicare, social security, public schools, public law enforcement? If you are I could say you have some sort of desire to turn the U.S. into a "socialist nation".
Remember Bush's bailouts, Here's what Chavez had to say "They say, 'The state shouldn't get involved in that.' But now they don't criticize Bush for having to nationalise (the biggest banks in the world.) Comrade Bush, how are you?”
Chavez a real socialist, recoginizes socialism when he sees it. How many COngressmembers voted for those bailouts? They all socialist too? Like you claim the people in Obama's administration are?
When Newt Gingrich quotes lines from Mao, does that make him a socialist? What about McCain?
They sure do, and that right is still around. Hasn't been touched. Last I checked they were still saying all sorts of absurd things about the President and his administration.
Freedom of speech, very much still intact.
You see the White House has freedom of speech as well, and they exercised their freedom of speech by calling out lies against them.
"There comes a point in a Democracy when it will begin to break apart. That happens the day a large part of the people begin to not only believe they are owed something by the government – rather than that the government exists as a representation of them, but also when they begin to rely on the government to live, breathe, eat, and become. They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be."
Um, if I give taxes to the government, if I pay for medicare, medicaid, social security. If I pay my income taxes, the government does owe me something. I ain't just forking over my money cause I don't need it. I'm not giving the government money for self righteous good will. I want something in return.
"the government exists as a representation of them"
I wonder why I would want to be represented in government if I didn't want something out of it.
"They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be"
eh...yeah...duh.
You imagine living in this country without government. You imagine writing on the internet without government. Who is protecting your right to write? Who is protecting you from terrorism? from fire?
Who is helping farmers make a living off of their crops? Who is cleaning our water supply? Who is offering public education? libraries? post office? Who set up regulations that cars should have safety belts, airbags. That there should be speed limits and other traffic laws?
Who is cleaning our streets, cleaning up road kill, conserving forests and national parks like Yellowstone?
Show me a person that constantly says that people shouldn't depend on the government for things and I'll show you someone that depends on a lot of things from the government.
I like having roads and street lights and community colleges.
"Obama has appointed numerous Czars that have questionable backgrounds that emulate a desire for some sort of socialist nation."
Teh Bush White House added Part D to Medicare. You don't think That's socialistic? Everyone in the Republican part practically everyone voted for it. Voted for it even though we couldn't afford it. I have to ask, are you for or against Medicare, social security, public schools, public law enforcement? If you are I could say you have some sort of desire to turn the U.S. into a "socialist nation".
Remember Bush's bailouts, Here's what Chavez had to say "They say, 'The state shouldn't get involved in that.' But now they don't criticize Bush for having to nationalise (the biggest banks in the world.) Comrade Bush, how are you?”
Chavez a real socialist, recoginizes socialism when he sees it. How many COngressmembers voted for those bailouts? They all socialist too? Like you claim the people in Obama's administration are?
When Newt Gingrich quotes lines from Mao, does that make him a socialist? What about McCain?
"Freedom of speech, very much still intact."
but it is under attack
""They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be"
eh...yeah...duh."
so yeah duh....if you want to live where the government controls everything then i suggest you try china...if you want to live under socialism i suggest you try europe
but i do like your arguments that obama is no different than bush
but it is under attack
""They become a society that needs the government in order to simply - be"
eh...yeah...duh."
so yeah duh....if you want to live where the government controls everything then i suggest you try china...if you want to live under socialism i suggest you try europe
but i do like your arguments that obama is no different than bush
SOOOOOOOOO many queastions! You missed the entire point - and I did critisize Bush for bailouts - they should have been allowed to drown and if we had shut down M&M when it was said that they were going to bring about a colloapse and Barney Rubble Frank says, duh, there just fine ... and everyone sighed - I spoke up against that too. And the Iraq war, and the Afghanistan.
Your comments are simply so sided there's almost no reasoning A80 - you're refusing to look at the historical significance of two PRESIDENTS one who is now a dictator and another following the same game plan because what Chavez has in Venezuela does not frighten you. I am certain it will if it happens because guess
what - you're street lights will still be off - and on purpose.
((Remember Bush's bailouts, Here's what Chavez had to say "They say, 'The state shouldn't get involved in that.' But now they don't criticize Bush for having to nationalise (the biggest banks in the world.) Comrade Bush, how are you?”))
Many fiscal conservatives DID raise issues with Bush's spending and for the record - you'd see that if you'd read my earlier articles. Bush was a spend-a-holic, and Obama carried that on - adding a little Chavez to the mix.
You're quoting bankrupt programs or those on the brink. Nice that you think something is owed to you....Tell me again when you moved here and let me know if you truthfuly have ever read the Constitution?
Government is not ever suppose to control America. PERIOD. It's a nation OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.
Your comments are simply so sided there's almost no reasoning A80 - you're refusing to look at the historical significance of two PRESIDENTS one who is now a dictator and another following the same game plan because what Chavez has in Venezuela does not frighten you. I am certain it will if it happens because guess
what - you're street lights will still be off - and on purpose.
((Remember Bush's bailouts, Here's what Chavez had to say "They say, 'The state shouldn't get involved in that.' But now they don't criticize Bush for having to nationalise (the biggest banks in the world.) Comrade Bush, how are you?”))
Many fiscal conservatives DID raise issues with Bush's spending and for the record - you'd see that if you'd read my earlier articles. Bush was a spend-a-holic, and Obama carried that on - adding a little Chavez to the mix.
You're quoting bankrupt programs or those on the brink. Nice that you think something is owed to you....Tell me again when you moved here and let me know if you truthfuly have ever read the Constitution?
Government is not ever suppose to control America. PERIOD. It's a nation OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.
"Many fiscal conservatives DID raise issues with Bush's spending and for the record - you'd see that if you'd read my earlier articles. Bush was a spend-a-holic, and Obama carried that on - adding a little Chavez to the mix."
I'm not saying whether you criticized Bush for the spending...I'm asking if you equated him to a socialist. If you thought nationalizing the banks, under Bush, was equivalent to Chavez.
When Bush bailout banks that you write anywhere that Bush was leading America on the same path to socialim as dictator Chavez took Venezuela?
Did you do the samething when the Bush White House stopped talking to MSNBC and when Bush gave zero interviews to The New York Times?
Did you compare Bush to Chavez and Stalin and Mao?
Did you do it when Bush paid columists to write good things about conservative programs like No Child Left Behind?
Did you tell people that Bush was a socialist dictator trying to control people and the media when he was caught paying a blogger to ask softball questions and pre-approved questions at White House Briefings. Questions meant to spread the Bush White House agenda?
Is Bush a socialist for trying to control the media?
And about the Constitution...I've gone through the Chicago Public School system, starting from the second grade.
That means I had to pass the Constitution exam in 8th grade, which I did, getting a 100%. And then again in high school, which I passed with a 100%.
Let me quote something for you from the Constitution:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
If I've translated that correctly, it says in order to get something and achieve something and work toward a certain goal, we are setting up a governing system for this country.
According to how I read the Constitution, it seems like we are suppose to expect something from the government, it's the main reason for establishing one. The purpose of the government is to serve our needs.
"You're quoting bankrupt programs or those on the brink."
I don't think budget problems make public schools, public law enforcements, social security, social medicine like medicare, social institutions like libraries and parks wrong. Budget problems are budget problem, they are easy to fix, it's all a matter of managing resources.
Last I checked streets are still being paved and highways still closed off for constructions. Street lights still on and streets are still clean.
The water coming through my faucet is clear and I get electricity and telephone and the internet and still have the freedom to say whatever I want, just about, and still have the right to vote, and still have the right to a gun, and still have the right to protest, and still have the right to a drink, still have a right to be treated equally.
"Government is not ever suppose to control America. PERIOD. It's a nation OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE."
yup sure is. we voted Obama in and all the other people that are in office. they represent the rest of us. of the people by the people.
You know as much as I hate Joe Wilson, someone voted him in. As much as Harry Reid annoys me, someone voted him in. Same goes for Boehner and Bachmann and so on.
Our government is representative of us.
I'm not saying whether you criticized Bush for the spending...I'm asking if you equated him to a socialist. If you thought nationalizing the banks, under Bush, was equivalent to Chavez.
When Bush bailout banks that you write anywhere that Bush was leading America on the same path to socialim as dictator Chavez took Venezuela?
Did you do the samething when the Bush White House stopped talking to MSNBC and when Bush gave zero interviews to The New York Times?
Did you compare Bush to Chavez and Stalin and Mao?
Did you do it when Bush paid columists to write good things about conservative programs like No Child Left Behind?
Did you tell people that Bush was a socialist dictator trying to control people and the media when he was caught paying a blogger to ask softball questions and pre-approved questions at White House Briefings. Questions meant to spread the Bush White House agenda?
Is Bush a socialist for trying to control the media?
And about the Constitution...I've gone through the Chicago Public School system, starting from the second grade.
That means I had to pass the Constitution exam in 8th grade, which I did, getting a 100%. And then again in high school, which I passed with a 100%.
Let me quote something for you from the Constitution:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
If I've translated that correctly, it says in order to get something and achieve something and work toward a certain goal, we are setting up a governing system for this country.
According to how I read the Constitution, it seems like we are suppose to expect something from the government, it's the main reason for establishing one. The purpose of the government is to serve our needs.
"You're quoting bankrupt programs or those on the brink."
I don't think budget problems make public schools, public law enforcements, social security, social medicine like medicare, social institutions like libraries and parks wrong. Budget problems are budget problem, they are easy to fix, it's all a matter of managing resources.
Last I checked streets are still being paved and highways still closed off for constructions. Street lights still on and streets are still clean.
The water coming through my faucet is clear and I get electricity and telephone and the internet and still have the freedom to say whatever I want, just about, and still have the right to vote, and still have the right to a gun, and still have the right to protest, and still have the right to a drink, still have a right to be treated equally.
"Government is not ever suppose to control America. PERIOD. It's a nation OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE."
yup sure is. we voted Obama in and all the other people that are in office. they represent the rest of us. of the people by the people.
You know as much as I hate Joe Wilson, someone voted him in. As much as Harry Reid annoys me, someone voted him in. Same goes for Boehner and Bachmann and so on.
Our government is representative of us.
"Bush didn't give interviews to the NYTIMES and critisized MSNBC is hardly the same thing as making it front and center and making it a part of the national spot light by sending the adminstration on the Sunday talkshow circuit."
So if Fox NEws turned this into a specticle, and all the other media channels followed suit, it's Obama's fault.
Bush has Publically attacked the New York Times and NBC, publically. The News Media just didn't lose their sh!t over it, like they have with a Democrat in Office.
The reason it didn't become spotlighted nationally, isn't because Bush was at another level and Obama is at another. It's becuase no one at NBC and NYT went apesh!t, like FOX has.
It's alright FOX News, don't worry, you're just not use to it. You've been the WHite House's baby for so long you forgot how it feels like tobe treated for what you really are.
"Fox lies are YOUR opinion - I think they lie less than any off the other news channels and expose a heck of a lot more."
You know a lie is a lie, it's not based on an opinion, it just menas what someone says is fact, really isn't. There's really no where in there for an opinion.
Obama is not a Muslim terrorist(like they broadcasted during the election).
ACORN is not some radical organization filled with people bent on ruining the fabric of American society for Mr.Evil.
Anita Dunn two favorite philosopher were not really Mother theresa and Mao, she was just joking in a speech to kids, everyone but conservatives got that.
You know joking, like people on Fox News joked about wanting Obama and Osama to be assassinated. Joking like Beck got a white man dressed as Mao waiting by a phone that only Anita Dunn has a number to. A joke. Like McCain joked about bomb bomb Iran.
No it isn't opinion that Fox New Lies it is the truth. And it lies a lot more than the other networks, I mean a lot lot more. And I'm not one that is getting lying confused with being bias, bias is not a problem for me in the News, I can read through a bias, but reading through a flat out lie requires research, that's more work. Work that people watchign the news can't do most of the time and therefore end up believing whatever Fox News tells them, just like you.
They make people have an opinon like "when Bush bails out people it's fiscal irresponsibility, and when Obama bails out people, "WE'RE TURNING INTO (fill in the blank with any communist country that youare attacking this week)!!!".
"According to the United States Consitution the government may exercise only expressed powers which are granted to it by the Constitution, and further limited by the Bill of Rights."
Still waiting for an example of industries that have perished because government decided to step in an offer a public option.
Still waiting for where in the Constitution does it prohibit somehting like Medicare and the public option?
"The people control the country - not the other way around."
So you agree that the people control the country. It's not some conspiracy for someone socialist to take over, it's just a representation of the more liberal population, liberal compared to the previous generation.
"Obama supports single payor - and these bills are designed to get there. Geez, why don't you just admit it?"
Ah I don't think so, I beleive he's been rally people around the public option for the past like 6 or 7 months.
Where is the speech in front of Congress where Obama mentions single-payer?
"Easy to fix?"
Yup raise taxes on the rich to the percentage they were during the good ole days of the 50s, the age of prosperity in the U.S....
And the constitution quote that you didn't understand...You wrote in your article that anyone expecting things for the government is basically a smoocher, they everyone shouldn't want anything from teh government.
I am saying that government is specifically set up because we all want something from it. Wanting something from the government is the reason there is government.
So if Fox NEws turned this into a specticle, and all the other media channels followed suit, it's Obama's fault.
Bush has Publically attacked the New York Times and NBC, publically. The News Media just didn't lose their sh!t over it, like they have with a Democrat in Office.
The reason it didn't become spotlighted nationally, isn't because Bush was at another level and Obama is at another. It's becuase no one at NBC and NYT went apesh!t, like FOX has.
It's alright FOX News, don't worry, you're just not use to it. You've been the WHite House's baby for so long you forgot how it feels like tobe treated for what you really are.
"Fox lies are YOUR opinion - I think they lie less than any off the other news channels and expose a heck of a lot more."
You know a lie is a lie, it's not based on an opinion, it just menas what someone says is fact, really isn't. There's really no where in there for an opinion.
Obama is not a Muslim terrorist(like they broadcasted during the election).
ACORN is not some radical organization filled with people bent on ruining the fabric of American society for Mr.Evil.
Anita Dunn two favorite philosopher were not really Mother theresa and Mao, she was just joking in a speech to kids, everyone but conservatives got that.
You know joking, like people on Fox News joked about wanting Obama and Osama to be assassinated. Joking like Beck got a white man dressed as Mao waiting by a phone that only Anita Dunn has a number to. A joke. Like McCain joked about bomb bomb Iran.
No it isn't opinion that Fox New Lies it is the truth. And it lies a lot more than the other networks, I mean a lot lot more. And I'm not one that is getting lying confused with being bias, bias is not a problem for me in the News, I can read through a bias, but reading through a flat out lie requires research, that's more work. Work that people watchign the news can't do most of the time and therefore end up believing whatever Fox News tells them, just like you.
They make people have an opinon like "when Bush bails out people it's fiscal irresponsibility, and when Obama bails out people, "WE'RE TURNING INTO (fill in the blank with any communist country that youare attacking this week)!!!".
"According to the United States Consitution the government may exercise only expressed powers which are granted to it by the Constitution, and further limited by the Bill of Rights."
Still waiting for an example of industries that have perished because government decided to step in an offer a public option.
Still waiting for where in the Constitution does it prohibit somehting like Medicare and the public option?
"The people control the country - not the other way around."
So you agree that the people control the country. It's not some conspiracy for someone socialist to take over, it's just a representation of the more liberal population, liberal compared to the previous generation.
"Obama supports single payor - and these bills are designed to get there. Geez, why don't you just admit it?"
Ah I don't think so, I beleive he's been rally people around the public option for the past like 6 or 7 months.
Where is the speech in front of Congress where Obama mentions single-payer?
"Easy to fix?"
Yup raise taxes on the rich to the percentage they were during the good ole days of the 50s, the age of prosperity in the U.S....
And the constitution quote that you didn't understand...You wrote in your article that anyone expecting things for the government is basically a smoocher, they everyone shouldn't want anything from teh government.
I am saying that government is specifically set up because we all want something from it. Wanting something from the government is the reason there is government.
No - Bush was fiscally reckless - not a socialist but certainly fiscally irresponsible. Bailing out the banks - stimulus - takeover of GM - violations of anti trust laws - illegal mortgage deals for Dodd and Frank - ALL a part of a government gone wild. It's bipartisan Amal - but Obama took it to the next level.
Bush didn't give interviews to the NYTIMES and critisized MSNBC is hardly the same thing as making it front and center and making it a part of the national spot light by sending the adminstration on the Sunday talkshow circuit.
Fox lies are YOUR opinion - I think they lie less than any off the other news channels and expose a heck of a lot more.
"According to how I read the Constitution, it seems like we are suppose to expect something from the government, it's the main reason for establishing one. The purpose of the government is to serve our needs."
What? According to the United States Consitution the government may exercise only expressed powers which are granted to it by the Constitution, and further limited by the Bill of Rights.
The people control the country - not the other way around.
Obama supports single payor - and these bills are designed to get there. Geez, why don't you just admit it?
You're absolutely correct WE THE PEOPLE voted in Obama. Wow, what snake oil he sold America.
"I don't think budget problems make public schools, public law enforcements, social security, social medicine like medicare, social institutions like libraries and parks wrong. Budget problems are budget problem, they are easy to fix, it's all a matter of managing resources."
Easy to fix? That's laughable. We can fixing by placing more strain on the seams. Hardly.
Bush didn't give interviews to the NYTIMES and critisized MSNBC is hardly the same thing as making it front and center and making it a part of the national spot light by sending the adminstration on the Sunday talkshow circuit.
Fox lies are YOUR opinion - I think they lie less than any off the other news channels and expose a heck of a lot more.
"According to how I read the Constitution, it seems like we are suppose to expect something from the government, it's the main reason for establishing one. The purpose of the government is to serve our needs."
What? According to the United States Consitution the government may exercise only expressed powers which are granted to it by the Constitution, and further limited by the Bill of Rights.
The people control the country - not the other way around.
Obama supports single payor - and these bills are designed to get there. Geez, why don't you just admit it?
You're absolutely correct WE THE PEOPLE voted in Obama. Wow, what snake oil he sold America.
"I don't think budget problems make public schools, public law enforcements, social security, social medicine like medicare, social institutions like libraries and parks wrong. Budget problems are budget problem, they are easy to fix, it's all a matter of managing resources."
Easy to fix? That's laughable. We can fixing by placing more strain on the seams. Hardly.
"still have the freedom to say whatever I want"
but you don't want to extend that right to everyone?
"Our government is representative of us"
our government represents corporate ameria and has for a long long long time...obama is no different
bush was a war mongering dictator want-a-be....but that does not excuse obama in any way
but you don't want to extend that right to everyone?
"Our government is representative of us"
our government represents corporate ameria and has for a long long long time...obama is no different
bush was a war mongering dictator want-a-be....but that does not excuse obama in any way
A80--exactly.
Wow - got some substance to that comment Deliliah or do you simply hit the down arrow now and let other people fight your battle of why bigger government is better now?
write4life-yup, that's about the way it is.
Am80 has already done a fine job of outlining the assinine and overly dramatized aspects of your heavily biased opinion piece and wind7seas has summed it up very nicely about Fox "News", so why should I waste my time bantering back and forth? Personally, I would rather spend my time writing.
Saying that Obama has the "same M.O. that Chavez had: Truth does not matter, and neither does the Constitution", is just too laughable to bother with. Obama was a professor who taught constitutional law. He clearly cares about the constitution and that doesn't change just because you say so.
Am80 has already done a fine job of outlining the assinine and overly dramatized aspects of your heavily biased opinion piece and wind7seas has summed it up very nicely about Fox "News", so why should I waste my time bantering back and forth? Personally, I would rather spend my time writing.
Saying that Obama has the "same M.O. that Chavez had: Truth does not matter, and neither does the Constitution", is just too laughable to bother with. Obama was a professor who taught constitutional law. He clearly cares about the constitution and that doesn't change just because you say so.
Pot calling the kettle black Delilah - you're as sided as me - just on the wrong side.
Obama does not give a crap about the Constitution.
Obama does not give a crap about the Constitution.
Write4Life I'm with you on this. I'm just twenty years old and have much more to learn but all i know currently is that i'm totally scared of the way this country is running. President Obama is pushing for government controlled health care. Currently the government can't even supply efficient H1N1 vaccines to all the citizens. They've had plenty of time to prepare, it's been far too long. They haven't done it yet AND this is the government we are about to give our health care system over to. We have people in power over us that have zero credability to their name at all. Mr. Obama was linked to former terrorists. That should say enough about him to me voting against him for president. But he's there as the highest man in our country. I'm scared of the way new americans think. I've learned so much from history classes that tell me americans used to be so involved within their communities. They knew more than just their neighbors names. I can't even say i know my neighbors names. The people have become so cut throat and fast pased wanting everything right now. It makes me wonder how often they actually stop and think what it is they are actually asking for and where it is it came from. The convenient mindset voted in a president who promised them everything they wanted. I'm just nervous about the future i'm growing up in. I've never had a desire to live in europe but currently I'd take an italian language class to prepare myself to get out of here.
President Obama is not pushing "government run healthcare". President si pushing something called the "public option". What taht means is that there is going to be a option to buy health insurance from the government.
Just health insurance.
That's all teh government would be doing.
You would get to choose between all the insurance you already get to choose from, plus a government insurance plan.
If you don't trust the government insurance plan because you are afraid something will happen to you if you let teh goverment pay your doctors instead of a private company to pay your doctors, then you don't have to buy it.
You don't have to buy the government option, just buy the private one.
Just health insurance.
That's all teh government would be doing.
You would get to choose between all the insurance you already get to choose from, plus a government insurance plan.
If you don't trust the government insurance plan because you are afraid something will happen to you if you let teh goverment pay your doctors instead of a private company to pay your doctors, then you don't have to buy it.
You don't have to buy the government option, just buy the private one.
President Obama is not pushing "government run healthcare". President si pushing something called the "public option". What taht means is that there is going to be a option to buy health insurance from the government.
Just health insurance.
Liberal lies.
He is not just pushing a public option - actually - he's supporting technically and the current three drafts will knock out competition, force those other hateful insurance agencies to collapse and you know it.
Stop saying it won't - just say you support a single payor system - you'll be less of a hypocrite.
It's also a lie he's JUST pushing the public option. There is also Cap and TRade. I actually do believe in global warming - but Cap and Trade WILL cripple this country and allow China, Brazil and India, along with other nations who will suck up all the US manfacturing jobs and cause much more losses as well in this nation to put more people in line for unemployment (a government line forced by government now) and for what? 100 years from now - MAYBE 1/2 degree? That's if you go with all the true doomsday scientists. Others, that you dismiss - say it won't even do that, because....and here's the kicker... the other nations that were allowed to walk from the Kyoto treay will NOT sign it and will continue their emmissions escalation.
"You don't have to buy the government option, just buy the private one."
JustinDavid - Amal forgot to add... until the private option is no longere available - Like Delilah, she supports single payer so they say nothing - not one thing - negative about the government including any question as to the background of the current administration or the Czars.
Just health insurance.
Liberal lies.
He is not just pushing a public option - actually - he's supporting technically and the current three drafts will knock out competition, force those other hateful insurance agencies to collapse and you know it.
Stop saying it won't - just say you support a single payor system - you'll be less of a hypocrite.
It's also a lie he's JUST pushing the public option. There is also Cap and TRade. I actually do believe in global warming - but Cap and Trade WILL cripple this country and allow China, Brazil and India, along with other nations who will suck up all the US manfacturing jobs and cause much more losses as well in this nation to put more people in line for unemployment (a government line forced by government now) and for what? 100 years from now - MAYBE 1/2 degree? That's if you go with all the true doomsday scientists. Others, that you dismiss - say it won't even do that, because....and here's the kicker... the other nations that were allowed to walk from the Kyoto treay will NOT sign it and will continue their emmissions escalation.
"You don't have to buy the government option, just buy the private one."
JustinDavid - Amal forgot to add... until the private option is no longere available - Like Delilah, she supports single payer so they say nothing - not one thing - negative about the government including any question as to the background of the current administration or the Czars.
I do support a single-payer system.
But I wasn't talking about myself now was I. I was talking about what Obama is trying to push for.
It's not hypocritical to talk about what someone else wants.
I want single-payer. I want government run healthcare.
I'm willing to settle for a government run insurance company. The government run insurance company is what Obama is pushing for. The public option.
"Amal forgot to add... until the private option is no longere available"
How about you tell me one example of where a public program bankrupted an entire private industry?
Is it the Public school systems, the public housing systems, the public libraries, the public postal system, the public security systems?
Where is a real comparabe example of a government program that bankrupted an entire private industry?
But I wasn't talking about myself now was I. I was talking about what Obama is trying to push for.
It's not hypocritical to talk about what someone else wants.
I want single-payer. I want government run healthcare.
I'm willing to settle for a government run insurance company. The government run insurance company is what Obama is pushing for. The public option.
"Amal forgot to add... until the private option is no longere available"
How about you tell me one example of where a public program bankrupted an entire private industry?
Is it the Public school systems, the public housing systems, the public libraries, the public postal system, the public security systems?
Where is a real comparabe example of a government program that bankrupted an entire private industry?
I think the real problem is if a TV show posing as a news organization should be permitted to lie. Does the 1st amendment right to free speech protect lies? We have laws protecting consumers from false advertising. A cereal manufacturer can't claim that their product cures cancer unless they can prove that it does. They can't claim that their competitors' products cause cancer unless they can prove that it does. Should a cereal manufacturer be protected under the 1st amendment's right to free speech in order to say any lie they want to about their or their competitors' product? I don't think so.
Should people also be protected against lies spread by TV shows posing as news organizations? I think so. A lot of people watching these shows are functionally illiterate and have no basis to form an opinion except by what they see and hear, and they're easily influenced, manipulated and guided to the views of their mentors. They should be protected at least as much as consumers of food products are. More so.
I can't see any correlation between Chavez and Obama.
I can't see any death of a nation. The low-point was a year ago. I see a wonderful and glorious time ahead for the U.S. if we only take advantage of it. This is really one of the most exciting eras we've ever had, and the opportunities abound. This is a time to re-invent ourselves, both as a nation and personally.
We can't go on as we have. Hated by the rest of the world. Our biggest industries being service-related. Making money by trading money or otherwise providing services. Banks. Insurance. Stocks. Security.
We're the most inventive country in the world. Instead of using that inventiveness to create scams, we need to use it to create real, tangible product. Technology, green energy, manufacturing.
No, we can't compete with China, India or Mexico as far as producing inferior, cheap products go, but that was our mistake. Trying to produce product at a price competitive with those countries, we lowered the quality of our product. We need to produce the highest-quality product in the world and just have to charge a higher price for it.
So much opportunity! I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings!
Should people also be protected against lies spread by TV shows posing as news organizations? I think so. A lot of people watching these shows are functionally illiterate and have no basis to form an opinion except by what they see and hear, and they're easily influenced, manipulated and guided to the views of their mentors. They should be protected at least as much as consumers of food products are. More so.
I can't see any correlation between Chavez and Obama.
I can't see any death of a nation. The low-point was a year ago. I see a wonderful and glorious time ahead for the U.S. if we only take advantage of it. This is really one of the most exciting eras we've ever had, and the opportunities abound. This is a time to re-invent ourselves, both as a nation and personally.
We can't go on as we have. Hated by the rest of the world. Our biggest industries being service-related. Making money by trading money or otherwise providing services. Banks. Insurance. Stocks. Security.
We're the most inventive country in the world. Instead of using that inventiveness to create scams, we need to use it to create real, tangible product. Technology, green energy, manufacturing.
No, we can't compete with China, India or Mexico as far as producing inferior, cheap products go, but that was our mistake. Trying to produce product at a price competitive with those countries, we lowered the quality of our product. We need to produce the highest-quality product in the world and just have to charge a higher price for it.
So much opportunity! I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings!
Winds7seas, I agree with your points about Fox "News". Especially, this line:
"A lot of people watching these shows are functionally illiterate and have no basis to form an opinion except by what they see and hear, and they're easily influenced, manipulated and guided to the views of their mentors."
Fox News talking-heads get paid to throw out red meat to their audience to feed them exactly what they want to hear. That's the only reason their ratings are high.
"A lot of people watching these shows are functionally illiterate and have no basis to form an opinion except by what they see and hear, and they're easily influenced, manipulated and guided to the views of their mentors."
Fox News talking-heads get paid to throw out red meat to their audience to feed them exactly what they want to hear. That's the only reason their ratings are high.
Their ratings are high on FOX because the majority of the country is functionally illiterate?
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, that's it.
I've lived in other countries and visited other countries and as per my experience, people are willing to spend extra on products made in the U.S..
They expect good quality from the U.S...or at least they use to, when we use to produce high quality products.
I would have to agree with you about the producing inferior products and trying to compete with peole who produce inferior products.
We need to be competing with Europe and Japan. Not China and India. They still have at least half a century before they can even start to compete with Western countries.
They expect good quality from the U.S...or at least they use to, when we use to produce high quality products.
I would have to agree with you about the producing inferior products and trying to compete with peole who produce inferior products.
We need to be competing with Europe and Japan. Not China and India. They still have at least half a century before they can even start to compete with Western countries.
Cap and Trade passing will cut the time you quote by allowing the crippling of our own manufacturing and the flourishing of theirs.
"A lot of people watching these shows are functionally illiterate and have no basis to form an opinion"
do you have some kind of data to back up this garbage or are you one of those that see the american people (you excluded of course) as fat, stupid and lazy as fox has the highest rating of all news shows
"We can't go on as we have. Hated by the rest of the world. Our biggest industries being service-related"
i hate to tell you this but the world still hates us only now it is our allies that hate us not just our enemies and absolutely NOTHING is being done to lead us back from being a service related consumer nation to industry. instead we are being pushed more and more to rely on government for our very existence. the only jobs that have been created are government jobs
do you have some kind of data to back up this garbage or are you one of those that see the american people (you excluded of course) as fat, stupid and lazy as fox has the highest rating of all news shows
"We can't go on as we have. Hated by the rest of the world. Our biggest industries being service-related"
i hate to tell you this but the world still hates us only now it is our allies that hate us not just our enemies and absolutely NOTHING is being done to lead us back from being a service related consumer nation to industry. instead we are being pushed more and more to rely on government for our very existence. the only jobs that have been created are government jobs
"I think the real problem is if a TV show posing as a news organization should be permitted to lie. Does the 1st amendment right to free speech protect lies?"
What lies are you referring to specifically? Even if your only beefs were with Beck and Hannity, what else pn FOX do you want to say is a lie? If it in anyway hurts anyone there ARE laws.
It's called libel and they could sue the station, the individual and anyone else involved in the "lie." Except, if it isn't a lie - they can't.
"No, we can't compete with China, India or Mexico as far as producing inferior, cheap products go, but that was our mistake. Trying to produce product at a price competitive with those countries, we lowered the quality of our product. We need to produce the highest-quality product in the world and just have to charge a higher price for it."
Wish I could bold that first line - Cap and trade will increase the power of these nations. The highest quality product doesn't sell if no one has the money to buy it.
You don't see the coorelation between Obama and Chavez? Did you read the article or just the comments?
What lies are you referring to specifically? Even if your only beefs were with Beck and Hannity, what else pn FOX do you want to say is a lie? If it in anyway hurts anyone there ARE laws.
It's called libel and they could sue the station, the individual and anyone else involved in the "lie." Except, if it isn't a lie - they can't.
"No, we can't compete with China, India or Mexico as far as producing inferior, cheap products go, but that was our mistake. Trying to produce product at a price competitive with those countries, we lowered the quality of our product. We need to produce the highest-quality product in the world and just have to charge a higher price for it."
Wish I could bold that first line - Cap and trade will increase the power of these nations. The highest quality product doesn't sell if no one has the money to buy it.
You don't see the coorelation between Obama and Chavez? Did you read the article or just the comments?
The Hugo Chavez model is what is being employed here by the Obama admin. Rip apart our Constitution which he would do if he could in a minute. He has spoken about this in the past. Yes, I have links to backup if anyone is interested.
He throws a couple of crumbs to the entitlement addicts, and then goes about trying to take over private industry. The government has a stake in the banking system, the auto industry, the housing industry and before too long the Health Insurance Industry.
This administration abhorbs Fox News simply because they hold their feet to the fire and are the only outlet asking any sort of tough questions. They are making people aware of things that the State Run Media does not report. There is no transparency in this administration. If people do not wake up and if for anything else other than to stand up for & defend your Constitutional right of Freedom of Speech, you may find yourself in little Venezuela.
He throws a couple of crumbs to the entitlement addicts, and then goes about trying to take over private industry. The government has a stake in the banking system, the auto industry, the housing industry and before too long the Health Insurance Industry.
This administration abhorbs Fox News simply because they hold their feet to the fire and are the only outlet asking any sort of tough questions. They are making people aware of things that the State Run Media does not report. There is no transparency in this administration. If people do not wake up and if for anything else other than to stand up for & defend your Constitutional right of Freedom of Speech, you may find yourself in little Venezuela.
You've called it "State Run Media" for awhile now, how about you actually back it up with some facts.
Show me the proof that CBS, NBC, ABC and not Fox are state run media?
Because I have articles from Forbes that tell me very rich people own those media outlets. Capitalists run the networks. Not socialists. Not communists.
"The government has a stake in the banking system, the auto industry, the housing industry and before too long the Health Insurance Industry."
The government has a stake in everything, also ways has, always will.
It is the job of the government to govern.
Teh government also has a stake in the school industry, the law enforcement industry, the public service industry, the construction industry, the architcture industry, the railroad industry, the farming industry.
You paranoids are funny.
Isn't the United States bigger than Venezuela? Wouldn't we end up being big Venezuela instead of little Venezuela?
Please tell me Red, What rights of Fox News has the Obama administration taken away?
Did they revoke their license? They imprison anyone? They shoot anyone? They shut down any Fox News Stations?
What right did Fox NEws have a year ago that they don't have right now?
And what right did you have a year ago, that you don't have now?
Show me the proof that CBS, NBC, ABC and not Fox are state run media?
Because I have articles from Forbes that tell me very rich people own those media outlets. Capitalists run the networks. Not socialists. Not communists.
"The government has a stake in the banking system, the auto industry, the housing industry and before too long the Health Insurance Industry."
The government has a stake in everything, also ways has, always will.
It is the job of the government to govern.
Teh government also has a stake in the school industry, the law enforcement industry, the public service industry, the construction industry, the architcture industry, the railroad industry, the farming industry.
You paranoids are funny.
Isn't the United States bigger than Venezuela? Wouldn't we end up being big Venezuela instead of little Venezuela?
Please tell me Red, What rights of Fox News has the Obama administration taken away?
Did they revoke their license? They imprison anyone? They shoot anyone? They shut down any Fox News Stations?
What right did Fox NEws have a year ago that they don't have right now?
And what right did you have a year ago, that you don't have now?
A80,
Those services that you mention are basic needs that the government must provide. These are the essentials much in the same way that a local town has to provide, police protection, firefighters, collect the garbage and fill in it's potholes. Everyone agrees that each of us must pay a minimal amount in taxes to keep the government running.
The government has a function. But is is not to take over private industry, it is not to intrude in our personal lives or dictate how much we can or cannot earn. When we become dependent of the government, we lose our freedom. Our forefathers gave of their blood and died for freedom. Does this mean anything anymore to anyone?
Where is the sense of history in this country? I will say once and I will say till the day I die, this is the greatest country in the world bar none. I do not want to be just one of many. I don't want to be a Global citizen, I don't want to part of the Global community. I want this country to be the envy of other nations, I want this country to have the strongest military and the greatest force on earth, I want this country to be seen as the richest and wealthiest nation in the world.
Enough of this Global Community crap. Let's act like Americans and stop selling our souls for a few government crumbs.
Those services that you mention are basic needs that the government must provide. These are the essentials much in the same way that a local town has to provide, police protection, firefighters, collect the garbage and fill in it's potholes. Everyone agrees that each of us must pay a minimal amount in taxes to keep the government running.
The government has a function. But is is not to take over private industry, it is not to intrude in our personal lives or dictate how much we can or cannot earn. When we become dependent of the government, we lose our freedom. Our forefathers gave of their blood and died for freedom. Does this mean anything anymore to anyone?
Where is the sense of history in this country? I will say once and I will say till the day I die, this is the greatest country in the world bar none. I do not want to be just one of many. I don't want to be a Global citizen, I don't want to part of the Global community. I want this country to be the envy of other nations, I want this country to have the strongest military and the greatest force on earth, I want this country to be seen as the richest and wealthiest nation in the world.
Enough of this Global Community crap. Let's act like Americans and stop selling our souls for a few government crumbs.
"Those services that you mention are basic needs that the government must provide"
The government didn't always provide public education. They did always provide highways, or National parks, or funding for pharma research, and form subsidies. Didn't always provide flouride in the water, didn't always provide social security, didn't always provide street cleaning, didn't always provide public law enforcement and fire protection.
The government didn't always provide any of those things and more.
"Where is the sense of history in this country? I do not want to be just one of many. I don't want to be a Global citizen, I don't want to part of the Global community. I want this country to be the envy of other nations, I want this country to have the strongest military and the greatest force on earth, I want this country to be seen as the richest and wealthiest nation in the world.
Enough of this Global Community crap. Let's act like Americans"
I don't want to be one of many? eh you are. Now deal with it.
"where is the sense of history?"
I ask that myself everyday, trying to deal with conservatives like you.
Here's a quick lesson in history:
globalization wasn't invented in the 90s.
If it wasn't for Globalization, America would be filled with Red people.
This nation's Spanish, German, British, French, Irish, Italian, Dutch and all the other ancestors including Africans wouldn't be here if it wasn't for globalization.
The Americas were found in hopes of finding more people to trade with and exploit.
Being American is being a globalist.
Why is the name of the most spoken language English? Why is the second most spoken language called Spanish? I don't think England and Spain are on this part of the globe.
Remember the American Revolution? Wher does the word "Revolution" come from? Sound pretty French to me.
Our forefathers were European. Ben Franklin spent ages in France. So did Jefferson. And I'm sure so did others.
Remeber that the first 13 states were won from the British?
Remember the Louisiana Purchase was from the French?
Remember that Spain use to claim most of the west?
We bought Alaska from the Russians?
remember that we controlled the Phillipines, we still control guam, the virgin islands, Puerto Rico and a couple of other island in the Pacific.
We trade with almost every country in the world. We have people living in this country that are from every other country in the world.
You are a global citizen no matter what. Deal with it.
The government didn't always provide public education. They did always provide highways, or National parks, or funding for pharma research, and form subsidies. Didn't always provide flouride in the water, didn't always provide social security, didn't always provide street cleaning, didn't always provide public law enforcement and fire protection.
The government didn't always provide any of those things and more.
"Where is the sense of history in this country? I do not want to be just one of many. I don't want to be a Global citizen, I don't want to part of the Global community. I want this country to be the envy of other nations, I want this country to have the strongest military and the greatest force on earth, I want this country to be seen as the richest and wealthiest nation in the world.
Enough of this Global Community crap. Let's act like Americans"
I don't want to be one of many? eh you are. Now deal with it.
"where is the sense of history?"
I ask that myself everyday, trying to deal with conservatives like you.
Here's a quick lesson in history:
globalization wasn't invented in the 90s.
If it wasn't for Globalization, America would be filled with Red people.
This nation's Spanish, German, British, French, Irish, Italian, Dutch and all the other ancestors including Africans wouldn't be here if it wasn't for globalization.
The Americas were found in hopes of finding more people to trade with and exploit.
Being American is being a globalist.
Why is the name of the most spoken language English? Why is the second most spoken language called Spanish? I don't think England and Spain are on this part of the globe.
Remember the American Revolution? Wher does the word "Revolution" come from? Sound pretty French to me.
Our forefathers were European. Ben Franklin spent ages in France. So did Jefferson. And I'm sure so did others.
Remeber that the first 13 states were won from the British?
Remember the Louisiana Purchase was from the French?
Remember that Spain use to claim most of the west?
We bought Alaska from the Russians?
remember that we controlled the Phillipines, we still control guam, the virgin islands, Puerto Rico and a couple of other island in the Pacific.
We trade with almost every country in the world. We have people living in this country that are from every other country in the world.
You are a global citizen no matter what. Deal with it.
"but it is under attack"
eh yeah, everything is always under attack.
Welcome to the Democratic society. Where things are never stagnant.
The freedom of speech has been under attack since before there even was freedom of speech.
People still ban books and records and censor things on tv and on the radio. ANd they don't allow kids into violent movies and don't allow nakedness in kids magazine.
I'm not allowed to be loud in a library, or allowed to yell fire in a crowded public place.
Slaves weren't allow freedom of speech. Pornography isn't allowed in schools. Free speech still under attack.
Or is free speech under attack only when Obama calls your favorite news channel a talkshow formatted station and not a real news-station. Is that the under attack you're talking about?
Is the White House denied of their freedom of speech?
Yeah, look at Obama abuse Fox News with his words. How dare leaders talk about the misinformation a "news" organization is spreading about them.
Presidents have never done that right?
"so yeah duh....if you want to live where the government controls everything then i suggest you try china...if you want to live under socialism i suggest you try europe"
No I rather stay here. How about you quote where I said I want to live where "the government controls everything". Cause I don't think I ever said that.
I said "You imagine living in this country without government. You imagine writing on the internet without government. Who is protecting your right to write? Who is protecting you from terrorism? from fire?
"Who is helping farmers make a living off of their crops? Who is cleaning our water supply? Who is offering public education? libraries? post office? Who set up regulations that cars should have safety belts, airbags. That there should be speed limits and other traffic laws?
Who is cleaning our streets, cleaning up road kill, conserving forests and national parks like Yellowstone?
"Show me a person that constantly says that people shouldn't depend on the government for things and I'll show you someone that depends on a lot of things from the government.
"I like having roads and street lights and community colleges."
the second to the last paragraph being the point of what I was trying to say.
The government was formed to serve its people. A government by the people FOR THE PEOPLE.
Why do conservatives just get stuck on the "by the people" part?
The government exist to serve the people.
It's not just socialism that serves the people.
Democracy does also.
"but i do like your arguments that obama is no different than bush "
I'm not saying they are the same people, I'm saying why the double standard. Where were the cries of socialism when Bush was trying to control the message in the media?
Where were the comparison between Bush and Chavez, Bush staffers and Mao?
eh yeah, everything is always under attack.
Welcome to the Democratic society. Where things are never stagnant.
The freedom of speech has been under attack since before there even was freedom of speech.
People still ban books and records and censor things on tv and on the radio. ANd they don't allow kids into violent movies and don't allow nakedness in kids magazine.
I'm not allowed to be loud in a library, or allowed to yell fire in a crowded public place.
Slaves weren't allow freedom of speech. Pornography isn't allowed in schools. Free speech still under attack.
Or is free speech under attack only when Obama calls your favorite news channel a talkshow formatted station and not a real news-station. Is that the under attack you're talking about?
Is the White House denied of their freedom of speech?
Yeah, look at Obama abuse Fox News with his words. How dare leaders talk about the misinformation a "news" organization is spreading about them.
Presidents have never done that right?
"so yeah duh....if you want to live where the government controls everything then i suggest you try china...if you want to live under socialism i suggest you try europe"
No I rather stay here. How about you quote where I said I want to live where "the government controls everything". Cause I don't think I ever said that.
I said "You imagine living in this country without government. You imagine writing on the internet without government. Who is protecting your right to write? Who is protecting you from terrorism? from fire?
"Who is helping farmers make a living off of their crops? Who is cleaning our water supply? Who is offering public education? libraries? post office? Who set up regulations that cars should have safety belts, airbags. That there should be speed limits and other traffic laws?
Who is cleaning our streets, cleaning up road kill, conserving forests and national parks like Yellowstone?
"Show me a person that constantly says that people shouldn't depend on the government for things and I'll show you someone that depends on a lot of things from the government.
"I like having roads and street lights and community colleges."
the second to the last paragraph being the point of what I was trying to say.
The government was formed to serve its people. A government by the people FOR THE PEOPLE.
Why do conservatives just get stuck on the "by the people" part?
The government exist to serve the people.
It's not just socialism that serves the people.
Democracy does also.
"but i do like your arguments that obama is no different than bush "
I'm not saying they are the same people, I'm saying why the double standard. Where were the cries of socialism when Bush was trying to control the message in the media?
Where were the comparison between Bush and Chavez, Bush staffers and Mao?
"The freedom of speech has been under attack since before there even was freedom of speech."
and the reason we still have freedom of speech is because we have never laid down and let it be taken from us and i, for one, do not plan on laying down now.
and the reason we still have freedom of speech is because we have never laid down and let it be taken from us and i, for one, do not plan on laying down now.
lecia:
you want to tell me whose right to speak has been taken away?
Who has Obama jailed? What organization has he shut down?
"our government represents corporate ameria and has for a long long long time...obama is no different
Yup our government represents corporate America too, always has. The corporations are part of the U.S. too. And the people that are employees of the corporations get representation too. They get to vote too. They get to support candidates too. If you don't like it, try and get it changed.
you want to tell me whose right to speak has been taken away?
Who has Obama jailed? What organization has he shut down?
"our government represents corporate ameria and has for a long long long time...obama is no different
Yup our government represents corporate America too, always has. The corporations are part of the U.S. too. And the people that are employees of the corporations get representation too. They get to vote too. They get to support candidates too. If you don't like it, try and get it changed.
Write4Life, I have tried to inform the folks on this forum about what's really going on in America but I guess I am no match for The Tavistock Institute and Operation Mockingbird. The vast majority of folks in this forum have been so thoroughly programmed or brainwashed by the Ruling Plutocracy they still believe the collapse of World Trade Center Building Number 7 was NOT a controlled demolition.
Check out Paul Craig Roberts, the father of Reaganomics. He is now blowing the whistle on the criminal activity in politics and the media.
You folks need to understand that the LEFT WING and the RIGHT WING in this country are BOTH ON THE SAME BIRD! That Bird is Named The Empire of The City, controlled by Adolfo Nicolas and his Rothschild and Rockefeller minions.
You folks need to get your heads out of your rectums so you can see the light. Currently, The Evil Bird has you exactly where it wants you..distracted and bickering over relatively unimportant matters while they continue their outrageous criminal activity.
Check out Paul Craig Roberts, a conservative's conservative. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out Paul Craig Roberts, the father of Reaganomics. He is now blowing the whistle on the criminal activity in politics and the media.
You folks need to understand that the LEFT WING and the RIGHT WING in this country are BOTH ON THE SAME BIRD! That Bird is Named The Empire of The City, controlled by Adolfo Nicolas and his Rothschild and Rockefeller minions.
You folks need to get your heads out of your rectums so you can see the light. Currently, The Evil Bird has you exactly where it wants you..distracted and bickering over relatively unimportant matters while they continue their outrageous criminal activity.
Check out Paul Craig Roberts, a conservative's conservative. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright - big guy, calm down - you're going to blow a gasket... I've looked at the information you've sent along and I will say - there is certainly merit to what you and Ross are saying.
I, for one, agree with a lot of the points you both make.
I still believe, however, that Obama is on his own path...and I will not accept the the towers came down by anyother means than Bin Laden and I also believe Obama is a citizen too. So, I think the truthers and the birthers are peas of a pod.
I'll check out Roberts - just as soon as I finish cleaning the kitchen and responding to Amal - who is a lot like me - just on the opposite side of the fence.
I prefer head out of you a** than rectum.
I, for one, agree with a lot of the points you both make.
I still believe, however, that Obama is on his own path...and I will not accept the the towers came down by anyother means than Bin Laden and I also believe Obama is a citizen too. So, I think the truthers and the birthers are peas of a pod.
I'll check out Roberts - just as soon as I finish cleaning the kitchen and responding to Amal - who is a lot like me - just on the opposite side of the fence.
I prefer head out of you a** than rectum.
nice to hear about this news..
Write4Life, I agree with you about FOX. I don't like to watch it, personally, because I don't enjoy its slant, but hey, I don't have cable so that's okay..
I disagree about Obama. While I can see why people would be uncomfortable with his policies, I think that they are necessary. Major overhaul of the country is needed. Similar concerns occured over Social Security with FDR and we're still not a Socialist nation. The government isn't taking over, they're getting us back on our feet.
We are of different political standpoints, but I think this very well-written.
I disagree about Obama. While I can see why people would be uncomfortable with his policies, I think that they are necessary. Major overhaul of the country is needed. Similar concerns occured over Social Security with FDR and we're still not a Socialist nation. The government isn't taking over, they're getting us back on our feet.
We are of different political standpoints, but I think this very well-written.
I respectfully disagree that the government is even remotely trying to get us back on our feet - I think they are placing shackles on instead... BUT ... thank you for the nice comment and I hope you're right actually - I would love to be proven wrong on Obama.
I believe the government owes us basic things like security, structure,amenities like our parks and wildlife, schools and freedom to worship,etc. However, my tax dollars don't make the government OWE me a living. God says in the Bible that every man should work for his living and those who are lazy will starve and be without. However, when someone is disabled and doing everything possible to ensure their needs to be met, God also instructs us to have pity on those less of us and help them-and I believe that that means to help them in such a way that they remain firm in dignity, autonomy, and independence. Chairity should not be relied upon as your sole source of maintaining life. Welfare is chairity in my opinion. It is a TEMPORARY measure and not a source of longterm financial establishment. In brief, the government is not responsible for our food, our basic needs, our shelter. That is a personal responsibility. But, our government should give us rules,laws, and structure in which we can rely upon. Government fails us when terrorists continue to kill our men and women year after year without a clear plan or course of action that has an end. Government fails us when they know our food,medicines,imports,etc are not being properly regulated and ensured for quality and therefore tens,hundreds,thousands die because someone had a political agenda or something that interfere with moral and ethic execution of regulating quality.
These are just some examples of what government SHOULD do and what government is not required, or what we are not entitled, to do.
Don't blame government because your welfare check got cut or lowered in benefits, because you no longer have a CEO income of 1.2 million a year, because your baby no longer has free medical care, and your rent isn't paid by Uncle Sam. If you still have a heart beat, you can work, you can find something to do make a living, you can contribute someway or another to your family. And, if you are struggling with that issue, you need to use a condom and not make any more babies and feel ENTITLED to have tax payers pay for your 15 minutes of procreation!
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These are just some examples of what government SHOULD do and what government is not required, or what we are not entitled, to do.
Don't blame government because your welfare check got cut or lowered in benefits, because you no longer have a CEO income of 1.2 million a year, because your baby no longer has free medical care, and your rent isn't paid by Uncle Sam. If you still have a heart beat, you can work, you can find something to do make a living, you can contribute someway or another to your family. And, if you are struggling with that issue, you need to use a condom and not make any more babies and feel ENTITLED to have tax payers pay for your 15 minutes of procreation!
ASHER KADE VIA MOBILE
I love that new "text" talk. You don't even need to spell correctly!
FOX is a gud news channel
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