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Obama says no extra troops until Karzai proves election was credible! Q & A: Afghanistan elections, what's next?

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Kabul : Afghanistan | about 1 month ago  
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  • Will a new election change anything?
    Will a new election change anything?
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    Will a new election change anything?
  • General McChrystal, U.S. and NATO military chief in Afghanistan, speaks to an unidentified man during a memorial ceremony, at the Afghan parliament house in Kabul
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Will a new election change anything?

I must admit I am stunned that Republicans are insisting the additional 40,000 troops that General McChrystal wants and now despite the fact that their is no Government in Afghanistan. Afghanistan's Electoral complaint's commission has thrown out thousands of fraudulent votes cast for Karzai! Karzai's representatives have indicated that they might not accept the ECC ruling which has sparked a flurry of diplomatic activity to avoid a protracted political crisis. Election Audit Said to Show Karzai Has 48 Percent

This will embolden the enemy but what are we going to do? Once again we are between a rock and a hard place. I am not convinced that adding thousands of more troops would do anything but get them killed because the people do not back Karzai and are indifferent to the Taliban. The IEC (independent election committee) is seen as not likely to accept the ECC findings as they are seen as corrupt and favor Karzai! Hamid Karzai 'stripped of outright win' after fraud inquiry

Abdullah Abdullah will entertain a power sharing deal with Karzai but first he has to accept Afghanistan's Electoral complaint's commission findings and he will not. We can not keep our troops in the middle of this mess to be killed for what? Afghanistan has never had a central Government and we can not enforce one especially a corrupt one the people do not want! what are the options? Q & A: Afghanistan elections, what's next?

I heard this morning that with 1/3 of Karzai's votes rejected as fraudulent he is now prepared to admit he did not win the election out right and agreed to a runoff election in 7 days! What does this mean? Power sharing? When? Remember no accepted Government no new troops regardless of the mission! This is critical! We can not put our troops in the middle of this fraud of a Government, death, violence, corruption and volatility forever! Time to step up now! Karzai's brother is a drug lord and was found rigging ballots. Why would we think a new vote would bring new results? I just see increased violence and corruption in this battle between truth and fraud to control Afghanistan!

What we should do after the people get their central Government if that is what they want and not what Karzai wants is go home: I reiterate that Our soldiers did their job send them home. Unless their job is to create as many enemies as possible which is all they are doing in Afghanistan get them out. Getting rid of Al Qaeda and eliminating their Afghan safe haven was supposed to be the goal not building a puppet Government like in Vietnam. Staying in Afghanistan I understand has only brought a threat from the Taliban to attack us in the US once they get us out of Afghanistan. The alternative to getting out now is adding more troops and staying there in the forever war Bush set up. They said we have two options making the issue black and white, right or wrong, which only highlights the politicization of the issue. Our choices are not All in or Withdraw. Making this an issue of doing it the Republican way or the Democrat way is the problem. Think! Do it the right way!

Refocus the mission! After 8 years of mismanagement under Bush it is right that Obama take time think and listen to good advice not war mongering Republicans. McChrystal is out to accomplish the wrong goal! Listen to Max Cleland who has learned the lessons of Vietnam the hard way. Listen to Biden! Listen to McCain, then think about it and do the right thing.

They may be now but the Taliban was not the enemy Al Qaeda was and is they attacked us not the Taliban. We keep hearing the Taliban are resurging. Who the hell cares as long as they stay in Afghanistan. THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY! At least they weren't! Or is the friggen goal to see how many Muslim's we can get to fight us? Get out and Monitor them with drones. Work on Al Qaeda around the world! Afghanistan and the Taliban as I said were not the enemy though they may be now! Karzai is using us so he can steal Afghanistan for him and his brother! We do not need a hundred years ground war unless keeping our military and a war going in Afghanistan is how they plan on saving and driving our economy!

James Joiner

Gardner, ma

http://www.anaveragepatriot.com

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  • Posted By ettolar ettolar | about 1 month ago
    nice
  • Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | about 1 month ago
    Thanks!
  • Posted By MichelleDavisKeen MichelleDavisKeen | about 1 month ago
    hmmm
  • Posted By wwddssaa wwddssaa | about 1 month ago
    Rofl
  • Posted By ektarr ektarr | about 1 month ago
    Stop the deployment of troops to this no win situation. These soldiers have families that suffer every minute they remain in such violent circumstances..
  • Posted By lunchables lunchables | about 1 month ago
    i agree with ektarr
  • Posted By Changez Changez | about 1 month ago
    Obama shoudl definitely insist that a full recount take place or he will conden this entire exercise to propping up an illegal regime, something that the US and the Afghan mission cannot afford right now. It is a serious problem for him to overcome and soon.
  • Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | about 1 month ago
    I agree with ektarr too!

    changez Buddy! I have faith that Obama will ignore the Republicans and do the right thing! The runoff is 11/7 and if that works we should hear from Obama about then!
  • Posted By TomCat TomCat | about 1 month ago
    One of two things will happen.

    1) We will learn that the runoff was just as corrupt as the original.
    2) We will learn the election was honest, meaning that we will be denied the truth that it was just as corrupt as the original.

    But here's the rub...

    Mad Mike pointed out that our troops in Afghanistan are part of an international force decreed by UN mandate, sold to the UN by the Bush/GOP regime. Because we are engaged as an international force, wouldn't we have to withdraw as an international force?
  • Posted By jmsjoin jmsjoin | about 1 month ago
    You're right Tom! Karzai's drug lord brother did the 1 million fraudulent votes I expect it more subtle and arm twisting but we will see otherwise Abdullah will get it! We should all get the hell out!
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