SARAH PALIN’S IDEA’S ON ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, CLEARLY SUPERIOR TO WHAT’S CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED BY OBAMA’S ENERGY PICK’S.
For as much time as the critics spend scrutinizing and bashing Sarah Palin on everything from being too Conservative, Pro-Life, Pro Gun Rights, a hockey mom, too attractive to be smart, the worn out “I can see Russia from my front Porch” comment, they can never fault her for being right on Energy Policy.
In a recent article she wrote for National Review Online, Sarah Palin gives us some insight into where this country needs to take its Energy Policy. Her experience, insights and common sense approach in handling our Energy needs, runs circles around the approach currently being taken by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Obama Energy & Climate Change Czar, Carol Browner.
ENERGY INDEPENCE COMES DOWN TO TWO OPTIONS:
There is no denying the fact that we are still very dependent on foreign oil and are not going to reduce this dependency anytime soon until one of two things happen. We decide to move away from oil and fossil fuels completely and immerse ourselves into alternative sources of energy such as Electricity, Natural gas, Biofuels and other renewable sources as dictated by central planners who desire a one size fits all approach & solution, or we can tap into our own abundant resources right here at home.
The answer is obvious except to environmentalists who still insist on protecting our shores and remote stretches of desolate land in Alaska (ANWR) from being drilled for billions of barrels of oil & trillions of cubic ft. of Natural Gas. Gas & oil that is still going to be needed even if every single car on the road today were converted to run on something other than gas.
NO MATTER WHAT, WE WILL ALSO NEED OIL
Of the 19.5 million barrels per day (bpd) that we consume daily, we produce only about 4.95 bpd or 25% of it. 66% is used for motor & diesel fuels which means that we still require about 6.5 bpd to use on non automotive necessities such as jet fuel, plastics, petrochemicals, fertilizers, pesticides and pharmaceuticals. Oil that we will still depend on from foreign countries - some being of our enemies.
According to Sarah Palin, “We’ll continue that dependence until we develop our own oil resources to their fullest extent”.
So with this in mind, how is Obama’s hand picked triumvirate of Energy Gurus tackling this problem? What have their collective minds laid out as sound & sensible Energy Policy during the past 10 months? Let’s examine their records a little closer.
On transitioning to cleaner fuels and electric vehicles, here is the game plan:
Ken Salazar, Obama’s Interior Secretary would like to see gas prices skyrocket to the $8-$10 per gallon level and would oppose lifting the offshore drilling moratorium even if gas prices were to reach these prices.
In other words, instead of implementing a sure fire approach like Sarah Palin’s idea of drilling now to build up our reserves and create millions of jobs in the process, our Interior Secretary would prefer to see you pay $10 for a gallon of gasoline as a way to force you to perhaps purchase one of those Greener more fuel efficient Lawn Mowers with two seats called cars made by GM.
The fact that we are no where near in the development of Electric cars and alternative sources of energy, makes you wonder about the mindset behind such a reckless approach.
Salazar is also a strong opponent of developing oil shale on public lands where it is most abundant and would reap the most benefits in terms of building up our reserves and creating jobs. Salazar has voted yes on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. He has also voted to remove the establishment of an oil and gas leasing program in the Alaskan Coastal Plain. So, as you see, Mr. Salazar’s has taken many measures along the way with the intention on making good on his wish of creating a $10 gallon of gasoline.
Steven Chu - your Energy Secretary, is also on record as saying that “We have to find a way to boost the price levels of gasoline to European levels”. Steven Chu who scolded you and all Americans on embracing his Green Jobs & Global Warming Agenda during a a smart grid conference in Washington, said the following:
“The American public…just like your teenage kids, aren’t acting in a way that they should act. The American public has to really understand in their core how important this issue is.”
In other words, Steven Chu doesn’t think you are mature enough to see how adding one job at the expense of three results in a net positive. He doesn’t think you have the know to figure out that Cap & Trade is simply a wealth redistribution scheme that takes money away from the middle & poor class and gives it to the elites. A scheme that will add thousands of dollars to your electricity rates and destroy 3 jobs for each one it creates.
Another part of his brilliance on transitioning to a green world, is by painting your roofs white. Paint .Paint is the Answer.
"If you look at all the buildings and if you make the roofs white and if you make the pavement more of a concrete type of colour rather than a black type of colour and if you do that uniformally, that would be the equivalent of... reducing the carbon emissions due to all the cars in the world by 11 years – just taking them off the road for 11 years," he said.
According to the administration, this is part of the best & the brightest that has been chosen to lead our country towards Energy Independence. You can’t make this stuff up.
Finally, our climate czarina, Carol Browner. The neon green radical who headed the Environmental Protection Agency from 1993-2000, was ex-commissioner of Socialist International, a worldwide organization of Democratic Socialists and a rethread from the Clinton administration, has been touted by some as the most powerful official in the Obama administration to determine the fate of America. Scary.
With that said, one of the most underhanded things she tried to do was undermine & kill an effort between the coal industry & a number of green groups to jointly support government aid in developing technology that would have significantly reduced the environmental toll of coal use. A move made for strictly ideological reasons without regard or concern for the cost or availability of electricity for our citizens.
Browner's White House position is newly created. It did not require Senate confirmation. Congress has little or no power over her decisions. Congress cannot limit outside influences on Browner, since Presidential executive privilege covers her actions. Much in the same fashion that it did for Van Jones, our former Green Jobs Czar.
Sarah Palin if given the opportunity, could have done the job that is now taking three people to try and do. She smartly points out that while a shift towards electric powered vehicles by the government may work in areas like Los Angeles, it may not be such a good idea in Alaska where you may drive long stretches without coming across people let alone many electrical sockets.
She points out that that you still need a clean energy source to produce the electricity that powers these cars. That is why in Alaska, they are developing the largest private-sector energy project in history — a 3,000-mile, $40 billion pipeline to transport hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of natural gas to markets across the United States. Natural gas is abundant throughout the US and it is very easy to collect and process.
She also talks about the need to build more refineries and protect ourselves from the potential of natural catastrophies like hurricane Katrina which caused the price of oil & gas to skyrocket as a result of knocking a few refineries.Continued environmental regulations has decreased the number of refineries in the US from a high of 300 in the 1970’s to a current low of 150.
She points out how become energy independent using our own resources will create millions of permanent jobs that can never be shipped overseas. We transfer billions of dollars a year to foreign countries that could be invested in our struggling economy. As long as we are headed down the path laid out by our current Energy triumvirate, we will continue to be weakened and held hostage by repressive regimes that know we need their oil.
So we can listen to smart and solution based ideas which will ultimately lead us to energy independence and freedom, or we can join lock and step with the extreme views and desires we are being force fed. The choice is simple.As Sarah Palin likes to say, “Drill, Baby Drill”.
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Red - good article and excellent talking points. The shame on us, is the fact that people are always dismissing Palin. She's been so horribly tainted by the left that the majority of Americans dislike her and won't listen to her and she does have a great many excellent ideas.
Thanks for bringing them up and for also mentioning the connections that Czarina has. It's important to constantly remind America of the truth in the current adminstration's past.
The Kyoto treaty and cap and trade - sure fire ways to send every bit of manufacturing in this nation to Brazil, India and China.
Thanks for bringing them up and for also mentioning the connections that Czarina has. It's important to constantly remind America of the truth in the current adminstration's past.
The Kyoto treaty and cap and trade - sure fire ways to send every bit of manufacturing in this nation to Brazil, India and China.
W4L,
To me, she makes a lot of good sense. Her ideas on Energy Policy are solid and would create millions of permanent jobs.
We all know that Sarah Palin is the biggest threat to the Left and that has been the reason she has been & continues to be unfairly tainted.
I am sure that before it's all said and done, she will make some big contributions to this country. I sure hope that it is not too far off in the future.
To me, she makes a lot of good sense. Her ideas on Energy Policy are solid and would create millions of permanent jobs.
We all know that Sarah Palin is the biggest threat to the Left and that has been the reason she has been & continues to be unfairly tainted.
I am sure that before it's all said and done, she will make some big contributions to this country. I sure hope that it is not too far off in the future.
"Sarah Palin gives us some insight into where this country needs to take its Energy Policy. Her experience, insights and common sense approach in handling our Energy needs, runs circles around the approach currently being taken by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Obama Energy & Climate Change Czar, Carol Browner."
Just that statement alone makes whatever else you got to say laughable.
You use the quote about Americans acting like teenagers and then try to make fun of more fuel efficient car and smaller cars "Lawn Mowers", sounds pretty childish to me.
That's exactly the kind of thing that would qualify as acting like teenagers.
So in trying to get people to buy and therefore demand more fuel efficient cars, are you saying that they are wrong and it won't effect our thirst for foreign oil? And if anyone wants to by those "lawn mowers" they should feel emasculated? Or am I reading too much into that statement?
But anyway the quote is used wrongly. you are trying to make it sound like he is calling the American people uruly teenagers, but he is saying more like "the American people and especially teenagers both need to be educated on the how everyday things can change our effects on the enviroment."
The quote was taken from Chu talking about the Enviromental talks that the EPA are doing across a bunch of schools nationwide, about energy efficiency. That the message needs to go out to more than just the kids the Talks were given to, but the broader American Public.
"Finally, our climate czarina, Carol Browner. The neon green radical who headed the Environmental Protection Agency from 1993-2000, was ex-commissioner of Socialist International, a worldwide organization of Democratic Socialists and a rethread from the Clinton administration, has been touted by some as the most powerful official in the Obama administration to determine the fate of America. Scary."
You guys really need to figure out who exactly if the most powerful person in the White House. It's hard to keep track of everyone. Cause first it was Van Jones and Rahm Emanuel. Then it is Axelrod and Jarrett. Then it was ACORN running everything. The North Koreans and Iran were calling the shot too. The Gays had control last week. The science czar, and some other czar and then some campaign contributors, all of Wall Street. And now it's Carol Browner.
This is the kind of thing Arthur Miller wrote about and Murrows broadcasted about.
Just like always your criticise anything and everything corporate America employs lobbyists for.
In a time of high oil prices, trouble in oil producing countries, pollution and carbon related diseases companies like GM, Ford, Chrysler made Hummers, Escalades, Expeditions, Explorers and other gigantic expensive cars. And people gobbled them up like idiots, agreeing to car loans no one should have been getting.
All the while the practical people were buying smaller more afforable cars. And who do you think fared better during the gas prices peaked under Bush? Who do you think is faring better in the economy that's we're in right now?
The guy down my block who's been trying to sell his Hummer for two years and can't get rid of it, or my neighbor who bought a japanese sedan that gives him 35 mpg.
And to try and make fun of Steven Chu for asking people to consider painting their roofs white istead of black the next time they are doing their roof. And gettng government to consider turning the roads to a lighter color instead of black the next time they work on the roads are great ideas. THey are easy to institute and have positive implications on the enviroment. And will also employ a few extra people.
Just the reflection of the light off of the white and light colored tops would save on energy bills and reduce a buildup of green house gases in the atmosphere. (I learned crap like that in grade school science class, high school physics class and in a college Environmental Biology class) I was told the reason why a lot of buildings around the equator are white to keep them cooler, because they reflect the sun light. It is just your run of the mill science, grade school kids know this.
Upto to 15% of a person's AC bill would go down per month because of their roofs being painted white. That means cheaper electricity bill, that mean less dependence on energy.
That's called being practical, not liberal, not socialist, not anything else sinister. And being practical helps bills and the environment.
"Ken Salazar, Obama’s Interior Secretary would like to see gas prices skyrocket to the $8-$10 per gallon level and would oppose lifting the offshore drilling moratorium even if gas prices were to reach these prices."
He's also in favor of getting to those oil shales you want. He's also in favor of getting money the oil companies owed to the U.S. government for leasing the land they already lease from the government. The money the oil companies did not pay the past 8 years. A sum of about $50 billion dollars.
And when exactly did Salazar say he wants gas prices to rise to $10? Cause I can't find anything that says that anywhere.
If we started drilling today. Right now in and around the country. Tonight. We would not start to profit from the drilling until 2018. We are trying to be get the green industry to be active long before that. and be less dependent on fossil fuels before that.
On top of that the U.S. gets most of its oil from non-Gulf countries. And a vast majority of its oil from non-OPEC countries.
Just that statement alone makes whatever else you got to say laughable.
You use the quote about Americans acting like teenagers and then try to make fun of more fuel efficient car and smaller cars "Lawn Mowers", sounds pretty childish to me.
That's exactly the kind of thing that would qualify as acting like teenagers.
So in trying to get people to buy and therefore demand more fuel efficient cars, are you saying that they are wrong and it won't effect our thirst for foreign oil? And if anyone wants to by those "lawn mowers" they should feel emasculated? Or am I reading too much into that statement?
But anyway the quote is used wrongly. you are trying to make it sound like he is calling the American people uruly teenagers, but he is saying more like "the American people and especially teenagers both need to be educated on the how everyday things can change our effects on the enviroment."
The quote was taken from Chu talking about the Enviromental talks that the EPA are doing across a bunch of schools nationwide, about energy efficiency. That the message needs to go out to more than just the kids the Talks were given to, but the broader American Public.
"Finally, our climate czarina, Carol Browner. The neon green radical who headed the Environmental Protection Agency from 1993-2000, was ex-commissioner of Socialist International, a worldwide organization of Democratic Socialists and a rethread from the Clinton administration, has been touted by some as the most powerful official in the Obama administration to determine the fate of America. Scary."
You guys really need to figure out who exactly if the most powerful person in the White House. It's hard to keep track of everyone. Cause first it was Van Jones and Rahm Emanuel. Then it is Axelrod and Jarrett. Then it was ACORN running everything. The North Koreans and Iran were calling the shot too. The Gays had control last week. The science czar, and some other czar and then some campaign contributors, all of Wall Street. And now it's Carol Browner.
This is the kind of thing Arthur Miller wrote about and Murrows broadcasted about.
Just like always your criticise anything and everything corporate America employs lobbyists for.
In a time of high oil prices, trouble in oil producing countries, pollution and carbon related diseases companies like GM, Ford, Chrysler made Hummers, Escalades, Expeditions, Explorers and other gigantic expensive cars. And people gobbled them up like idiots, agreeing to car loans no one should have been getting.
All the while the practical people were buying smaller more afforable cars. And who do you think fared better during the gas prices peaked under Bush? Who do you think is faring better in the economy that's we're in right now?
The guy down my block who's been trying to sell his Hummer for two years and can't get rid of it, or my neighbor who bought a japanese sedan that gives him 35 mpg.
And to try and make fun of Steven Chu for asking people to consider painting their roofs white istead of black the next time they are doing their roof. And gettng government to consider turning the roads to a lighter color instead of black the next time they work on the roads are great ideas. THey are easy to institute and have positive implications on the enviroment. And will also employ a few extra people.
Just the reflection of the light off of the white and light colored tops would save on energy bills and reduce a buildup of green house gases in the atmosphere. (I learned crap like that in grade school science class, high school physics class and in a college Environmental Biology class) I was told the reason why a lot of buildings around the equator are white to keep them cooler, because they reflect the sun light. It is just your run of the mill science, grade school kids know this.
Upto to 15% of a person's AC bill would go down per month because of their roofs being painted white. That means cheaper electricity bill, that mean less dependence on energy.
That's called being practical, not liberal, not socialist, not anything else sinister. And being practical helps bills and the environment.
"Ken Salazar, Obama’s Interior Secretary would like to see gas prices skyrocket to the $8-$10 per gallon level and would oppose lifting the offshore drilling moratorium even if gas prices were to reach these prices."
He's also in favor of getting to those oil shales you want. He's also in favor of getting money the oil companies owed to the U.S. government for leasing the land they already lease from the government. The money the oil companies did not pay the past 8 years. A sum of about $50 billion dollars.
And when exactly did Salazar say he wants gas prices to rise to $10? Cause I can't find anything that says that anywhere.
If we started drilling today. Right now in and around the country. Tonight. We would not start to profit from the drilling until 2018. We are trying to be get the green industry to be active long before that. and be less dependent on fossil fuels before that.
On top of that the U.S. gets most of its oil from non-Gulf countries. And a vast majority of its oil from non-OPEC countries.
A80, actually, I hope that Sarah Palin does run for president in 2012. It would be the best gift Democrats could ask for.
You made some excellent rebuttal points in your comment.
You made some excellent rebuttal points in your comment.
D,
I think the best gift we can ask for is, that Hillary doesn't decide to run against Barack Obama for the Dem nomination and that he decides that he wants to run. It will be like taking candy away from a baby.
I think the best gift we can ask for is, that Hillary doesn't decide to run against Barack Obama for the Dem nomination and that he decides that he wants to run. It will be like taking candy away from a baby.
A,
The three Energy experts I highlight here, all have extreme ideas that all include keeping America from drilling for more oil on it's shores and land.
It's ten months into this administration and they don't have anything to show for their time in office yet. Meanwhile, in the short time Sarah palin was Governor, she has put together one of the biggest projects in the world that will provide the lower 48 states with much needed Natural gas. She took on her own party and brought about much needed reform to her states oil industry.
As I said, regardless of the fact that even if we get to the point of powering up all of our vehicles by way of Electricity, we still about 7 bpd to meet all of our other oil needs. They don't have a plan for that yet.
Chu's remarks were meant as an insult to the intelligence of Americans. If the best he has is white roof's, we are in deep S**t.
You are wrong on Ken Salazar regarding oil shale. Read the article. I found the 8-10 a gallon for gas quote easily, if you want the link let me know.
There has been no measurable progress in any type of Green Technology. We are light years away from an electric car that can be driven in all markets, not only in LA. You are putting too much hope in Cap & Trade. Our economy is stronger when we build oil refineries, Nuclear Plants and drill for our own oil. These projects and ideas create permanent jobs and make keep us free from the reaches of repressive nations that want our oil money but wnat to cause harm to us as well.
The three Energy experts I highlight here, all have extreme ideas that all include keeping America from drilling for more oil on it's shores and land.
It's ten months into this administration and they don't have anything to show for their time in office yet. Meanwhile, in the short time Sarah palin was Governor, she has put together one of the biggest projects in the world that will provide the lower 48 states with much needed Natural gas. She took on her own party and brought about much needed reform to her states oil industry.
As I said, regardless of the fact that even if we get to the point of powering up all of our vehicles by way of Electricity, we still about 7 bpd to meet all of our other oil needs. They don't have a plan for that yet.
Chu's remarks were meant as an insult to the intelligence of Americans. If the best he has is white roof's, we are in deep S**t.
You are wrong on Ken Salazar regarding oil shale. Read the article. I found the 8-10 a gallon for gas quote easily, if you want the link let me know.
There has been no measurable progress in any type of Green Technology. We are light years away from an electric car that can be driven in all markets, not only in LA. You are putting too much hope in Cap & Trade. Our economy is stronger when we build oil refineries, Nuclear Plants and drill for our own oil. These projects and ideas create permanent jobs and make keep us free from the reaches of repressive nations that want our oil money but wnat to cause harm to us as well.
I figured that's what you were talking about.
Yeah he doesn't say he wants to raise the price of oil to $10. He says he doesn't want to allow offshore drilling. It's not the same thing. Your claims are wrong. He also says why he's opposed to the drilling. It's a "phantom solution".
The thing being debated was a plan to drill offshore so that we could have lower gas prices, this was back during the over $4 a gallon prices in Bush era. But like I said before if they had gotten what they wanted, we wouldn't have seen the results till 2016. hence phantom solution.
Yeah he doesn't say he wants to raise the price of oil to $10. He says he doesn't want to allow offshore drilling. It's not the same thing. Your claims are wrong. He also says why he's opposed to the drilling. It's a "phantom solution".
The thing being debated was a plan to drill offshore so that we could have lower gas prices, this was back during the over $4 a gallon prices in Bush era. But like I said before if they had gotten what they wanted, we wouldn't have seen the results till 2016. hence phantom solution.
A,
Here is a youtube link showing Mr. Salazar objecting to offshore drilling even if the price of gas hits $10.00 a gallon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0FcNNeuf0E&feature=player_embedded
Here is a youtube link showing Mr. Salazar objecting to offshore drilling even if the price of gas hits $10.00 a gallon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0FcNNeuf0E&feature=player_embedded
"Chu's remarks were meant as an insult to the intelligence of Americans. If the best he has is white roof's, we are in deep S**t."
Yeah, you'd be right if these were the best ideas. It's a good thing they are not. These are just the easy common sense ideas. Ideas at can be implemented very quickly and easily and cheaply, with instant results as well. It's like adding insolation to your homes and making sure your windows and doors don't have leaks. Normal everyday things you can do to your home. Like keeping air in your tires and obeying speed limits, saves gas in your car. These are personal responsibility issue. Conservatives should be getting behind ideas like that.
What project did Sarah Palin put together?
The whatever amount we're going to need even after we are a green energy economy, we can get it from countries we are friendly with and if things turn unfriendlly we can get the oil from other countries. Mexico, Nigeria, Canada, Brazil, Algeria, Ecuador, Virgin Island...we get oil and petroleum from all those countries. It's good to trade with countries.
"There has been no measurable progress in any type of Green Technology. We are light years away from an electric car that can be driven in all markets, not only in LA."
Are you kidding, no measurable progress in Green Technology. Listen I don't know where you live and how far out you are from farmland, but I live in Chicago. If I drive out an hour, I start to see giant windmills. They supply my state with green energy.
This summer I drove to Texas and Pennslyvania. Windmills all over there too.
In 2010 the Volt releases. There are already all sorts of hybrids. There are all sorts of technoloy and energy being gathered through solar cells.
And don't worry, if the American car companies are slow developing a better electric car, the Chinese. European, Japanese, Russians and just about every other car making company in the world is trying to develope a leapfrog like technology concerning cars and other forms of transportations.
If the Americans don't develope and adapt to this, then we will miss out on a world consumer/industry trend going on globally.
There are all sorts of other fuels in the works. If everything continues to improve, the nation's energy network will look nothing like what it is today. In ten years from now we will probably in the middle of a clean energy transformation phase.
"Our economy is stronger when we build oil refineries, Nuclear Plants and drill for our own oil"
I would say our economy was strong when we build oil refineries and all the other things you want done. "Was" being the key word. Now we move the country into a newer kind of industrial revolution, a clean industry revolution. Or at least cleaner industry.
New jobs will be made, leading to new industry and newer jobs and a parts market and even newer jobs and so on and so on.
What will happen is that oil companies will start to shrink. Because demand for their product will drop significantly, because a new industry will be available to steal their customers away. Oil will have to compete will cleaner energy and a more responisble consumer. And so will dirty coal.
I think the Nuclear plants are still on the table as far as Obama and his administration is concerned.
The US already produces over 5 mil. bpd and the oil companies don't even use all of the land they already lease from the government. How about we get them to use all of that land first before we give them more. Let's see if they can produse over 7 mil bpd if they use all the land they already are allowed to drill in.
How about you rally the oil companies to start drilling in areas that it already has?
I'll back you up on that one. They already lease it, might as well drill on it. If not give the land back and we'll see if they want to lease some other land, only after they give up the lease for the land they aren't drilling in.
Yeah, you'd be right if these were the best ideas. It's a good thing they are not. These are just the easy common sense ideas. Ideas at can be implemented very quickly and easily and cheaply, with instant results as well. It's like adding insolation to your homes and making sure your windows and doors don't have leaks. Normal everyday things you can do to your home. Like keeping air in your tires and obeying speed limits, saves gas in your car. These are personal responsibility issue. Conservatives should be getting behind ideas like that.
What project did Sarah Palin put together?
The whatever amount we're going to need even after we are a green energy economy, we can get it from countries we are friendly with and if things turn unfriendlly we can get the oil from other countries. Mexico, Nigeria, Canada, Brazil, Algeria, Ecuador, Virgin Island...we get oil and petroleum from all those countries. It's good to trade with countries.
"There has been no measurable progress in any type of Green Technology. We are light years away from an electric car that can be driven in all markets, not only in LA."
Are you kidding, no measurable progress in Green Technology. Listen I don't know where you live and how far out you are from farmland, but I live in Chicago. If I drive out an hour, I start to see giant windmills. They supply my state with green energy.
This summer I drove to Texas and Pennslyvania. Windmills all over there too.
In 2010 the Volt releases. There are already all sorts of hybrids. There are all sorts of technoloy and energy being gathered through solar cells.
And don't worry, if the American car companies are slow developing a better electric car, the Chinese. European, Japanese, Russians and just about every other car making company in the world is trying to develope a leapfrog like technology concerning cars and other forms of transportations.
If the Americans don't develope and adapt to this, then we will miss out on a world consumer/industry trend going on globally.
There are all sorts of other fuels in the works. If everything continues to improve, the nation's energy network will look nothing like what it is today. In ten years from now we will probably in the middle of a clean energy transformation phase.
"Our economy is stronger when we build oil refineries, Nuclear Plants and drill for our own oil"
I would say our economy was strong when we build oil refineries and all the other things you want done. "Was" being the key word. Now we move the country into a newer kind of industrial revolution, a clean industry revolution. Or at least cleaner industry.
New jobs will be made, leading to new industry and newer jobs and a parts market and even newer jobs and so on and so on.
What will happen is that oil companies will start to shrink. Because demand for their product will drop significantly, because a new industry will be available to steal their customers away. Oil will have to compete will cleaner energy and a more responisble consumer. And so will dirty coal.
I think the Nuclear plants are still on the table as far as Obama and his administration is concerned.
The US already produces over 5 mil. bpd and the oil companies don't even use all of the land they already lease from the government. How about we get them to use all of that land first before we give them more. Let's see if they can produse over 7 mil bpd if they use all the land they already are allowed to drill in.
How about you rally the oil companies to start drilling in areas that it already has?
I'll back you up on that one. They already lease it, might as well drill on it. If not give the land back and we'll see if they want to lease some other land, only after they give up the lease for the land they aren't drilling in.
A,
The 3,000 Natural Gas Pipeline is one of the biggest projects of it's in the world.
The 3,000 Natural Gas Pipeline is one of the biggest projects of it's in the world.
"in the short time Sarah palin was Governor, she has put together one of the biggest projects in the world that will provide the lower 48 states with much needed Natural gas. She took on her own party and brought about much needed reform to her states oil industry."
You think that project is one of the biggest projects to be done in the world? ok if you say so.
You think that project is one of the biggest projects to be done in the world? ok if you say so.
A80
The project that she is responsible for is the 3,000 mile Natural Gas pipeline that will run from Alaska inot some of the lower 48 states. This pipeline will provide trillions of cubit ft. of musch need "clean Energy" to be used by all Americans.
She put this project together while serving proudly as Governor of Alaska.
The project that she is responsible for is the 3,000 mile Natural Gas pipeline that will run from Alaska inot some of the lower 48 states. This pipeline will provide trillions of cubit ft. of musch need "clean Energy" to be used by all Americans.
She put this project together while serving proudly as Governor of Alaska.
$8 gas would be a godsend for the US economy, it would kill rampant consumerism, force people to buy more efficient cars & help fund projects to upgrade creaking rail, mass transit & energy infrastructure. Another quite likely result is people actually saving for their future, instead of funding 23.4% APR on store/debit/credit cards
But who am I kidding
But who am I kidding
Polorise,
You try telling that to anyone struggling to make ends meet and they will laugh in your face. If that were the case, at $10 a pack people would have stopped smoking a long time ago.
The Stimulus package was to supposed fund some of those projects you mentioned, how is that working out so far?
The reason people are still paying down their credits is because we have 10% percent unemployment. If you are out of work, it's kind of hard to pay off your debt let alone pay $8 a gallon for gas.
You try telling that to anyone struggling to make ends meet and they will laugh in your face. If that were the case, at $10 a pack people would have stopped smoking a long time ago.
The Stimulus package was to supposed fund some of those projects you mentioned, how is that working out so far?
The reason people are still paying down their credits is because we have 10% percent unemployment. If you are out of work, it's kind of hard to pay off your debt let alone pay $8 a gallon for gas.
changez,
I think Sarah Palin makes sense. She understands the need for a mix of alternate sources of energy, but she is also cognizant of the fact that no matter what, we will always need oil. hurricane Katrina proved that as we were not prepared to utilize our reserves since they were not at the levels necessary to use freely.
We are quick to jump on Sarah Palin for her ideas about offshore drillin, but the same people that criticize her have no problems with countries like Venezuela, Mexico & all the other OPEC nations who drill at will and never abide by their environmental laws. It is hypocritical in a way. We need to build up our reserves and build more refineries to ensure that we continue to supply and meet our needs even if we went completely green. We would still need more than 7 bpd to neet those needs. Currently we produce about 4.95 bpd.
I think Sarah Palin makes sense. She understands the need for a mix of alternate sources of energy, but she is also cognizant of the fact that no matter what, we will always need oil. hurricane Katrina proved that as we were not prepared to utilize our reserves since they were not at the levels necessary to use freely.
We are quick to jump on Sarah Palin for her ideas about offshore drillin, but the same people that criticize her have no problems with countries like Venezuela, Mexico & all the other OPEC nations who drill at will and never abide by their environmental laws. It is hypocritical in a way. We need to build up our reserves and build more refineries to ensure that we continue to supply and meet our needs even if we went completely green. We would still need more than 7 bpd to neet those needs. Currently we produce about 4.95 bpd.
America cannot be like Europe in any shape, form, or fashion. Europeans pay 9 euros a liter for gas because they racially discriminate against Muslims. At least the USA has an alliance with Saudi Arabia so that gas is cheaper than in other places in this world. I am also glad that Sarah Palin is getting way better consultation than when the McCain campaign was advising her. McCain campaign had the dullest bulbs in the box on his staff with Nicole Wallace and Tucker Bounds (I look like Eli Manning, but I got punked out by Campbell Brown, the worst journalist on TV). I apologize for bringing up a Giants reference, but that was their only loss yesterday.
Nonsense, absolute nonsense.
Europeans pay hig prices for petroil, due to the after effect of the Second World War. As an extension of rationing & also to raise funds to repay the US for the Marshall Plan. Nothing to do with Islam my friend.
Petrol prices have remained high, as it is deemed a luxury, unlike in the US & elsewhere. In Switzerland for example, it has contributed more than 30 Billion chf to the government over the last 15 years. The money is placed in a fund that can only be used for investing in transport infrastructure. How do you think they keep all those nice railways & tunnels running.
Europeans pay hig prices for petroil, due to the after effect of the Second World War. As an extension of rationing & also to raise funds to repay the US for the Marshall Plan. Nothing to do with Islam my friend.
Petrol prices have remained high, as it is deemed a luxury, unlike in the US & elsewhere. In Switzerland for example, it has contributed more than 30 Billion chf to the government over the last 15 years. The money is placed in a fund that can only be used for investing in transport infrastructure. How do you think they keep all those nice railways & tunnels running.
"Upto to 15% of a person's AC bill would go down per month because of their roofs being painted white. That means cheaper electricity bill, that mean less dependence on energy."
That claim appears utterly ridiculous; do you have a link to back it up? While it would clearly reduce the heat in our attics, we don't pay to use our air conditioners there, and if a house is properly insulated, it won't have much of an effect on cooling the rest of the house.
By that logic, if we paint our roofs black, we should save money during the winter due to solar heating... again, not likely...
That claim appears utterly ridiculous; do you have a link to back it up? While it would clearly reduce the heat in our attics, we don't pay to use our air conditioners there, and if a house is properly insulated, it won't have much of an effect on cooling the rest of the house.
By that logic, if we paint our roofs black, we should save money during the winter due to solar heating... again, not likely...
Have you ever been on a black roof during a hot summer day? HAve you been on a non-black roof on a summer day?
There's is like a 20 degree difference.
This article isn't mine, so I'm not about to go find a link that says that, but scientists that aren't journalism majors have said that. I have cousins in high school that are smarter than Palin.
And yes with that logic the roofs in the winter time would be warmer, but the thing we are trying to do is cool the Earth, not warm it up. And also the Sun doesn't shine as much in the winter time, the northern hemisphere is tilted away during the winter season so the sun's ray are less intense during the winter, and it's just overall colder during the winter so the sun's effects are less on a building. So it is more efficient to have a white roof instead of a black roof.
And that attic comment is stupid. Where is the air in the attic come from? Where does the heat in the attic come from, from does the cool. And if the attic is cool, will it effect the rest of the houses temperature, what if it's hot?
Also not everyone lives in a home, or work in one either. There are apartment buildings, schools, office buildings, shopping center (The shopping center in my parents' neighborhood changed their roofs from black to white about 4 years ago, to save on energy costs, so did the high school I went to almost a decade ago)
The crazy liberals didn't start this thing when Obama got into office, it's been going on for a looooooooooong time.
Like I said this was grade school science. It's basic physics. Dark colors obsorb light. Light colors reflects it.
There's is like a 20 degree difference.
This article isn't mine, so I'm not about to go find a link that says that, but scientists that aren't journalism majors have said that. I have cousins in high school that are smarter than Palin.
And yes with that logic the roofs in the winter time would be warmer, but the thing we are trying to do is cool the Earth, not warm it up. And also the Sun doesn't shine as much in the winter time, the northern hemisphere is tilted away during the winter season so the sun's ray are less intense during the winter, and it's just overall colder during the winter so the sun's effects are less on a building. So it is more efficient to have a white roof instead of a black roof.
And that attic comment is stupid. Where is the air in the attic come from? Where does the heat in the attic come from, from does the cool. And if the attic is cool, will it effect the rest of the houses temperature, what if it's hot?
Also not everyone lives in a home, or work in one either. There are apartment buildings, schools, office buildings, shopping center (The shopping center in my parents' neighborhood changed their roofs from black to white about 4 years ago, to save on energy costs, so did the high school I went to almost a decade ago)
The crazy liberals didn't start this thing when Obama got into office, it's been going on for a looooooooooong time.
Like I said this was grade school science. It's basic physics. Dark colors obsorb light. Light colors reflects it.
The heat on a roof on a hot summer day can be 180 degrees and the internal temp of the attic can reach 140.
The arguement firesisle is making is absolutely relative - darker roofs lead to warmer attics - heat rises - and a warmer attic would reduce heating costs. Since home heating is usually via some fossil fuel (propane, oil, Natural gas, coal, wood) then is absolutely is relative to global warming.
The arguement firesisle is making is absolutely relative - darker roofs lead to warmer attics - heat rises - and a warmer attic would reduce heating costs. Since home heating is usually via some fossil fuel (propane, oil, Natural gas, coal, wood) then is absolutely is relative to global warming.
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Yeah i agree that she's not that dumb.
interesting
interesting :)
I can honestly say I'm not surprised that she has better energy independence ideas than most, she's not really dumb just portrayed as such. I can embrace her ideas of becoming an independent country and creating jobs for thousands even if it means destroying the ecological balance of our shores. Why is everyone so oppossed, I mean we condone factory farms don't we?
Shawna,
If we are still going to need oil even if run all of our cars on electricity, why not start to build refineries, drilling for oil and stockpiling our reserves? This way we can say good buy to dictators like Hugo Chavez and all the others who hold us hostage with their oil.
I'd go for this over painting my roof white anyday. I am sure glad you see this way as well. Common sense should trump party affiliation, but the Left will never admit that she brings more to the table then they are willing to give her credit for.
If we are still going to need oil even if run all of our cars on electricity, why not start to build refineries, drilling for oil and stockpiling our reserves? This way we can say good buy to dictators like Hugo Chavez and all the others who hold us hostage with their oil.
I'd go for this over painting my roof white anyday. I am sure glad you see this way as well. Common sense should trump party affiliation, but the Left will never admit that she brings more to the table then they are willing to give her credit for.
How so air conditioners heat up or cool down the earth? Why are we trying to cool it down when it hasn't heated up since 1996? I understand the ramifications of the color of a roof; I have too many years in the construction industry not to.
The temperature on a black roof has very little to do with the temperature inside the house(though it's bound to make a minor difference); there's something called insulation that is installed to produce exactly that effect... You paint your roof if you wish, but it's really a stupid idea; maybe the scientists weren't journalism majors, but they obviously weren't construction technology majors either.
Any school kid knows that black things get hotter in the sun, and white things stay cooler; building construction is a whole different set of variables.
The temperature on a black roof has very little to do with the temperature inside the house(though it's bound to make a minor difference); there's something called insulation that is installed to produce exactly that effect... You paint your roof if you wish, but it's really a stupid idea; maybe the scientists weren't journalism majors, but they obviously weren't construction technology majors either.
Any school kid knows that black things get hotter in the sun, and white things stay cooler; building construction is a whole different set of variables.
And besides building...ther are also the black streets and roads. That's the other part of what CHu was suggesting.
Insulation going to help there?
Insulation going to help there?
It would be more efficient just to as insulation and leave your roof as it is.
If your theory was correct, it would make much more sense to paint them black in the winter and white in the summer.
I have, in fact, seen huge houses with roofs that were painted black, and the insulation was about 70 years old at the time I was working there. The temperature in the attic was about 120-130F during August, but the temperature in the rest of the house was very comfortable.
Of course construction people and architects consider color when designing; some of it works, and some of it doesn't. Architects and engineers don't know it all. While I was an electrical contractor, I had to completely re-engineer and redesign some electrical distribution systems because the electrical engineers who drew up the prints were oblivious to basic electrical codes.
I have about 18 years in construction, doing residential, commercial, and heavy industrial, including power houses and NORAD. I'm aware that there are many different types of buildings. I'm also aware that there are a lot of architects that design stuff that sounds nice but is functionally irrelevant.
Your assertion is absolutely ludicrous.
If your theory was correct, it would make much more sense to paint them black in the winter and white in the summer.
I have, in fact, seen huge houses with roofs that were painted black, and the insulation was about 70 years old at the time I was working there. The temperature in the attic was about 120-130F during August, but the temperature in the rest of the house was very comfortable.
Of course construction people and architects consider color when designing; some of it works, and some of it doesn't. Architects and engineers don't know it all. While I was an electrical contractor, I had to completely re-engineer and redesign some electrical distribution systems because the electrical engineers who drew up the prints were oblivious to basic electrical codes.
I have about 18 years in construction, doing residential, commercial, and heavy industrial, including power houses and NORAD. I'm aware that there are many different types of buildings. I'm also aware that there are a lot of architects that design stuff that sounds nice but is functionally irrelevant.
Your assertion is absolutely ludicrous.
Did you completely miss the fact that houses are just one type of building that is around?
So tell me something if we are talking about houses right now. Let's say I put in insulation 15 years ago, and I put up a white roof. As my insulation gets old and stops working as well, do you think the white roof would help or hinder? Would a black roof help or hinder?
"How so air conditioners heat up or cool down the earth? Why are we trying to cool it down when it hasn't heated up since 1996?"
First off, if you need more AC, you need more energy, so you need more coal or oil. Those are fossil fuels. They are bad for the environment and bad for your health. Anything that reduces our energy addiction if good, no matter where the energy is coming from. It's just not good for power companies.
And the whole 1996 thing is such a stupid and ignorant thing. First off the peak was in 1998, not 1996. And global temperatures go up and down constantly. Some decades it goes up. some decades it goes down. but the overall trend is up. The envirenment is far more complex than you can think of and there are things built in to the environment that can help us fight off global warming, and a cooling trend is just that. If you can take advantage of the cooling trend before it picks up again then it becomes easier to deal with global warming.
Oh and we live in the part of the world, that after the global warming strikes big time, and ocean levels rise, then we're most probably going to get an ice age, because after global warming comes global cooling.
Yeah I've done a few construction related jobs as well. I've done roofs, windows and dry wall. I've insulated my parents' attic as well. And you don't think construction people and architects don't consider color when determining things.
I know for a fact they do. I just asked my neighbor across the street to confirm it. He has his own construction company. Also last I checked the laws of physics apply to buildings, cause they are part of the physical world.
So yeah the suggestions like that are not stupid, the backlash against them is.
So tell me something if we are talking about houses right now. Let's say I put in insulation 15 years ago, and I put up a white roof. As my insulation gets old and stops working as well, do you think the white roof would help or hinder? Would a black roof help or hinder?
"How so air conditioners heat up or cool down the earth? Why are we trying to cool it down when it hasn't heated up since 1996?"
First off, if you need more AC, you need more energy, so you need more coal or oil. Those are fossil fuels. They are bad for the environment and bad for your health. Anything that reduces our energy addiction if good, no matter where the energy is coming from. It's just not good for power companies.
And the whole 1996 thing is such a stupid and ignorant thing. First off the peak was in 1998, not 1996. And global temperatures go up and down constantly. Some decades it goes up. some decades it goes down. but the overall trend is up. The envirenment is far more complex than you can think of and there are things built in to the environment that can help us fight off global warming, and a cooling trend is just that. If you can take advantage of the cooling trend before it picks up again then it becomes easier to deal with global warming.
Oh and we live in the part of the world, that after the global warming strikes big time, and ocean levels rise, then we're most probably going to get an ice age, because after global warming comes global cooling.
Yeah I've done a few construction related jobs as well. I've done roofs, windows and dry wall. I've insulated my parents' attic as well. And you don't think construction people and architects don't consider color when determining things.
I know for a fact they do. I just asked my neighbor across the street to confirm it. He has his own construction company. Also last I checked the laws of physics apply to buildings, cause they are part of the physical world.
So yeah the suggestions like that are not stupid, the backlash against them is.
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W4L,
I hope this new new movie/documentary sheds some light and corrects the record on the many fallacies about Global Warming. Will this be on IMAX?
I hope this new new movie/documentary sheds some light and corrects the record on the many fallacies about Global Warming. Will this be on IMAX?
"The heat on a roof on a hot summer day can be 180 degrees and the internal temp of the attic can reach 140."
Right so that makes my case for getting it painted white during the summer. especially if you live in an aprtment building or work in an office building or a shopping center, or anyother building.
Bounce the light right back, keep building cooler than it would have been.
Instead of keeping the heat energy on a roof, and on the surface of the earth, lets just have it bounce off and go back into space. During the summer.
And for winter, we have insulation to help keep the homes and buildings warmer, cause the beest thing insulation does is keep the inside temperature inside. Stops it from going outside.
What the white roof is doing is trying to stop is the outside temperature from coming in.
And the practical thing to do to keep from wasting heat is to have good insulating and no leaks. A practical thing to do to keep your AC inside is to have good insulation and no leaks, and also paint your roof white.
The AC requires energy, oil, coal etc...it's good to be cautious with your AC as well as your heater.
Right so that makes my case for getting it painted white during the summer. especially if you live in an aprtment building or work in an office building or a shopping center, or anyother building.
Bounce the light right back, keep building cooler than it would have been.
Instead of keeping the heat energy on a roof, and on the surface of the earth, lets just have it bounce off and go back into space. During the summer.
And for winter, we have insulation to help keep the homes and buildings warmer, cause the beest thing insulation does is keep the inside temperature inside. Stops it from going outside.
What the white roof is doing is trying to stop is the outside temperature from coming in.
And the practical thing to do to keep from wasting heat is to have good insulating and no leaks. A practical thing to do to keep your AC inside is to have good insulation and no leaks, and also paint your roof white.
The AC requires energy, oil, coal etc...it's good to be cautious with your AC as well as your heater.
If every house in the world painted their roof white, all of the global warming that has happened since the industrial revolution, will be negated. All of it. But that's not going to happen.
Let's say only ten perent of the people comply with the request. And an extra ten percent of the roads have been turn into concrete roads. That's about 20% of the global warming effect taken care of.
It makes it that much easier to deal with the global warming problem. It allows for that much more company pollution to be allowed.
Wouldn't you like companies to pollute twenty percent more? Or normal people to pollute twenty percent more?
IF we reduced the heating and cooling. Incorporated wind mills and other cleaner energies. Cleaner cars and greener buildings. we can offset the pollution oil and other fossil fuels make. And isn't that what Red wants, the ability for corporations to pollute so that we have jobs.
Well you can pollute more if the rest of the world pollutes less.
Let's say only ten perent of the people comply with the request. And an extra ten percent of the roads have been turn into concrete roads. That's about 20% of the global warming effect taken care of.
It makes it that much easier to deal with the global warming problem. It allows for that much more company pollution to be allowed.
Wouldn't you like companies to pollute twenty percent more? Or normal people to pollute twenty percent more?
IF we reduced the heating and cooling. Incorporated wind mills and other cleaner energies. Cleaner cars and greener buildings. we can offset the pollution oil and other fossil fuels make. And isn't that what Red wants, the ability for corporations to pollute so that we have jobs.
Well you can pollute more if the rest of the world pollutes less.
Sorry... not disrespect, but that's just dumb... Chu never shows were he gets his estimates for saving 10 or 15% on electricity. I'd have to see some real numbers, and apparently they don't exist anywhere... but let's' go with that.
I know that during a hot summer in Colorado, we spend about $160/mo for electricity; after you take out the electric range, washing machine, dryer, microwave, and television and computers, I'd estimate, even on a lavishly generous scale, we spend $75 on our central air conditioning. If we saved a little over 15% on our energy savings it would come to about $12/mo, during the 3-4 month period we use it. Let's be generous and go with $28 a year. At that rate, we'd recapture our investment for white paint in, oh... a little over 20 years... and that's the best case scenario.
In areas where it's hotter, and more arid, like Phoenix, they commonly use evaporative coolers, on all but the hottest days, so for a lot of them, the savings might be a little higher... might only take them 15 years or so to get their money back...
Maybe in the midwest, or down south, it would be hot enough to send $120/mo on air conditioning alone, so they'd actually save $18 a month with the white paint, over the same 3-4 months. They could recoup their investment in 10 - 15 years... still pretty lame if you ask me.
What a global waste of time...
I know that during a hot summer in Colorado, we spend about $160/mo for electricity; after you take out the electric range, washing machine, dryer, microwave, and television and computers, I'd estimate, even on a lavishly generous scale, we spend $75 on our central air conditioning. If we saved a little over 15% on our energy savings it would come to about $12/mo, during the 3-4 month period we use it. Let's be generous and go with $28 a year. At that rate, we'd recapture our investment for white paint in, oh... a little over 20 years... and that's the best case scenario.
In areas where it's hotter, and more arid, like Phoenix, they commonly use evaporative coolers, on all but the hottest days, so for a lot of them, the savings might be a little higher... might only take them 15 years or so to get their money back...
Maybe in the midwest, or down south, it would be hot enough to send $120/mo on air conditioning alone, so they'd actually save $18 a month with the white paint, over the same 3-4 months. They could recoup their investment in 10 - 15 years... still pretty lame if you ask me.
What a global waste of time...
The point I was making didn't have anything to do with electricity bills anymore. The last comment was not about electricity bills.
Here's a fact that people on your side of the argument like to use:
98% of the heat you get on Earth is from the sun.
When the light is reflected back, most of it leaves the atmosphere. Then the heat is gone.
I don't think that is something that you find debatable. I think you already wrote something above agreeing to that.
SO here is one of the scientific studies done. This is what it said:
"The Earth has an albedo of 0.29, meaning that it reflects 29 per cent of the sunlight that falls upon it. With an albedo of 0.1, towns absorb more sunlight than the global average.
"Painting all roofs white could nudge the Earth's albedo from 0.29 towards 0.30. According to a very simple "zero-dimensional" model of the Earth, this would lead to a drop in global temperature of up to 1 degree C, almost exactly canceling out the global warming that has taken place since the start of the industrial revolution."
So here's the problem with that study. This is just a "zero-d" model meaning, it didn't take clouds into consideration. And that it requires all the roofs in the world to be white reflexsive, to be accurate.
So, all your thing about the cost of paint and cost of whatever else you want to add, is besides the point. No one is telling you to go get rid off all your roofs and replace them with white roofs. Chu and the rest of the people that are supporting the white roof thing are saying the next time you have to reroof, the next time you work to fix your roof, consider going white instead of black.
It's an investment someone was going to make anyway, why no make an investment that is more environmentally sound, and help take a nice chunk out of global warming while you do it.
Here's a fact that people on your side of the argument like to use:
98% of the heat you get on Earth is from the sun.
When the light is reflected back, most of it leaves the atmosphere. Then the heat is gone.
I don't think that is something that you find debatable. I think you already wrote something above agreeing to that.
SO here is one of the scientific studies done. This is what it said:
"The Earth has an albedo of 0.29, meaning that it reflects 29 per cent of the sunlight that falls upon it. With an albedo of 0.1, towns absorb more sunlight than the global average.
"Painting all roofs white could nudge the Earth's albedo from 0.29 towards 0.30. According to a very simple "zero-dimensional" model of the Earth, this would lead to a drop in global temperature of up to 1 degree C, almost exactly canceling out the global warming that has taken place since the start of the industrial revolution."
So here's the problem with that study. This is just a "zero-d" model meaning, it didn't take clouds into consideration. And that it requires all the roofs in the world to be white reflexsive, to be accurate.
So, all your thing about the cost of paint and cost of whatever else you want to add, is besides the point. No one is telling you to go get rid off all your roofs and replace them with white roofs. Chu and the rest of the people that are supporting the white roof thing are saying the next time you have to reroof, the next time you work to fix your roof, consider going white instead of black.
It's an investment someone was going to make anyway, why no make an investment that is more environmentally sound, and help take a nice chunk out of global warming while you do it.
There are many scientists that claim painting everything white is a stupid as painting them all black because the heat is bounced back up where it heats up the ozone even faster. Why aren't you arguing for roof top gardens on buildings. Homes painted with white roofs may minimally assist in the summer but hinder in the winter...depending on where you live - AZ vs. ME one may make more sense given your logic then another.
AC runs on electricity....not a fossil fuel - unless electricity is produced by a fossil fuel (and it usually is) in which case electricty is no green"er" than burning whatever the electricity is burning. You can't argue getting rid of AC in the south anymore than you can argue getting rid of heat in the North....
As for global warming - how do you discount all the scientists that state your claims are wrong? How about the 9 VERY large errors that have not been removed from Gore's movie? You saying that it's allll a great big conspiracy - or could it just be that these Gods of doom are the owners of alternative energy (directly OR indirectly like Gore) energy companies.
those G**Da** capitalists!
AC runs on electricity....not a fossil fuel - unless electricity is produced by a fossil fuel (and it usually is) in which case electricty is no green"er" than burning whatever the electricity is burning. You can't argue getting rid of AC in the south anymore than you can argue getting rid of heat in the North....
As for global warming - how do you discount all the scientists that state your claims are wrong? How about the 9 VERY large errors that have not been removed from Gore's movie? You saying that it's allll a great big conspiracy - or could it just be that these Gods of doom are the owners of alternative energy (directly OR indirectly like Gore) energy companies.
those G**Da** capitalists!
"There are many scientists that claim painting everything white is a stupid as painting them all black because the heat is bounced back up where it heats up the ozone even faster. Why aren't you arguing for roof top gardens on buildings. Homes painted with white roofs may minimally assist in the summer but hinder in the winter...depending on where you live - AZ vs. ME one may make more sense given your logic then another."
First off any scientist that tells you that the heat reflected off the surface just ends up getting caught in the atmosphere is a retard. Again, most and I mean a huge most, well over 90% of the heat does not get trapped in the atmosphere, it leaves it. It is trapped on earth when it is not reflected back.
And I would much rateher see farden roofs than white roofs, but garden roofs take maintenance, much more than just painting your roof white, so yeah, you don't want to paint your roof white, you would much rather have a garden on your roof, even better...much much better, do that too.
I don't think there is much difference where you paint your roof white, it will help deflect heat from the planet in the summer time, whereever there is a summer time.
"AC runs on electricity....not a fossil fuel - unless electricity is produced by a fossil fuel (and it usually is) in which case electricty is no green"er" than burning whatever the electricity is burning. You can't argue getting rid of AC in the south anymore than you can argue getting rid of heat in the North...."
Never argued to get rid of heating or colling devices so I don't know where you're getting that from. And I believe that I had written that using electricity is like using fossil fuels, so that is what I'm arguing. Let's use less electricity, and at the sametime reflect some of that heat off of our roofs. Or start a garden on there.
And let's get some lighter colored roads while we're at it.
And the "scientists" that are arguing against Gore, are these the same scientists that point to a the fact that it isn't as hot as it was in 1998, so we're not in a global warming? Even though we are still about half a degree warmer than we should be, as oppose to being .75 degrees warmer.
Are these the same scientists that say that the light being reflected off of surfaces gets trapped in the ozone and it's bad for the ozone? even though most of the heat escapes.
I went to good science schools. The name of my high school was Von Steuben Metropolitan Science Center. We didn't have a football team, we did things that had world leaders visit us, Tony Blair, Clinton and a the EPA person under Clinton, can't recall her name(plus a few others, but I wasn't part of those projects so I didn't get to meet them).
If scientists argue against global warming based on retarded ideas, those scientists are wrong. And so I have that to say about the "scientists" that are arguing against Gore. Gore has a sh!t load of scientists backing him up too. In fact he has a much larger population of scientists backing him up than there are scientists against him, so I'll side with the numbers on this one.
First off any scientist that tells you that the heat reflected off the surface just ends up getting caught in the atmosphere is a retard. Again, most and I mean a huge most, well over 90% of the heat does not get trapped in the atmosphere, it leaves it. It is trapped on earth when it is not reflected back.
And I would much rateher see farden roofs than white roofs, but garden roofs take maintenance, much more than just painting your roof white, so yeah, you don't want to paint your roof white, you would much rather have a garden on your roof, even better...much much better, do that too.
I don't think there is much difference where you paint your roof white, it will help deflect heat from the planet in the summer time, whereever there is a summer time.
"AC runs on electricity....not a fossil fuel - unless electricity is produced by a fossil fuel (and it usually is) in which case electricty is no green"er" than burning whatever the electricity is burning. You can't argue getting rid of AC in the south anymore than you can argue getting rid of heat in the North...."
Never argued to get rid of heating or colling devices so I don't know where you're getting that from. And I believe that I had written that using electricity is like using fossil fuels, so that is what I'm arguing. Let's use less electricity, and at the sametime reflect some of that heat off of our roofs. Or start a garden on there.
And let's get some lighter colored roads while we're at it.
And the "scientists" that are arguing against Gore, are these the same scientists that point to a the fact that it isn't as hot as it was in 1998, so we're not in a global warming? Even though we are still about half a degree warmer than we should be, as oppose to being .75 degrees warmer.
Are these the same scientists that say that the light being reflected off of surfaces gets trapped in the ozone and it's bad for the ozone? even though most of the heat escapes.
I went to good science schools. The name of my high school was Von Steuben Metropolitan Science Center. We didn't have a football team, we did things that had world leaders visit us, Tony Blair, Clinton and a the EPA person under Clinton, can't recall her name(plus a few others, but I wasn't part of those projects so I didn't get to meet them).
If scientists argue against global warming based on retarded ideas, those scientists are wrong. And so I have that to say about the "scientists" that are arguing against Gore. Gore has a sh!t load of scientists backing him up too. In fact he has a much larger population of scientists backing him up than there are scientists against him, so I'll side with the numbers on this one.
So let me see if I have this right amal - If they back you up and support your ideas then they're right...and if not - then they are most certainly wrong?
Some of those people are MIT grads in addition to other very fine institutions - so I guess I would use an open mind and listen to what they say. If you don't - that's a shame, and ironically part of the problem.
Some of those people are MIT grads in addition to other very fine institutions - so I guess I would use an open mind and listen to what they say. If you don't - that's a shame, and ironically part of the problem.
Ok... let's look at tit this way:
1. You can't simply use white paint and paint your roof white; you need to use a product designed for that use. The most active supplier is called Hyperseal, who make Hyperglass Cool Topcoat. Another is Melbourne, Florida-based HyTech, with their Insul Cool-Coat #2000.
On a 30'x70' home, because of the pitch you'd need about 2,000 sq ft of coverage. The cost for materials, w/o shipping, and no labor, would be between $525 and $735.
There is also a required surface preparation:
Surface must be clean, dry and free of any foreign matter. A wash with tri-sodium phosphate solution followed by rinsing with water is recommended. Surface must be dry before proceeding.
The one test I did find didn't allow for any insulation, but they only achieved about a -7 to -10 degree difference in what would be the same as an attic; considering for insulation, that's basically negligible.
It seems to me you'd have to wait a long time to recapture your investment... much more trouble than it's worth, as far as I'm concerned, but hey, knock yourself out...
1. You can't simply use white paint and paint your roof white; you need to use a product designed for that use. The most active supplier is called Hyperseal, who make Hyperglass Cool Topcoat. Another is Melbourne, Florida-based HyTech, with their Insul Cool-Coat #2000.
On a 30'x70' home, because of the pitch you'd need about 2,000 sq ft of coverage. The cost for materials, w/o shipping, and no labor, would be between $525 and $735.
There is also a required surface preparation:
Surface must be clean, dry and free of any foreign matter. A wash with tri-sodium phosphate solution followed by rinsing with water is recommended. Surface must be dry before proceeding.
The one test I did find didn't allow for any insulation, but they only achieved about a -7 to -10 degree difference in what would be the same as an attic; considering for insulation, that's basically negligible.
It seems to me you'd have to wait a long time to recapture your investment... much more trouble than it's worth, as far as I'm concerned, but hey, knock yourself out...
Nope and no one is getting a nobel peace prize for it either!... and something tells me it won't show in schools either.
Firesisle - NO one is going to paint their roof white and here's why...
IT'S ALL TALK. No one does it they just complain about it. I have 5 solar panels for my hot water - not one other person in my neighborhood does - WHY? Because they DON'T and that's with a 30% tax credit (NO MAX) being offered on the entire cost of the installation - PLUS REBATES. People can talk all they want but the biggest thing liberals do it make the GOVERNMENT pay for everything without shelling a cent out themselves. Solar will exist for the great liberals of this nation when the government gives the panels for free and no sooner.
It's the whole ring leader mentality - the liberal is the ring leader and they just keep poking the tiger. Guess what... - the tiger is getting pissed.
IT'S ALL TALK. No one does it they just complain about it. I have 5 solar panels for my hot water - not one other person in my neighborhood does - WHY? Because they DON'T and that's with a 30% tax credit (NO MAX) being offered on the entire cost of the installation - PLUS REBATES. People can talk all they want but the biggest thing liberals do it make the GOVERNMENT pay for everything without shelling a cent out themselves. Solar will exist for the great liberals of this nation when the government gives the panels for free and no sooner.
It's the whole ring leader mentality - the liberal is the ring leader and they just keep poking the tiger. Guess what... - the tiger is getting pissed.
amal - what alternatrive energy sources are you currently using?
Yep... really pissed... *lol* I'd love to put solar panels on my roof, but the covenants of my Home Owners Association prohibit it. They're a bunch of "green weenies" who are more concerned with the way it looks as opposed to what it does... stupidity coupled with more stupidity.
Check the State code - it may override your neighborhood covenants. Most States have something like this:
Massachusetts law prohibits restrictions on solar devices, voiding "any provision in an instrument relative to the ownership or use of real property which purports to forbid or unreasonably restrict the installation or use of a solar energy system ... or the building of structures that facilitate the collection of solar energy."
Massachusetts law prohibits restrictions on solar devices, voiding "any provision in an instrument relative to the ownership or use of real property which purports to forbid or unreasonably restrict the installation or use of a solar energy system ... or the building of structures that facilitate the collection of solar energy."
Ooooohhh cool! I've been looking for a way to really piss them off for years...*LOL* Thanks!
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