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The Final Collapse of the American Dream

Boston : MA : USA | about 1 month ago  
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I do not like the new and proposed policies of our current Government and it has nothing to do with the President....personally. I also hope the current health care legislation dies on the over polished legislative floor.

It sure has nothing to do with race (or sex) and everything to do with the simple fact that under the plans presented in front of this nation – we are looking at uncontrolled spending and it is being rushed too quickly by a very liberal left, of which the President is a member of. They (the liberal left) claim that Republicans ran this country into the ground with war spending and should keep their mouths shut now. That doesn't fly with me. It's quite frankly no argument at all – it's ridiculous. Spending more money – continue the free fall is not something to be proud of continuing. There is NO right war. War is war and if you didn't believe in the cause 2 years ago, it isn't suddenly “right” now. War is a cause. We started fighting a war for a cause – lost the idea of the cause, re-invented the cause and then went to battle with little support for that cause. Enter and new President and a new “cause” was (by some genius) labeled the “right” war “cause.” Same war – different name.

There is also the health care debate. We've heard for decades that the system in America has not worked. Too many people are without health insurance. America was never built on the premise that everything here is suppose to be equal or that wealth belonged to everyone nor does our Constitution support any concept of redistribution. That is called communism and it doesn't exist anywhere in the world despite what you may think. It does not work – nothing is equal, other than in thought.

In the United States the phrase “the American Dream” did not start with an illegal entry and a trip to the welfare and unemployment lines. It meant one thing – that the democratic ideals of the nation gave the promise of prosperity to her people particularly that ability (not right) to bring prosperity to yourself. Lineage can be traced back in many families to someone braving the horrible transatlantic voyage in steerage (recorded that mortality rates were as high as 10% in some records) and in attempt to become a citizen, bringing a life savings (at least $30) and answers to 29 questions at port and the ability to pass an inspection for disease. If they were lucky (and not all were) one might have received a simple “good luck.” People did not complain they had no dinner or made soup from water – they leaned on each other through hard times and bonds were between families and not unions or government. Hand outs were not given without work.

The American Dream is not equality. The American Dream is not redistribution of wealth. The American Dream isn't suppose to be achieved by all. There is a reason - enthusiasm, work ethic, determination, and drive - that people succeed and these are not attributes everyone possesses. That's why it's a dream – only those that strive for excellence should obtain it. Working 37.5 hours a week, taking every possible day off your employer gives you, and all your sick time even when you're not sick... those are not attributes of one who is striving to reach the pinnacle of an organization. It is not the attributes that should be attributed to one who strives for prosperity.

Our current electorate of all shapes and forms has overly used the phrase “common good” in an attempt to justify uncontrolled spending and to demonize the American Dream. The sentence: “We need a public option because people die every year in this country with no insurance” is a perfect example. If one screams back – wait, your numbers don't work... the liberals immediately use the greater good comment and add the question is unethical and the one asking is just a naysayer out to “get” Obama. If you state the current plans will bankrupt the country you are also being cynical – it's done all over the world and no one is bankrupt! If you were to say: “Mr. President, Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Reid, with all due respect, in present form – you'd be rushing through an option designed to place so much debt on the citizens who will be forced to give up their liberty to your government and even with doing so will eventually see the collapse of our society under the weight of the debt. You cannot keep printing money. To do so will cause a worse economic situation and eventually could lead us into an era of inflation or worse – hyperinflation” you'd be backhanded by Pelosi. The Democrats had 8 years of Republican leadership to watch the art of bullying and they've not only mastered it – they've surpassed quite joyfully. They have no need to listen to their constituents and if you want to ask Barbara Boxer a question, doesn't matter if you voted for her – or not – you need to line up at her book signing and ask her the question as she smiles and signs the book you just bought. Otherwise, shut up. The American Dream has been all but forgotten by a great many members of both parties.

Pushing through health care under a premise of – it is for greater (or common) good, is not American at all. It is a current philosophy of the left. I have no problem with health care reform or health care for all of America's citizens AND for those who are here legally undergoing a far less rigorous naturalization process than in most countries. But, I also feel it is important to take time to make sure the people are heard and the plan can be sustained. The American people are speaking and this administration and the cronies in Washington are not listening. They are filling seats with supporters and shutting doors to those in opposition. It is not a bipartisan Washington that leads this nation, it is a Washington that is selecting the press they will talk to, the meetings they will show, and shutting doors to many more meetings they will not show. It is a Washington that is being applauded by Dictators across the globe that are proud to see the collapse of the American way of life. President Obama promised to have the most transparent administration of all time and he does. They are blatant telling you they have no need to listen to your concerns. They have blatantly told you, their vision is no longer that one should try to achieve the American Dream but rather that if you do – you should somehow be ashamed of your success and for that success, they will tax the hell out of you to pay for others – some of whom refuse to work. The collapse of the American Dream is what you are witnessing.

The current bills as presented have no real success strategy. The American people are not wrong to suggest the government first come up with a revenue source other than one which is already government run and failing, as a way to pay for the huge revenue necessary for the government health care plans. As elected officials, they should elaborate to me and my fellow Americans how this plan will be run (will there be a set budget and will you NOT exceed it and if you run out of money – what's the backup plan -where WILL you pull the additional funds from?) This is not an absurd question. If you think this could be done by anyone in the private sector you're nuts...this can only be done by government who can push through anything it wants without a plan A, a plan B, a plan C and a backup for all three.

I would also question exactly how this government is going to keep existing insurance companies alive and in business. Insurance companies employ a lot of Americans and I want to know that these people will not lose their jobs in addition to my losing a good policy that covers my family. Exactly, HOW will I keep my current employer based insurance when having employer based insurance has nothing to do with me? My insurance is based on the economic decision of a CFO (or a boss of some sort) who has only one duty to keep his job – to maximize profit. When facing a small fine to throw me to your government plan or a much greater cost to allow me to keep my private insurance, I have a feeling the CFO (or boss) even if he doesn't like your idea, will certainly dislikes the unemployment line more.

I think you're hypocritical to tell me I can keep my insurance when you know this will not happen. It's also hypocritical and down right wrong that the government will not place federal employees on the public option if it is passed.

Let's also address tort reform and mandatory coverage that States and governments will place on policy requirements. Pre-existing conditions. Yes, they may be excluded now, but how exactly will the public option handle pre-existing conditions? Will all insurance companies be forced to do away with them completely regardless of what the pre-existing condition is? What if that pre-existing condition is self inflicted? That's a valid question!

I see the point for a person with cancer, a pregnant woman, Parkinson's, etc... but, what about rehab? If a person has been in and out of rehab 15 times, has cirrhosis of the liver, has no intention to stop drinking and just uses the rehab to sober up, make their body feel better enough to walk, and when discharged – beelines to the pub next door to start all over again – and blatantly looks you in the eyes and says – I'm living the way I want....Will there be limits on how far we, as taxpayer's will have to go to foot the bill for rehab, for hospital stays of drug addicts, surgeries that come from complications that set in and more?

What about fertility treatments? They cost thousands of dollars. $10,000 - $20,000 a month for in-veto. Will you limit that? If a woman is 45, but decided to wait to have kids to rack up a huge savings verses having kids during an age when in-veto was not necessary, and in-vitro statistical analysis gives her less than a 15% chance of conceiving through in vitro fertilization....how many times should we allow that woman to undergo treatments – or should it be denied completely? See, I'm mean for even suggesting that we deny coverage for this – but facts are facts – we know women should have children before the age of 35 for a reason. If one ignores statistical data – is it that wrong for me as a taxpayer to suggest that person should thus be responsible for this expensive treatment? Since, I'm a taxpayer, I think there should be a limit.

What about acupuncture, massage therapy, erectile dysfunction medication, anti-depression medication prescribed without therapy... are there going to be limits on this as well?

I could care less if a man cannot get a “strong muscle” going – and I don't want to pay for it.

I don't want to pay for anti depression medication that isn't followed up with a course of treatment to determine if anti-depression medication is needed.

I don't want to pay for Ambien because people are stressed out. I will pay for actual sleep disorders that are diagnosed in sleep labs, not Matt Lauer's nightly Ambien because he needs a drug to knock him out because he needs to get up at 2 am. That's not my fault. Make him pay it out of his pocket, not my pocket. As for needles to control pain (acupuncture) – it should be a floater. So too should chiropractic care unless needed due to a motor vehicle accident (scratch that-MV insurance should cover that) or a fall at work (scratch that – WC insurance covers that) ... so I guess I'd make that a floater as well.

My point is without regulations to limit what a insurance company HAS to pay for – how do you limit the costs and, or, the abuse?

Tort reform is also not a joke. It is needed. I am not quite in tune with the “greater good” argument (once again, I think it devalues the principles of this nation and I'm not afraid to say so) so let's put it on the table. Tort reform is needed to control the millions of ridiculous lawsuits filed every year that cause insurance companies to settle for a fixed dollar amount where a minimum of 30% goes into the pockets of an attorney. There is a ridiculous amount of abuse there and if you're going to raise my taxes, and you are, and I am going to lose my private insurance, and I will – I want you to address the gold pockets of attorneys. I also want you to address class action suits where a million people get one dollar and 6 attorneys get 6 million each. Reform there too please.

I want to see reform that does not destroy our core principles as a nation. To me these are as core to my way of life and my family - Fiscal responsibility, individual accountability, and moral and ethical obligation ... not to a political affiliation, but rather to society as a society, not as forced by government.

And, last but not least – the ability to succeed if I work hard, remain dedicated and strive for excellence without paying 99% back in taxes for your redistribution of wealth.

Only with all of the above will we see the regeneration of the American Dream.

Peace -

Maryann

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  • Posted By jenkins077 jenkins077 | about 1 month ago
    agre
  • Posted By chiggins chiggins | about 1 month ago
    well said but i sincerely hope you and every one of your relatives and friends will forever be free of any of the medical conditions you have mentioned that you don't want to pay for, as well as free of the need for any assistance in paying for treatments that are associated with these conditions. in other words, have an absolutely perfect time in lala land where no one has medical or psychological issues.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    Thanks for the compliment on the writing as well as the wishes for my family....same back to yours.

    I have an uncle right now who is a vet and undergoing treatment for cancer ... in a govt run program. I don't want my family scrutinized under a government run program at all - I prefer my health coverage that I get through my employer and want to keep it that way.

    Have you read the bill? I find that most people who are strongly supporting the bill have not.

    It's perfectly acceptable to take the moral high ground - it's human nature to want to help your fellow man....However, this bill is not the answer.
  • Posted By brandencontests brandencontests | about 1 month ago
    agreed
  • Posted By weiting weiting | about 1 month ago
    agree
  • Posted By ahol888 ahol888 | about 1 month ago
    If this health care bill is passed because of two senators flip-flopping from Maine, then I will know that the American dream has finally collapsed. Maine!
  • Posted By mrx1955 mrx1955 | about 1 month ago
    totally agree
  • Posted By anime99 anime99 | about 1 month ago
    Agree
  • Posted By lecia lecia | about 1 month ago
    a little food for thought....across four decades -- the costs of government-run health care (medicare and medicaid)have risen far more than the costs of private care.
  • Posted By judeleneperez judeleneperez | about 1 month ago
    agree
  • Reply By firesisle firesisle | about 1 month ago
    Good points all, Mary Ann...
    When you go to somebody to borrow money as venture capital for a business, you will be required to present a very detailed business plan, which will show all your sources of capital, liabilities, initial start-up costs, potential problems and benefits, etc., and a well designed abstract of the business you're hoping to build. If you just say, here's a basic concept, and we'll work out the details later, you're not gonna get the loan...

    Why should it be any different with the government when they want our tax money?
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    Actually - it might have been YOU that made the comment I posted below Lecia.

    As for it being any different with tax dollars - you're absolutely right again - it shouldn't.
  • Posted By ChelMcQ ChelMcQ | about 1 month ago
    I have read the bill and while it may not be the best possible option, it is a start. I find it horrifying that so many Americans have ZERO access to health care due to the costs.

    I believe that the American Dream has been a blank check for people to behave selfishly, improving their own lives with no concern for the lives of those around them.
  • Reply By lecia lecia | about 1 month ago
    the american dream is about being self sufficient, self reliant and taking responsibility for yourself and your decisions
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    Absolutely.

    I am not sure who wrote this - but it was a very good point.

    When you are going down a wrong street - you don't step on the pedel...you put it in reverse - go back and start looking for the RIGHT road.

    It is a start ChelMxQ - but not a very good one.

    Start over... is the right path.
  • Posted By leeadama leeadama | about 1 month ago
    Wow, spoken like a true neophyte regarding anything pubic policy and health care.

    The world you live in, the current one regarding this health care system you propose...unfortunately exist.

    Thus, why we are in the position of runaway premiums, for-profit CEO/Dr/Insurance payments out the arse, and people who can't get coverage b/c of "pre-existing" conditions that in most cases were born with.

    There is so much wrong with your opinion. Maybe thats why the American people overwhelming support a public option and reform almost 10-1. Republicans had the chance to make this country great, from Reagan's scare tactics for health reform 50 years ago...to failed GWB social security reform in the past 8 years.

    "the ability to succeed if I work hard, remain dedicated and strive for excellence without paying 99% back in taxes for your redistribution of wealth."

    If that's the case, please repay the nation with every amount of public schooling, public roads, public law enforcement, public land use, public air space, public airwaves, you have ever used to get to where you "will be with hard work".

    Hard work is code for greedy people who wish to keep everything they earn w/o feeling guilty to help other lesser fortunate people out. Keep writing. 99% redistribution. Gods you people live in such a ridiculous state of paranoia.
  • Reply By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | about 1 month ago
    leeadama,

    Reagan was President 30 years ago.Not 50.

    I don't know where you get the information that the overwhelming majority of people want a Public Option.That debate dued over the summer when the people came out and spoke. Were you around this past summer or listened to the Town Hall meetings?

    Pre-Existing conditions do get covered. There is a 6 month look back period and a 12 month look forward period.

    The current system is not perfect but it's still a lot better than all the other countries that offer Universal Healthcare.
  • Reply By firesisle firesisle | about 1 month ago
    leeadama:

    "There is so much wrong with your opinion. Maybe thats why the American people overwhelming support a public option and reform almost 10-1."

    I'm from Missouri; I don't belive you, so you'll need to show me... got an references?

    There's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion, including yours. It's like an anus... we all have them, and I doubt that's going to change; there's also nothing wrong with expressing one's opinion; you certainly don't seem to be at all hesitant.

    "If that's the case, please repay the nation with every amount of public schooling, public roads, public law enforcement, public land use, public air space, public airwaves, you have ever used to get to where you "will be with hard work"."

    The lion's share of our taxes (income tax) go to pay the interest on the National Debt. Most of the infrastructure you describe is paid from state taxes, and in comparison, are pretty minimal.

    We, as a nation, are grossly overtaxed. Hard work is hard work. It means I earned it, so I should be able to keep at least most of it. If not, why should I go out of my way, and spend so much time and energy working for somebody else?

    There is more opportunity in the US to be successful than anywhere else in the world, but if there isn't anything in it for the ones doing the work, why should they bother? Frankly, the damn wagon gets really heavy when everybody wants to ride...
  • Reply By CaliforniaMike CaliforniaMike | about 1 month ago
    It isn't 10-1, but nearly all the polls I have seen show that 55-60 percent support a viable public option.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    NOT SO FAST...

    While CBS says 65% support a public option, Rassmussen says that number is 35%...and I'd say that's one hell of a difference.

    Interesting reporting by the examiner tells the difference in polling...

    http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m9d29-Rasmussen-and-CBS-polls-differ-greatly-on-public-option-in-health-care-and-there-is-a-reason-why
  • Reply By lecia lecia | about 1 month ago
    in case you haven't noticed our government IS a greedy,corrupt, evil corporation
  • Reply By lecia lecia | about 1 month ago
    hard work is the code of every american interested in bettering their standard of living.

    i have nothing against health care reform including the public option except that this country is tittering on the edge of bankruptcy and the current bill will add to the national debt while doing nothing to reduce health care cost which is the problem not evil greedy rich people who want to see the poor die.....

    you need to read up on our national debt
  • Reply By lecia lecia | about 1 month ago
    and you tout public schooling, public roads, public law enforcement as things the government does so well? have you heard how our children are falling behind to the rest of the world because of poor education in the public school systems? have you heard how our infrastructure is falling apart? have you heard of the corruption in our public law enforcement? have you heard how our government is trying to censor the public air waves? Have you heard medicaid ,medicare and social security are bankrupt? Have you heard the va system is medically years out of date? maybe i should make this simpler , have you heard of any government run program that is not bogged down in red tape, is not going bankrupt, is not inundated with waste and fraud…that is actually working as it should within it’s budget?
  • Posted By macnamera macnamera | about 1 month ago
    indeed
  • Posted By Mezzidrill Mezzidrill | about 1 month ago
    not sure
  • Posted By bonjupatten bonjupatten | about 1 month ago
    Maryann you are all over the place in this article. You have a lot of points that get lost because the article is addressing more than just one issue. The health care bill is not a reform without the "public option" and, YES, we, the people need that healt care reform to happen with the public option intact.

    The problem I see is that our new POTUS is a lameo. Good at campaigning for his proposals but he stinks at implementing them or throwing his weight behind them with the Senate and Congress. In other words, Obama is a pushover and flipflops when his ideas are attacked. Now, all he seems to care about is to pass one idea (bill) before he leaves office.

    We have a Democratic congress and a Democrat for president and if they can't get together then Obama is NOT a Democrat and NOT a party Democrat at that. He is a socialist and not what he claims to be during the campaign. While I have no idea why he wanted to run for President other than the fact he would make history; he hasn't done a damn thing to warrent a Nobel prize or any of the support he has in America. The guy has no substance and is an empty suit.

    Having said that, your comments on the public option are ridiculous. America needs that public option. What we don't need is to pay a fine up to $3800 dollars per familiy if we can't afford to pay for medical. They want health insurance to be like Home and/or Car Insurance - mandatory. THAT IS WRONG, WRONG WRONG for AMERICA. It is the Republicans that screwed us from 1991 when Bush Senior became POTUS and screwed up with the Gulf War and then his son, Hitler Bush for 9 lousy long years where he commmitted tons of illegal abuses as President that brought America to its knees economically.

    I did not read the rest of why you think America has lost the dream but here is what the dream is about. Captitalism - one of many theories that look great on paper and if 3 people are involved they can get things done. Political theories do not work when a country gets involved in making the theory a livable, breathable way of life. People are what screws theories up. Reason - people are greedy and there will always be one or more than one person who will want it all. CUBA - good example, Venezuela (Hugo Chavez - one big DICKtator), RUSSIA (Putin - Former Head of the CIA).

    Maryann you got to get more centered on one issue. I'll read the rest of what you are talking about but know this - theories do not work when people get involved. The American Dream is a farce. When you buy a house - you never own it and are constantly paying money to keep it - really the bank owns it all. That is going to change as soon as the FDIC and the Banks that got the bail outs go belly up for good. My predition - by Dec 09.

    Bonju Patten
  • Posted By bonjupatten bonjupatten | about 1 month ago
    Lastly, I do not think that this bill is the answer without the public option. After all, we are paying for each and every person in governments' health care program. Why can't the taxpayer get exactly the same health care we pay the congress?

    Did you know that criminals in jail get health insurance, vision and dental? Even mental health care? I can't get that becasue I can't afford it but if they start to bill health care and make it mandatory. I WANT TO GO TO JAIL. I AM A LESBIAN and will get all the women I want or need, 3 square meals a day and medical, dental and vision and mental health. Man, where do I sign up!?

    ====Bonju Patten
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    TO - leeadama

    Try doing a little research on who pays for the public usage ... the CBO reports two interesting statics from 2006.... First - the top 20% of earners in this country pay over 86% of the taxes and the bottom 40 percent of those who earned an income in 2006 through redistribution, actually paid a negative share of fed income taxes.

    That top 20% donate the most to charities as well so keep spewing that ridiculous liberal idea that the rich bathe in greed with no compassion at all.

    You want to know why our country is in the tank? Look up the Community Reinvestment Act and the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act. The truth is in an attempt to make everything equal... the democrats were the real creators of the current housing collapse.

    Hard work is the code for greedy people? You need a serious reality check.

    By the way - I'm not in that top 20% - but unlike you- I don't blame those that have acheived that level by thinking they owe ME anything.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    @patten...

    Go rob a liquor store, Mom. :) You'll also get a free college level education too.

    You may not BE my mother... but you sure write like her and I agree with SOME of what you say... but definitely not all.
    You bring up one very good point - the fine for no coverage. If someone thinks that won't stick it to the middle class and down- their in left field without a mit.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | about 1 month ago
    Profits are a good thing, but EXCESSIVE profits are not good for society as a whole. Greed is a dasvasting disease, the cancer of Mankind. [;-0
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    Jerry - I completely agree.
  • Posted By Fiona Fiona | about 1 month ago
    1. We need to know what we are fighting for so that we know if it is worth fighting. If it's to wipe out the terrorists in Iraq - sorry, wrong answer. If it's to stabilize Iraq - ding ding ding! We have a goal! We can now plan how to acheive that goal. It very much makes a difference in the same war to know why we are there.

    2. By your logic, public education is communist because it attempts to provide a service to all children. That's just silly. Everyone should have health insurance just like every child should be able to go to school. It's not "equality" because those with more money will be able to pay for better insurance (and wealthier parents send their children to better schools), but even the lesser quality insurance will provide security for those currently in danger of losing everything due to illness.

    3. You think the cleaning staff/produce pickers/other unskilled laborers don't work hard? There are many, many families where the parents work multiple jobs, never take a sick day because they can't afford to, and still have no access to employer-sponsored health insurance.

    4. The old American Dream allowed one to work in a factory and have relative job stability for life with reasonable benefits including a pension and health insurance. One didn't need an advanced education to provide a decent standard of living. Times have changed, and the old system no longer works for us. Is the new American Dream "Grab what you can and to hell with everyone else"? I do believe that the first settlers, the homesteaders, and a raft of other Americans pitched in to help each other when they needed a hand. That to me is true American spirit.

    5. Insurance companies are a for-profit business, which is why they won't be able to compete with the government. Do you really want to be insured by a group who is more interested in answering to shareholders than patients? German health insurance companies are non-profit for basic plans, then are allowed to sell optional add-ons like private room insurance for a profit. Basic care is not profit-driven, nor should it be (as fire departments, schools, and public transportation should not be.)

    6. The number of people who abuse the system are very small in number. It's petty and cruel to limit treatment to many deserving people in order to deny care to the few who take advantage.

    7. Fertility treatments are part of health care. It's a medical condition in which a body can't do what it is supposed to do. Should prostheses also not be covered because amputees can theoretically get around in wheelchairs or learn to live with one arm? Reasonable coverage would not provide for a 45-year-old woman to undergo IVF, but should at least partially cover a 30-year-old for a few tries.

    8. Are you a doctor? Or are you simply deciding by intuition which procedures work and which don't? Treatments should be decided upon by doctors.

    9. I would like to submit that the "grab what you can" spirit of the US is a major cause of law suits. Sure, some attorneys drum up clients, but mostly it is the individual who feels that doctors didn't do their jobs properly. We need to get it through our heads that bad things sometimes happen. It's horrible when the worst happens, but doctors are not gods or magicians. They can make reasonable calls based on the information at hand but turn out to be completely wrong and then get sued for ridiculous sums. How about calling for some personal responsibility here and demanding some restraint and common sense on the part of patients? A negative outcome does not mean your doc screwed up given the information available.

    10. Your conclusion is a lovely thought. Wonder what all of those working poor think about their 'success'. We need to provide a decent standard of living for working Americans - if that involves paying more as consumers or compensating the top less, then great. If greed steps in to prevent that (as it has done), the government should be able to step in and stop the abuse of the labor class. Not make things equal, but make things conscionable.
  • Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | about 1 month ago
    Fiona - Where to start...
    1 - Is that your suggestion of what the cause IS?

    2. - By my logic - communism does not exist. I even say so in the article. AND, there is much that is wrong with the public educational system.

    3. I totally agree - can you point to a line where I disagree? " I have no problem with health care reform or health care for all of America's citizens AND for those who are here legally undergoing a far less rigorous naturalization process than in most countries. But, I also feel it is important to take time to make sure the people are heard and the plan can be sustained." - That's pretty clear - I have no issue with it - I just want it to be thought out better than rushed into.

    4. The oldAmerican Dream doesn't work? Sure it does...it's just disorted by everyone who wants massive social programs which do not encourage one to strive for success.

    5. That's an idea - pretty sure that Congress won't consider it.

    6. no idea what you're referring to - abuse in the system is small? If that's the case...how is it that Obama can claim that it's the abuse that will pay for his program? The two contradict eachother.

    7. I agree. COMPLETELY... but you're contradicting yourself again by throwing in the third sentence - I suggested it not be covered due to age as well.

    8. That makes no sense - the article is posed as an opinion, and I suggest that perhaps we should view what is medically needed as you stated yourself in #7 when you agreed perhaps a 45 yr old woman not receive IVF. But no - I'm not a doctor....

    9. Agree - tort reform.

    10. Perhaps if we were to tighten our borders, stop spending money we do not have, stop payment for illegals, remove our troops from the Middle East...maybe we'd have the proper amount to add to our own society.

    I think you have a lot of good points Fiona but I'm not willing to give into the notion that the upper 20% should be taxed to death - and de - motivate people to succeed.... and rolling out another social program without funding placing the burden on the entire nation is crazy. Everyone will suffer not just the top 20.

    There is a lot to the "John Galt" theory whether you want to admit it or not.

    We're spending without cash....and you just can't keep taxing to alleviate this... we need to stop bleeding first.
  • Posted By kcoffman kcoffman | about 1 month ago
    One of the problems of health care is the definition. We all agree if a kid breaks a leg, it sure is nice to have somewhere to take him to get patched up. But what about more difficult questions? How much of this could be called medical care? Sex change operations (and related hormone therapies), octomom fertility treatments, abortions, STD treatments, snow-boarding accidents, ailments like diabetes where losing 30 pounds would help a lot, end of life health care, hospice, depression, alcohol treatment (detox), and the list can go on forever. Do you think the state is smart enough to wade through this and set rational priorities? If the problem is difficult, then the state should not play God...the state should stay out of it. Let market forces work. You could work overtime and get a better insurance policy. You could cancel your vacation and get a better insurance policy. You could keep your old car instead of replacing it and get a better insurance policy. It's better for you to make these decisions on your own instead of pretending the state can give you healthcare for free. It's not going to be free! Someone is going to pay for it. Making healthy young people who don't want insurance pay for your healthcare is immoral. It's stealing!
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