Vigilantes: A Human Rights Violation? OAS to Judge USA!

In an attempt to keep my own "voice" out of the story, I've saved two personal comments for this section:

1) I've been unsuccessful in discovering any coverage of this news story in the mainstream press. I will appreciate any reader who can provide any mainstream news media links to this story. Meanwhile, I'm assuming that Allvoices is almost exclusively covering this development as a news story. I filed the meager blogs and announcements on it that I could locate in the appropriate tabs at the top. I'm interested to see if the Allvoices computer of syndication will uncover any more.

2) Whether or not you are a proponent of vigilante groups, this story is significant. Because I wrote it from the Border Action Network's press release, this retelling of the story will perhaps favor or better represent their perspective on the event. I did my best to avoid writing it as an opinion piece. You can let me know in the comments how successful I was at that, if you wish.

As always, I appreciate your interest in the story and the time you took to read it.

While I'm a strong proponent of enforcing immigration laws, you don't do it by breaking other laws. Even illegals have a right to due process, and all people within the borders of the US have a right to be free from persecution associated with their ethnicity. That's one of the reasons I'm so passionately opposed to the Patriot Act.

We as Americans, must maintain our individual rights as guaranteed by our Constitution, even if it means that we sacrifice a degree of security to do so; When we waive those rights, the terrorists win, without firing a shot or exploding a bomb.

People have a right expect reasonable treatment within the US, regardless of who they are.

Baloney. And what a spin, and it appears Border Explorer you must be a paid representative of the "new" vigilante groups that are policing the lawful United States citizens and their rights to protect their lives and property in the border states. Are you a citizen of Mexico or of the U.S. since it is clear you haven't a clue. In fact, the lawful Mexican Americans in Arizona have a rather derogatory term they themseles use to describe the border hoppers and criminal element, which I am sure would offend your sensibilities but is actually used by their fellow ex-countrymen due to the progressive arrogance of many of those same border hoppers that have victimized even the lawful Mexican American community - especially so since Reagan's amnesty.

And the original Minutemen were merely ranchers, not a corporate PAC organization that is actually nothing more than another spinoff of the U.S. government itself, since all they do is collect money for the government for their donations so that they can receive matching sums. Sort of like all those 'civil rights' organizations, that are nothing more than a bunch of lawyers who got together in order to lobby for their own government welfare using the people of this country in order to forment their agendas. Write one unconstitutional law after another, and then clean up when your fellow industry members then have to prosecute or defend a citizen against their own 1,000 page garbage bills which have now come down the pike.

All the while using your education and air of respectability to intimidate the masses with the propaganda that it is only lawyers that can read or understand the Constitution - when it was written so that the average American can understand it, much less our government officials.

And those original Minutemen were ranchers, who patrolled merely the border towns and areas where most of the criminal element holed up as a distribution center for their smack, crack and heroin and also the auto theft rings that operate cross borders which has made it almost impossible to live in the border states for longer than a few years before you are victimized, and your insurance then goes off the charts.

Get a grip, and a clue. And start talking to the lawful Mexican Americans that live in the border towns for the real truth.

Since it has been many of their children who have also been the victims of those kidnappings now in Arizona.

And why don't you live there for a few years, rather than attempting to facilitate merely your liberal political agendas that are actually no more than treason on your fellow countrymen, whether they be Mexican American, German American, Irish American, or African American.

All have been victims of the criminal "hopppers," since their crimes know no color.

And if the Pope has a fence (actually a wall and fortress) around his country in order to secure and protect it, then it is shear negligence on the part of Washington and the Arizona legislature to continue to victimize their fellow countrymen for their own "welfare."

And eight years after 9/11, simply outright treason at this point.

But I'll leave that to you, someone who has not been victimized or watched the progressive addictions and victimization of the border state residents children and loved ones to that abuse to put it in the "liberals" politically correct terms.

Such as murder, rape, extortion, kidnappings. What are the politically correct terms for that?

Oh, and the biggest one of all. Theft. And I do believe that protection of your life and property is one of those unalienable rights, but then again those that desecrate the Constitution such as those in the liberal camp that redefine now even self-protection as somehow politically incorrect, obviously haven't a clue.

And where did you say you lived most of your life? In the Northeast or Midwest was it?

Those supposed "vigilante" groups are actually doing absolutely nothing. Not like the ranchers of old who actually did stop them before they reached the interior of the state, in defense of also their property. Since those PAC organizations like the "new" Minutemen simply collect money to run "candidates" instead of using those monies to sue the Feds for "breach of duty" under Article IV, Section 4 which respect to foreign invasion.

And the fact that there are over 12 million of them in this country at this time, is an indisputable piece of evidence that this country is defnitely under invasion from Mexico. Progressively, a term the "progressive" liberals love and believe shows just how "hip" they are.

While sacrificing their fellow countrymen in the process. Treason is what Franklin, Adamas and Jefferson would use.

Not "progressive" but "regressive."

"Organization of American States" is what? Not an organization of American states at all, since that is what the United States is. So this PAC organization of Mexican civil rights lawyers living in this country is now getting paid to stop Americans from protecting their lives, jobs and property?

Unbelieveable. And the British have invaded definitely. And are mostly professors at our law schools at this point, that is clear.

Border Explorer: Good to see you covering this. Very interesting development. I remember when Schwarzenegger threw his weight behind the Minutemen.

Until the U.S. makes a commitment to effectively protecting and patrolling the borders, nothing in the way of effective border patrol will occur. The Minutemen are like a dozen firefighters trying to put out 100,000 fires. And in some cases, such as the ones BE writes about in this report, the Minutemen might actually be lighting the matches.

Ross1776: Actually, the OAS is an Organization of American States. The United States of America, while the only country with "America" in its name, is not the only country in North, South or Central America. Since "state" can be used both to specify an American state, like Louisiana or Delaware, and in the generic sense to signify a sovereign nation (remember the recently popular term "rogue states"?), then yes, the OAS is very much an Organization of American States.

Cool and Very Interesting

Another tale of the crazy brave! If you lived in Mexico, then you would leave too. These vigilantes are idiots thinking that what they are really doing actually has an impact in the immigration problem. Let them come to the USA and become legal citizens. Then, the government can tax them. Instead of instilling fear, we need to develop empathy for those immigrants. And everything is spin to Ross1776 because he still lives in the time warp where he thinks he is still fighting the redcoats.

wow

That's an interesting piece of news. Quite aside form what Ross said, it is interesting to see indigenous human rights groups in the US pushing for investigation into issues like this. It is also interesting that the OAS is investigating the issue. Obviously the federal and state authorities should look into it themselves, but this will probably pressure them to do so.

well that is very stpid what they are doing

Yes, your story is very significant. I haven't seen anything like it in the mainstream news. As usual, Ross freely expressed himself. Great page count by the way!

cool

Tear down the fences, get rid of the minutemen, and let the cheap labor continue.

Sure, why not? Nobody on this side of the border needs a job right now, right?

I see this issue as squarely in the gray area of morality and legality. It's wrong to kill, right? But what if the victim is committing what he knows is a deadly game of lethal cat and mouse? If you tell me that if I cross your border you'll shoot me, and I did, well, you certainly will -- and I can't blame you.