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Why Obama Deserves The Nobel Peace Prize

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Washington : DC : USA | about 1 month ago  
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Yesterday morning the world was surprised by the news of that the current President of the United States of America had won the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize, and everyone went nuts. And once again the left turned defensive, finding themselves defending ridiculous and sound attacks and questions by the right and left.

Why? (was the question of the day)

Why does Obama deserve this award? What has he done?

The deadline for nomination was February 1, 2009, Obama had been inaugurated on January 21st. He’d been in office for 11 days.

Well, one thing he did was rally a massive portion of the population in his nation to elect him into the Presidency of the nation. One of the things he promised was carving a path to nuclear disarmament. Another was to end the practices of waterboarding, to order the shutting down on Guantanamo Bay detention center and a greater effort taken in pursuing multilateral solutions to international problems.

The prior President’s eight year foreign policies were not supported by many of the other countries of the world. The world expected more of the same if Obama’s opponent had won.

What was American’s foreign policy before Obama?

It was waterboarding to get any kind of connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda among other types of torture and other types of prisoners. Some of which were guilty and some were not. Some were arrested for possible crimes against the U.S. military others were drunks, thieves, graffiti writers, cab drivers and other everyday criminals. We were “arresting”(I’d say kidnapping, cause that’s how the parents view it) children of possible (and possible only) militants and terrorists to get to them.

The previous President initiated two wars as part of a larger “War on Terror” after 9/11. During which the government and military took part in activities that were seen as questionable, if not hostile.

Many in the world no longer viewed the U.S. as the bully on the world stage, by the time Obama was nominated for the Peace Prize.

What had he done? He’d won the Presidency in the most powerful nation in the world with a message of tolerance, cooperation, human rights, equality, diplomacy and other messages that changed how the world felt about us.

Then he came into office and stopped the waterboarding and ordered the closing of the Guantanamo Bay prison, the most prominent symbol of the torture and detention of terrorist and militant suspects.

What has he done since the nomination?

He’s taken steps to follow up on the promises of his election campaign.

American foreign policy is almost the polar opposite of what it was previously. We do not have the same view on unilateralism anymore; the biggest change the world sees of America is the multilateralism.

Europe and many others in the world praise Obama for bringing the U.S. closer to a more mainstream global perspective on issues as climate change and multilateralism.

Huffington Post reported, “A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush.”

To those that think this is an anti-Bush sentiment, I don’t agree. This seems like an approval of Obama more than a disapproval of W.

If anything, this is disapproval of unilateralism more than that of Bush.

What has he done to garner the praises of the Nobel committee?

President Obama gave the speech in Egypt that held up the changes in foreign policies as example of change in America’s role in the world. He gave a speech at the UN that he showed how practiced the change in U.S. foreign policies to lead by example.

He’s started talks with the Russians to bring down the numbers of nuclear weapons the two countries have. Something he more than hinted at while in Prague in April of 2008, before his nomination in February of 2009.

Obama has also shown how he is practicing the diplomacy and multilateralism promises by how he engaged Iran and its nuclear enrichment ambitions and the intentions of manufacturing a nuclear weapon.

His actions, as the most powerful world leader, in regards to nuclear disarmament are also an example of practicing diplomacy. He engaged the Russian President to start talks about that specific goal in July.

"He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts," Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna.

In July talks in Moscow, Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed that their negotiators would work out a new limit on delivery vehicles for nuclear warheads of between 500 and 1,100. They also agreed that warhead limits would be reduced from the current range of 1,700-2,200 to as low as 1,500. The U.S. now has about 2,200 such warheads, compared to about 2,800 for the Russians.-Huffington Post

I think it’s important to know how the Nobel Prize is determined.

Fox News:

A record 205 nominations were received by the committee this year, including 33 organizations. The previous record was 199 in 2005.

A nomination is considered valid by the Nobel Foundation if it's submitted by a member of national assemblies and governments, including members of the Inter-Parliamentary Union; members of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague and of the International Court of Justice at the Hague; members of Institut de Droit International; university professors of history, political science, philosophy, law and theology; former Nobel Peace Prize winners and board members of institutions that have previously won; and former permanent advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Institute.

"The candidates on the short list are then considered by the Nobel Institute's permanent advisers," the site reads. "In addition to the Institute's Director and Research Director, the body of advisers generally consists of a small group of Norwegian university professors with broad expertise in subject areas with a bearing on the Peace Prize. The advisers usually have a couple of months in which to draw up their reports. Reports are also occasionally requested from other Norwegian and foreign experts."

In his will, Swedish industrialist and inventor Alfred Nobel said the Peace Prize, presented annually in Oslo, should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

The multilateralism is not really disputed by most. The “holding and promotion of peace” is a little bit more disputed. And the “abolition or reduction of standing armies” perhaps is the most disputed.

With the troops still in Iraq and the escalation of troops in Afghanistan being decided upon taking place as he is being given a prize about peace is understandably questionable.

But actions for “reduction” have taken place. They are taking place right now.

Previous winners include U.S. presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson (who’s attempts at no future wars have not yet come true), former President Jimmy Carter (who’s goals for peace in the middle east have not been realized), former Vice President Al Gore (who hasn’t stop pollution and global warming), Israeli President Shimon Peres, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (who after getting the prize did things not considered to be peaceful) and former U.S. Secretary of State Henry. And quite a few more people have been awarded for their efforts and work.

Other previous members include Archbishop Desmond Tutu who was awarded for trying to end apartheid in South Africa, a decade before it actually happened. Carl von Ossietzky was a German journalist that was given a Nobel Peace Prize for opposing the rise of Hitler in Germany domestically, before Hitler came out of power.

President Obama after finding out that he had won said this in a speech:

But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women and all Americans want to build, a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.

We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear weapons: because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful intentions. We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could forever damage the world that we pass on to our children, sowing conflict and famine, destroying coastlines and emptying cities.

And that's why all nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the way that we use energy. We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see one another. And that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of different faiths and races and religions, one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect. And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so much pain and hardship over so many years. And that effort must include an unwavering commitment to finally realize that -- the rights of all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own.

We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and dignity that all people yearn for: the ability to get an education and make a decent living, the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future. And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as we know it today. I am the commander in chief of a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies.

The speeches that many of his critics cite as his only accomplishment are in fact a progress report of sort. Each speech highlights what has been done and mostly talks about what is there still to be done.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama embodies the "return of America into the hearts of the people of the world."

In a message to the U.S. president, Sarkozy expresses his "very great joy" for Obama and says the honor should strengthen the U.S. leader's determination to work toward peace, justice and "maintaining our planet's great balances."

Could someone else have won the Peace Prize, yes. Did someone else also deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, yes. Does Obama deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, yes.

The answer is always yes to those questions. It’s been yes for every other Nobel Peace Prize winner.

The Nobel Peace Prize is given out by a bunch of Norwegians intellectuals. They believe that Barack Obama met their criteria for the award. Great! Another prestige bestowed on an American leader.

There’s nothing wrong with that.

In my opinion this places more pressure for the President to accomplish the goals he has set out to reach. In my opinion this allows for us to keep him in check. It shows that there are people counting on him to do what he said he is trying to do. And I don’t see anything wrong with pressuring the President to pursue the values he talked about in his election campaign.

An Article That Talks About Why He Deserves The Peace Prize For What Obama's Done Domestically

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hayling/detail??blogid=129&entry_id=49319

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Posted By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
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Posted By myVox myVox | about 1 month ago
Chairperson of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Thorbjorn Jagland, had to actually hold up Barack Obama's photograph and show that it is indeed him who took the prize. LOL!
Posted By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | about 1 month ago
He can't even stop the youth in his hometown of Chicago from shooting each other and he has not been able to bring Democrats & Republicans together.

He received the award based on his speech in Berlin. He was portrayed as a Global citizen and a pacifist.
If anything, the speechwriter & the inventor of the teleprompter should each get a third of the award. Without any of those other two components, Obama may have never pulled off the speech.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
And what exactly should the President be doing about he violence in Chicago?

He hasn't been able to bring Republican and Democracts together huh?

(He's being praised for his work in regards to foreign policy, did you miss that part of my article)

A pacifist huh? (Yeah uh not too many war hawks get to win the Peace Prize, and how exactly does someone running two wars be considered a pacifist?)

Oh speechwriters and teleprompter, lol you are so funny and clever. (did you miss the part where I wrote teh speeches are just a progress report?)
Posted By pollard pollard | about 1 month ago
I agree with you red. The writer lost a lot of respect when he mentioned
The Huntington Post and
Parliamentary Union; members of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague and of the International Court of Justice at the Hague; members of Institut de Droit International;
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
And why is that, anything I quoted from them false?

This was quoted from Fox News "Parliamentary Union; members of the Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague and of the International Court of Justice at the Hague; members of Institut de Droit International;" what about that is false exactly?
Posted By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
An interesting comment by an "efriend" of mine:


"The man fought back racism within his country, held off a challenge during the primaries from one of America's most powerful political machines (Hillary) and defeated a _Vietnam veteran and 30 year politician. Every day since that historic election on 04 November 2008 the opposition political party has been anything but loyal - in fact they have encouraged sedition, secession and racism.

"The GOP (Gang Of Predators) Modus operandi (M.O.) from day one was to bring down this president stratosphere hovering popular polling numbers and it's working...

"The definition of _terrorist includes disruption of normalcy - I'd submit the GOP (Gang Of Predators) have indeed form a formidable fringe element fueled by hatred .

"This must stop.

"I commend the president for working towards bipartisanship but he must realize anything which he proposes or endorses the GOP (Gang Of Predators) opposes unconditionally.

"It's time to move on because some of those 70 million people that voted for the man to lead and deliver the promises are wavering and abandoning his team.

"Best advice I can give is put a boot on the throats of opposition including Blue Dogs and more forward. They don't like you sir and nothing that you do will ever change this simple fact."
Posted By firesisle firesisle | about 1 month ago
But why was he nominated? Was the nomination committee on the phone with Miss Cleo?
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
I think you missed the part in the article that led to his nomination. The things he did before feb 1.

Just so you don't have to re-read the article...in short. He called for nuclear disarmament, multilateralism, diplomacy before war, being anti-torture, and convincing the American population to vote for a person that believed in those things.

The speech in Prague took place in April 2008 about what he was going to do as President highlighting his foreign policy goals. Not to torture, not to go at it unilaterally, not to start pre-emptive wars, work towards nuclear disarmament, more diplomacy.

And then went into working to achieve those goals day one of his Presidency.

The orders for the Guantanamo bay prison are in, might take longer to implement than thought, but it will still happen. Waterboarding has stopped. Multilateralism started day one, in regards to Iran, among other things. Global cooperation started day one. Global leadership started day one.

He became the President of the nation that was backing up tortures, unilateralism, pre-emptive wars based on psuedo-evidence etc. practicing beliefs that were contrary to those actions.
Reply By firesisle firesisle | about 1 month ago
He was a politician running for office who had, in no way, previously distinguished himself for either his works or opinions. He was a member of a racist church with a racist pastor, who he described as his mentor. He hung out with known domestic terrorists. In the state legislature, he never voted...

Essentially, he did nothing before February but talk, and avoid taking a stand on anything... great choice for the Nobel prize... *LOL*. I wonder if Arafat send him a congratulatory message; I'm sure Al Gore did.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
So are you saying he didn't stand for nuclear disarmament, stopping waterboarding, multilateralism, stopping pre-emptive wars, climate change...to get himself elected. He didn't convince a country, people almost always classified as middle right to vote for the ideas of the left. He didn't become President despite his race, and equally qualified opponents. Are you saying he didn't put the U.S. back in the leadership position in the world?
Posted By koolmanflow koolmanflow | about 1 month ago
this stuff confusin me
Posted By robertweller robertweller | about 1 month ago
bravo
Posted By pollard pollard | about 1 month ago
Fire,
He deserved it, after all us mean americans were waterboarding prisoners and putting ladies panties on terrorist heads. All they did was cut prisoners heads off, kill innocent by standers. Shame on us evil americans.
Reply By firesisle firesisle | about 1 month ago
Good point... I stand corrected...
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
So you're saying no innocent bystanders were ever killed by Americans, and no AMericans ever brutally kill any Iraqis and Afghanis?

So you're saying everyone that was tortured and killed through torture was a terrorist and deserved it. Everyone that was abused so much that they committed suicide at Gitmo and other prisons were all knoown terrorists?

So you're saying Americans never raped and kill anyone in Iraq and Afghanistan?

They were not all terrorists retards. You can imagine them to be terrorists all you want, they weren't terrorists. Most of the people whose pictures came out from Abu Gharaib were not terrorists.

We tortured and killed people that were not terrorists. You guys just don't want to believe that do you? They were cab drivers, drunks, thieves, relatives of people we were actually looking for, kids who threw rocks at tanks, people turned in for rewards that weren't taliban or al qaeda.

We were torturing and torturing to death people that were not guilty of any crime.

Ignorant. Obama's biggest achievment...becoming President with idiots like you guys living in this country and having the right to vote.
Posted By pollard pollard | about 1 month ago
Hey, dude, what about the thousands in the world trade centers, what about the mothers, fathers,sisters,brothers, on the planes that were hijacked, I imagine you were sad that the hijackers had to die, I imagine then, what you are saying, everyone in the WTC and in the planes were combatants and deserved it? And you call us ignorant!

Your last statement speaks volumes about you and your true beliefs.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
Tell me why when first the article was talking about Obama's attempt at playing nice with the other countries that made you bring up, people in AMerican custody deserve being tortured. And then when I counter with no they don't cause your logic is ignorant, cause all of them weren't terrosists and insurgents, now you shift the subject to the 9/11 terrorists.

Stop shifting from the topic. You said the people detained by us deserved to be tortured. I said they do not. That speaks volumes for the kind of person you are.

The kind of person who believes in torture and will try to justify it anyay he can, even if its by bringing up evidence that doesn't make sense.

We killed people in our custody, meaning they were restrained. They had no weapons, they were no threat to anyone that was "interogating" them. They killed a cab driver from Afghanistan, not a terrorist, not part of the Taliban, not part of Al Qaeda, not part of any violence. A cab driver that was kidnapped and turned in by the real Taliban for a cash reward.

The people that they made into a human pyramid and jerk off in front of the camera, made to act like dogs, threaten by death with dogs and guns pointed at them, saying they killed the prisoner in the next room and that he was going to be next. All of these things are illegal, the people subjegated were not terrorists or insurgents, and you approve of it.

I don't approve of the WTC disaster. Nor the Pentagon one, nor the one in Pennslyvania.

But you do approve of the torture, cause you are a true God fearing, conservative Bible loving, red white and blue AMERICAN.

Maybe you don't understand how torturing effects our troops. First off institutionalized torturing makes soilders hate the people more. THey go out and treat every raghead as the same. They arrest and abuse anyone that even breathes funny. Some of the abused die. The abused and the dead have families as well, espescially the innocent ones, and the abuse now fills them with hate.

SO now you have the US troops filled with hate and Iraq/Afghani citizens filled with hate. Can you see where this is headed? Probably not.

Do you ever wonder why there is always a healthy amount of insurgents, cause we created more and more the longer we stay there and torture and abuse.

Just like all we see if possible terrorists in them, all they see is invaders in us. And the violence there gets worse and worse. And more US troops die. And more innocent Iraqis and Afghanis die. Which causes more arrests of people and more torturing and then more deaths and more arrests and more deaths and more arrests and more deaths and more arrests...

But you don't care, you want them to be sexually molested in our prisons, you want them to be sexually assaulted by a broomstick. You want them to be kneed so many times that they die in interrogations as they hang from the ceiling. You want them kneed so much that their legs turn to pulp and they die and we don't get any info from them. You want our troops to piss on the Quran and threaten prisoners to death. You want waterboarding.

All of these behaviors that you want will get more of our troops killed. I hope it's worth the sacrifice.
Posted By firesisle firesisle | about 1 month ago
I agree that there's no reason to torture our prisoners merely because our own people who are taken prisoner are treated as badly or considerably worse. There is a time when we need to take a stand for human rights, and torture is unacceptable, at any level.

In saying that, however, if a family member was directly in harms way, and some brutal methods would gain what I needed to stop it, I doubt I'd have the resolve not to do it.

I notice you're in Chi-town... do you have any previous affiliation with Obama, before he was elected?
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
" if a family member was directly in harms way, and some brutal methods would gain what I needed to stop it, I doubt I'd have the resolve not to do it."

This scenerio does not really exist. All sorts of real negotiators will tell you this. All sorts of CIA studies tell you that torture does not get you intelligence, it gets you whatever you want to hear, and sometimes it doesn't get you that either. Teh connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam being an example.


This "24" type of scenerio never really happens. There is no bomb ticking, that will be stopped at the last minute. There are no sniper ready to shoot a leader somewhere and we can stop him if we could get this person to talk. And there is no information that we can get from torturing that wouldn't have to be confirmed another way prior to considering it legit.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
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Posted By pollard pollard | about 1 month ago
What does your 10 page rebuttal have to do with the nobel prize. Please show me where I said torture is OK. You have already showed your true colors, when it comes to our troops, in the other poll. So spare us with your self righteousness. So now they are ragheads, your concern is fake. But by all means please show me where I said I condone torture and stop putting words in my mouth.
Posted By pollard pollard | about 1 month ago
Also your accusations of deaths at gitmo are completly false, you accused me of not doing research and running my mouth before I've checked facts, well if I were a liberal I would demand an apology from you. Besides gitmo's closed down is'nt it, Oh thats right, that was one of obamas many broken promises. apparently he likes it.
Reply By amalgam80 amalgam80 | about 1 month ago
If you think the accusations are false man, they you haven't done the proper research.

The stories were in print, on the news, on the internet, in magazines, books have been written about them and documentaries have been made about them.

If you wanted to find out about the prisoners that have died while being interrogated the information is not hard to find.


Taxi To The Dark Side is the name of the documentary. You can find it online. Standard Operating Procedures is another documentary, also viewable online. You don't have to even leave your house. Aside from that articles in the New Yorker. Articles in the Wall Street Journal, ariticles in Newsweek and Time. There are news clips about the deaths on Youtube.

My facts have been checked. I spent half a semester researching this crap for a Political Science class, a little after all the Abu Gharaib crap went on.

You know the things you say the loony liberals were mindlessly protesting against while Bush was President, this was one of those things. This was one of the things you were supporting him for and the "liberals"(in quotes cause more than liberals were protesting it) were portesting against.

And these stories are of the people the military couldn't hide. Noramally the dead prisoners are just classified as terrorists and that is that. Sometimes they are not able to because someone took a picture. Someone leaked an autopsy report. Someone spoke out against it. Someone wrote an article on it. Someone wrote a book about it. SOmeone made a documentary about it.

The sources are there, we've killed people in our custody that did not deserve to die. To state something contradictory is false.
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