Obama Ignores National Day of Prayer but Embraces Muslim Day of Prayer

I hear your concerns, you wrote "I wish American-Muslims would come forward more in the media supporting America's War on Terror."

Let me tell you I am an American Muslim, and I am very much against the crazy terrorist extremists. Muslims aren't really friendly toward the media. Many view keeping their views to themselves as a noble thing. Many do come out and are very vocal about their views, but you have to understand that we are not like the people that are shown on tv. We are not all brown or black. We don't all have beards and turban, or scarves and veils. If you ever saw me on the street you'd think I was Mexican (it happens all the time). What I'm trying to get at is that, in a crowd of people, who are trying to bring attention to the war on terror, you will not be able to tell who is Muslim and who is not.

I read your article about 9/11, and I saw that you lost someone in the buildings. And I'm sorry. What many in the world don't realize is that many Muslims died in the towers too. And if there's one thing you need to know about Muslims, they don't stand for Muslims killing other Muslims. We absolutely hate it.

There are many of us that support the War on terror, but we also know that many more than the numbers of innocents that died on 9/11 have been killed by the War on Terror. More Muslim innocent dead than Americans. Why would a Muslim come out and support that?

Change all the Muslims in that last two paragraphs and replace it with Christians and maybe you'll get where I'm coming from.

We are not all the crazy extremists you see on tv. There are a billion Muslims in the world. but the media likes to protray us as if we were. Why would we want to come out to that media?

The world turned its back to the Muslim world after 9/11. Anyone that said that we all aren't terrorists was viewed with suspicion. Anyone that spoke out publically against terrorism, was viewed as if he was trying to cover up is true intentions.

I don't even know if you believe what I am telling you or not.

But it doesn't really matter to me.

But believe me, that song about Obama, it was for the Black History Month in that school. It was celebrating the achievment of the first black President. It was praising things like equality and hard work. It is not some Muslim take over. It is not indoctrination. It was just a song the kids learned to celebrate the first black President in American history, for Black History Month.

And if it makes you feel any better, children sang songs for W. also, while he was President. Praising him. And the children weren't from one school but 3. There was nothing sinister about the song sung for Bush and there is nothing sinister about the song sung for Obama.

I can understand that his middle name may make you be weary of him, but trust me, he is not Muslim. And he is not trying to get everyone indoctrinated. He did not order the children to be singing the song.

And the fact that one of the lyrics was froma church song, doesn't mean he's trying to equate himself to a messiah or God. It means that the person who wrote the song is a religious person, that used a church song as influence to write the song for Black History Month.

Hope I didn't write anything to offend you in any manner. If I did, I apologize in advance. I can tell you went out of your way to not be offensive either and I thank you for that.

bad obama.

If more and more research is done by people by perusing Islamic texts, many more people will find out that the true goal of Islam is to force everyone else to follow Islam by whatever means possible. Well, since I am on this earth, their hopes and dreams of winning the jihad will continue to be dashed.

sorry ahol, your reading of the texts are wrong or you read some of the same texts the extremists read. You are talking about a very small an extreme population of Muslims when you are talking about jihad. Most of us can't even get are bills paid let alone have time and energy to go around trying to convert and take over the world.

Which one of the Muslim nations do you think has the ability to take over the world? I really don't think there are any. Even if they combined, which is highly unlikely because of inside bickering, they do not have the military power to battle the U.S., let alone all the other countries they would have to battle along side the U.S..

I wouldn't characterize all Muslims in the same like as the terrorists. Bad things happen when an entire group of people is accused of something a few in the group may be doing. Ask teh Jews about it.

I agree

me too

Thank you for all your honest comments. It comes down to double standards in everything in the media. I feel we are not reporting both sides of any issue in today's media channel, CNN, Fox News, etc. As far as American-Muslims getting a bad rap in the media, I feel that ia also true as mentioned by "amalgam80". One of my friends at my former employer is a Muslim and his son enlisted in the US Marines and he stills feels the seperation in today's society. However, I think American-Muslims organizations need to come forward and make public statements against acts of terror. There are demostrations with the elections in Iran and when someone feels discrimated against such as a teen not be hired by Aercrombie and Fitch. Why would a teen try to work for an organization that embraces sexuality in their advertising with their erotic models?
Part of the company's policy is to have their employees wear their clothes and this particular teen did not want to because of her religious beliefs. Apparently, this is not the first teen to try and sue this corporation on these grounds. Why would someone try to work for a company that interferes with your religious beliefs? Unless you are trying to impose your relgious laws onto others without their consent? Would you like a 4oo pound gym instructor working for you at your gym?
Is it discrimation? I think not, you have company standards and you do not meet those standards. So, I think American-Muslims can be vocal when they want to. So, my concern is, unless American-Muslims stand by their fellow American brothers and sisters from all walks of life, there will always be one leary eye on you because we do not know what team you are playing on. I can understand and invision what it is like to be Muslim in America but can an American-Muslim invision what is like for the other person as well and why there is some level of mistrust?
There is just no honest effort that I can see. I just want someone to educate me why? We hear about CAIR but never on the topics I would like hear about. Why? Someone coach me.

I think you forget that American Muslims are Americans. And so when you ask if we can envision what it is like for other people that are not Muslims in AMerica, the answer is a very big yes. We are constantly told, shown and see what others think of us, but it doesn't mean that we are going to be compliant with everything. We have a right to a lifestyle as well, we should not have to be forced to do everything a non-muslim does. No one asks Jewish people to do everything a Christian does, and Buddhist don't have to agree with everything the Jews do, etc...

The case of Abercrombie: I've read and understood what you have written. The only thing that disqualified the girl from working at Abercrombie was her scarf. Abercrombie has plenty of clothes that Muslim women can wear, it is just that they would not allow her to keep her scarf on while sporting the Abercrombie clothes.

Now I am a little to old for Abercrombie and have not went in tothe store in ages, but I think the store has scarves that they sell themselves. She could perhaps sport one of them. But they didn't even try to work around this situation. They immediatley told her she was not the type of person Abercrombie hires. It is one of the laws of this nation that prohibits people from denying employment based on racial and religious backgrounds and that is why she has a case.

The other case you brought up concerning abercrombie was not a Muslim case, it was a case about abercrombie not hiring minorities, and that is wrong no matter what.

Other clothing companies also have rules like Abercrombie's (Gap, Banana Republic, J. Crew) and they all hire Muslim girls that wear a scarf.

I don't think the mistrust of Muslim Americans comes from the "walk of life" you mention. We were respected and seen to be just some more immigrants before 9/11. It is 9/11 and the wars that followed it that has made other Americans weary of Muslim Americans. Much like the Japanese, Russians and Germans had been treated while we were in a War with them.

I personally believe that the mistrust comes from the fact that we are at war with countries that are primarily Muslims and therefore non-Muslims have a hard time trusting Muslims, in general. But the cool thing is that it is only strangers that most don't trust. Many Americans that know Muslim Americans trust them. I know all my neighbors, teachers, peers, work mates all trust me just fine. Same goes for my family and relatives.

"There is just no honest effort that I can see. I just want someone to educate me why? We hear about CAIR but never on the topics I would like hear about. Why? Someone coach me."

First off CAIR is an American Muslim activist group. They are here to serve the Muslim community, not to pamper non-Muslims who have fears about their fellow Americans. It's just not what they are about. They are a "civil rights and advocacy group". Their job is not to protest against foreign policy issues, they are more on the domestic front.

Secondly, Muslims are in every aspect of American life. There are entertainers, sport figures, lawyers, doctors, police men, military members, politicians, reporters, mechanics, plumbers, you name it, there are Muslims there. We are already walking, talking, working, playing, learning beside you, what other honest effort could you want to see. We are very much Americans, we are just not Christian, Jewish, secularist Americans, we are Muslim Americans.

When 9/11 happened Muslims were ready to fight against terrorism and mostly supported going into Afghanistan. But we did not believe for a second anything that was said about Iraq and the reasons for going into that nation.

And now, 8 years later, Bin Laden is nolonger in AFghanistan and for some reason we are still in Iraq. why would we protest against people fighting in their own country against someone they see as invaders.

After Japan attacked us, it only made sense that we go and fight against the Japanese, but why stay there fighting if we've already won. And in Afghanistan and in Iraq, I think the U.S. has already won and now they are making it a mission different from what it was in the beginning.

Bin Laden is in Pakistan now, so why are we in Afghanistan. Saddam is no more, so why are we still in Iraq? Muslims want answer and the ones given are very much un-American because America is not suppose to believe in nation building.

Most American Muslims are in support of the current President. And so we are waiting to see what he does. So far he said he is going to leave Iraq. Good. HE's trying to release detainees that are not guilty of terrorism. Good. He is at the moment undecided on what he will do in Afghanistan, but whatever he decides, there will be a reaction to it by Muslim Americans, either good or bad, but my point is that it is the reaction of Muslim Americans. We don't have to behave and think the same way as the non-Muslim Americans do. Why shoudl we, we are a little bit different from the rest, that is why we will act differently.

The same can be said for any other American group. I don't expect Jewish Americans to support teh u.s. going to war against Israel, I'm sure the Jewish community would like it if we handled our difference through diplomacy instead, so why can't the Muslims behave in the same manner without being equated to terrorists.

These terrorists do not belong to any particluar nation. They kill Muslims as well as non-Muslims. Thrust me, no one besides other extremists agree with them. Like I said before, Muslims really really really don't like Muslims that kill other Muslims. But they will also not come out and bad mouth Afghanistan and Iraq just because the government confuses the terrorists with the citizens of those nations.

Let me know if that cleared anything up. Hope it helped and didn't offend.

your comments seperates american muslaims from non muslim americans.....for example "When 9/11 happened Muslims were ready to fight against terrorism and mostly supported going into Afghanistan. But we did not believe for a second anything that was said about Iraq and the reasons for going into that nation." ....but "we" mulsims as compared to non mulsims?

but this sentence bothers me the most - "And now, 8 years later, Bin Laden is nolonger in AFghanistan and for some reason we are still in Iraq. why would we protest against people fighting in their own country against someone they see as invaders."..... are you saying you support the killing of american and nato troops by the taliban?

yes analgam i am well aware of who the taliban is....don't be condescending

but you still are separating yourself from being an american...muslim americans think this and that...you are a muslim first and an american second? and are you in a position to say what muslim americans think?

and i as an american american speaking only for myself, as i would not presume to speak for others, think if we pull out of afghanistan now the taliban will take over again and once again give sanctuary to bin laden and other militant groups….not to mention the fact that the taliban are barbarians . how can anyone see any different out come?

Yeah the we means the Muslims, but no, not in comparison.

And for the second paragraph: I don't support killing anyone. So no that is not what I'm saying. What I was trying to say was that Bin Laden is no longer in Afghanistan. He is most probably in Pakistan. So why are we still in Afghanistan? Our moral right to be in Afghanistan was to get Bin Laden, so Muslim Americans support that, go get al qaeda and Bin Laden. You see the Taliban were the people in charge of the Afghanistan "government". They were the government of Afghanistan. They gave shelter to Bin Laden and his crazies. The Afghani Taliban is no longer hiding Bin LAden, it's the Pakistani tribes or extremist that are hiding him. So right now the people fighting in Afghanistan are mostly the Taliban, not al qaeda. They see themselves as the homeland resistance, and us, The AMericans, as the invaders.

The American Muslims don't have a problem with you getting to bin Laden and al qaeda, but the problem is that while we are in afghanistan we are daily killing Afghani civilians. Hordes of them. And teh Taliban is killing Afghani civilians also. And obviously they are killing Americans as well, so there is no way an American Muslim would support either side.

The American side doesn't like the dying of innocent civilians and American troops. The Muslim side doesn't like the killing of innocent civilians, by both the taliban and the Americans. And no one likes war.

It is a tradegy for American Muslims no matter who dies and we just want it to be over.

I don't know if this elaboration helped or not, but no I and other American Muslims do not support the killing of American and NATO troops and we also don't support the killing of anyone else either.

First of all I am sorry that my language may not help me to let you get my thoughts ' I am Egyptian MUSLIM AND YOU HAVE WRONG IDEAS ABOUT ISLAM. Let me tell you what will a cat do if you attack it ? It will turn into a lion to resist your attack we didn't go to America to make a war as you have done in Afghanistan -Sudan and IRAQ you have come and destroy our land" our wealth and our people and extremists are been in every religion and every where Islam is the religion of peace and its name came from peace . peace means slam in Arabic who tells you that 9\11 is made by Muslim terrorists ....? no one give them the chance to talk and defend themselves all the time the media is being of the other and look at Guantanamo who listen to them ...
at the end thanks to sister Amal and for ahol who tells the true goal of Islam is to force everyone else to follow Islam by whatever means possible didn't you why........ ?that's because we want for you the best and you must know that QURAAN tells that there is no obligation in Islam ........ but we invite peacefully to Islam

"but we invite peacefully to Islam "

yeah? tell that to the people in swat

That "we invite peacefully to Islam" remark is about the kind of thing evangelicals and Jehovah(sp?) witnesses do? Where you go and invite people to come to church or read the Bible or have a discussion on religion and such. Only in the case of Islam it is a mosque not a church, and it is the Quran and not the Bible.

Don't turn what halzeid said into a terrorist thing. You don't know what he/she was talking about. He/She was going against the word "force" that ahol wrote and used the word "invite" instead.

halazeid was trying to clarify that it is not like the inquisition or anything. What ahol read or heard was misinformed or misinterpreted.

"we didn't go to America to make a war as you have done in Afghanistan -Sudan and IRAQ you have come and destroy our land" our wealth and our people "

" who tells you that 9\11 is made by Muslim terrorists ....? no one give them the chance to talk and defend themselves"

what he is saying is that america was not attack by muslims, it is all a lie by the american media and america attaked all these muslim countires with no provocation

this is where he said america is evil

"First of all I am sorry that my language may not help me to let you get my thoughts ' I am Egyptian MUSLIM AND YOU HAVE WRONG IDEAS ABOUT ISLAM. Let me tell you what will a cat do if you attack it ? It will turn into a lion to resist your attack we didn't go to America to make a war as you have done in Afghanistan -Sudan and IRAQ you have come and destroy our land" our wealth and our people and extremists are been in every religion and every where Islam is the religion of peace and its name came from peace . peace means slam in Arabic who tells you that 9\11 is made by Muslim terrorists ....? no one give them the chance to talk and defend themselves all the time the media is being of the other and look at Guantanamo who listen to them ...
at the end thanks to sister Amal and for ahol who tells the true goal of Islam is to force everyone else to follow Islam by whatever means possible didn't you why........ ?that's because we want for you the best and you must know that QURAAN tells that there is no obligation in Islam ........ but we invite peacefully to Islam"


Where in there did he/she say "america is evil"?

no i understood him correctly when he saide that america is evil and muslims are good

You have made my point by your own words. Thank you Halazeid.

As my article stated, it is a sad day in America that other religions are given the opportunity to do what they did on 9-25-09 and if the Christian community had asked to do this on the steps of the capital, we would have been blocked from all sides of the issues. Athiests would petition that the government and state are to be kept seperate and the other anti christian people would have been picketing against us as well. Do you not see that by quieting Christianity, we are not being allowed to have our rights as Americans to freedom of speech and religion? I did not hear anyone shouting keep church and state seperate when the Muslims were praying on the capital steps. It is reverse discrimination against the christians of this country. I don't hear anyone mad that a Muslim, or a Hindu or a Budhist went into their kids school to talk to them about their religion. But as soon as a Christian wants to do this everyone is up in arms about it and a perfect example is when prayer is spoken out loud at a football game or any other sporting event. If we Christians are to keep out of politics, schools and other government bodies, then so must all the religions of this world. Lets make our government and schools totally non-religious. Don't you question yourself when you find more tolerance for other religions but you have no tolerance for Christianity? That should tell you something, maybe you are fighting something deep within your soul. We Christians are asked to be tolerant of other religions We are told if you don't like it change the channel, close your ears, or turn away. But anti religious people are not tolerant of Christians? Why is that? We ask for the same thing from the rest of the world. If you don't like it change the channel, close your ears, turn away. But we do have the same freedoms that anyone else does and we need to stand up for our rights!
One other thing, just like there are radicals in other religions and anti-religios organizations, there are some radicals in the Christian community. They do not represent all Christians. Just like the Muslims say to us that they do not represent terrorists but are linked to them by association and religion. You believe them when they tell you that but as soon as a radical Christian person does something crazy or out there then you say, "ALL CHRISTIANS ARE RELIGIOUS NUTS" If someone is passionate about something, then it can manifest in many ways and it is not always the best representation. With this said, my article was meant to generate a news article and awareness not to engage in a heated debate about Isalm. The purpose of my article still has not been addressed, why is our President of the United States forsaking a White House tradition since 1952 but embrace Muslim Day of Prayer? Double Standards like I been saying and noone is addressing. My article has nothing do with foreign policy so if you are going to comment, lets stay focus.

" It is reverse discrimination against the christians of this country. I don't hear anyone mad that a Muslim, or a Hindu or a Budhist went into their kids school to talk to them about their religion. But as soon as a Christian wants to do this everyone is up in arms about it"

When has this happened? When has a budhist or a Muslim or a Hindu gone to a school to talk about their religion. And when has a told not to?


Learning about religions happens in school, but it si all religions, Christianity is not being excluded. But no religious worship or activity is allowed during class time, across the board.

" If we Christians are to keep out of politics, schools and other government bodies, then so must all the religions of this world. Lets make our government and schools totally non-religious."

No one is tell you to be out of politics, they are telling you to keep your religion out of it government and schools that are run by governments. No one is stopping a private school of doing anything.

When I had to sing "Joy To the World", "Hark the Hearld" and other religious Christmas songs for (public) school functions, it was an assault to my religion and my views.

What if you were forced to sing, "Joy to the world, Muhammad has come"? Would you like it?

I'm an AMerican too, my parents' taxes are partly paying for my education too, why should I be forced to sing praise to a person I do not consider God's son. Something that is a huge sin in my religion, equating people to gods.

I don't come to public schools and ask non-Muslims to pray five times a day, and that means you can not put up a nativity scene on the yard of the public schools either.

You are allowed to wear a cross to school, just like muslim girls are allowed to wear scarves to school, jewish students can wear their yamikas(sp?) to school. There is tolerence both ways.

There are still clubs and organizations allowed in public schools that are of a religious matter. Since that is outside of class time, and all religions are allowed these clubs. A nice balance of tolerence and keeping religion outside of the classroom.

chinook i am for abolishing religion all together...lol...

there should be separation of church and state...regardless of the religion....it is up to "we the people" to see that this is so

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Shouldn't a president be endowed the right to push his fellow citizens to a level of understanding given the situations we as Americans are faced with?

Compassion IS fulfilling for all walks of creation.

What promotes our president's choices as an equal to our hope for peace?

The two-handed computer mice working in unison?

Always ready for an end for war, raw foodist Bhuddists see a bridge and are never too poor to pay the toll.

Would we pull troops out of the depths of Afghanistan, should the card for peace be drawn from the bicycle pack of cards?

Would we localize our jobs with the knowledge of an end to war, or at least the possibility?

We should be ashamed of ourselves for letting each other fall into our own fears and hurtfull sorrows. Where's the brother or sister who catches one's fall when one's down? Where's the connection with trust that says worry not, dear child, for our time will come where peace and prosperity shall reign and justice will join hands with liberty once and for all???

This must mean some solution has yet to be discovered. We're needing to stop the wastefulness. We're needing to end the prejudice behavior. The hatred must end and the horrific killing must be neutralized. For the love of compassionate presidents and nations worldwide, give us the choice of progress that returns to the reunion of mothers and fathers
around the world.

I agree OMega but is America's current president doing that? You cannot do that by catering to one group of citizens. Personally, America is a mess right now and America blood is being spilled for nothing. We need to secure our boaders, fine tune our security and start taking care of own first. But once again, everyone is going on rants about Afghanistan. Please everyone, do not post comments on Afghanistan in relations to this article. Write your article on this subject. This article is about double standards not if we or should not be in Afghanistan.

I wasn't being condescending, at least not on purpose, relax.

And also read the first sentence of what I wrote: "I think you forget that American Muslims are Americans."

That is not separating American Muslims from non-Muslim Americans. When I am using words like "American Muslims" and "Muslim AMericans", I am talking about Americans that are Muslims, because that is what Chinook was asking about.

And what the hell does that mean, you are a Muslim first then an American? What kind of retarded statement is that? You say that to Jewish Americans too, what about buddhist Americans, black Americans, Mexican Americans, Irish Americans, Japanese Americans, rich Americans, poor Americans?

And I am in the position to say what Muslim Americans think, considering I have a huge Muslim American family, I am a Muslim American, I;ve been to Muslims American Sunday school, I'm an American and a Muslim, I hang out with other Muslim Americans, I read up on Muslim AMericans. I would say there are at least a couple of reasons why I think I have a right to represent a Muslim AMerican viewpoint.

"I'm an AMerican American" congratulation, you were born in this country. I'm an American by choice. I chose to be here. I think I would consider this pissing contest a tie.

"and i as an american american speaking only for myself, as i would not presume to speak for others"

Are you sure about that, I've seen some of your other, previous posts?

"think if we pull out of afghanistan now the taliban will take over again and once again give sanctuary to bin laden and other militant groups….not to mention the fact that the taliban are barbarians . how can anyone see any different out come?"

At least no more troops are dying for a country that doesn't want them there. And it isn't going to be Americans killing Afghanis, so no one can blame us anymore. And what's the difference if Bin Laden is safe in Afghanistan, or in Pakistan. The mission was to get him. SO get him. get him if he's in Pakistan and get him if he comesback to Afghanistan. But you are not goingt o get him by having large scale military operations, a CIA operation is more likely to get Bin Laden. And the Taliban are a bunch of extremists and if they come back and take over the Afghani government so what, right now they are control like 80% of teh country anyway. America and NATO are losing this war right now. How many more Americans you want dead before you want the troops back home because we are not about to win this war. At least not the one we are fighting right now. The war that we were fighting while looking for Bin LAden, that war is winable still. This war to set up a new kind of nation where Afghanistan once use to be is not winable.

Get Bin Laden, keep fighting Al Qaeda, keep fighting diplomatically for human rights, keep doing what you have to do to keep Americans as safe as possible. I, an American and a Muslim, have no problem with this mission. I, an American and a Muslim, have a problem with nation building, especially countries we have invaded.

I wrote: "They see themselves as the homeland resistance, and us, The AMericans, as the invaders."

Whose side do you think I'm on? From that statement.

Don't question my loyalties. I don't question yours.

I wrote: "They are here to serve the Muslim community, not to pamper non-Muslims who have fears about their fellow Americans".

Who acts like Muslims are separate from the rest of the AMericans? I think I was saying it wasn't the Muslim Americans, in that statement.

Read, try to understand, give it a few minutes before reacting, and then maybe read again, before you start accusing me of being a "muslim first and an american second".

Be careful, your prejudice is showing.

If you think I said something stupid, ask me about it, don't start acting like I'm some kind of a terrorist.

read my post again...i didn't say you were muslim first and american second i ASKED...that's what ? means

and again this is not what you said
I wrote: "They see themselves as the homeland resistance, and us, The AMericans, as the invaders."

this is what you said
And now, 8 years later, Bin Laden is nolonger in AFghanistan and for some reason we are still in Iraq. why would we protest against people fighting in their own country against someone they see as invaders.

so american muslims, since you speak for all of them, suppoet the taliban fighting aginst the american and nato invaders...you said it i just read it

Wait you think that since that "we" means Muslim Americans, as I stated it, that it isn't true for Americans that are not Muslims? There are non-Muslim Americans that also do not support us being invaders in another country, especially since the mission was not to nation build, it was to catch Bin Laden.

There are all kind of Americans that don't support us being there, for many reasons.

We invaded Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden, that is why I supported it. i didn't support the war on terror so that we could force lifestyle changes and cherrypick their leaders.

This was suppose to be a military war, not a cultural war. the best way to effect culture is to engage with them in trade, discussions, diplomacy, not blowing them up. That's a stupid mentality that many Americans are against. And so are Muslim Americans.

I don't support a culture war here or anywhere else in the world. I don't support the U.S. invading any other country without a good reason. I don't support any unnecessary killing. I don't support American troops dying doing something that they were not suppose to be doing.

America is here, it is not in Afghanistan, we do not have the right to make a nation in our own image. We were not invited there. We were not invited in Iraq. We have no moral right to be there anymore and I do not support it. And many other Americans don't support it either. And I'm talking about now and not 4 years ago. Four years ago I would have said we still had a moral right to be in Afghanistan, not any longer.

And I never said I spoke for all the American Muslims, I said I am one and I am part of that culture of America and that gives me some authority on the subject. I said I have a right to express my Muslim American viewpoint.

"so american muslims, since you speak for all of them, suppoet the taliban fighting aginst the american and nato invaders...you said it i just read it"

Yup I did type what you said I did, and then I explained myself better after you questioned me about it and clearly stated that I don't support anyone being killed. Did you read that? And there was a paragraph before that "8 years later" line. There's also a paragraph after that line too.

"They see themselves as the homeland resistance, and us, The AMericans, as the invaders."

I wrote that to better explain myself.

Also to clarify myself even more I wrote this:

"The American Muslims don't have a problem with you getting to bin Laden and al qaeda, but the problem is that while we are in afghanistan we are daily killing Afghani civilians. Hordes of them. And teh Taliban is killing Afghani civilians also. And obviously they are killing Americans as well, so there is no way an American Muslim would support either side.

"The American side doesn't like the dying of innocent civilians and American troops. The Muslim side doesn't like the killing of innocent civilians, by both the taliban and the Americans. And no one likes war.

"It is a tradegy for American Muslims no matter who dies and we just want it to be over."


Did you miss that completely? I am saying that the American Muslim is not supportive of the troops and innocent civilians dying. I have said Muslims don't like Muslims killing other Muslims. And obvious to chinook and me and you is that Americans don't like it when anyone kills American. I didn't think I needed to write that. I thought it was a given. And so therefore if I am claiming that American Muslims are Americans, I must also be saying that American Muslims don't like it when someone is killing Americans either.

I guess that's just my fault for not stating the obvious.

"American Muslim is not supportive of the troops"

that is where you differ greatly from american americans...we support our troops no matter what..they are our sons and daughters

my prejudice is showing?
don't you know i am a fat, stupid, lazy, racist angry mob?

oh and i smoke too!!!!!!!!

and one more thing, while i am still pissed off....

""I'm an AMerican American" congratulation, you were born in this country. I'm an American by choice. I chose to be here. I think I would consider this pissing contest a tie."

so it is ok for you to run around calling yourself a muslim american but i can not say i am an american american?

this is really retarded. Muslim American was the term used by Chinook to describe Americans that are Muslims, I used it to talk about what chinook was talking about.

Let's say chinook was talking about black Americans. shoudl I then not talk about black Americans cause you will get insulted because I am talking about them as if separating them from the rest of the American population. The topic was about American Muslims.

Take you hate goggles off.

What the hell am I suppose to write when talking about the AMerican population that is Muslim. Should I call them rag heads? Camel jockeys?

the effin topic is about Muslim Americans, what the hell is wrong with you? It's as if I want to talk about the holocaust but am not allowed to talk about the Polish population that was persecuted, I have to talk about all of the people that died.

Seriously what the hell is your problem?

Your prejudice is glowing now.

but you got angry when i said i am an american american....you are the one that is prejudice

my only prejudice is toward stupidity

Oh and the main topic of this article is BS anyway, I was trying to not say anything. Obama was not there. Obama was not at the Muslim prayer. Go read something besides conservative hate media.

You want American Muslims to come out and tell you how much they love America chinook and lecia and all you other closed minded conservatives, the purpose for the Prayer at the Capitol was to show Muslim American's loyalty to this nation.

It wasn't a protest, it was a prayer. A prayer where the person leading the prayer said "hateful" things like "We love America" "this is our country" and things of that sort.

I didn't want to go negative here, but now that I have...half of this article is a lie.

Do some more reading on the prayer at the Capitol. Obama wasn't there, so he didn't pray with them. Obama isn't a Muslim. And Muslims have come out and publically shown their alligence on many different occasions. The media just couldn't care less. And neither could you guys, who have already made up your mind that we're all not trust worthy.

The only ones claiming Obama was there is the lying @$$ conservative hate media that you all prescribe to. The reason no one cover Obama at the Muslim prayer is not because there is some crazy conspiracy against Christian, it was because Obama was not there. It was Friday, the whole UN, G20, Iran Nuclear plant, stuff was going on. he was busy elsewhere, wasn't even in D.C.

Sept 25, Friday. That is when the prayer took place. Look up where Obama was during that day. He was either in New York, Pittsburgh, or somewhere in europe.

So just in case you don't think I was representing a view that is similar to that of the rest of the Muslim Americans, find out what the leader of the prayer was talking about in the prayer, I'm sure you will hear at a few echoes.

Relax my friend. My article has nothing do with the march onto Washington. I have a problem that the President endorses Ramadan..See this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfUZCul_gCM
and ignores a tradition in the White House since 1952. It is what it is. He is sending a wrong message. Elections have consequences for now in this country and at the rate Obama is going, he is not getting my vote again. I am sorry my article offended you but considering you are Muslim I am not surprise. Doesn't the QURAN say I must die now? I am sure I read that somewhere but I am not going to quote it. This subject is closed. Thanks for reading and peace.
PS: I do not hate you.

Your article talks about the walk on the capitol, only you called it white house by mistake:

"Fast forward to this past week, Muslims march to Washington for a day of prayer at the White House. According to http://www.islamoncapitolhill.com/, September 25, 2009 marks the Muslim Day of Prayer at the White House."

Even has the link to the prayer at the capitol link.

And no the Quran doesn't say you have to die. I really hope you were joking and trying to lighten the mood.

I watched the video you gave the link for, I don't see where the President is suppose to have been praying with the Muslims.

And I would hardly call it endorsing Ramadan. Recognizing it maybe but endorsing it, I would disagree. What he is doing is making a group of people treated horribly by the previous administration feel like things have changed.


"George W. Bush made a point of holding events on the National Day of Prayer in each year of his presidency. However, Bill Clinton did not hold any such events during his time in office, and George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan each hosted special events for the day only once during their respective administrations" from wikipedia.

Also from wikipedia:

"The National Prayer Committee created a non-governmental organization called The National Day of Prayer Task Force, with the intended purpose of coordinating events specifically for evangelical Christians for the National Day of Prayer. Based in Colorado Springs, Colorado, they work out of facilities from Focus on the Family, a Christian organization. Shirley Dobson (wife of Focus on the Family founder James Dobson) is currently at the head of the Task Force.

"The Task force's website says in their FAQ section: "Americans of all faiths are encouraged to participate in the [National Day of Prayer] according to their own traditions. However, the [National Day of Prayer] Task Force provides promotional materials and sponsors several events in keeping with the Judeo-Christian tradition".

"The 2008 application requires giving statement affirming Biblical Inerrancy, and requires voluteers "commit that NDP activities I serve with will be conducted solely by Christians". A previous application for volunteer coordinators with the Task Force lists the following as a primary qualification, "Commitment to Christ. A volunteer must be an evangelical Christian who has a personal relationship with Christ. I acknowledge that I am working for the Lord Jesus Christ and the furthering of His Work on earth and agree to perform my work with the highest standard of Christian faith.""


Can you see why Obama and Clinton would chose to not participate? The national day of prayer, that was suppose to be for people of all faiths has been turned into something just for people of Christians. No problem for you, big problem for others.

Imagine if all the Christians references were changed to Muslim references and oaths, how would you feel?

Let's try it:

Commitment to Islam. A volunteer must be a Muslim who has a personal relationship with Allah. I acknowledge that I am working for the The Most Highest and the furthering of His Work on earth and agree to perform my work with the highest standard of Islam.

I like it! How about you?

If Obama prays with you, he has to pray with, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Satanists and whatever other religion is around. And then he would need to recognize the atheist in some manner as well.

National Day of Prayer...great idea, until The National Day of Prayer Task Force ruined it.

the point being he should either recognizes ALL religions day of prayer or NONE of them

The more I read my article, I am realizing some grammarical errors. So amalgam80, I agree I used "white house" by mistake. Yes, the killing reference was a joke to lighten the mood. I do not want my readers to be frustrated. We can agree to disagree but let's keep the name calling to the school kids.

I understand your frustration with your religion not being embraced in your country, America. However, you have to look at my perspective and many other Americans.
Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention.

It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society. Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of scripture for the people of this nation.

Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death." But in current textbooks the context of these words is deleted. Here is what he actually said:

"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks. Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."

Notice that last sentence in that quote? I do not want to debate whose relgion is right or wrong, that is not the issue but this country was formed on Christian beliefs and even though this comment will offend non Christians, it is what it is. As a American, I welcome all walks of life but I find it frustrating our laws are being changed and everyone is yelling what about me? Obama apologizes to the world about America but never tells the good we do. His problem he is too busy trying to please everyone and needs to be firm in his positions. Yes, not all administrations gave NPD the recognition but in these times, his timing was poor. During his campaign, he critized McCain for not respecting his holiday of Ramadan then the reporter corrected him and Obama said I mean "Christian". Is he Muslim, who knows but that slip makes me wonder but noone took that story and ran with it. You cannot disagree with Obama, if you do, you are a racist, didn't you know that? So even though I disagree with his policies and how he is handling himself, I am a racist by their defination. Obama has a lot on his plate and I want him to stop apologizing to the world, weakening our defenses and make me feel like I am an immigrant in my own country. I hope I made this clear but if not, we can agree to disagree and part our ways shaking our heads at each other's comments. This is not the Hope and Change I thought I was getting with my vote and wished I voted for McCain.

Chinook: I'm sorry I lost my cool here.

I understand the reading of history that you are talking about. The country may have been founded by religious Christians, but the Constitution still gives everyone the freedom of religion.

I know that the founders were white Christian males, for the most part, and even though they believed in freedom and equality, still didn't allow women to vote and kept slaves. THe hypocracy of man knows no limit.

So yes founders were Christians but they argued constantly about how much "God" should be in government, and what freedom of religion means. That argument continues till today. Which I have no problem with, if you couldn't tell, I like the going back and forth sharing ideas and points of views.

The give me liberty or give me death, there are a few reasons parents and book pickers would want out of the text book, one of which is pretty obvious to me and that is the ability of those words to be used by terrorists themselves. Wouldn't it be crazy is some domestic terrorist used that word to kill the President, or blow up a federal building or whatever. But I don't think that may be the reason for taking those words out of the text books, if they are even out of text books to begin with. Many textbook claimed that Patrick Henry came up with those words, he was the first one to say it, which is untrue, he was just the most famous AMerican to use the words. The phrase was very popular in Europe before hand and was wrongfully associated with Henry as the creator of the phrase. But in reading your comment I don't think you wwere getting at that. You were talking about Henry's use of the word God.

All or most of the AMerican leaders still talk about God. every President has used the words God bless America. There's nothing wrong with it. But is a President comes up (in a public address, not in private) and says Jesus or Christ bless America, then there is something wrong with it.

You questioned whether Obama was Christian as if you weren't sure. The man sat in church of a radical Christian for twenty odd years. He got married in a Church. His children are baptised. He celebrates Christmas and Easter. He openly drinks alcohol. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama is not a Muslim.

Slip of the tongue don't really mean too much. Obama also said there were 57 states once by mistake. I know he doesn't really think there are 57 states.

As far as apologizing, a change in policy is not apologizing. In fact Obama has stood in front of the UN, a symbol of the world, and said he will not apologize for what was done in the interest of his nation.

He stopped torture and made it public so that people, like me, who did not support torture are informed that it has stopped.

He's trying to un-detain prisoners that have no case against them, were either picked up by mistake or were turned in by corrupt Taliban for cash. lol, that's kind of redundent "corrupt Taliban".

The fact that he scrapped a missile project that would take years more to setup and be less effective and replaced it it a project that will be operational sooner and be more effective is no a sign of weakness, it is a sign of intelligence and strength.


lecia: you wrote "the point being he should either recognizes ALL religions day of prayer or NONE of them"

That's exactly my point. He didn't get rid of the National Day of Prayer. He didn't participate in the function that the Christian organization puts on, for the National Day of Prayer. NDP is meant for all religons to pray, not just Christians, so he did no wrong there.

He did say no I won't pray with you Christians and then go next door and pray with the Muslims. He didn't pray with anyone.

That is what I was trying to say. The NPD is a reconginiton of all the religions of the U.S. and is still intact.

amalgam80. There is so much in your statements I want to comment on but I will keep it short. Obama does not have enough experience to run this country and it is showing not just to Americans but to the world and most importantly the terrorists, domestic and foreign. I can go on forever but I am just tried now. I suppose it does not matter what you or I think about Obama, history will judge him in the end. But as far as your last comments, I find many of it well written comments but with flawed conclusions. I have been called a terrorist by Homeland Security's defination and a racist by friends when I disagree with Obama. You just do not like blacks, I have been told, so that is why I wrote a few political articles just to vent some frustration. Didn't Hilary Clinton say this during the Bush admninistration?

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration that somehow you're not patriotic. And we should stand up and say 'We are Americans and we have a right to disagree with any administration.'"

Apparently, that does not apply to the Obama Administration, you can not say anything about him, if someone trys to say something, it is the race card. So in respect, let me end by saying..

Let's agree to disagree.