Palin now an idiot in Asia too

At least she isn't groveling and apologizing for us at the UN, in the Middle East and elsewhere, as is our illustrious President.

haha mike very true

indid very true

What bothers me the most about Palin has nothing to do with the fact she is conservative. It's her utterly phony folksiness. Oh yeah, and the fact she isn't very bright.

She makes George W. look like Einstein.

Palin is no Conservative and again Mike you misuse the term. She is conservative in gun rights, that's about it. She was conservative on foreign policy and non-agressive wars, until her selection as V.P. candidate, and then after the AIPAC lobby got through with her, she had the same positions as Bill Clinton, so I doubt you in all your great misdefinitions even would label Clinton a conservative with respect to our Constitution. Since he also was another believing in Middle East meddling.

So you again just show how partisan and what a propaganda spinner you truly are, and I had asked, what news organization did you formerly work for?

Sarah Palin is like a bad case of Herpes. She just won't go away. Ha, ha. And people think she actually has a shot at securing the Republican nomination for president in 2012. I feel bad for Republicans, because although our philosophies on life are different, I don't think most Republicans are mindless idiots. I feel bad for any Republican that feels a need to come to her defense or just has to tolerate her out there shooting off her mouth and making the political party look bad. And poor John Mccain. I think part of his loss in the election is attributed to her. He should have chosen Joe Liberman as his running mate. That would have proven his Maverikyness. He would have had a better chance at winning. I would have considered voting for him, briefly, but it would have been considered. But I know lifetime Republicans who threw their vote away rather than cast it for that pair. When Mccain was asked about Palin's comments on the Death Panel's, I saw him physically cringe. He's embarrassed by her and his senile decision to choose her. I mean who is she really politically? The first time I ever heard of her was when they announced her as his running mate. She is desperately clinging to that to try to keep her name in the spotlight. She is a pathetic individual.

And did she really mention Main Street in Hong Kong? Do they even have a Main Street? It's tragically hilarious.

I have to agree. I think she's dumber than Bush.

Why is she speaking in Hong Kong? She is not even in the government anymore.

she got paid to speak...that is her job at the moment. she gets paid to talk publically. people have estimated she was paid about $250,000 to $300,000 for the speech.

Nice, Not a bad salary for a couple hours work, and an international flight.

haha mike very true.

haha mike very true

Bleh.

CAMike, what the HECK was that woman talking about?

I have to admit I was delighted to jump onto the Palin-bashing bandwagon last year. I was delighted to see the title to this story tonight and opened it right away, expecting a good giggle.

But now I am just numb. Has she had a brain seizure or something?

birdpond,

Here are the factual excerpts from her speech. Mike is hoping that everyone takes his word as the Gospel. Mkie is being dishonest. I went through the entire text os speech and none of what Mike writes is part of it.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/23/excerpts-of-sarah-palins-speech-to-investors-in-hong-kong/

Red,

I followed that link... It says "Excerpts of Sarah Palin's Speech to Investors in Hong Kong."

Do you have a link to the Entire Text of the speech, since that's what you read? Or just these exceprts?

If I were being dishonest, I would apologize. I would never make up excerpts just to make someone look bad.

If I did, I would certainly have her give another shoutout to those third graders (now fourth graders) in Alaska. That was clearly her low point as a candidate.

Except for maybe those slutty winks.

Mike,

I went through the full text of speech and I did not see one of the excerpts you list on your report. This sounds like something you put together to continue to incite hatred for this woman. i think you may be a little jealous that she is making 6 figures everytime she speaks.

I will give you one good excerpt that I know was in the speech:

On Liberalism:

The opposite of a common-sense conservative is a liberalism that holds that there is no human problem that government can’t fix if only the right people are put in charge. Unfortunately, history and common sense are not on its side. We don’t trust utopian promises; we deal with human nature as it is.

Redhanded, I know I am jealous of Mike for making so much views and money for short articles...I can't hold a candle with my long articles that take ions to create....ASHER KADE VIA MOBILE

These excerpts came from the Wall Street Journal.

Why would I be jealous? A lot of people make more money than I do, and I'm not jealous of them.

That explains it. Since Murdoch owns the Wall Street Journal now, and if there ever was a "liberal" it is Murdoch.

He has assimilated, and believes that the U.S. definition of Conservative is the same as the British one - that the monarch or larger government rules. The British don't like much not being in control of the universe, and as I recall didn't the British send all their criminals at one point to Australia?

And the Wall Street Journal is one of the biggest spinners on the economy there ever was since it is also drivel with little truth insofar as Wall Street is concerned. Not about what really goes on, and the propaganda it uses also in order to influence the public and market is now quite literally obvious.

So I would state maybe Mr. Murdoch has an ax to grind with Ms. Palin, since she and McCain had a falling out - and McCain also is a liberal globalist in most of his positions, especially with the open borders and illegal immigrant issue, and isn't a representative of his Arizona constituents on that issue, since they already have spoken loud and clear at the ballot box so the evidence in that respect is a little hard to ignore.

And if both of them are so pro-American defense, just why are they firm believers then in open borders, while their fellow Americans are losing their lives, homes and property on a daily basis due to that federal negligence.

Although, of course, Arizona doesn't have as many electoral votes as the Golden State, who got their fencing in the 90's, and yet still fight their fellow Americans that would like the same measures taken in all those other vulnerable states.

It must be the sun in California reflecting off that water. Since even those that live in the desert aren't delusional and live in the self-created dreamworld California obvious has become.

And it's "scripts" are getting more and more unbelieveable each and every day. Must also be all those global foreigners that have replaced all the Americans that once lived there.

Mike, here's a link to the excerpts posted in the Wall Street Journal... none of the phrases listed above are there..??

What's up with that?
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/23/excerpts-of-sarah-palins-speech-to-investors-in-hong-kong/

try this link http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/23/palins-bridge-to-hong-kong/

ladym33,

She's an American citizen, and can speak anywhere they ask her to do so...

Absolutly true !

That's the other article, Mike got his quote from this one...also from WSJ

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/23/palins-bridge-to-hong-kong/

Thank! I was wondering about that...

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palin is hott

It's working! She has the majority fooled! She has all of you guys thinking she's some sort of illiterate hick from the north.

Just wait, she's not found her gloves yet, but when she does, she'll be more formidible than anyone can imagine.

No, I do not praise her, but I certainly do understand her. She talks like most normal women of average to above average intelligence who have grown up in the world of men who think women are stupid. I've been there, done that, and I know what she's doing.

She's not ready, but she will be. And no, she's not dumber than GW Bush, however, Bush was not dumb, either. Underestimating the "enemy" is the first mistake.

I agree completely... time will certainly tell..

nothing she does is surprising anymore

Mike, the title to your article says it all.

Many people interviewed on the streets of China had never heard of Sarah Palin, and most attendees weren't impressed, saying they were "bored" by her speech.

For Palin, how the mighty have fallen since her adoration during the McCain campaign. For her to endure such a tepid response from a foreign audience in another country must have been a personal blow. But I'm sure her ego will be comforted by the big paycheck.

How desperate is the Republican Party to even consider Sarah Palin for their presidential candidate in 2012?

She seems to be trying to re-establish her credibility ahead of a possible (unfortunate) presidential run in 2012.
Still, I wonder how much of her speech was not scripted.

I doubt many people interviewed on the streets of China would recognize Joe Biden either...

Firesisle,

I disagree. Biden is the Vice President of the U.S. Unfortunately, I think more Chinese people would recognize him than Americans would. Palin is the former Governor of Alaska that resigned due to corruption charges. She has no place in the international sphere. However, she is entitled to speak wherever she wants. I just think she's obnoxious and is hanging on for dear life for her 15 minutes of fame.

How do you expect her to "go away" if you keep talking about her? You completely contradicted yourself by writing this article. It's like frequently ordering pizza and saying the delivery guy should go away. If you want him to go away, stop ordering pizza.

How desperate is the Republican Party to even consider Sarah Palin for their presidential candidate in 2012? i mean cmoon

yes you right

Actually, I believe it is the Democratic party that is considering Sarah Palin for the nomination....for the RNC nomination. Or, more likely - praying.

There are a few people who would like to see Sarah Palin (and she is not as stupid as you all make her out to be) but I don't think she's secured any RNC nomination yet... I'm pretty darn sure of that. Nor, do I think she will but I commend her stamina to put up with all the liberal BS she gets throw at her every time she speaks...

She is raking in an enormous amount of dough speaking, so why shouldn't she?...Other than you complete disagreement in what she said? I have to tell you though - not all do - which is why she still keeps getting the speaking engagments....and is still in the limelight for you to blast. She's got way more stamina, and isn't backing down to liberal critics.

I doubt she'll get the nomination, but I do not doubt that a lot of what she says is getting through to her audience.

That's because she rarely has much to say. Most of it is incomprehensible or unintelligible. The rest is trite and pernicious or condescending; she is talking to the best financial minds in the world after all and I'm sure they know the reasons for the collapse better than she does; they just weren't buying it.

I don't know if I'd go that far Changez. She often raises some good points and if you don't agree that's fine - but she is hardly incomprehensible.

what can you expect from a model?

That's sexist. Are you saying anyone pretty is dumb?

woooooow really ??

woooooooooooooooow really???
i love it so much :D :D :D :D

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She needs to stay around just from the simple fact that the majority of people do not want her to stay around. Usually, the mediocre masses are incorrect. Anyway, it would be a bonus for her to stick around in the political arena just for the pure entertainment value. Building a bridge to Asia would really be the "Bridge to Nowhere." Asia has had the highest population of any continent for centuries, yet they cannot even figure out how to become more of a world power. They outnumber everyone but have lacked the organization and the unity to accomplish anything in the world.

Typical reaction from the illiterate wing of the liberal party led by the Eva Braun of Allvoices.

I would surmise that many of the respondents here have IQ's lower than their age and and if their life depended on it, could probably not name the Vice President.

As to anyone that is married, has a daughter, a sister, a grandmother - I would think that calling another woman "dumb" says a lot about your manhood.

You can all at least take the time to thank her for having a son that serves in our military to ensure that each and everyone one of you maintains the freedoms that so many others wish they had. I am just curioius to know how many of these respondents would ever dare say a bad word about the current First Lady...She of the "Proud to be an American for the First Time" attitude.

Get used to her, because she is not going away anytime soon.

Redhanded101, I can't comprehend why you feel you have to resort to disrespectful slurs to make your "points." Calling people illiterate, unintelligent, and questioning their manhood just reflects back negatively on you, with your arms crossed spewing mean-spirited rhetoric and showing others that you can't conduct an adult conversation.
- jongleur

Don't single me out. Look at the hate from Liberals especially Delilah.

Look at the Author who started out the report with the word "Idiot"

If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
This is no place bedwetters.

I think she's dumb and I'm a woman. What do you say to that? Don't pull the gender card Red. HHAAAAAAAAAAA! I had to say it. Stop attacking all the liberals as usual Red and stick to the subject. Her son serving in the military has nothing to do with her stupidity and irrelevance in the political sphere. And look around, you are already free. The only thing threatening that right now is the Patriot Act. But keep up the act, deflect, deflect, deflect. Bring up something the first lady said last year and defend the moron Palin just because she hails from the same political party. So sad. She'll go away eventually. Her time is almost up.

not god :\

JOSEPH ROBINETTE BIDEN JR: BORN 1942
FIRST DELAWAREAN AND ROMAN CATHOLIC VP OF THE US.
(I win because I USED CAPS LOCK).

Wow dude, that is some tirade; Her son doesn't defend my freedoms btw, so I don't have to thank her. I feel I have the right to comment on her comments about the financial crisis or anything else same as anyone. If she has views I disagree with that is just as well, but if she insists on being foolish and trying to peddle a line to people who patently know more about a subject than her, while making off colour remarks (please read the excerpts closely) then she will be ridiculed.

On a note I know mike isn't lying here because I read the same quotes in an article by Fisk in the Independent.

c,

It's fine to disagree with policy issues but this is not the case here. This is just another Hate Palin Feeding Frenzy.
The Title of the report was meant to attract that illiterate low IQ wing of the Liberal party. This is not about her policies, this is about hatred. This coming from the party that always trues to preach that they are the party of compassion and fairness and so on and so on...

Chex

A week ago you were all up in arms about the way people were comporting themselves and carrying about opposition to Obama.

Today you, are doing the saem thing you accuse Conservatives of doing. You can't have both ways.
As I said before and I'll say again, Libs Are Angry people.

You can be a Poster boy or girl for the cause

OMG! Foreal? What policy issues do we have to disagree with Palin on? She was the governor of Alaska. Anyone here live in Alaska? On the contrary, I disagree with the policies she planned to enact as Vice Pres and I still think she's an idiot and she allowed herself to be used as a political pawn to garner more votes. Too bad that backfired on Mccain. If it's an act, she deserves an acadamey award.

More questions for you Red...This is about Hate, but opposition to Obama isn't about that at all? Only this is about hatred and not policies? I see you like to pull the hate card when it best suits you, but you wrote a whole blog telling people to stop bringing up the race issue. You are such a hipocrite.

Mike, you need to check your facts, about our politicans going outside our boundries, for one it was your elected president that did exactly what your talking about to the muslim nations(oh how we tend to forget)and the other you sound just like your socialist government, isn't CAPTIOLISM great. Thats right your waiting on your next government check to arrive in the mail. Also do your own fact checking instead of relying on wall street journel, washington post, LA times they are jokes.

You completely misunderstood the tradition. Of course the president can speak outside the country in that way; the tradition is that the president is the one who speaks for the country.

Also, calling him "your" elected president sort of gives away where you're coming from.

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i mean how could they ???

How do you expect her to "go away" if you keep talking about her? You completely contradicted yourself by writing this article. It's like frequently ordering pizza and saying the delivery guy should go away. If you want him to go away, stop ordering pizza.

nice adam i liked it..

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=/ This was interesting

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Chex,

Blah, Blah , Blah,

The first Lady wouldn't know how to spell Patriotism if it was in Bold letters.

You insult Sarah palin when you mention the First Lady in the same sentence with hers

hmmmm

That's it, you can tell the liberal left on here. When you write something they disagree with they start getting angry and calling you names. You poor, poor little libs want to take their ball and go home.
Hey red don't you know you can't be against obama or you will be labeled a RACIST, which most of the socialist on here couldn't tell you the true meaning of the fake word.

Pollard,

It's funny how Liberals claim to be the party of compassion. Yet they always attack the oppostion when it's not in line with their own warped view of the world.

This entire administration has made the fringe looney fashionable again and has brought out closet Libs by the droves.
It is a feeling akin to the "Cantina Scene" in Star Wars where kooks galore rule the day.
Instead of providing much needed leadership, the Obama administration has engendered a sense of recklessness and a "I can get away with it mentality now that Obama is President" kind of attitude.
It is the ACORN Attitude, it is our teachers indoctrinating our children with "Praise Obama Songs", It is the Van Jones crowd, it is the hate America mantra, and rights for terrorists crowd.

This administration has become a laughing stock and in the process reached new heights in ineptitude.

But this is typical of all Liberal Administrations.

Ha, ha, you and Pollard should start a blog about why you hate liberals so much. Who can't see past their own hatred? And you criticize the people in this blog for being hate filled? You are a joke.

I'll join Red and Pollard because CHEXMIX - you speak the same accusations you throw. There is no discussion with you... if you don't like something - the other person is a hypocrite. Nice.

Chexmex,

I don't hate Liberals, I just abhor the Socialist agenda. Listen, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. No bedwetters allowed in this thread.

I particularly enjoyed her personal blessing on Hong Kong.

yes it is

You are right on the mark Red. These bed wetting liberals want to rule the world. I say go some where else and leave America alone. And take obama with you!

As far as not criticizing our government, our government is not our country in any manner whatsoever. Nor is our government under these two jokes of a political party a "legal" one to begin with under our Constitution.

Since you can't have a representative government, when they are nothing more than misrepresentatives, and have abandoned all form of the true Law in this country under its existing founding legal documents.

Nor can you claim to be a representative, when you gained your office by illegal campaign contributions. And if any of them took contributions from outside their legislative districts, including from their "corporate" political party, then they are not the "representatives" the founders were referring to in the slightest.

And thus are all pretenders actually.

And since Obama's lawful citzenship is truly questionable, given the founders intent with respect to "natural" citizen in their definition, I think that this has all been a scam by the bankers.

What better way than to place a "legal" Brit in office (since Kenya was a British territory also) as the ultimate way to desecrate those founders. Two hundred years actually is not that long for those in power in that government to hold a grudge.

Not by half.

Since, of course, "progressively" they have lost far more British citizens to this country, than any in this country have renounced their U.S. citizenship to become British citizens. Except for Madonna, of course, and we all know how much Madonna really makes sure she doesn't make any political statements that might be construed as derogatory to this country, given her "globalist" views also.

Red,

You are small minded. You hate liberals, simply because they don't agree with you. Try not being so one dimensional. You are a Republican caricature and you give Repubs a bad name. Again, you pull from the old playbook of attacking patriotism. One could say the same thing about Palin criticizing our government abroad if they were as narrow minded as you. Didn't you write a blog last week attacking liberals for calling protestors against Obama unpatriotic? Try making your arguments CONSISTENT and then I'll take you seriously. Until then, you make yourself look more like an ASS for defending Palin.

PAtriotism... This week in Massachusetts the legislature threw out a law that they passed with Ted Kennedy's support in 2004 that took away Romney's ability to appoint an interrim senator in the even Kerry won the election.
The beloved Ted Kennedy was the man behind it all. Now they reverse the law on his death to fill his seat. Doesn't matter he wasn't voting on 98% of the bills up to his death OR that he didn't request this law be reversed a YEAR ago ...and waited until 2 weeks before he died...OBAMA wants his 60 votes so he told Patrick to throw THE Constitution to the wolves and the law was changed to suit a liberal and a liberal state...

This State threw the constitution out the window. Patrick OVERRIDES the legislature and appoints an interrim senator despite the law of the State that a 90 day waiting period applies.

You want to talk consistancy? Obama gets what Obama wants. There is no joking about that and people are PISSED. You can defend him all you want - but he's not Patriotic in the least. AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA.

I won't even get into Obama "suggestion" to NY's governor to not run again.

Write4Life,

"You want to talk consistancy? Obama gets what Obama wants. There is no joking about that and people are PISSED. You can defend him all you want - but he's not Patriotic in the least. AGENDA AGENDA AGENDA."

Was this post just for me? I don't know what Obama throwing out this law has to do with Red's flip flopping. I don't defend Obama. I said some of the opposition is about race. I don't know how that statement translated to me defending his patriotism. I'm simply tired of people like Red saying democrats calling Republican protestors unpatriotic is wrong and then turning around and saying the same thing to democrats. It's hypocritical. I don't know what else you are talking about here. It's like you've gone off on a tangent to support your buddy who in another blog assumed black people voted for Democrats to keep their entitlements like welfare. Do you agree with that? Careful who you defend, mama. I'll send you an email with the link so you can read the entire blog. I don't recall you chiming in on that. I think Red is nothing but a bigot, and EVERY blog he's commented on has made some generalized comment about liberals. Now if liberals were to generalize all conservatives as backwards hicks who hate minorities that would be wrong.

Sarah Pallin is just like Ted Kennedy that idiot is dead yet he's still haunting our political system. I wish she would go away.

You Libs enjoy using that word "Idiot".

Just relax. You will have plenty of air time in 2012 when she is your President.

Red,

"Just relax. You will have plenty of air time in 2012 when she is your President. "

I'll bet you money that won't happen. I don't think Palin is relevant enough to even still be around as hard as she tries.

i agree

I agree too... That's really speechless

cool

Who are all of these phantom contributors that have all mysteriously chimed in?

I wonder if this is Robert Gibbs?

I am not a phantom, just can't log into my Asher Kade main ID at work (Facebook blocked) :( so I comment this way to divert the issue. I still am jealous I work my ass off with my articles and get paltry readings despite the work. I guess I need to write short articles about politics next time...ASHER KADE VIA MOBILE

Asher - you crack me up - I read your articles and they are excellent..MA

thanks write4life....I just need more views now....

thanks write4life....I just need more views now....

Red,

"A week ago you were all up in arms about the way people were comporting themselves and carrying about opposition to Obama. Today you, are doing the saem thing you accuse Conservatives of doing. You can't have both ways."


A week ago, I commented on a blog where you and others crticized Jimmy Carter for his comments. Did you write that one? I said SOME of it is about race and hatred. I don't agree with everything Obama does and I am not a liberal. I have said that from jump. When you try to put words in Jimmy Carters mouth and all non Republicans who you deem to all be liberals and claim that people are saying it's ALL about race, you are being a jack ass. I haven't heard anyone say that it's all about race at all. But you try to deny that any of it is about race. I don't know if you are naive or just stupid. If you're gonna try to call me out, get your facts straight Red. And don't think you can work me up in a tizzy and get me to forget the question I posed to you. You do that a lot. Don't answer my questions, just attack me. I have STILL pointed out that you are a hypocrite, still uncontested. It's ok for Repubs to pull the 'unpatriotic' card and the 'hate' card, but when people do so from the other side of the isle, it's wrong. I see you are up to your normal PROJECTION.

"As I said before and I'll say again, Libs Are Angry people."

No you're the angry one. I'm willing to put down money that you say how much you dislike liberals in EVERY blog you post in. You are angry cause the Republicans lost. I know you like to listen to Larry Elder. I once heard him say on his radio show in response to Bush Critics, that we should support Bush because he is our president. Dare I turn the tables and tell Republicans to do the same thing. Oh snap, I'm fanning the fires!

Pollard,

"You are right on the mark Red. These bed wetting liberals want to rule the world. I say go some where else and leave America alone. And take obama with you!"

Yes. Obama should go back to Africa!

You can go to Canada or Mexico for all I care, but I would suggest a true communist,socialist or marxist state so you would be welcomed as hero's comarade obama, pelosi, reid

RED,

"I don't hate Liberals, I just abhor the Socialist agenda. Listen, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. No bedwetters allowed in this thread. "

It sounds like you hate liberals to me. Oh, and now you conflate liberals with Socialists. Don't worry you don't hurt my feelings, so bring it on. So why do you hate Socialists so much?

Write4Life,

"I'll join Red and Pollard because CHEXMIX - you speak the same accusations you throw. There is no discussion with you... if you don't like something - the other person is a hypocrite. Nice."

Are we not having a discussion? You disagree with me. I could care less. I'm still entitled to express my opinion. And it's ok for Red to call everyone who disagrees with him in the thread illiterate, but I can't call him a hypocrite when I find that he's made contradictory statements. Next time, talk about what you know, instead of rushing to defend your Republican brother. I will send you those links. I think you might change your mind here.

Pollard,

"You can go to Canada or Mexico for all I care, but I would suggest a true communist,socialist or marxist state so you would be welcomed as hero's comarade obama, pelosi, reid"

I think my comment went right over your head. Why should I go to a communist, socialist, or marxist state? Is it because I said Palin is a dumb ass or is it because I said some of the opposition to Obama is about race? I'm still wondering how that makes me a Socialist. I think you like to throw out those insults to people you deem liberals. Is that correct? Is that the best you've got because that argument has no basis. How much do you know about me?

Thanks for the article Mike but I could have lived without hearing Sarah Palins' name again! What is she trying to prove to China? She made herself look bad to Americans as John McCains' Presidential running mate and now she wants to embarrass herself around the world? If she wants to make herself look bad than she shouldn't criticize her own government in order to do that. I feel like she isn't even a elected official any more so what credibility can she really have now? How do they present her before she comes out on stage? I think this is the wrong move for Palin. If she wants to be elected as a govener again, state Senaor, or a Representitive the best thing she can do is learn as much as she can to improve her knowledge of the world and the U.S.

She obviously wants to improve her image after the running with McCain because lets all face it she embarrassed herself and ruined the chances of McCain winning the Presidency. The Republican party should of been ashamed at being so sexist last year. We know the Republican party is male dominated! I don't believe people can forget how she was used to get female votes, she was criticized by people because of her inexperience in foreign policy, and now she wants to tell China how to run a country? I have so many question but I don't think there are any answers as to why Sara Palin keeps putting herself in the public eye. She only going to hurt her own chances in the future.

Melissa,

In short, any publicity is good publicity. I don't believe that but I think Palin does. I think she's trying to remain relevant, and that's why she keeps putting herself in the public eye.

Chexmix

See that's the point red, write4life and myself have been trying to get you to understand. Your statements are so far left even the socialist don't want you. Your view point is so narrow, it's the only one you understand. While folks such as you make fun of and put down good people who truly care about this nation that bleed red,white and blue your president is pushing this what can you do for me mentality down our throats or better yet, HEY they got money let's take it. If you do not care for the moniker SOCIALIST then how about I call you what you really are! A stinking COMMUNIST

Pollard,

I asked a pretty direct question. What would have you think I'm a socialist? I haven't said anything far left at all in this blog. I asked whether it's because I think Palin is an idiot or because I think some of Obama's criticism is about his race. Well, I guess you've redefined far left. You are only making generalized statements about me with no basis. So here's a challenge. Go through this blog and point out my communist statements and then I'll listen to you. Until then you are just some fundamentalist wack job that likes to throw out insults to people you hardly know. What's up with that Write4Life? Is that warranted at all? Well this only reinforces my belief that you simply dislike liberals. Their all stinking Communists. You should write a blog about that Pollard.

What do you mean what's up with me? Lost me there...

W4L,

I want to know what you think about Pollards inflammatory speech.You said you were with Pollard and Red because I resort to calling names when people disagree with me. So what about Pollard? Do I seem like a Commie to you?

Pollard,

You are the one that the Republicans don't want in their party! You are very narrow minded because you don't believe anyone should have an opinion different from yours! Anyone can have an opinion about Sarah Palin. she puts herself out there in the public and everyone has the right to say what ever they want! I can't believe you are actually defending Sarah Palin when most respected Republicans run away after hearing her name. You calling out some like you have right now is the exact reason why this country is so divided and I a sure Red and Write4life don't want you in their group either. You are beyond "stinking" Capitalism!

Actually, I don't like Palin all that much... Although I
1. do NOT think she's stupid
2. I think some of what she says is completely true
3. I think some of what she says is wrong
4. Think she ..just like me...and just like everyone else - can say whatever the heck she wants - She's not asking you to agree - she's giving her opinion which in turn gives you the right to give your opinion back AND...
4. I don't think she'll run on the ticket....but I sure do hope John Kasich does.

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Send me the link -

However, as far as Red - read a few of the liberals on the site - they are identicle and are saying the same thing...opposite side or me for that matter- I am totally opposed to Obama's agenda too.

Karl Rove was 100% correct when he said OBama would divide this nation. Hate him or love him - OBama has completely done this in less than a year.

There are two clear and distinct sides now - no mix, no compromise. Not even George Bush did this.

As for what I wrote - it wasn't directed at you - just the comment on Patriotism - and yup, it was a tangent....sorry... felt like the time to throw that in.

I'm working on the link for you.

As far as Red and Pollard, I have not heard some of the equally outrageous things from the other side, but maybe I'm in different blogs than you are in. But two wrongs don't make a right. It's not an excuse for his actions. I called him a hypocrite, but not blindly. I think I very much explained why I see him as a hypocrite and it is not because he disagrees with me, that's for sure. I don't know why he called all the liberals in the blog illiterate besides what I see as his hatred for liberals.

As far as Karl Rove, I don't trust or believe any spin that comes out of his mouth. I don't agree with him on anything I've heard him say. He is like an evil genius, because he is a spin machine and damn good at it. If Democrats had someone like him on their side, they'd be a force to reckon with. I think he's confused cause with effect or rather misdiagnosed the cause of the problem. Yes, the country is polarized. Is that because of what policies Obama has enacted, or is it because of something else? I don't think this polarization was Obama's doing. I think it's an extremely far right that says things like he's African, possibly the anti-Christ, and Hawaii isn't a state, and where's the birth certificate, and he's a terrorist, and he's unamerican because he neglected to wear a flag lapel pin, and he's a socialist/Marxist, and he's gonna bring Nazi Germany and Eugenics to the U.S., etc. I don't think any of these arguments are legitimate or reasonable. There is something lurking underneath the surface, and I just can't deny that. It's the politics of fear. But I have been called Racist, a Socialist, a Communist, and a Welfare recipient seeking my entitlements. I have been accused of voting for Obama simply because he's black or because I seek handouts from the Democratic party. But honestly, I just couldn't vote for Palin, because she didn't seem well informed and she seemed disingenuous. I couldn't vote for Mccain, because although I liked him in the past and I really became a fan during his proposed campaign finance reform, and the fact that he was a pro-choice republican, I felt like he threw all his values out of the window pandering to the conservatives so he could secure the nomination, and he lost me in the process. So, I voted for Obama, because he seemed smart, and gave some of the answers I wanted to hear, and seemed to be the best choice out of the two. As a woman I resent Mccain, because I don't think his choice of Palin was a good one. He didn't choose a smart woman who could defy stereotypes, was articulate and seemed well versed on domestic and international policy. He chose a woman to get the female vote, I believe and to corner the conservative vote since she is very conservative and that just didn't win me over. I'm sure that as a woman you can understand where I'm coming from because we have to be smarter, more articulate, and know our shit to be taken seriously by men. Palin didn't encompass that, and voted against her more than I voted for Obama, if you get my drift.

Excuse me melissa, I beg to differ on opinions here, I believe it is you and chexmix that will argue with someone because of their point of view. What I said is this country is a republic and you and yours tend to think it's a democracy (even obama the great divider calls it a democracy) it's not a majority rules concept so get over it or get out of it melissa, I could careless about the republican party, even though I am in line more with them than your party( the liberal dems) See there you go twisting something in your favor, why do you not see this president as a divider, because you believe in the same causes. So suck it up and take the heat that comes with it.

Pollard,

All I can do is speak for myself. I don't have to suck up anything you say because your points are meaningless and a waist of time. I didn't say that comment you suggested I find it offensive too. I never said anything about her looks I said comments about her knowledge of foreign policy. When I saw you attacking Chexmix's comments by calling her a communist and a Marxist I had to throw you under the bus and call you out on it. I thought it was funny at first because this is all I see on Allvoices. All conservatives do is call people communists, Marxists, and un-American and it makes these names a big fat joke.

I see people like you and Red on this site stereotyping everyone that disagrees with you. You throw out generalized statements and call people names and as a result it makes the Republican point of view look weak. It's really the oldest trick in the book. You do not have to single people out and call them communists in order to make your point. I could teach you how to do this but I think it would take too much time out of my Saturday.

You want a Republic Pollard? That's not a very common point of view but you have that freedom to belive that and I will accept it. As far as the division in this country I don't believe Obama is the reason for the division. There are long lists of reasons why this country is divided. Obama might be A reason but I don't think it has to do with him personally only politically. There is always going to be an opposition to every administration in office. I understand that this is a lot different than any other new President. We've never had a "libral" or "left-wing" voted into the white house and people are scared.

I think people are pissed off now as a result of the last 8 years. They are pissed because this country wasn't acting like a democracy and the government failed us. I know your comment will be something like "who cares it's in the past! You stinking liberals bring up George W. Bush in every debate so get over it!" I'm sorry but I cannot forget the last 8 years and I'm surprised the Republicans and conservatives want to just sweep it under the rug as if it didn't happen. A large chunk of Americans really did lose their homes from unregulated corporate fraud, the banks on wall street really were in bed with the government, 9/11 really did happen, Hurricane Katrina really was a disaster, the country really did start two wars over false pretenses and risked military men and women’s lives with no plan to get out, and George W. Bush really did bail out the banks and wall street in his last ditch effort to screw innocent Americans. I also point my finger at all the government officials that voted for the passing of that bail out when so many Americans opposed it.

People are finally waking up and are pissed off! Good I am glad! Where have you all been? I have been pissed for a long time. I know America is a great country but we have had very evil greedy people working in the white house and it has tarnished our country.

I think Republicans and conservatives want to blame everything on President Obama when the causes of all our problems have been brewing for decades. Now Obama is tyring to clean up the mess and is also trying to move us towards the change we need. I am going to give Obama a chance to prove he is going to do what he said he was going to accomplish. If he doesn't do what he says than I will be critisizing too. Plus, This country has always been divided.

Hey chexmix, Did I insult you by calling you a commey, Oh to bad, if you go up and read what you or one of your comrades said early on, who stinking care what she says. Shes only a model. My question to you is who cares what you say your only a socialist. Poor chexmix it's ok for us to put people down but how dare they do it to us. Go figure

Foreal Pollard? You are being really childish. And no you didn't insult me, since I don't really take people who sound like cooks too seriously. Call me whatever you choose. I won't loose sleep at night. I'll keep laughing at you like I have been. It's pretty Hilarious really. Sad, but hilarious.

I didn't see the comment about Palin being a model, but I didn't make it. As a woman I find it offensive. Still no warrant for you calling me a socialist. I'm a Capitalist baby. I own a big screen tv and drive a suv. But anyway, if you'll read what I wrote to W4L a little while ago, you'll know exactly why I don't like Palin. So there is the warrant for my argument. If I name call, I'm always gonna back it up. You will know why. As for you, all I have is some lame ass, "I put someone else down, so you're giving me a taste of my own medicine" excuse. But really, I think you're just backpedaling because you went through the thread, read it and realized you were only stereotyping me because I disagreed with you. By the way calling me a socialist isn't really an insult. It's an economic theory. No skin off my back.

Pollard,

Someone wise once said, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. No bed-wetters in the thread Pollard. Ha! I crack myself up! But seriously, I'm still waiting for some warrants for your inflammatory claim that I'm a communist. You couldn't have called me a commie because I have disagreed with you. So how bout' some warrants for that claim. It's like me calling you a racist, when you've made no racial comments at all. I'm waiting for an answer, sir. We're all waiting...

Chexmix,
Let me get this right, if I make a racial comment that makes me a racist, Your not only a commey, but a true idiot zavant at that. If I say anything against your prez, you label me a racist. You guy's need to look up the meaning to the R word. what ever happen to being a bigot.
You have made the R word a thing of the past, it has lost its sting from to much use. I thank you for that.

Pollard,

Do you have reading comprehension skills or do you summize what meaning you want from what people say to you? No I didn't say making a racial comment made you a racist. I pointed out how ridiculous your claim of me being communist was with a comparison to a fictional situation. Read it again Pollard. So you think Racism is a thing of the past? I can't have an intellectual discourse with you, because I don't think you're capable of having a normal conversation. I'm losing brain cells trying to engage you.

CHEXMIX - I can't respond to you above - I agreed that what Red and Pollard were saying in general about many of the liberals on the site resport to some pretty mean mud slinging when anyone disagrees with them...I was specifically referring to your comment: "you and Pollard should start a blog about why you hate liberals so much. Who can't see past their own hatred?"

Not because I don't think you're right on the money - but because it has gotten so bad that anyone who has a view from a conservative perspective gets BLASTED and if they blast back they get ripped apart by a slew of people. It's a defensive reaction on most of our parts - and maybe it isn't correct - but it happens. When we call the left on the carpet for it - people like the one Red mentions comes back comments to her "friends" about how respectful and curtious THEY are are how horrible WE are (for using caps even) when they are doing exactly what they claim we do - but with 4 times as much support.

I hope that makes it clearer. In other words - I would join pollard and red to discuss the hypocrisy of the left stating the right is any different when it comes to hatred. I think it's out of hand in this country to the point people from other nations have stopped commenting on our politics. They must sit there with their jaws dropped watching us rip eachOTHER apart.

This country needs to refocus. I do completely believe this is all Barack Obama's fault. I think he is so radical he has ripped a country to shreds and those that do still drool at the mouth over him can't even see past the phony speeches and lies and crap he told and is telling and allllllll the broken promises.

the campaign is over. The president doesn't HAVE a year to get cozy...and he knew that when he took the oath of office. Obama has apologized to every radical on this earth ignoring the human rights voilations they have done and he still continues to throw Bush out as the route of all that is wrong with this country instead of taking the high road - we are a GOOD COUNTRY. We do a LOT of good and always have!

The TV coverage - the late night show appearances, the selection of only CNN and not FOX, the pussy footing around the question of his tax increases... it's all points the left absolutely REFUSES to look at.

Why do I use caps? TO EMPHASIZE something...not to yell.... there is no way to italicize something so the caps help do that but there are certain people who pretend to be calm and above others and what they really are is slightly shy of insane.

I'm not saying that is you - there are points YOU (caps for emphasis) make that I agree with - and I will also add many, many, MANY that Red makes that I agree with as well.

W4L,

I made the comment about Red and Pollard, for Red specifically because he goes in every single blog with a complaint about liberals. Literally every blog I've seen him comment in he makes a generalized statement about liberals. It was a joke really. But I'm shocked to hear it was taken so offensively. It's no surprise Red has some intense feeling about liberals because even his little profile message says something about it. I wasn't mudslinging because I disagreed, I just thought it was funny and surprised that any offense would be taken because I think it's a true statement.

Red has made a few glaring contradictory statements. I'm not trying to attack him. I'm just being the mirror, reflecting what he's said. People disagree with me and I don't attack them for their disagreements. We will disagree because we have different philosophies, but saying liberals have low IQ's is just plain old prejudice and slanderous sedition libel. Perhaps he's just being defensive, or perhaps offensive. Ha, Ha. I'm a sarcastic person. And I often find myself funnier than others do. Like when I said Obama should go back to Africa. I just think we should all lighten up a bit.

We agree on some things. I'll leave it at that. I just think a lot of people dislike Obama, whether it's because he's progressive or because they just hate who he is and what he stands for like many hated Bush for the same reason. He hasn't done anything besides promising more troops in Afghanistan that makes me want to burn him at the stake. He is a politician like the rest. So we will agree to disagree on some things. I am not the liberals on Allvoices. I am my own person, and I can't be lumped into a category and given the prepackaged commie insult.

Hey,W4L I agree with some of the things you say, but there is a line between Hatred and dislike. Just because I dislike chexmix's ideaologies does not mean I hate him as a human being. He is or you are the ones who bought up the word hate.

Also chex what do you call putting me down, if you do not like my way of thinking then I seriously, do not believe me and you are going to like each other, get along maybe but not like. For you call it sarcasim or being funny, well thats fine an dandy but don't make excuses, if you call someone out on what they believe or dislike about your political views then be man enough to take it without making pathetic excuses. Besides when some one votes for somebody they must believe in their ideals. Your the one who said he voted for obama, do your home work and look into his past of who he idolized as a young man. Most were communist, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Pollard,

The first person to bring up the hate word was Red. I never did put you down. In response to this:

"That's it, you can tell the liberal left on here. When you write something they disagree with they start getting angry and calling you names. You poor, poor little libs want to take their ball and go home.
Hey red don't you know you can't be against obama or you will be labeled a RACIST, which most of the socialist on here couldn't tell you the true meaning of the fake word."

...I said you should start a blog about how much you hate liberals, since you seem to have a disdain for them. Am I wrong? Cause you sure are making some generalized statements. You didn't hear me say all republicans were a certain way. Don't try to backpedal now and try to make it seem like me saying something as simple as you starting a blog about how you dislike liberals is nearly as bad as what you've said. How bout' you man up.

"For you call it sarcasim or being funny, well thats fine an dandy but don't make excuses, if you call someone out on what they believe or dislike about your political views then be man enough to take it without making pathetic excuses."

It's not a pathetic excuse, because it is the truth. It was funny and meant to be funny, but you got your testes in a bunch and decided to call me a socialist and then you used a 'pathetic excuse' to justify it rather than answering the direct challenge to prove it, you just pointed to someone else's comment and called them my buddy and lumped us all together. Now who's being pathetic and who's being a little bitch about it now? I'll say it again, take your own advice and man up.


"Besides when some one votes for somebody they must believe in their ideals. Your the one who said he voted for obama, do your home work and look into his past of who he idolized as a young man. Most were communist, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree."

This statement is ridiculous since many people I know describe voting as choosing the lesser of two evils. It's pretty foolish to assume one believes in everything a candidate does because they voted for them. Especially since I have friends who voted for Bush Jr. because of his stance on Gay Mariage and Abortion alone. They call them single issue voters, Pollard? Ever heard of the term? Likewise, I was a Clinton supporter but detested his Welfare reform. And I do know that Obama idolized Abraham Lincoln and the belief that he was a champion in BIPARTISANSHIP. Perhaps you should do a little reading yourself. So now that you are done with your assault on me, I want to know...

Why do you hate socialists?
Why do you think I am a communist, rather than loosely associating me with someone who commented in the blog, that I never even had a conversation with?
Do you even know the difference between socialism and communism (without referring to wiki and google)?
Why do you think Racism is over?
Why do you conflate socialism with liberalism?

Some of these questions I asked before. I'm wondering if you'll answer them or if you'll just attack me some more. Check mate. Man up and answer the questions or go home.

Fine line for sure....and I certainly feel a bit of dislike for a few things I say - but even more hate!

Trust me - you and Chexmix (who is a woman I think) will definitely mix it up again...it's inevitable.... the passions in this country run deeper than any time in history ... save the revolution.

hah, wow!

OMG - A COMMUNIST EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!

HANG HIMM!!!

Now that's what I call a narrow viewpoint.

How so? The United States is not a communist country...how is it narrow to think that someone who praised the philosophies of communism might still embrace those views?

Changez - I don't think to many Americans are thinking our country is is a place worth joking about right now.

It is narrow to think that someone who was or is a communist is necessarily wrong or should be ignored. A broad viewpoint is accepting that others can have different beliefs and still be right.

If you don't laugh about the bad times, what are you going to do in the good times? In the end, they'll pass if you keep a positive frame of mind and an open mind. That's me point lass.

wow...

It is narrow to think that someone who was or is a communist is necessarily wrong or should be ignored. A broad viewpoint is accepting that others can have different beliefs and still be right.

If you don't laugh about the bad times, what are you going to do in the good times? In the end, they'll pass if you keep a positive and an open mind. That's me point lass.

@Pollard

1) I'm certain that Chexmix is a woman. She's said it at least twice in this blog alone.

2) The fact that you don't know this leads me to believe that you don't read her comments before commenting back on them.

3) #2 makes me finally understand a lot of what you have said. The crack about her being a communist... way out of left field. Not that I think it's an insult, or even a bad thing, but it's like me saying that you drive a high-pollution pick up truck. It doesn't make sense and there is no way for me to know it based on what you've said.

The whole thing about people who say "Racism" not knowing what racism means... you getting defensive when she hypothetically brings up the word "Racism"... you really should read before you begin to comment.

@Write4Life/Pollard:

...I don't even know where to start. I hate feeling like I've been put into the position of defending a politician (there are only two that I genuinely like and they're both close, personal friends). And I'm not even sure that this is going to be a good defense of him. But Obama is Not a communist. He is owned by the banks. Owned by the corporations. He is not even trying to hide it. Nor is anyone else in DC. Communism is an economic system that promotes equality over inequality. Socialism is a social system that goes along with it that basically says that you're not going to allow people to die in the street if the government can avoid that. While Obama does seem to favor inequality less than his predecessor, and while he does seem to at least care that citizens in the country that he is charged with presiding over are starving -- also unlike his predecessory -- this does not make him a communist. Every administration for the last 100 years has had policies that were considered "Radical" by the opposition. Bush's Patriot act. Clinton's Welfare Reform. Bush Sr.'s Corporate Welfare, Reaganomics, the list goes on and on. And each president's list goes on and on. What has been different for the last 8+ years is that Karl Rove (evil Genius, right ChexMix?) was able to paint opposition to the last administration's policies as "fringe", even when opposition was in the majority. Bush43's administration went away from what Clinton's administration had become masters of doing - working with an opposition party successfully. Clinton had to because for 6 of his eight years, his party was in the minority in Congress. For the first 6 of Bush's 8 years, his party was in the majority and he never had to learn to play well with others. This is what divided the country. Bush made a clear distinction in his speeches between Patriots and "Liberals" (anyone who disagreed with him) and never backed down from it while Republicans were in the majority.

These arguments just don't make sense, though. Most people are closer to the middle than the left or right. And all that means is that they have strong opinions that differ from both parties'. And let's be completely honest: most people in this country don't pay a lot of attention to politics at all. 65% of the electorate voted (the most passive way to participate in the political process) and that was considered a major coup. Most people feel like everyone has something to offer. Most people feel that just because you don't like abortions and think that the best way to curb crime is to hire more police officers doesn't mean that you support a supply-side ecnomonic policy and tax cuts for the rich. But the parties try to pigeonhole us into this way of thinking with terms like "Liberal" and "Conservative."
So don't think that most of the country is divided because Obama wants everyone to have healthcare. A lot of people who would agree with you on a thousand different issues would agree with Obama on things that you say are what make him divisive. Most people just aren't interested enough in politics (unlike the people on this site, of course) to allow themselves to be divided as a people.

I have so much more to say on this subject, but I don't even know why I try, sometimes.

@ Redhanded101:
You still never answered those criticisms about you being a hypocrite. Although, judging by what you usually do, you'll say that what you said isn't what you meant, change the meanings of the words you wrote, in hindsight and call me a dirty stinking angry, illiterate, lazy, liberal with no sense of history and matching IQ and shoe size... Clearly.

Yahmsan,

Thanks for your dissertation of the following comments, but what does it matter if chex is a man or a women? Big deal, I do read before I comment, I am reading your comment or book of defence of obama. Also you should do your home work on a socialist gov. Every time you say something in the second paragraph you are uncovering your true political beliefs, so if you want crediabilty in this blog start by telling the truth. The last paragragh was the icing on the cake, you are typical liberal dem, but in all your angst you give yourself away.

Chexmix,

I don't believe for a second you are a capitalist. I know a lot of bed wetting liberals that drive SUV's and own big screen TV's. Most of the down trodden in this country watch oprah or american idol from their big screens, Most will keep their cable going while they can't feed their kids. Yea if your a capitalist then I'm going to win the lottery tonight.

Pollard,

Will you share those lottery winnings with me? I live in a Capitalist economy and I work in one of the most Capitalist industries (Television/Film). Anyway, again, I'm too witty for you. It was sarcasm. Owning an SUV doesn't preclude me being a Capitalist, just like saying Palin is a dumb ass, or pointing out your prejudice against liberals doesn't make me a communist.

1) Get a dictionary and look up the concepts you'd like to throw around as insults.

2) If liberals are bed wetters, does that make conservatives premature ejaculators. (Before you go crying home to mama, remember these are just jokes.)

Oh and most of the downtrodden don't have homes. They live on the streets. Not sure if that ally way has electricity for that television. Perhaps their squatting in their own homes after the bank took it away. I wonder if you can get electricity in a home that technically belongs to the banks.

Bed wetting liberals? Where does that come from, Rush Limbaugh? I could say "pants-crapping conservatives" and it would mean just as much. Nothing.

I am NOT going to be a pants crapping conservative, or a bed wetter so I'm forming my own party as of this thread.

@ yahmsan_nahmean

This is written really well- but it's just an opinion and nothing more. You're comments are clearly sided - I read them - you're good at blasting anyone that posts anything remotely stating Obama might be wrong - and you're ok at the name calling yourself...unless you're really Lecia's husband, in which case the comments you made to her could be viewed slightly different -

But - Communist or not - Obama has us on a debt collision disaster. He is full of crap with statistics, and he rushes everything through his Congress. He even pushed Patrick to over ride the Massachusetts Constitution along with the legislature so he doemonstrated that although he is such a brilliant Harvard guy - he gives no consideration to the constitution - only to the advancement of his agenda. So, people have a right to wonder what else he will do. He clearly does not have any problem telling his critics to F off.

So, act above all you want but I can guarantee you that not all the people that stood in the streets cheering the coup in Cuba and the hero Castro who promised them the chance at a better world would have ever thought they'd be living under a dictator - or in VEnezuala either - were Chavez decimated a three party system in one decade.

It happens.

I don't think Iraq did anyone any good - and neither will Afghanistan and Iraq. Just more roads to plow down leaving our dead soldiers in its wake.

I never said the country is divided over healthcare - I'm actually for it - and agree that Obama is no different and IS controlled by the banks but he is not above breaking the laws - and at the same time trying to act above them.

Bush did the same thing - but he wasn't as sauve. Obama is - and it's that very suaveness that could make a lot of people forgive the slight twist of his constitutional authority.

@Pollard:

Last paragraph? You mean when I used Redhanded101's own words to demonstrate the tactics that he uses when someone calls him out on something he says in an article or comment? Yes, I admit, I paraphrased. but is that what's got you so upset?

The reason that I brought up that she is a woman was because you were challenging her manhood. And, as I EXPLICITLY stated in the first three sentences of my post, it goes to illustrate that, though you comment on her and call her a communist, you obviously don't read and retain what she says because she repeatedly calls herself a woman. Hence, you need to read before you comment.

Secondly, like I said, I don't like defending politicians - I usually prefer constructive criticism when talking about the government - but some of the things that I've read about him are so baseless (Not american, unamerican, socialist), so... ridiculously inane (Communist, "death panels", he eats unicorns --deadpan), that I feel like we have to get past all of that stuff before we can have a discussion about the substantive problems with his administration.

As to your claim about everything I say in the second paragraph:
What are you refering to, specifically? Describing Communism and Socialism? Saying Obama is owned by the banks? Or maybe it was when I explained to Write4Life that, just like Obama, Every administration has its detractors - those who think that the president is dangerously radical, one way or the other? Really, what is it? Or maybe... I really don't know what makes you think that I'm a "typical liberal dem". I am far from typical - because I actually think about the world, the government and the role of government from a theoretical perspective, and allow my views to flow from there.

I'm not sure what it means to be liberal, but judging by who is usually associated with the term "liberal", I'm pretty sure that I'm not one of those either. And thuogh I voted for Obama, and vote for Democrats more often than for any other party (it's close between the Green Party and the Democratic Party, but green candidates just don't run for enough offices to vote for them as often as I would like), I am most CERTAINLY NOT a Democrat.

As far as credebility goes, how's this for credible? I speak the truth. Months before the US invaded Iraq, I predicted in a blog (that can still be seen on BlackPlanet.com) that Bush would insist that weapons inspectors be sent into Iraq to prove he had WMDs, then when they didn't find anything, he would say that the weapons inspectors didn't work, and that we need to invade. Then when we don't find any, he would change his mind for invading and say something like "Sadaam is Evil". I got about a thousand messages saying how stupid I was and that I wasn't credible and that I was unpatriotic. Well, I won't bore you with any details about how it came out, but let's just say that I'll stick with the truth. At least as i see it.

Chexmix,
I might as well share it with you, cause the prez is going to make me pay more than most anyway. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee spare me with that statement, Prejudice against liberals. chex you sure do defend em not to be one. Oh and just because you work in the (telly and film)industry doesn't mean squat, most in that field are fairly liberal. There are a lot of downtrodden people who own or rent homes.

Yahsman, You are border line cynthia mckenny supporter, with all your conspiracy crap. I bet you think G Bush had something to do with the world trade center on 9/11 Get a grip dude, your credability is about shot.

W4L What's the name of the party going to be, I'm in

@Pollard:

You know, i honestly don't think about her that much. I met her once at a save the welfare-state/kill the babies rally back in 2004, but that was about it. In case you couldn't tell, that was a joke... they stopped combining the welfare-state/baby murder rallys in 2002 when each movement got big enough to stand on its own, obviously (another joke :\)

Seriously, though, what's wrong with supporting Cynthia Mckinney? I just told you that i often support Green party candidates. I don't really know enough about her to say that I "support" her, but I've never contribuited to a campaign, given a positive remark or voted for her (obviously, since I live in CA and she's a GA politician). I imagine that it's possible that I might have done so, had I lived in her district.

Like I said, though, I don't really care if you think that I'm credible or not. I speak the truth. At least as I see it. And while I won't say that i'm always correct, it happens pretty damn often.

And no, I wouldn't suggest that Bush knew something about the 9/11 attacks... but I wouldn't defend that he didn't, either. You never know.

...Um, what conspiracy crap, by the way? I didn't say that there was a widespread sentiment by all the blah blah blah. I just said that I thought some events would unfold in a certain way, based on what had happened in the past. And it happened pretty much just like I said it would. Are you calling the truth "Crap"?

You, on the other hand, tell Chexmix that she's a communist, then when she asks you about it, and she says she's not a communist, you insist that she "sure do defend [liberals] not to be one." try to be linear in your thoughts, "Dude". Seriously, you may lose some credibility (facetious but serious).

Pollard,

You know you prejudge liberals. Do I need to copy and paste your remarks again? I'm not homeless, and I defended them as well. And I don't think I defended liberals at all, just pointed out your prejudices towards them. So what's your point? These really aren't strong arguments Pollard. I brought up my industry to point out that it was a very Capitalist industry. I don't know how you equated that with me saying there weren't liberals in the industry. I'm going to hammer you on this reading comprehension thing. Go back, reread what I said and try again. Stop conflating being liberal with being socialist.

And, I guess the issue of home ownership depends on your definition of downtrodden. There are poor, working poor, homeless. Which are you talking about? The world is not one dimensional, black and white, liberal or conservative, socialist and communist. One thing that I really would like to call you on is your depiction of the poor. Are they poor because they have luxuries and are irresponsible, or could it be the capitalist economic system that necessarily creates poverty to thrive, the mortgage crisis, the low minimum wage, the fact that large companies are going under and laying off their employees in droves?

One thing I can't get over is how you keep attacking Yahsman's credibility. He's one of the few on here that has been civil and thoughtful. You just call people communists when you disagree with them and engage in slanderous epithets. How dare you question someone else's credibility? This is an effing blog anyway. Just debate Yahsman straight up instead of claiming he has no credibility, if you can.

You want to answer my questions or keep trying to divert the conversation? Be a man, and answer the tough questions. Here I'll copy and paste them to make it easier for you:

Why do you hate socialists?
Why do you think I am a communist, rather than loosely associating me with someone who commented in the blog, that I never even had a conversation with?
Do you even know the difference between socialism and communism (without referring to wiki and google)?
Why do you think Racism is over?
Why do you conflate socialism with liberalism?

@ Write4Life

I never meant to imply that I was "Above." I don't think that I'm better than anyone. Rather, I meant to -- and I'm pretty sure that I succeeded if you read it again -- say that the "Liberal" Vs. "Conservative" arguments are beneath us ALL. The ones who propagate this nonsense on a large scale have something to gain from it. Don't ask me what, because I haven't looked into it enough.

...Did I imply that Lecia was my wife? That's funny. What article was that in? I don't even remember it. It was probably a joke. And I'm sure that I don't blast anyone who remotely states that Obama might be wrong. And who goes on Allvoices and remotely states that Obama might be wrong? No, people on here attack Obama in ways that regress there own arguments and the conversation in general. Then they attack people who agree with him in ways that don't make any sense.

I didn't say anything about people calling each other names (although I'd prefer that it didn't happen). if I called someone a name, I'm pretty sure that I was joking. I'll put a parenthetical note next to each joke in the future, so that everyone knows when I'm joking and when i'm being serious.

The stuff you say about the MA constitution being requested to be burned in effigy by Obama (hyperbole), I really cant' speak on. And who is Patrick? Unless he has a name like Barak or Madonna, can we use some last names?

yeah, I did kind of imply that you thought healthcare was dividing the company, but it was really hypothetical and the "you" in that sentence referred to a hypothetical "you." My bad.

I don't think I said anything about Iraq or Afghanistan, did I? let me read it again... Nope. Nothing. so, I guess I'll just say that I agree with you about Iraq and Afghanistan.

Deval Patrick is the governor of Massachusetts.

Chexmix,
I really do not care what you are or what you believe, my point is do not hide behind a mask and pretend to be something or someone your not, I don't care what your reasoning was for bring something up. You seem to be tightly wound. Get over it chex, you seem to dwell on the same old thing, let it go. You said what you had to say and so did I. Please do not defend another writer about what I said to him. It was him that called me out.

Pollard,

Of course you don't care who I am and what I believe because you have a prepackaged insult that you give to all the non conservatives. I'm not tightly wound at all, just want an answer to my questions which you refuse to give. I'll let it go when you actually answer them and stop dodging and insulting as you seem to enjoy doing.

I will defend who ever I choose as I have a right to say and do as I choose. Just pointing out how outrageous it is to attack someone else's credibility when all you do is call people who disagree with you, communists and socialists. You have no right to attack someone else's character with the way you have portrayed yourself in this blog. You are incapable of having an actual conversation because you just attack. I called you out on it because you did the same thing to me. Your ball...

Pollard -

I'm going to name it after myself of course...I'm a drama queen and a primadonna according to posts to me....so it's only appropriate.

However, I will say - since beginning on Allvoices I actually have changed my opinion on a few subjects....swayed by the very same people that called me a drama queen (I AM, BTW.)

So, given that....I'm going to have to call the group "conservalibs."

Write4Life, You make more sense than most of our so called elected officials and I look forward to seeing you and your new party on the 2012 Presidential ballot.
- jongleur

Chexmix,

It's so funny how the kettle calls the pot black! You claim to be so innocent, you really can't see the forest because of the trees. I feel bad for you, going thru life upset over the smallest things. I don't think party affiliation is really a gauge of someones character, even though it can be a tell tell sign of how they will react. you are my case in point!

W4L,
I would like to apply for your new party conservalibs. You can email my membership card. Charge all my fees to chexmix, seeing how they want all my change. (There I go again) I just can't help myself.

I think it's totally unfair to call Palin an idiot. I mean, that's as crazy as calling Britney Spears an idiot would be, you know? And we all know that Britney's not an idiot, you know. And, like, Sarah's AT LEAST as smart as Britney is. Duh!

@winds7seas

Hilarious! My favorite post of the discussion.

winds7seas, At least Britney can dance! Palin is probably not an idiot just because she opens her mouth and idiotic things spew out. It's just that valve between her brain and her mouth is broken.
- jongleur

This debate turned hideously partisan really fast, and no one bothered to look at the facts on the issue, which is Palin's speech. The text of the speech, coming from a resigned governor, seemed like it was being made by an ambassador, representative or economic specialist. Palin is not a public figure except by virtue of fame; but going to seminars and delivering policy statements is the wrong thing to do. She is sending out a message with her appearance and if putting herself across as a representative of the US, which she is clearly not.

Changez,
This is the last time I will comment on this poll. It doesn't matter what the text was, they paid her a fee to speak and that is what she did, big deal. What about the sore loser guy Albert Gore, he goes around the world putting down the american way of life and G W Bush when he was prez. Big deal get over it and lets move on.

Yeah. But is she's being an idiot in one person's opinion, that doesn't have to provoke a debate like this. I think the defence of her is highly partisan because it should be quite clear to everyone from the text of her speech that she approached the audience as though she was an authoritative voice for the US and made a lot of highly unintelligent remarks along the way. As far as I know, Gore spoke about specific issues as a former VP. She is a former governor of Alaska speaking from the podium like the current President. And badly.

Palin bailed on her constituency so her credibility as a "former governor of Alaska" is in the toilet and her reputation is of one that jettisons when things get tough--like impending ethics violations.
- jongleur

155 comments on palin...lol...why does she create such a strong reaction in people?

Because she knows how to get attention and because she has been adopted by some people as a viable political figure.