Allvoices Has Liberal-itis
Holy Moly, I started a new job this week and I must say - what happened?
It looks like we've had a sure fired-up case of "Liberal-itis" on Allvoices. Now that's such a surprise! It's as scary as the Swine Flu!
When do we draw the line on all of this baloney? Do we say it when someone constantly uses language (racist) that says we are completely wrong for a different view? When do we stop calling every person who raises a sign in protest of wasteful (tea-baggers) spending?
Lately, it has been repeated over and over that anyone who disagrees with President Obama must be a racist, a tea-bagger, a SOUTHERN REPUBLICAN, a Glenn Beck Fox News junkie or just down right delusional.
Articles over the last week have popped up all over the web about the few dozen people who carried guns to (A) protest and virtually ignored approximately 70,000 to a 100,000 people at the protest recently in DC... Some of the most followed writers on this site clearly made it apparent that all of those silly protesting fools were graduates of the college of "I hate Obama and I am a proud right wing radical who lives to swing guns around, shout racist antics and spell things incorrectly!" No credit to the thousands of people who actually stand for something real - spending that is going to crush the future of our country.
Thousands in protest of the Iraq war were "press" but the thousands who went to DC to protest against a health care reform act that makes no sense and is utilizing back loading in its rational with not one mention of TORT REFORM were completely overshadowed by the 34 people who decided to be idiots and carry a gun.
Thousands become the minority to the few dozen by media gurus including an overwhelming number of Allvoices articles that talk about the horrible right wingers, Christian whack jobs and southern racists. Obama isn't guilty of being BLACK, he's guilty of pushing the country over the edge that was forced on us through the last 6 decades. You can't blame it ALL on George Bush, even if you say it is - history doesn't support you. It's been building for decades. Quotas on banks to push through bad loans - that wasn't George Bush - it started way back when with Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act and Bill Clinton's signing into law the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in the wee hours of October 22, 1999...(Ironically, the pen used to sign somehow made it directly to the wall of Mr. Sandy Weill.) Did Weill have undo influence to bring about the actions? You decide:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
Yes, George W. Bush spent too much. Yes, Obama inherited a mess. Yes, Obama has a lot to handle and a lot on "his plate..." However, the last time I checked with the school of thought on right and wrong - it stills says TWO WRONGS do not make a RIGHT. In our government we might want to make it "15 wrongs do not make a right" - but that's besides the point now. Over spending is over spending and to scream about it for 8 years and then ignore it by screaming "it's all about racism" - well, again adding another wrong doesn't make it right - it's a continuance of the norm - and that is NOT CHANGE.
Then there's the Glenn Beck bashing. A right wing extremist, a nut, a radical, a loon... it's all been said. And I will say this about Mr. Beck: He's certainly a very overly dramatic individual. However, he's been on the tail of ACORN since the show moved to FOX. He's always said it is corrupt...and that there was far more proof that ACORN was involved in voter fraud in this past election than there ever was of voter fraud in Florida during the Bush/Gore contested election. Beck put ACORN under the microscope and that was all it took... that and some twenty year olds going secretly under cover and videotaping a bunch of ACORN people turning the other ear when the discussion of human trafficking of minors was raised. ACORN cracked, was found to be crooked, and they fell. Was Glenn Beck correct? Yup, right on the money all along - and he owes a great big thanks to the undercover operations of a few very smart young Americans.
This week ACORN lost its federal funding. Maybe this was the real reason behind Ms. Pelosi's bogus tear riddled act. Maybe she could feel the "change" coming. Or perhaps, Pelosi was crying when she heard that the Competitive Enterprise Institute (under the "Freedom of Information Act") found that the Obama administration was privy to information that the implementation of "CAP and TRADE" would be much higher than Obama stated in his State of the Union address and that despite this knowledge, the Obama administration withheld the documentation, misrepresented the findings and its conclusions, in what could be called a complete lack of transparency.
Just in case you didn't realize this was a discussion of Allvoices - go back a few months to:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-new
For many Americans, the problems they are protesting and writing about have to do with Obama and the current sitting Congress and the current crap they are spoon feeding a sugar deprived left wing. Cap and Trade will cost an average family X (when we already know it's really Y) the passing of bills without reading them (the Stimulus) and that fact that Congress is more representative of King George's placid landowners and lords than of Americans. Why would anyone blindly embrace the current attempt to overhaul Health Care without a grain of salt? THAT is delusion.
I'll be watching again - now that there is another bill on the table that will not include a public option - but WILL require most Americans have insurance. It will be interesting to say the least since neither Democrats or Republicans seem to truly be embracing the latest version of a very complicated mess.
I won't just listen to the view from the left or the right - I'll do the research myself. If there are two things I have learned in the last year it's that Congress is all about Congress and that this administration although vehemently defended by the left - is not one bit more transparent than any former administration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/health
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/po
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424
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Quit whining. You're only getting what you fascists have dished out for the past 8 years. What goes around comes around. Grow up.
blah blah blah- once again... got any meat to go with that bread?
You're talking about two wrongs don't make a right now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you support all the torture that was going on? And who says "it's all about racism"? You can't deny that racism plays some sort of a role for many people, but obviously it's not 100% of the cake. I haven't heard anyone say "it's ALL about racism". Everyone isn't going to agree with Obama, but some people will never give him the credit he deserves no matter what he is able to accomplish.
Write4Life, As always, I appreciate your no-nonsense style and well-reasoned articles. I've seen a range of perspectives and politics on Allvoices from some uber-passionate, talented, and (I like to think) well intentioned folks that sometimes forget in their enthusiasm how to be more respectful, open-minded, and collegial, qualities you epitomize Write4Life.
Labels only serve to polarize and disenfranchise and I find it nuts to try to shoehorn 300+ million Americans through a drinking straw into only two discrete buckets of one moniker or another--Left or Right, Conservative or Liberal, Democrat or Republican, Black or White, Rich or Poor. Am I a Liberal? Y'all decide what to label me and I'll just hear blah blah blah. I'm a hard working corporate American and former small business owner financially devastated by the economic meltdown, with no health insurance and a wife of 30 years with a life threatening health condition, and just want to lead the normal, prosperous, and healthy life that I've worked so hard for and that remains illusive.
We can all do with a lot less name calling, put our heads together to build empathy and actually get down to solving problems, rather than exacerbating them and wasting precious time and energy. Our elected leaders and mean-spirited celebrities would rather play circus so we might as well all jump in, reach common ground, and deliver the positive changes this country desperately needs without further ado.
Write4Life, while our political leanings usually contrast--you have my utmost respect and always get an Up Arrow from me. Rock on!
- jongleur
Labels only serve to polarize and disenfranchise and I find it nuts to try to shoehorn 300+ million Americans through a drinking straw into only two discrete buckets of one moniker or another--Left or Right, Conservative or Liberal, Democrat or Republican, Black or White, Rich or Poor. Am I a Liberal? Y'all decide what to label me and I'll just hear blah blah blah. I'm a hard working corporate American and former small business owner financially devastated by the economic meltdown, with no health insurance and a wife of 30 years with a life threatening health condition, and just want to lead the normal, prosperous, and healthy life that I've worked so hard for and that remains illusive.
We can all do with a lot less name calling, put our heads together to build empathy and actually get down to solving problems, rather than exacerbating them and wasting precious time and energy. Our elected leaders and mean-spirited celebrities would rather play circus so we might as well all jump in, reach common ground, and deliver the positive changes this country desperately needs without further ado.
Write4Life, while our political leanings usually contrast--you have my utmost respect and always get an Up Arrow from me. Rock on!
- jongleur
My dear Inspector,
A lot of people are saying its all about racism - Go through the top 10 articles on allvoices this last week.
Is there anything but talk about racism?
How about we all sit down, have a beer and discuss which is more brutal - placing a bug in a room with a terrorist who has a phobia of bugs - OR, placing a journalist in front of a video camera for several days - letting his wife watch in horror as he is taken from a life presence on our planet to a bloddy mess on the ground with his neck slashed from one side to the other.
And - maybe we will invite a few of my friends who lost their husbands who worked for Cantor... or my husband's friend who was left a widower with a 8 week old child when his wife went back to work THAT day after a maternity leave...
I guess we all gauge terror differently and thus we all view what torture is differently. I might also add that it is now closing in on the end of September and GITMO and Bagram prison are still up and operational and going strong.Thanks for the comment though, seriously...
I really do believe the attacks are viewed very differently by people and thus their personal views affect what lengths our government should go to to keep us safe.
A lot of people are saying its all about racism - Go through the top 10 articles on allvoices this last week.
Is there anything but talk about racism?
How about we all sit down, have a beer and discuss which is more brutal - placing a bug in a room with a terrorist who has a phobia of bugs - OR, placing a journalist in front of a video camera for several days - letting his wife watch in horror as he is taken from a life presence on our planet to a bloddy mess on the ground with his neck slashed from one side to the other.
And - maybe we will invite a few of my friends who lost their husbands who worked for Cantor... or my husband's friend who was left a widower with a 8 week old child when his wife went back to work THAT day after a maternity leave...
I guess we all gauge terror differently and thus we all view what torture is differently. I might also add that it is now closing in on the end of September and GITMO and Bagram prison are still up and operational and going strong.Thanks for the comment though, seriously...
I really do believe the attacks are viewed very differently by people and thus their personal views affect what lengths our government should go to to keep us safe.
Well, there probably are many people out there who dislike Obama purely for his race. But for most people, it's likely a combination of racism and disagreement. We can't be sure though.
And regarding torture, you "de-dramatized it". It was much more than just "placing a bug in a room", but that's not the point anyway. ALL those things you mentioned are wrong. Both killing innocent people, and torturing, especially when there is no evidence, are inhumane things to do. One doesn't justify another. What these terrorists are doing is just sick. Why would you want to get on their level? You yourself just said the last time you "checked with the school of thought on right and wrong - it still says two wrongs don't make a right."
And regarding torture, you "de-dramatized it". It was much more than just "placing a bug in a room", but that's not the point anyway. ALL those things you mentioned are wrong. Both killing innocent people, and torturing, especially when there is no evidence, are inhumane things to do. One doesn't justify another. What these terrorists are doing is just sick. Why would you want to get on their level? You yourself just said the last time you "checked with the school of thought on right and wrong - it still says two wrongs don't make a right."
Jongluer-
Thank you - and let me add- I full heartedly believe ALL AMERICANS should have health insurance and by that - I do NOT mean just coverage for catastrophic care.
I think we need to look at this is a realistic view. Ben Stein said we'd all be better off if the government just wrote checks to the uninsured Americans to pay for health insurance policies. h
mmm... said we'd save more than half the proposed amounts.
I don't like to contrast with anyone about life - everyone deserves to be healthy. I know I contrast with how we will get there - and I sure do hope we do without killing the health of my children with enormous and unbearable debt.
Thanks again.....
Thank you - and let me add- I full heartedly believe ALL AMERICANS should have health insurance and by that - I do NOT mean just coverage for catastrophic care.
I think we need to look at this is a realistic view. Ben Stein said we'd all be better off if the government just wrote checks to the uninsured Americans to pay for health insurance policies. h
mmm... said we'd save more than half the proposed amounts.
I don't like to contrast with anyone about life - everyone deserves to be healthy. I know I contrast with how we will get there - and I sure do hope we do without killing the health of my children with enormous and unbearable debt.
Thanks again.....
Write4Life, We have more in common than not, and I'm a tree hugger! I like Ben Stein's idea and you and I both agree that 100% of Americans should have affordable health insurance and quality available healthcare, without outrageous deductibles, limitations, and exclusions.
- jongleur
- jongleur
JG- - I run my homes hot water and 20% of its heat with God's given sunshine... SOLAR energy. Nothing wrong with the green tree!
I don't like Obama, but it's not because of his race, because I am a conservative Republican, or because of the media. I didn't vote for him either. I am well educated and very well capable of making up my own mind on these matters. Thanks for your article. I hope someone can finally give that racist crap a rest because now if you say you're a Republican, people automatically envision you with a white sheet on your head or making a fool of yourself in a riot style protest. Not every Republican feels that way!
How right you are Asher!
AsherKade, Thank you for your comments and setting the record straight. I'm certain there are racists across the political spectrum and it's easier for some to spread nonsense than engage each other in discussion. Some of my best friends are Republicans and they're good folks.
- jongleur
- jongleur
Inspector - I stand corrected on the comment ... It's a question one cannot avoid when they are that close to it though....what is justified to save more people?
For the record - I've never been accused of de-dramatizing anything! Thanks! It's nice to hear that after being labeled a drama queen!
For the record - I've never been accused of de-dramatizing anything! Thanks! It's nice to hear that after being labeled a drama queen!
I gotta say I agree with you that the talk about racism, if anyone actually said "all" of it was about racism, should stop. But they did not.
And I would agree with you about Jimmy Carter, again if he thought all the protestors were racist, but he did not.
"Thousands in protest of the Iraq war were "press" but the thousands who went to DC to protest against a health care reform act that makes no sense and is utilizing back loading in its rational with not one mention of TORT REFORM were completely overshadowed by the 34 people who decided to be idiots and carry a gun."
There are quite a few things wrong with that statement. First of there were an estimated million people at the war protests. Second it sounds like you are saying there was no press or that the press was all negative. It wasn't. Tort Reform is a separate issue from health care. Tort Reform is about all businesses not just people of the healthcare industry, therefore there should be no Tort Reform in the health bill, just like there should be no illegal immigratation law, laws on education, traffic laws, environmental laws or any other thing that is a separate issue.
And through out the beginning of the article you have claimed that because of the 34 people that brought the guns, the voices of everyone else was drowned out. Also not true, every report I saw or read gave credence to the topic of over spending.
I watched the coversge on Fox NEws, MSNBC, CNN and a little bit on PBS, and they all talked about the central topic of the Tea PArtiers, the budget. But yes they paid attention to all the Nazi references, the refernces to OBama being a Muslim, a Kenyan, the signs talking about next time they'll be back with a gun. That lso happened and they covered it. They did not ignore it.
They, the news media outlets, interviewed people in the crowds and organizers of the event. The President of Freedomworks himself noted that ABC's coverage was fair and accurate.
I for one actually haven't heard anything about the 34 people with guns, up until your article. Same goes for the accusations about Rules For Radicals, that others, not you, have claimed all liberals follow.
And Glenn Beck being right on ACORN, doesn't make it okay to call the President a racist. I believe it wasn't until Beck called the President racist, did racism even become a topic in this discussion.
And another thing that you and many other conservatives writers forget is that this whole week, Limbaugh had been going off on the black kid that beat up a white kid. And talked about getting black male violence in check. And That Obama's presidency was responsible for an AMerica where white kids get beat by black kids. He spent the whole week talking about this. Even though race was not an issue in the fight. IT was Drudge and Limbaugh that help keep race the center of topic this week. Carter didn't help either, but you and the other conservatives always seem to leave Limbaugh out of this discussion.
There have been alot of articles on race on allvoices. They came from both sides of the issue. Usually how things work. can't keep just one side quite.
And I would agree with you about Jimmy Carter, again if he thought all the protestors were racist, but he did not.
"Thousands in protest of the Iraq war were "press" but the thousands who went to DC to protest against a health care reform act that makes no sense and is utilizing back loading in its rational with not one mention of TORT REFORM were completely overshadowed by the 34 people who decided to be idiots and carry a gun."
There are quite a few things wrong with that statement. First of there were an estimated million people at the war protests. Second it sounds like you are saying there was no press or that the press was all negative. It wasn't. Tort Reform is a separate issue from health care. Tort Reform is about all businesses not just people of the healthcare industry, therefore there should be no Tort Reform in the health bill, just like there should be no illegal immigratation law, laws on education, traffic laws, environmental laws or any other thing that is a separate issue.
And through out the beginning of the article you have claimed that because of the 34 people that brought the guns, the voices of everyone else was drowned out. Also not true, every report I saw or read gave credence to the topic of over spending.
I watched the coversge on Fox NEws, MSNBC, CNN and a little bit on PBS, and they all talked about the central topic of the Tea PArtiers, the budget. But yes they paid attention to all the Nazi references, the refernces to OBama being a Muslim, a Kenyan, the signs talking about next time they'll be back with a gun. That lso happened and they covered it. They did not ignore it.
They, the news media outlets, interviewed people in the crowds and organizers of the event. The President of Freedomworks himself noted that ABC's coverage was fair and accurate.
I for one actually haven't heard anything about the 34 people with guns, up until your article. Same goes for the accusations about Rules For Radicals, that others, not you, have claimed all liberals follow.
And Glenn Beck being right on ACORN, doesn't make it okay to call the President a racist. I believe it wasn't until Beck called the President racist, did racism even become a topic in this discussion.
And another thing that you and many other conservatives writers forget is that this whole week, Limbaugh had been going off on the black kid that beat up a white kid. And talked about getting black male violence in check. And That Obama's presidency was responsible for an AMerica where white kids get beat by black kids. He spent the whole week talking about this. Even though race was not an issue in the fight. IT was Drudge and Limbaugh that help keep race the center of topic this week. Carter didn't help either, but you and the other conservatives always seem to leave Limbaugh out of this discussion.
There have been alot of articles on race on allvoices. They came from both sides of the issue. Usually how things work. can't keep just one side quite.
I didn't mention Jimmy Carter other than to refer to his signing the Community Reinvestment Act.
Didn't say Beck was right to call Obama a racist either.I didn't listen to Rush - I was at work and actually do not listen to him - so I can't report on him either.
However, I did read the weeks top allvoices articles and this stood out from on e of Delilah's Starlings articles:
"That was then, and this is now. The prejudice and hate filled speech has expanded into Nazi sign-carrying, gun-toting, name-calling, all out toxic pesimissim; fueled by Republican leaders, who call the president a “liar” and red-meat throwing talking-heads."
I don't know - but that's really just a portion of what I read.
We must be reading different articles obviously.
Healthcare without tort reform? Are you a lawyer? Because if you are that comment makes sense. If not, it's ignorant to think a reform that does not include it could be anything but a win win for trial attorneys and a lose lose for the insured.
Lastly - I don't think my article points to one side or the other. Sorry you feel it is. My article is about the articles I read on allvoices, and not about news coverage - hence, the title.
Didn't say Beck was right to call Obama a racist either.I didn't listen to Rush - I was at work and actually do not listen to him - so I can't report on him either.
However, I did read the weeks top allvoices articles and this stood out from on e of Delilah's Starlings articles:
"That was then, and this is now. The prejudice and hate filled speech has expanded into Nazi sign-carrying, gun-toting, name-calling, all out toxic pesimissim; fueled by Republican leaders, who call the president a “liar” and red-meat throwing talking-heads."
I don't know - but that's really just a portion of what I read.
We must be reading different articles obviously.
Healthcare without tort reform? Are you a lawyer? Because if you are that comment makes sense. If not, it's ignorant to think a reform that does not include it could be anything but a win win for trial attorneys and a lose lose for the insured.
Lastly - I don't think my article points to one side or the other. Sorry you feel it is. My article is about the articles I read on allvoices, and not about news coverage - hence, the title.
Oh and my point about Beck was not that it was right to call the President a racist, the point was You and the other conservatives have a habit of making it sound like the liberals started this whole racism discussion, related to healthcare.
It wasn't, unless Beck is a liberal.
First one to accuse anyone of being a racist was Beck. The Race topic started becoming more and more prevelant after that comment. And it hasn't left since then.
Wasn't trying to say you supported Beck's views.
It wasn't, unless Beck is a liberal.
First one to accuse anyone of being a racist was Beck. The Race topic started becoming more and more prevelant after that comment. And it hasn't left since then.
Wasn't trying to say you supported Beck's views.
We're not commenting on who started it... that sounds like a couple of kids misbehaving in the backseat and complaining to Mom... the issue is that the left has taken it and run with it, and in the process, undermined their position with millions of moderate conservatives, who don't like being painted with such a broad brush..
Beck is one person - and he made a comment - but how come you're ignoring what I wrote - it was about ACORN?
wait I don't know what you mean by the quote from delilah, what are you trying to point out? And you are right I didn't read that article. But either way, the gun toters were just part of the group of people she was criticizing. She also criticized Republican leaders. As a private citizen, I think she and Carter have the right to express their personal opinions.
and also you don't think equating a liberal point of view to a disease or swine flu, isn't taking a side?
ANd again in regards to Tort Reform: that is a Reform dealing with laws governing lawsuits. Not just malpractice suits, but all lawsuits. Of any kind. It is a whole separate issue. An issue that would effect all judicial interactions between the courts, companies and plantiffs. It is an issue in of itself, with ramifications being felt by healthcare but not limited to healthcare.
And malpratice suits account for 2% of the overall healthcare costs of the nation. While defensive medicine is contributing to a much higher percentage. The 2% is all malpractice suits, not just the bogus ones. It includes all the valid ones.
Doctors are afraid of being sued, instead of being afraid of making mistakes. Why try to punish the victims of malpractice? Why try to punish people that need healthcare right now by not supporting this healthcare reform because it doesn't have Tort Reform in it?
Should we add to the 1000 page proposal immigration laws, tort laws, financial regulations, Foreign pilicy and all the other things that need reforming as well? Let's just call this reform, Healthcare-Tort-Immigration-Financial-Foreign Policy reform. This just doesn't make sense. If you want Tort Reform, fight for it. Independent of Healthcare. Once again it is an issue in itself.
What does me being a lawyer have anything to do with it? It doesn't take a lawyer to figure out TORT REFORM is a separate issue.
My grandfather died because of malpractice. We did not sue. But to know there are people out there that want to limit my right to sue in case something like this happens again, that is just not right, in my opinion.
This seems like you want to protect the perpetrators of malpractice while making the vicitims of malpractice seem like the bad guys.
The vicitims are not the doctors. The victims of malpractice are the patients who have been wronged.
and also you don't think equating a liberal point of view to a disease or swine flu, isn't taking a side?
ANd again in regards to Tort Reform: that is a Reform dealing with laws governing lawsuits. Not just malpractice suits, but all lawsuits. Of any kind. It is a whole separate issue. An issue that would effect all judicial interactions between the courts, companies and plantiffs. It is an issue in of itself, with ramifications being felt by healthcare but not limited to healthcare.
And malpratice suits account for 2% of the overall healthcare costs of the nation. While defensive medicine is contributing to a much higher percentage. The 2% is all malpractice suits, not just the bogus ones. It includes all the valid ones.
Doctors are afraid of being sued, instead of being afraid of making mistakes. Why try to punish the victims of malpractice? Why try to punish people that need healthcare right now by not supporting this healthcare reform because it doesn't have Tort Reform in it?
Should we add to the 1000 page proposal immigration laws, tort laws, financial regulations, Foreign pilicy and all the other things that need reforming as well? Let's just call this reform, Healthcare-Tort-Immigration-Financial-Foreign Policy reform. This just doesn't make sense. If you want Tort Reform, fight for it. Independent of Healthcare. Once again it is an issue in itself.
What does me being a lawyer have anything to do with it? It doesn't take a lawyer to figure out TORT REFORM is a separate issue.
My grandfather died because of malpractice. We did not sue. But to know there are people out there that want to limit my right to sue in case something like this happens again, that is just not right, in my opinion.
This seems like you want to protect the perpetrators of malpractice while making the vicitims of malpractice seem like the bad guys.
The vicitims are not the doctors. The victims of malpractice are the patients who have been wronged.
If carrying the guns was illegal, they would have been arrested; if it wasn't they should be left alone. Some people carry guns to symbolize their right to do so. We have a guy who has carried a shotgun into our City Council meeting for the last few years. It's legal in our town, so we don't make an issue of it. He's not trying to intimidate any one; he's doing it because he can. I have no problem with any US citizen exercising their rights.
EVERYONE has a right to express their opinion - but before you blast off your opinion as to what people write - try reading first.
Tort reform - doesn't hurt the victims - anyone with serious malpractice cases would not be unfairly compensated - that's a given - It's for the millions of frivilous lawsuits that are SETTLED and not included in your statistics which will increase.
The defensive medicine - a direct result of malpractice claims - again, we need tort REFORM.
Tort reform - doesn't hurt the victims - anyone with serious malpractice cases would not be unfairly compensated - that's a given - It's for the millions of frivilous lawsuits that are SETTLED and not included in your statistics which will increase.
The defensive medicine - a direct result of malpractice claims - again, we need tort REFORM.
I really don't want to write all this stuff on Tort Reform on here so if you have the time, check out what I think on the matter at this link:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4162584-why-is-obama-not-taking-tort-reform-seriously
I would like to see what you think.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4162584-why-is-obama-not-taking-tort-reform-seriously
I would like to see what you think.
Who else would call their grandmother a "typical white person?" Why did he talk out about racial profiling when he admitted he didn't know the issue? I can't see into his heart but those two things seem to indicate he could be a racist? I just read "Dred Scott's Revenge" and the writer has no problem denounceing Jefferson and Lincoln. As for those living, what about Kanye West's statement that "Bush doesn't care about black people" or Frakhan implying that the levees in New Orleans were blown up?
As for your thesis that allvoices being overrun, I would say that unfortunately that's inevitable. Liberals outnumber conservatives by far online, at least in my view
As for your thesis that allvoices being overrun, I would say that unfortunately that's inevitable. Liberals outnumber conservatives by far online, at least in my view
Ross - thanks for the comment - type away... you can't fight a fire with no water. :) The commentaries from the middle and the right have just begun to show their thoughts in print.
It's surely been dominated by the left (media and internet.)
It's changing quickly - which I believe is the true reason for the uproar in this country.
It's surely been dominated by the left (media and internet.)
It's changing quickly - which I believe is the true reason for the uproar in this country.
I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that 99% of the people that reference the word "fascist", do not know the history of Fascism in this country and that it's rightful owners are really Progressives & Liberals.
It is like a broken record listening to the same tired old Republicans are racist rant from the left.I surmise that a lot of the consternation from the left has been brought about by the honest Americans who have been voicing their concerns and are finally being heard.
What Liberal would not be happy at the fact that 2 amateur undercover reporters did what the mainstream media could not do? Isn't it refreshing that government waste is being exposed and defunded? Did anyone seriously think that ACORN was a legit and well intentioned outfit?
Let's get serious people...
It is like a broken record listening to the same tired old Republicans are racist rant from the left.I surmise that a lot of the consternation from the left has been brought about by the honest Americans who have been voicing their concerns and are finally being heard.
What Liberal would not be happy at the fact that 2 amateur undercover reporters did what the mainstream media could not do? Isn't it refreshing that government waste is being exposed and defunded? Did anyone seriously think that ACORN was a legit and well intentioned outfit?
Let's get serious people...
Isn't it funny then That the people referncing the word facist these days are conservatives. While it is the conservatives that like to see industry do whatever it is they want. Absolutely no regulation for industry correct.
Conservatives want Tort Reform, to help industry
No regulations, to help industry
No Unions, to help industry
Low minimum wages, to help industry
No affirmitive action, to help industry
tax breaks, to help industry
incentives, to help industry
But when it comes to helping the people, eff'em they need to pull themselves up from their boot straps and take responsibility for themselves.
But industry, they need all the help they can get.
Conservatives want Tort Reform, to help industry
No regulations, to help industry
No Unions, to help industry
Low minimum wages, to help industry
No affirmitive action, to help industry
tax breaks, to help industry
incentives, to help industry
But when it comes to helping the people, eff'em they need to pull themselves up from their boot straps and take responsibility for themselves.
But industry, they need all the help they can get.
The definition of fascism is government and business working together, with the captains of industry having a significant voice in the government.
Where do you get liberal out of that? Was Mussolini a liberal?
Where do you get liberal out of that? Was Mussolini a liberal?
This is the Webster's definition and Redhanded actually wrote a very detailed and researched peice yesterday on the topic. Might be worth a peak.
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Hey Mike, good point.
Apparently, some people think Allvoices is just a platform for their very own special brand of opinion and anyone who has a different point of view is as “scary as the swine flu.”
Any individual, who thinks that a global community web site should be reserved only for folks who are their like-minded followers, and then write judgmental first person articles (essentially touting their own personal opinion), entitled, “Allvoices has liberal-itis”, which proceeds to denigrate the audacity of any other contributors that have a “liberal” opinion—is the height of pomposity.
These are the kind of people, who to go to great extremes to insult and minimize the value of any other voice or opinion that doesn’t walk lock-step with their own beliefs.
By doing so, they demonstrate and reflect WHY the country is in such divisive gridlock.
It’s not only an insult to independent and liberal-minded people who write and contribute here-it’s also an insult to the Allvoices community.
Apparently, some people think Allvoices is just a platform for their very own special brand of opinion and anyone who has a different point of view is as “scary as the swine flu.”
Any individual, who thinks that a global community web site should be reserved only for folks who are their like-minded followers, and then write judgmental first person articles (essentially touting their own personal opinion), entitled, “Allvoices has liberal-itis”, which proceeds to denigrate the audacity of any other contributors that have a “liberal” opinion—is the height of pomposity.
These are the kind of people, who to go to great extremes to insult and minimize the value of any other voice or opinion that doesn’t walk lock-step with their own beliefs.
By doing so, they demonstrate and reflect WHY the country is in such divisive gridlock.
It’s not only an insult to independent and liberal-minded people who write and contribute here-it’s also an insult to the Allvoices community.
Delilah,
Respectfully, you and some others do exactly the same thing. Mike does it all the time. You both treat conservatives like they're either brainless, mentally handicapped, or just plain stupid. You talk down to them, speak in condescending terms, and generally denigrate anything they stand for, or even what you maintain they stand for, which if often nothing near reality.
This is the pot calling the kettle black if ever I saw it. You can't be serious...
Respectfully, you and some others do exactly the same thing. Mike does it all the time. You both treat conservatives like they're either brainless, mentally handicapped, or just plain stupid. You talk down to them, speak in condescending terms, and generally denigrate anything they stand for, or even what you maintain they stand for, which if often nothing near reality.
This is the pot calling the kettle black if ever I saw it. You can't be serious...
Deliliah - are you just joking? You are SO one sided. You obviously did not read the article either.
You don't even listen to anyone but a liberal- point out one article where YOU actually sided with any point the very few of us on this site who right from anything other than a far left view stated?
Do you think ACORN was just?
Do you think its ok to classify everyone as racist who doesn't agree with you?
Are all Christians worng?
Do you disagree the Reinvestment Act was a mistake?
Do you defend Obama knowing about the report about the cost to American families and then using a different number?
Instead of coming after me- at least go after my article and not me - which it is very apparant you have done ... and a good start would be to actually read the article.
In other words...BUG OFF unless you can make it something beside personal( and yes - the caps are JUST FOR YOU!)
You don't even listen to anyone but a liberal- point out one article where YOU actually sided with any point the very few of us on this site who right from anything other than a far left view stated?
Do you think ACORN was just?
Do you think its ok to classify everyone as racist who doesn't agree with you?
Are all Christians worng?
Do you disagree the Reinvestment Act was a mistake?
Do you defend Obama knowing about the report about the cost to American families and then using a different number?
Instead of coming after me- at least go after my article and not me - which it is very apparant you have done ... and a good start would be to actually read the article.
In other words...BUG OFF unless you can make it something beside personal( and yes - the caps are JUST FOR YOU!)
"Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept."
"In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support Republicans in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism"
"Fascism is normally described as "extreme right", but writers on the subject have often found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult. There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both the left and the right. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things."
"The historians Eugen Weber, David Renton, and Robert Soucy view fascism as on the ideological right. Rod Stackelberg argues that fascism opposes egalitarianism (particularly racial) and democracy, which according to him are characteristics that make it an extreme right-wing movement. Stanley Payne states that pre-war fascism found a coherent identity through alliances with right-wing movements Roger Griffin argues that since the end of World War II, fascist movements have become intertwined with the radical right, describing certain groups as part of a "fascist radical right""
"On economic issues, fascists reject ideas of class conflict and internationalism"
"Fascist movements have commonly held social darwinist views of nations, races, and societies
The Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties on abortion in 1926, declaring them both crimes against the state."
"Fascism tends to promote principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline; and rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism"
ALL THESE QUOTES WERE TAKEN FROM WIKIPEDIA
"In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support Republicans in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism"
"Fascism is normally described as "extreme right", but writers on the subject have often found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult. There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both the left and the right. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things."
"The historians Eugen Weber, David Renton, and Robert Soucy view fascism as on the ideological right. Rod Stackelberg argues that fascism opposes egalitarianism (particularly racial) and democracy, which according to him are characteristics that make it an extreme right-wing movement. Stanley Payne states that pre-war fascism found a coherent identity through alliances with right-wing movements Roger Griffin argues that since the end of World War II, fascist movements have become intertwined with the radical right, describing certain groups as part of a "fascist radical right""
"On economic issues, fascists reject ideas of class conflict and internationalism"
"Fascist movements have commonly held social darwinist views of nations, races, and societies
The Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties on abortion in 1926, declaring them both crimes against the state."
"Fascism tends to promote principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline; and rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism"
ALL THESE QUOTES WERE TAKEN FROM WIKIPEDIA
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CONSERVATIVE - ITIS ;
* Michelle Malkin - approximately 2 million tea- baggers @ protest.
* Glenn Beck - approximately 1.7 million tea baggers @ protest.
* Write4life - approximately 70,000 - 100,000 @ protest.
* Fox News - approximately 50,000 - 60,000 tea baggers @ protest.
Someone once said ; "Figures lie, and liars figure." Go figure. [:-[
JerrySatire
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* Michelle Malkin - approximately 2 million tea- baggers @ protest.
* Glenn Beck - approximately 1.7 million tea baggers @ protest.
* Write4life - approximately 70,000 - 100,000 @ protest.
* Fox News - approximately 50,000 - 60,000 tea baggers @ protest.
Someone once said ; "Figures lie, and liars figure." Go figure. [:-[
JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net
Were not hearing legitimate, sane arguments from the "Right". There are arguments to be made, but they are not coming from Republicans. Were hearing crap about "Birthers" and "Death Panels" and Obama is a racist, etc., etc. etc. What leader is left in the Republican Party that is not a complete hypocrite and a loon? The very, very few that are left don’t get any press! When your party is led by idiots like Sarah Palin and you watch complete morons like Glenn Beck, what do you expect? Did you hear the chants of USA- USA at the protests? Guess what? It's my country too and my guy won! Your Party needs to stop using God, and country to slander a President! As soon as Republicans start acting with some sanity again, you might get a little more civility from the "Left"!
By the way, you can thank Bush 43 for giving all these lunatics a voice! And you might want to go back and take a closer look at 90 percent of the signs at that protest in DC and the faces in the crowd! It was amazing how many white, middle-aged faces I saw. All people on Medicare! Hypocrites! They are fine with spending for Iraq but not with helping people in this country! And what short memories!! They all seem to have forgotten the events of last September! They were all asleep! A black man woke them up because most of them are racist!
Overseas they think we're nuts! They simply cannot understand how we can protest a president that only wants to protect the people of this country. Anyone that thinks we don't need health care reform is living under a rock!
By the way, you can thank Bush 43 for giving all these lunatics a voice! And you might want to go back and take a closer look at 90 percent of the signs at that protest in DC and the faces in the crowd! It was amazing how many white, middle-aged faces I saw. All people on Medicare! Hypocrites! They are fine with spending for Iraq but not with helping people in this country! And what short memories!! They all seem to have forgotten the events of last September! They were all asleep! A black man woke them up because most of them are racist!
Overseas they think we're nuts! They simply cannot understand how we can protest a president that only wants to protect the people of this country. Anyone that thinks we don't need health care reform is living under a rock!
Let's be clear (one more time). Most of us DON'T listen to Rush Limbaugh, or Glen Beck; the only reason we even follow them is because it's hysterical to watch the left come unglued. We could care less. They both have reasonable ideas from time to time, and occasionally even more than reasonable, but they are hardly spoksemen for either the Republican party or the general conservative population.
Yeah... we're mostly racists... and yeah, your guy won... and when our guys win, you never ever complain, right? Jeez... get over it. Regardless of whether the current administration is Republicans, or Democrats, the opposition has a right as well as a duty to voice their dissent. I support it on both sides.
Yeah... we're mostly racists... and yeah, your guy won... and when our guys win, you never ever complain, right? Jeez... get over it. Regardless of whether the current administration is Republicans, or Democrats, the opposition has a right as well as a duty to voice their dissent. I support it on both sides.
I respectfully disagree that there are no points being made by the right. Also there are numerous articles on Cato for instance that discuss very serious points.
See - you just made my point -"most of them are racist."
Did you read the article? How about reading the points and instead of attacking we all come down and try to stop bashing eachother.
And - where have you heard here that we don't want healthcare reform. You're all selective listening - and that is the same thing you accused us of for 8 years. Yes, Obama is President - but that alone does not make it right to bankrupt a nation and it didn't give Bush the right either.
Did you read the article? How about reading the points and instead of attacking we all come down and try to stop bashing eachother.
And - where have you heard here that we don't want healthcare reform. You're all selective listening - and that is the same thing you accused us of for 8 years. Yes, Obama is President - but that alone does not make it right to bankrupt a nation and it didn't give Bush the right either.
Ok, I should not have said most, it's probably more like 30%. That being said, it's pretty alarming when you hear that in New Jersey one out of every three conservatives thinks the president is or might be the anti-Christ!
Asher commented that - "if you say you're a Republican, people automatically envision you with a white sheet on your head"
Isn't it time to ask why? What personalities, what voices, and what has happened for people to think this? How did Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michele Bachman, and Sarah "Death Panel" Palin get to be the voice of the Republican Party?
And where are your moderate Representatives in the House and Senate. Democrats have "Blue-Dogs". Where are your moderates, your voices of reason? Who besides Olympia Snowe has worked with Democrats on health care reform?
I did read your article and I do appreciate that many in this country feel we need health care reform, including Republicans. Unfortunately, these voices are drowned out. Instead we hear the "Birthers" and Glenn Beck calling the president a racist, and Michelle Bachman with her cries that were all un-American, and Sarah Palin with her ludicrous claims that we want to kill seniors, etc., etc., etc. This is what we hear.
For every conservative like David Brooks, there are a million like Sarah Palin. What happened to your party? Little has changed in my Party. And the health care reform that the President is advocating is the same plan that Hillary Clinton advocated, and the same plan that Democrats for decades have advocated. Where exactly is the Republican Plan?
And please don’t tell me that tort reform and being able to buy insurance across state lines will fix health care.
It seems that the Republican Party that has always despised monopolies, loves the insurance monopolies that control who gets health care in this country. Why is that?
Asher commented that - "if you say you're a Republican, people automatically envision you with a white sheet on your head"
Isn't it time to ask why? What personalities, what voices, and what has happened for people to think this? How did Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michele Bachman, and Sarah "Death Panel" Palin get to be the voice of the Republican Party?
And where are your moderate Representatives in the House and Senate. Democrats have "Blue-Dogs". Where are your moderates, your voices of reason? Who besides Olympia Snowe has worked with Democrats on health care reform?
I did read your article and I do appreciate that many in this country feel we need health care reform, including Republicans. Unfortunately, these voices are drowned out. Instead we hear the "Birthers" and Glenn Beck calling the president a racist, and Michelle Bachman with her cries that were all un-American, and Sarah Palin with her ludicrous claims that we want to kill seniors, etc., etc., etc. This is what we hear.
For every conservative like David Brooks, there are a million like Sarah Palin. What happened to your party? Little has changed in my Party. And the health care reform that the President is advocating is the same plan that Hillary Clinton advocated, and the same plan that Democrats for decades have advocated. Where exactly is the Republican Plan?
And please don’t tell me that tort reform and being able to buy insurance across state lines will fix health care.
It seems that the Republican Party that has always despised monopolies, loves the insurance monopolies that control who gets health care in this country. Why is that?
I think that it's happening because the few are more news than the many who have valid points. Who was at th protest? Who has been to tea parties? I've been to a few and not all signs were stupid - in fact - here in Mass they mostly talk about speeding and the fact we dont' have any more money. TAXED will rise - Cap and trade passed the house base on fictional numbers and I think that's wrong.
I also live in the south -and there are a lot a racists - both black and white. So much I moved back. Some southerners don't even care if your black or white - you're doomed simply from being from the North!
I'm glad to be back in Massachusetts where the only underdog is the conservative....and the H1B's that take the development roles away from our own citizens and are abused by the shops that bring them over to do the work. The person gets 30 an hour - the third party sells them to an agency for $100 and the client pays $140. Programmers might cost more and the talent resources have their hands tied behind their backs and are forced to present third parties to fill the position based on the clients bill max,
It's a vicious cycle and unfair all around,
I also live in the south -and there are a lot a racists - both black and white. So much I moved back. Some southerners don't even care if your black or white - you're doomed simply from being from the North!
I'm glad to be back in Massachusetts where the only underdog is the conservative....and the H1B's that take the development roles away from our own citizens and are abused by the shops that bring them over to do the work. The person gets 30 an hour - the third party sells them to an agency for $100 and the client pays $140. Programmers might cost more and the talent resources have their hands tied behind their backs and are forced to present third parties to fill the position based on the clients bill max,
It's a vicious cycle and unfair all around,
LIVED in the South - I don't live there now,.
Why no 70,000 - 100,000 protesters in DC to protest the spending that is going to crush our future when GW Bush was President? His debt was a new record, then he gave $750 billion to AIG. But no conservative protesters in DC? Hmmm?
JerrySatire
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JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net
Jerry - there were plenty of protesters - even more to be exact. If it were not for Bush's war - would the world be a better place? It's hard to tell since the downward spiral of the economic base of this nation began way before him.
He just put in on the race course. I'm not arguing that was right - or wrong. I'm trying to stay focused on our current situation which is the right way to reform health care and not destroy the economics of the nation even more.
I heard a news report the other day that suggested people should not pay for services that they will never need. For instance - I don't drink - so I could opt for a policy that does not include treatment for substance abuse. I don't need mental health coverage either - or accupuncture - or chiropractice care.... Why not have policies that cover what we need instead of covering everything? Why should a person who doesn't drink have to pay a higher premium so rehab is covered for people who do? Would it make sense to have optional add ons?
Interesting concept - no?
He just put in on the race course. I'm not arguing that was right - or wrong. I'm trying to stay focused on our current situation which is the right way to reform health care and not destroy the economics of the nation even more.
I heard a news report the other day that suggested people should not pay for services that they will never need. For instance - I don't drink - so I could opt for a policy that does not include treatment for substance abuse. I don't need mental health coverage either - or accupuncture - or chiropractice care.... Why not have policies that cover what we need instead of covering everything? Why should a person who doesn't drink have to pay a higher premium so rehab is covered for people who do? Would it make sense to have optional add ons?
Interesting concept - no?
Conservative - itis :* Nazis were liberals.* What global warming?* Send the illegals back.* States Rights - States Rights - States Rights* God bless the Confederate flag.* Obama born in Kenya or perhaps, Cancun.* National Health Care sucks.* Liberal - itis is as scary as the Swine Flu.
Just because REPUBLICAN GW Bush spent a record amount of money doesn't mean we should go to DC 70,000 - 100,000 strong and protest. [:-[
JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net
Just because REPUBLICAN GW Bush spent a record amount of money doesn't mean we should go to DC 70,000 - 100,000 strong and protest. [:-[
JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net
Conservative - itis : yes, as scary as the swine flu - Ann Coulture is maybe even beyond that.
* Nazis were liberals.* Who said that?
What global warming?* We've already discussed this - remember? We're actually on the same page here!
Send the illegals back.* That sounds good.
States Rights - States Rights - States Rights* YES! That's part of it!
God bless the Confederate flag.* That's crazy - and who said that.... do you have a link? It sure wasn't me.
Obama born in Kenya or perhaps, Cancun.* Again, not said by most of the right - just a few.
National Health Care sucks.* AS WRITTEN
Liberal - itis is as scary as the Swine Flu. See conservative-itis - same symptoms.
Just because REPUBLICAN GW Bush spent a record amount of money doesn't mean we should go to DC 70,000 - 100,000 strong and protest. WHAT? Why not? Just because George Bush spent a lot of money we shouldn't go to DC to protest MORE uncontrolled spending? What's up with that?
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* Nazis were liberals.* Who said that?
What global warming?* We've already discussed this - remember? We're actually on the same page here!
Send the illegals back.* That sounds good.
States Rights - States Rights - States Rights* YES! That's part of it!
God bless the Confederate flag.* That's crazy - and who said that.... do you have a link? It sure wasn't me.
Obama born in Kenya or perhaps, Cancun.* Again, not said by most of the right - just a few.
National Health Care sucks.* AS WRITTEN
Liberal - itis is as scary as the Swine Flu. See conservative-itis - same symptoms.
Just because REPUBLICAN GW Bush spent a record amount of money doesn't mean we should go to DC 70,000 - 100,000 strong and protest. WHAT? Why not? Just because George Bush spent a lot of money we shouldn't go to DC to protest MORE uncontrolled spending? What's up with that?
[:-[
Do I have a link about the Confederate flag?
See...............Joe Wilson.
Jimmy Carter was right about this man.
Sorry, no 70,000 or 100,000 conservatives ever went to DC to protest GW Bush and his RECORD spending. However when a Democrat spends big, we get 70,000 - 100,000 protesting in DC.
Sounds fair and balanced to me. [:-[
JerrySatire
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See...............Joe Wilson.
Jimmy Carter was right about this man.
Sorry, no 70,000 or 100,000 conservatives ever went to DC to protest GW Bush and his RECORD spending. However when a Democrat spends big, we get 70,000 - 100,000 protesting in DC.
Sounds fair and balanced to me. [:-[
JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net
Jerry - MILLIONS protested Bush. LOL
"Nazis were liberals", who said that?
Rush Limbaugh said that, when he launched the whole Nazi-spoon-fed insanity.
He said the obama administration was like the Nazis, and then ranted off a list of imbecilic stupid comparisons that included being against smoking, pollution, and animal abuse. The problem was none of his comparisons were true. But Limbaugh has never let a little thing like "facts" get in his way.
Rush Limbaugh said that, when he launched the whole Nazi-spoon-fed insanity.
He said the obama administration was like the Nazis, and then ranted off a list of imbecilic stupid comparisons that included being against smoking, pollution, and animal abuse. The problem was none of his comparisons were true. But Limbaugh has never let a little thing like "facts" get in his way.
You really should stop listening to Rush Delilah and Jerry and maybe his ratings would drop.
Are you telling the readers @ Allvoices that MILLIONS of Conservatives protested the RECORD spending of GW Bush? Got a link? Got a book? Got a magazine story? Got a newspaper account? We do know that no conservatives went to DC to protest his RECORD debt. We also know that about 70,000 conservatives went to DC to protest Obama's spending. Don't we? JerrySatirewww.Lampoon.net
I love the way you say that all the time. NO, I'm not saying millions of conservatives Jerry - I said millions.... never mentioned the word conservative... need a link for the millions of people who protested Bush? I think you probably don't - you've got Moore and Stone to watch on the big screen after all.
Please - not all conservatives backed the war spending...and not all democrats back the current spending... that's America...
We've hammered this point home enough and you've said the same exact thing over and over and over.
Please - not all conservatives backed the war spending...and not all democrats back the current spending... that's America...
We've hammered this point home enough and you've said the same exact thing over and over and over.
I'm willing to let the Allvoices readers decide if you answered my question or not.
With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives went to DC,
but with a Republican in the White House, conservatives stayed home. Holy, Moly. [:-[
JerrySatire
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With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives went to DC,
but with a Republican in the White House, conservatives stayed home. Holy, Moly. [:-[
JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net
"Conservatives want Tort Reform, to help industry"
Tort reform helps lower the cost of health care by reducing the need for defensive medicine... basically a no-brainer.
"No regulations, to help industry"
Who said anything about "no regulations"? Some regulation is always necessary... another no-brainer...
"No Unions, to help industry"
Unions are necessary in some industries, destructive in others. I'm a member of a union, and have been for almost 20 years.
"Low minimum wages, to help industry"
Actually just a minimum wage which is exactly that; a starting point that encourages moving ahead rather than stagnation.
"No affirmitive action, to help industry"
Affirmative action helps nobody; I'm eligible, but wouldn't touch it. You only create a level playing field for one person by skewing it for another... discrimination is still discrimination regardless of who is doing it for whatever reason.
"tax breaks, to help industry"
"incentives, to help industry"
Basic economics, and essentially two more no-brainers.
We have tons of social programs to assist people in need, and I support them, for those who need them, as does almost every conservative I know.
Tort reform helps lower the cost of health care by reducing the need for defensive medicine... basically a no-brainer.
"No regulations, to help industry"
Who said anything about "no regulations"? Some regulation is always necessary... another no-brainer...
"No Unions, to help industry"
Unions are necessary in some industries, destructive in others. I'm a member of a union, and have been for almost 20 years.
"Low minimum wages, to help industry"
Actually just a minimum wage which is exactly that; a starting point that encourages moving ahead rather than stagnation.
"No affirmitive action, to help industry"
Affirmative action helps nobody; I'm eligible, but wouldn't touch it. You only create a level playing field for one person by skewing it for another... discrimination is still discrimination regardless of who is doing it for whatever reason.
"tax breaks, to help industry"
"incentives, to help industry"
Basic economics, and essentially two more no-brainers.
We have tons of social programs to assist people in need, and I support them, for those who need them, as does almost every conservative I know.
There are other ways to lower defensive care than Tort Reform.
"who said anythign about no regulations"
I thought I was clear, conservatives (generally speaking, when anyone uses labels, it usually means generally speaking). Free market priciples mandate no government interference. At least the Milton Friedman group pushes this thinking.
No Unions, yes you are right no union was an overstatement, never understood how one labels one union good and another bad, though. Seems like I always see Unions that back Dems are the bad (According to Conservatives). Every Union that ends up backing a Democrat is automatically on the $#!t list. i.e. teacher's union.
Minimum wage, I agree with what you wrote. But why oppose it. I always hear this whole argument about small business owners not being able to afford it. I'm sorry but if your business isn't strong enough to pay a person $8.00 per 60 minutes, 13.33 cents a minute, your business isn't strong enough to survive. But whatever I can understand small businesses are tough to run, but what excuse do the corporations have for keeping wages low? Why keep people on minimum wages for years. Why try to con them out of benefits by denying them full time positions? But that's a different topic.
Affirmitive action, Affirmitive action helps a lot of people. I worked at Macy's, well Marshal Field's then it became Macy's. If they didn't have to, they would almost never hire any black people (talking about just my store here, not true of all Macy's). How do I know this, well people in HR told me, my managers told me. I saw my bosses act horrible with black employees. Some deserved it(and they were treated badly not for race reasons, they were not good team players), others did not(they were just black).
Once I was told I was not J.Crew material by an employee of J.Crew when I asked for an application. I wasn't given an application.
tax break and incentives, Basic economics of a certain kind. A billion dollar company needs no tax breaks. They don't need incentives either. Theya re a billion dollar company, they make billions of dollars a year, it is incentive enough.
it's the same logic as giving billionaires tax cuts, they don't need incentives to be rich, being rich is incentive enough. Raising minimum wage is a problem, but giving tax cuts is not. Doesn't make sense.
How about minimum wage be made higher for people to work harder to keep the job that pays well? Why not give incentive to normal people, not corporations?
Shoot, if we are a government that believes in bailing out people, why not bail out normal Americans and not banks and corporations. Example, the story is that the reason this recession started was that too many people were in homes they could not afford, forget who's to blame for a second, it would have been much cheaper to help pay for their homes some how, either by reducing their loans or whatever, than giving money to the banks. mUch much cheaper. It would have only required one stimulus program. And after bailing out the people of the nation, then you could set new regulations to make sure that this kind of lending is reigned in.
"We have tons of social programs to assist people in need, and I support them, for those who need them, as does almost every conservative I know."
Maybe you do, but I don't, all (and here I mean all) the conservatives I know want to end all socialprograms. They don't discriminate in which ones to shut down.
And just to end off on, I was trying to point out the closeness of fascism and conservatism. That was all. You can do the same with things on the left, but I wss just trying to respond to claims that liberals are close to fascists, just not true, fascism takes from the left and the right.
"who said anythign about no regulations"
I thought I was clear, conservatives (generally speaking, when anyone uses labels, it usually means generally speaking). Free market priciples mandate no government interference. At least the Milton Friedman group pushes this thinking.
No Unions, yes you are right no union was an overstatement, never understood how one labels one union good and another bad, though. Seems like I always see Unions that back Dems are the bad (According to Conservatives). Every Union that ends up backing a Democrat is automatically on the $#!t list. i.e. teacher's union.
Minimum wage, I agree with what you wrote. But why oppose it. I always hear this whole argument about small business owners not being able to afford it. I'm sorry but if your business isn't strong enough to pay a person $8.00 per 60 minutes, 13.33 cents a minute, your business isn't strong enough to survive. But whatever I can understand small businesses are tough to run, but what excuse do the corporations have for keeping wages low? Why keep people on minimum wages for years. Why try to con them out of benefits by denying them full time positions? But that's a different topic.
Affirmitive action, Affirmitive action helps a lot of people. I worked at Macy's, well Marshal Field's then it became Macy's. If they didn't have to, they would almost never hire any black people (talking about just my store here, not true of all Macy's). How do I know this, well people in HR told me, my managers told me. I saw my bosses act horrible with black employees. Some deserved it(and they were treated badly not for race reasons, they were not good team players), others did not(they were just black).
Once I was told I was not J.Crew material by an employee of J.Crew when I asked for an application. I wasn't given an application.
tax break and incentives, Basic economics of a certain kind. A billion dollar company needs no tax breaks. They don't need incentives either. Theya re a billion dollar company, they make billions of dollars a year, it is incentive enough.
it's the same logic as giving billionaires tax cuts, they don't need incentives to be rich, being rich is incentive enough. Raising minimum wage is a problem, but giving tax cuts is not. Doesn't make sense.
How about minimum wage be made higher for people to work harder to keep the job that pays well? Why not give incentive to normal people, not corporations?
Shoot, if we are a government that believes in bailing out people, why not bail out normal Americans and not banks and corporations. Example, the story is that the reason this recession started was that too many people were in homes they could not afford, forget who's to blame for a second, it would have been much cheaper to help pay for their homes some how, either by reducing their loans or whatever, than giving money to the banks. mUch much cheaper. It would have only required one stimulus program. And after bailing out the people of the nation, then you could set new regulations to make sure that this kind of lending is reigned in.
"We have tons of social programs to assist people in need, and I support them, for those who need them, as does almost every conservative I know."
Maybe you do, but I don't, all (and here I mean all) the conservatives I know want to end all socialprograms. They don't discriminate in which ones to shut down.
And just to end off on, I was trying to point out the closeness of fascism and conservatism. That was all. You can do the same with things on the left, but I wss just trying to respond to claims that liberals are close to fascists, just not true, fascism takes from the left and the right.
"Shoot, if we are a government that believes in bailing out people, why not bail out normal Americans and not banks and corporations"
I think that statement is right on the money actually- and I think many people share your comment thought.
I wholeheartedly think nothing should be too big to fail and if small business as you say is too weak to survive with minimum wage increase - the same should go for the big corps too. No bailouts...they should go under the same way little companies do.
I took a job this last week and it absolutely breaks my heart to leave my kids EVERY morning...especially today when my 4 yr old was sick - and sobbing when I left - but I had to go. We run a small business and it's not doing well now that everyone is fearful of the economy getting worse.
If we'd done what you said - not only would it have been cheaper - it would have TRULY been a stimulus. B. Stein actually suggested it numerous times.
I think that statement is right on the money actually- and I think many people share your comment thought.
I wholeheartedly think nothing should be too big to fail and if small business as you say is too weak to survive with minimum wage increase - the same should go for the big corps too. No bailouts...they should go under the same way little companies do.
I took a job this last week and it absolutely breaks my heart to leave my kids EVERY morning...especially today when my 4 yr old was sick - and sobbing when I left - but I had to go. We run a small business and it's not doing well now that everyone is fearful of the economy getting worse.
If we'd done what you said - not only would it have been cheaper - it would have TRULY been a stimulus. B. Stein actually suggested it numerous times.
Yeah, the bashing is boring. The system is built for opposition--catastrophically so. Pick a side and pick on each other. The football mentality of politics is a big turn off. The United States, as our counties name, is a bit ironic. Our states of mind are anything but united.
Just to throw my bs stereotyping in the fold, based on personal experience, conservatives tend to screw you over to your face and liberals tend to be backstabbers about it.
hahaha Glenn Beck wasn't invented by liberals to make conservatives look bad? Surely that stuff was written by Saturday Night Live comedy writers.
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Just to throw my bs stereotyping in the fold, based on personal experience, conservatives tend to screw you over to your face and liberals tend to be backstabbers about it.
hahaha Glenn Beck wasn't invented by liberals to make conservatives look bad? Surely that stuff was written by Saturday Night Live comedy writers.
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