Former president from the south, Jimmy Carter, says animosity toward Obama is racism

"the hate being spewed by the radical right has been steeped in the tea pot of intolerance and racism."

Nope, Delilah, I'd have to respectfully disagree, both with you, and former President Carter. I'm sure there are people who dislike Obama because he's black, and there are also people who disliked almost every other US president, because they were white. Neither side is either a majority or representative of a large block of opinions.

Playing the race card is too easy, and the recent popularity of doing exactly that will be a serious problem for Obama in 2012, because it basically infers that all who disagree with his policies may be racists, and insults the intelligence of dissenters... including some who might be sympathetic to him on some issues. His approval ratings are droppings, and if he keeps painting with a broad brush, it will continue... count on it.

I love Carter; he calls it like he sees it, right or wrong; genuine man.

Please ... "calls it like he sees it, right or wrong" ... the man is a fabulist, and a venal one at that!

As per my example (posted below) he did not "call it like he saw it" by claiming in the fall of 2004 that one million black voters had been disenfranchised in the 2000 election in Florida.

That claim had been thoroughly examined and hashed over for four years when he made it! There was absolutely no credible proof that even ONE black person in Florida was disenfranchised in the 2000 election. NOT ONE! But Jimmy Carter and John Kerry each stood there in Georgia and insisted that ONE MILLION blacks in Florida had been disenfranchised.

By saying that, he was repeating what was one of the biggest, most venomous lies of modern socio-political history. He did it intentionally, in order to stir up racial animus toward Republicans, just before the 2004 Presidential election.

And, I suppose he was "calling it like he sees it" when, during his Presidency, he insisted that the elections held in Zimbabwe in 1979 were not be recognized by the international community, and he forcefully insisted that a subsequent election be held, which occurred in March of 1980, bringing the murderous Marxist Robert Mugabe to power. That thug consolidated his power and turned the country into a total dictatorship. Since then, Mugabe has been well known as the modern world's premiere example of a one-man killing spree, even last year reportedly having the wife of his political opponent murdered by cutting off her feet, and then burning her alive with a petrol bomb.

Mugabe's hold on power over the years has come from repeatedly cheating in, and stealing elections, at times by preventing large sectors of urban populations from voting at all. And Mugabe is a well-known and virulent racist. He even boasted once that he is a modern day Hitler!

My point here is that because of his disastrous foreign policy, and dogged meddling in the Zimbabwe elections at the time, Jimmy Carter was largely responsible for the rise to power of Robert Mugabe.

So, I'm sure the families of Mugabe's untold victims over the years, black and white alike, would be thrilled to know that the American President whose forceful blundering at the time brought Robert Mugabe to power, is now falsely insisting that Americans opposed to the policies of our current President, are really motivated by racial animus!

Jimmy Carter was by leaps and bounds the worst President in my lifetime – and I’ve seen a few doozies. Since he was (thankfully) run out of town back in 1980, he has made it his mission to become the worst ex-president of all time, never hesitating to question others’ motives, or to make stupid comments intended to undermine American foreign policy.

Notably, President Obama today rejected Carter's poisonous comments, as should all decent people.

Dude, you're patently an idiot and know nothing; hence I am not going to waste my time.

"President Obama today rejected Carter's comments" – What would you expect President Obama to say? You don't actually think that he can agree do you? He would just be labeled "the angry black man" and attacked even further! Get real!

To Trochilus-

President Carter established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and made good on a long-standing American promise to return control of the Panama Canal to the Panamanians.

Over 13 days of meetings at the presidential retreat, Camp David, Carter persuaded President Anwar Sadat of
Egypt and Prime Minister Menachem Begin of Israel to end the 31-year state of war between their countries. Egypt was the first of Israel's Arab neighbors to make peace with the Jewish state. Israel ended its occupation of the Sinai peninsula and returned control of the territory to Egypt.

Since leaving office, Jimmy Carter has been the most active of ex-Presidents. In 1982, he became University Distinguished Professor at Emory University, in Atlanta, Georgia, and in partnership with the University, founded the Carter Center to resolve conflict, promote democracy, protect human rights, and prevent disease around the world. Since 1989, observers from the Carter Center have monitored more than 60 elections in 25 countries.

President Carter has long served on the board of directors of Habitat for Humanity, a nonprofit organization that helps build homes for the needy in the United States and in other countries.

Since leaving the White House, Jimmy Carter's personal diplomacy has helped to defuse international crises in hot spots from North Korea to Haiti. In 2002, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. With Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, he is the third American president to have been so honored. The Nobel committee cited former President Carter "for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development."

Most ex-presidents publish a volume of memoirs or two, but Jimmy Carter has carried on an impressive career as an extremely prolific and successful author. He has published 20 books.

firesisle, with all due respect, your words, "I'm sure there are also people who disliked almost every other US president, because they were white."

Excuse me, what?

You say "Playing the race card is too easy." Excuse me, what?

Sigh...

What I'm saying, is that, just as there are white people who have a problem with a black president, there are also black people who have a problem with a white president; I've experienced both, so I know they do, in fact, exist.

Playing the race card is too easy, as a major reason for Obama's failing support, becuae I don't think it's as much of a major component as some of the left maintains, and the true reasons are much more complex, and blowing it off to either race or ignorance avoids the real issues.

"Fortunately, most Americans see Obama much in the same way as the rest of the world and are proud to have him, but the radical right fringe is louder and more obnoxious, claiming the first amendment gives them the right to disagree with the government.

Well, I don't completely agree. I think most Americans are more reserved than the "radical right" which is a tiny majority, but the voices of dissent are coming from many others, who might be a little less vociferous.

The first amendment does give citizens the right to express themselves as they wish, whether it's obnoxious "birthers" on the right, or PETA members throwing paint on those wearing furs... it goes both ways

"That essentially means they have the right to act like idiots and a lot of them have been gleefully exercising that right."

Exactly right, and in some cases, especially the particular cases previously noted here, I'd agree with you completely. Just remember that while the majority of the right choose to express themselves in am more appropriate manner, they are still very likely sympathetic to the issues being protested, if not the more extreme protesters themselves...

From what I've seen, the river of dissent runs much deeper than it appears on the surface, and can't be defined by the flotsam that happens to bob along...

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Well, firesisle, you make some points to ponder, but all things are relative.

There has never been a white president called a "liar" in the house of Congress. You won't find that any white president has been called things like "Indonesian Muslim" or "Welfare thug". There has not been a white president, who has received more death threats than any other.

President Obama is being embraced by the rest of the world, not because of the color of his skin, but because he is so far superior to the Bush/Cheney administration in terms of flexibility, intellect, communication, and the willingness to listen for ways to compromise, rather than swagger around being exclusionary or making demands.

Fortunately, most Americans see Obama much in the same way as the rest of the world and are proud to have him, but the radical right fringe is louder and more obnoxious, claiming the first amendment gives them the right to disagree with the government. That essentially means they have the right to act like idiots and a lot of them have been gleefully exercising that right.

What is amazing to many people is the fact that Obama had a white mother, so he is half white. But that just makes some intolerant people even more indignant.

I stand by what I said: the rest of the world is a lot more enlightened than some of our own.

Think about it. Even Obama is getting more death threats than Jimmy Carter got when he was in office, and Pres. Carter would have been the most ineffective President if it wasn't for Pres. Herbert Hoover with the way he mishandled the oil situation and the Iran hostage situation. And Obama gets more death threats than Carter when Carter was in office.

When the 'RIGHT' protest, anywhere, study the signs they bring. These folks are proud to make fun of the black man in their White House.
Yes, I agree with Jimmy Carter.
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Thanks for posting this blog!

Jimmy Carter simply has no credibility whatsoever on the issue of race. Over the years, he has repeatedly played the race card, and has frequently done so in a very nasty and pernicious manner. In that respect, Carter is far worse than the little boy who cried wolf. Therefore, giving him any credence on the subject is sadly way beyond being simplehearted.

For example, during the presidential race in 2004, Carter held a press availability with John Kerry, in Georgia, and publicly repeated the absolute lie that in the 2000 election, one million black voters in Florida were disinfranchised. One million! No one had ever produced any credible proof that even one single person was "disinfranchised" in that Florida election based on race. Not one! And yet, four years later, Carter and Kerry repeated the vile charge about the "one million" disinfranchised black voters.

Why did they repeat that false and ugly charge? They did it to stir up racial animus toward Republicans in the run-up to the 2004 election.

The most telling aspect of that lie was that the very people who would have had to be deeply involved in such a widespread voter suppression conspiracy, would have been the Democrat election supervisors in the heavily black populated areas of Florida!

But Jimmy Carter did not hesitate for one second to publicly repeat that out and out falsehood.

So, please, do not think you will persuade anyone with any sense that Jimmy Carter has now somehow become the go-to guy on the subject of what is motivating people to protest the policies and programs of Barack Obama.

The bulk of the growing opposition to Obama has absolutely nothing to do with his race, and everything to do with irresponsible governance, including engaging in out of control spending, making radical and inadvisable appointments, frequently to circumvent established process, exhibiting a dangerous naivite in foreign policy, and engaging in a stubborn pursuit of policies that seek to radically alter large sectors of the economy without justification. People justifiably fear that his initiatives will further undermine our national economic stability, with no discernible way out. They fear for the future.

"They fear for the future"

If "they fear for the future" it is because "they" are watching too much Glenn Beck! I would suggest the same thing a smart Republican recently said at his Town Hall - TURN HIM OFF!!

“engaging in a stubborn pursuit of policies that seek to radically alter large sectors of the economy without justification”

Is health care reform one of the “radical” change that is not justified? Let’s take a look at just a few facts -

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year, one very 12 minutes, in large part because they lack health insurance and cannot get good care.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32882064/ns/health-health_care/

Health care costs main cause of personal bankruptcy
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1439

As of 2007, there were an estimated 25 million underinsured adults in the United States, up 60 percent from 2003.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2008/Jun/How-Many-Are-Underinsured--Trends-Among-U-S--Adults--2003-and-2007.aspx

Cost of Employer-Provided Family Medical Insurance Rising Quickly
http://www.insureme.com/insurance-news/20090917/cost-employer-provided-family-medical-insurance-rising-quickly

ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC.

“exhibiting a dangerous naivite in foreign policy”

In just a few months President Obama has practically erased all the incredibly dangerous practices of the last administration on foreign policy. Remember the “axis of evil”?

Obama's Popularity Lifts U.S. Global Image
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8155223&page=1

European support for American foreign policy has quadrupled since President Barack Obama succeeded George W. Bush
http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/European-support-for-Obama-foreign-policy-soars--_56204.html

North Korea seeks direct talks with Washington – 8/19/2009
http://www.france24.com/en/20090819-north-korea-seeks-direct-talks-washington-bill-richardson

Iran agrees to US nuclear talks – 9/15/2009
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b437dc90-a18e-11de-a88d-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

“U.S. President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev concluded a series of agreements Monday -- including one on nuclear arms reduction -- as part of a broader effort to strengthen ties between the one-time Cold War rivals”
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/obama.russia/index.html

“making radical and inadvisable appointments”

Many of these “radical” appointments were people that worked in the Clinton administration.

And as for Van Jones – Glenn Beck is an idiot! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eva-paterson/glenn-becks-attack-on-van_b_271518.html

Jones led a campaign prompting major advertisers to withdraw from Glenn Beck's program. No more needs to be said!

The list of “radicals”- HA!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/cabinet/

Here are just a few of the many miserable appointments by the Bush Administration –

Former Interior Secretary Gale Norton is focus of corruption probe
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-norton17-2009sep17,0,6215749.story

Michael Brown Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html

“Brown's lack of experience in emergency management isn't the only apparent bit of padding on his resume, which raises questions about how rigorously the White House vetted him before putting him in charge of FEMA”

Tragic Appointments and Advisers in the Bush Administration
http://www.knowthecandidates.org/ktc/BushGang/BushTragicAppoints1.htm

Top Scientist Rails Against Bush Appointees
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112103359.html

Your Opinion -
“including engaging in out of control spending”

The Facts –

Apparently you have forgotten the events of last fall. Obama inherited an economic disaster, courtesy of Bush 43 and previous administrations that were compelled to lift every single regulation including Glass-Steagall.

The 2009 Economic Stimulus Bill was pronounced needed by almost every single economist in the country. Many agued it wasn’t enough.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/28/ftn/main4688594.shtml

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2009-02/2009-02-15-voa18.cfm?CFID=294398283&CFTOKEN=75507205&jsessionid=de30cde297e356d64b1c137b475276795572

Large sectors of the economy were radically altered last fall as the economy began crashing under George W. Bush!

REMINDERS -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA
Bush 43 September 24th, 2008 “How did our economy reach this point” “most economists agree it happened over a long period of time”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzRfCztcI8
Obama on car companies.

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Florida's 'Disappeared Voters': Disfranchised by the GOP
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010205/palast

Black Voters in United States Disproportionally Disenfranchised
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0126-28.htm

The Re-Election of Jim Crow: How Jeb Bush's Team is Trying to Steal Florida Again by Greg Palast
http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-114.htm

We may never know exactly what happened but to say, "he was repeating what was one of the biggest, most venomous lies of modern socio-political history", is ridiculous and at the very least an exaggeration.

I would say that your words more accurately describe the lies of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Excuse me, but it was proven that tens of thousands of black voters were removed because they were "suspected felons." Even when it was proven that they weren't, Gov. Jeb Bush refused to reinstate them.

Maybe not a million voters, but certainly enough to put Jeb's stupider brother into a White House he never really won.

This is utterly bogus leftist rubbish, CaliforniaMike.

What I said was that no one -- not one person was disenfranchised in Florida, based on their race. That is a fact.

No credible proof of any such thing has EVER been proven, although plenty of Democrats, including Carter and Kerry have repeatedly made the exponentially larger false and vicious charge in order to try to stir up racial animosity. They are despicable people for having done so.

What you are referring to was an effort by the state -- which they were required to do by law -- to purge the voting roles of the deceased and convicted felons who, were and should have been prohibited from voting.

A 1998 Miami election was thrown out because of the number of deceased persons and convicted felons who somehow managed to get their votes recorded. The court correctly concluded that the legitimate voters were thereby disenfranchised as a result of those phony ballots. It's kind of like what happens to you or me when organizations like ACORN register non-existent voters -- someone goes in and casts that bogus ballot, and your ballot or my ballot is thereby nullified.

There were administrative difficulties that arose as a result of similar or identical names, and likely some voters did not get it straightened out prior to election day. I do not know what the precise numbers were, but I am sure your number of 10,000 is a gross exaggeration.

Again, the local election commissioners, many of them Democrats, bore much of the responsibility for those problems. Were they doing it based on race? The answer is no.

So go back to Democrat Underground, or wherever you got your propaganda from, and delude yourself some more about how any such snafus were "proven" to have been based on race. They were not.

And, what do you mean "maybe not a million?" This post is about charges of racism made by Jimmy Carter, based on what he somehow magically knows is in other peoples' minds. It has been a habit of a lifetime for Carter.

Finally, I reiterate, to his credit, that President Obama rejected Carter’s obnoxious comments today.

Gee, CaliforniaMike, you are not now suggesting that he is being untruthful are you?

Didn't think so!!

The efforts to paint our first black president as a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi that would kill old people, a snake who would indoctrinate kids — is racism! Wake Up! It is ugly and it is so obviouos!

Joe Wilson belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced the true claim of a black woman that was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the segregationist.

Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.

Heya Jerry... *LOL*
Ok... you've seen ALL the signs, because you've been there, right? No? Are you talking about the sign that show up in the drive-by medea and accepting that they are somehow representative the general population of attendees? That is a serious mistake. That also alows y'all to just blow them off as whackos instead of addressing real issues. If that's where you want to go with it, far be if for me to fight it. It just ticks people off and some, maybe more than some, would support Obama on some other issues, if they weren't being insulted by being painted with a broad brush...

One of Jimmy Carter's books "Israel, peace not apartheid" was recommended by Osama Bin Laden and some members of his own staff left over charges of its bias. That alone kills any moral authority that this man has over such issues in my view.
As for the Hitler mustache, it is a sad fact of social science. When people of like mine sets get together, they tend to gravitate to the extremes. However, I find it doubtful those people are representative of the mainstream protestors

If you'd like to better understand the dynamics and the history of the Palestinian conflict, read Jimmy Carter’s book!

The political right detests President Carter, maligning and misrepresenting him! It’s the same standard bull from those who paint Barack Obama a racist, socialist, Muslim terrorist alien with a conspiracy-forged birth certificate!

Carter is a man with a healthy curiosity, an engaging mind, and a moral/ethical compass not controlled by politics! The book is an excellent insider's documentary of the history of the conflict and many, if not most experts on this topic agree with President Carter!

Actually, if you want to understnd the dymamics and history of the Palestinian conflict, throw Carter's book out the wondow, and read the history of the region over the last 100 years, from several sources. Taking it from Carter, or any one person or source gives you one person's understanding, which may or may not be valid or even relavent.

I have to ask... in the middle of the Cold War, what kind of a healthy mind leaves the US nuclear launch codes with a secret service agent, 100 miles away when they go home to visit? When Carter went home, the US was absolutely powerless to respond in any kind of timely manner to a nuclear strike. Personally? I'd call that man a dumb-ass.

At least he didn't lose them, like Clinton...

More and more people are finally speaking out on this obvious racism! I hope it continues.

Jimmy Carter is the Christian these racists on the "Right" will never be. In his book "Our Endangered Values", Carter was one of the first to take on this issue of the extreme "Right" and their anti-Christian behavior. These idiots use religion and country to further their racist, confused, ludicrous agenda. Did you hear them chanting "USA"? Did you see the signs that read “This Is A Christian Nation”?

We have a President that wants to keep a campaign promise to help millions of Americans and they protest! Where were these idiots when Bush 43 was taking us into an illegal war that killed thousand of Americans? What hypocrisy!

The health insurance companies that line their pockets with millions of dollars at our expense count on these ignorant misguided people and Fox Noise to further their agenda.

"Where were these idiots when Bush 43 was taking us into an illegal war that killed thousand of Americans?"

They were probably supporting it, as were most of the "idiots" they put into Congress, both Democratic and Republican. Without Congressional support, Bush could have done very little. I think that makes it hard to blame just one man.

macasey,

You raise many good points. Especially, regarding the religious hypocrisy.

I just heard the responses to an e-mail survey that CNN's John Cafferty sent out, which asked if Carter was right about Obama being treated with racism. The response was about 80% in agreement. The e-mails were thoughtful and many came from conservatives, which was surprising.

Michael Steele is going around the talk show circuit trying to convince people that it was about policy, not racism and he was bashing Carter for saying what he did, accusing him of throwing the "race card out there willy-nilly'. Well, that is so typical of Steele, who claims that the "liberal elite" think they know racism better than he does, being a black man.

Steele uses the example that he doesn't hear someone call a black man a "liar" and automatically think "racism". Talk about overly simplistic.

In this case, the "black man" was the president of the United States, being called a "liar" by a southern white guy in the house of congress. Add to that all the other insanity being stirred up by radical conservative "Christians", and the observation of a former president from the south, and it spells racism.

What is that old expression? If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck--it's probably a duck.

I'm sure Osama Bin Laden would recommend hummus as a delicious Mid-Eastern treat. Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop eating chickpeas.

Changez----I see who you are now!

Who am I? That's a question I'd really like the answer to, believe me...

Delilah---you are truly blind if you sit there and say that there is not a resentment by minorities toward the white man----not every black, brown, yellow , red, or whatever color you wish to speak about have racist thoughts but they are out there---I work in an inner city hospital --all nationalities are represented by either being an employee or a patient--I personally see it everyday----and not every white person has racist feeling toward non whites----the broad brush is used quite frequently to get a particular view across and it does everyone a great disservice.

Diliah----do you really think that Joe Wilson sat in the chamber and thought --this is a black man---I think I'll say he's lying---because I don't like black people---Pleeeeeeze-----you do have a problem---

Joe Wilson belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced the true claim of a black woman that was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the segregationist.

Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the chamber.

Wilson is a racist. Do you think he would have called Hillary Clinton a liar? By the way, it's the same health care plan she wanted.

Wilson is the liar! He was never an immigration attorney. He has never been anything but a real-estate attorney.

"brainy black president"? I haven't seen a "brainy" president for at least 30 years...

Jimmy Carter was the president 30 years ago.

Even though Joe Wilson fought to keep the Confederate flag flying, even though he's a member of the Sons of the Confederacy, even though he attacked Strom Thurmond's illegitimate black daughter as a liar?

At least we can be thankful he didn't say, "You lie, n****r."

Good one Mike!:))

Okay, Cookie. Let's suspend reality for, like, one second.

First of all, no one said any thing about Joe Wilson's remark being planned or premeditated, so what does that have to do with anything?

Secondly, it wasn't so much what "you lie" Joe Wilson said, it was where he said it--in the house of Congress, where the worst behavior allowed is occasional booing. Obviously, Joe Wilson thought the rules of civility didn't apply to him.

In addition to the fact that Wilson made a big stink about Strom Thurman's bi-racial daughter, who came out in public after Thurman died. Not to mention Wilson's Confederate connections.

It isn't a big stretch to connect his "you lie" rant to racism. If there had been a white president standing in front of the room that Wilson happened not to agree with, it's doubtful he would have behaved the same disrespectful way.

As it turns out, Wilson was wrong and Obama was right.

Of course, not everyone who disagrees with the president is a racist. That's just rhetorical bull, but given every thing that has been going on in this country--Carter is right and he deserves credit for having the intestinal fortitude to say it out loud publicly.

The fact is, your rant on this comment thread have taken a lot of free liberty to put words into my mouth, like saying:you are truly blind if you sit there and say that there is not a resentment by minorities toward the white man, etc.

Where did I say that? No where. Evidently, you are one of those spammers that hit other people's articles that you don't agree with and use the platform to unload your personal bias.

Then you bark at Changez, because of a one line supportive Carter remark left here? Well, we now know who you are: one very judgmental person.

I think cookies 'reality', and mind I use the word most sparingly, is in a permanent suspension . Kind of like cryostasis or suspended animation; this is not a person with a good grip on reality delilah; uh uh. Telling it to temporarily suspend reality is like giving prince a sex change.

and as far as a CNN poll---people who say they are conservatives---I could say I was a rocket scientist, a fairy princess, a rodeo star---how would you know---and the only ones who even listen to CNN are liberals---need I say more----

MACasey---Illegal war---define this---

Here is your definition CookieCutter-

Bush and his administration lied, deceived or committed outright fraud about every single point they used to justify invading Iraq (except to say that Saddam was an evil man)

Weapons of mass destruction were not the reason the Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq. Top officials have even admitted this, saying flat out that they had other reasons but chose WMD because it was the most effective argument politicially. They deliberately and consistently lied to the American people about this, to justify war in Iraq. Thousands of US soldiers have died as a result.

Ask yourself: If the nation was really under threat of an imminent attack, would U.S. officials be concerned with developing a marketing plan for getting people behind the war effort?

Vice President Cheney stated that given what he now knows — that is, that the United States was not under an urgent threat of a WMD attack by Saddam — that there was no threat that Saddam would explode mushroom clouds over American cities — that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no connections to al-Qaeda — the United States would have invaded Iraq anyway!

International law categorically rejects Preemptive war! Article 2, Section 4 of the U.N. Charter bars the threat or use of force against any state in the absence of an acute and imminent actual threat.

Bush said - "Capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources"

Bush said - “I truly am not that concerned about him.”

So... Obama is prusuing an "illegal" war in Afghanistan, right?

No, wrong.

John McCain joined Barack Obama in calling for a surge in Afghanistan. Remember?

"The central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was," said Obama, who has claimed combat brigades needed to battle the Taliban have been diverted to Iraq and vowed to take the fight to "Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan." Remember?

The reality - the country doesn't support the effort anymore and there's no "winning". But this does not erase the fact that Afghanistan was yet another complete mess left for Obama to deal with!

And LBJ took all the blame for Vietnam too.

Macasey, You are absolutely right and a very welcome voice of reason to this comment thread.

You are obviously very versed in politics and Jimmy Carter in particular. I thought I remembered that he had won a nobel peace prize.

Thanks for your comments!

Macasey---Is this the same Jimmy Carter that has not 1 but two books on the Bin Ladin must read list---go ahead ---keep singing the praises of this senile old gentleman---I think Jimmy needs to be worrying about what will happen to him with the new healthcare being planned for seniors---as Rahmn's brother the physician says the treatment of dementia would be a waste of money and not necessary---Jimmy better start hoarding his Aricept now!

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who has been characterized by conservatives as a “Dr. Death”, discredited claims by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to paint his philosophical writings and a provision providing optional end of life counseling in the House Democrats’ health care reform bill as President Obama wanting to set up “death panels” to deny medical treatments to seniors and the disabled, including her son Trig.

Emanuel told ABC, “It’s an absolute outrage that you would take first of all a provision written in the bill, a provision allowing for “doctors to talk to patients about end of life care, and turn it into the suggestion that we’re going to have euthanasia boards, that’s a complete misreading of what’s there. It’s just trying to scare people.” The provision in the House Democrats’ bill is “an acknowledgment doctors should be compensated for making that conversation available,” he says. “It’s not forced, it’s voluntary.” As for Palin’s vision of “Obama ‘death panels,’” Emanuel argues, “there’s no basis for that claim either in any of my writings or the legislation. It has no grounds in reality. It’s surreal and Orwellian, the idea that this legislation or my writings suggest that her son Trig shouldn’t get health care.” He notes that his sister has Cerebral Palsy, so he is not without personal sympathy for those with disabilities. An opponent of euthanasia, Emanuel says he “abhors people “cavalierly distorting those writings and the work that I’ve done over 25 years to help improve medical care in America for vulnerable people who often have no voice.”

This post, above ostensibly "written" by macasey, is copied word for word from, here:

http://www.examiner.com/x-6639-Seattle-Democrat-Examiner~y2009m8d16-Sarah-Palin-and-Newt-Gingrich-on-new-health-care-reform-bill

Is there not a rule on this site prohibiting plagiarism?

It's my article! Did you not notice my user ID?

And these are my words-

More and more people are finally speaking out on this obvious racism! I hope it continues.

Jimmy Carter is the Christian these racists on the "Right" will never be. In his book "Our Endangered Values", Carter was one of the first to take on this issue of the extreme "Right" and their anti-Christian behavior. These idiots use religion and country to further their racist, confused, ludicrous agenda. Did you hear them chanting "USA"? Did you see the signs that read “This Is A Christian Nation”?

We have a President that wants to keep a campaign promise to help millions of Americans and they protest! Where were these idiots when Bush 43 was taking us into an illegal war that killed thousand of Americans? What hypocrisy!

The health insurance companies that line their pockets with millions of dollars at our expense count on these ignorant misguided people and Fox Noise to further their agenda.

delilah----but to a delusional person it can look like a duck sound like a duck but it's actually their mother------go figure------

hey, obama himself does not agree with carter....so maybe you obamanites should stop listening to the pundits and listen to what your president has to say

What would you expect President Obama to say? You don't actually think that he can agree do you? He would just be labeled "the angry black man" and attacked even further! Get real!

oh so he is "lying"? so anytime he says something i need to come here so you can tell me what he really meant?

lecia . . . I just saw this comment of yours. Right you are! I said something similar in a response to macasey and others, but I can now see you got the point out first. Good one!

My response was "Well, on this point, macasey, I’ll simply say that I acknowledge your candor in conceding that, in your opinion, the President was lying when he said that Jimmy Carter was wrong about what he said."

By the way, you might also want to check out my latest comment below in response to macasey.

It seems our little buddy got caught with his/her fingers in the cookie jar -- one of his/her comments was copied wholesale from a 2006 website about Jimmy Carter. Check it out!

Looks like poor Delilah might have spoken too soon when she said:

"Macasey, You are absolutely right and a very welcome voice of reason to this comment thread."

Ooooops!

Of course, Obama is not going to say anything to further inflame the racism dialog.

I can't even imagine the indignant furor from the right radicals if the president were to publicly agree with Carter. Obama isn't stupid. He is wise to distance himself.

The reason Obama doesn't agree with Carter is because Carter is wrong, as usual.

Either that, or Obama agrees with Carter and is not telling the truth.

You can't have it both ways, Delilah.

he doesn't need to say anything to further inflame the racism dialog you people are doing just fine with that on your own

lecia, you are exactly right!

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And Dililah---Lets just agree you are judgemental also---lots of judgemental words on your blog---depends on what your source is as to how you judge your stance vs my stance on matters---I think we will just have to agree to disagree because I think we could probably go back and forth and come up with that standard arguement " it depends on the meaning of is" lol----and by the way how do you know that given the same circumstances---with the emotions running so high over a bill that will have such impact on our people and the economy--that Joe would not have shouted out in frustration when hearing something that does not ring true.I was watching the TV and yelled at the TV moments before Joe did. (and if I'm not mistaken Obama did backtrack on his statement within the next 24-48 hours)

Well Dilalah, looks like you and Jimmy Carter lost this one. Big time!

Rasmussen reports that only 12% of the American public believe that the opponents of the President's policies are racists.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/12_say_most_opponents_of_obama_health_care_plan_are_racist

While there are a number of people (21%) who are not sure, just over two thirds (67%) of the American public reject that notion.

Do you think that Jimmy Carter will now apologize for making his ugly accusation?

Given his history of false accusations and bad judgment, I'm certainly not going to hold my breath waiting!

Oh please, Mr. T,

Polls are only as reliable as the way they are worded, and they can change dramtically if there is a slight change in how the question is asked.

It all comes down to a simple truth--no one wants to admit they are racist or the country has a racist problem toward the president.

In addition to the fact that not everyone hangs on every word of media that circulates every day on TV, Internet, or radio. Some people just prefer to "sing in the sunshine."

And from where do your simple truths derive, Delilah? Please tell me how you know what is in my head and the heads of the increasing percentage of the people in this country, who are opposed to Obama's policies? How do you explain the increasing numbers? Did a bad case of racism just break out, along with the swine flu?

Or, is it not just a case of you wanting to believe, without proof, as Carter is saying that the "overwhelming portion" of the demonstrable opposition to Obama policies derives from racism?

By the way, Delilah, have you thought up a response to the fact I cited regarding Carter's utterly false charge about one million black voters being disinfranchised in the 2000 election -- the one he made in 2004 without any proof whatsoever?

Or, are you conceding that one?

tell me delilah why do you want it to be about racism so bad that you ignore anything to the contrary?

Dear rainbow,
Why were we all created %100 equal?

Well, Ted Kulongoski, remember that everyone must work hard in whatever field they choose and have a session of international cultural communications training in rememberance of me, the international symbol of music, of harmony, and of universal peace. It shows that the world is composed of diverse people, in terms of race, colour and ability. I am used by people who have different sexual orientations, particularly gays, and I am proud enough to swallow my own pride. Furthermore, Ted, I'm pretty sure, and a rainbow never forgets, that our equality is equal to our efforts to lively equally. It doesn't take a politician to justify our own dreams. There are giving trees that promote clean energy for crying out loud. There are water recycling centers that are relying on mindpower alone. A little heart goes a long ways. Some heart to get from point A to point B with a notion to keep going, a notion to resume and continue on without worry. Little heart, look up. Can't you see me stretched across the sky? Here, step on this outstretching color of your choice, and let's share stories about point C. Have you ever been there? I'll get you there on time. It's rainbow time!

But rainbow, how do expect to rendevouz and bring about new plans for recycling and eventually that solution to air polution?

patience, Ted, we're working on it together remember?

That's right. So, once I meet you at "Rainbow Station" we can continue?

You don't HAVE to believe it, we MUST believe!!! The only way we can redevouz on rainbow time is if we trust together. Our future's are our openings for the future potential in all of us to be unlocked, envisioning tomorrow with moose bumbs to reminded us that we need to remember how to remember every memember every member of the moose club.

Why rainbow the moose club?

Well, Ted, we used to talk politics, me and the moose club, and they promised to lend a hand in our street market for community reminders. And they say a moose never forgets. So weeks and weeks went by as they dealt with community issues of music shop space, supplies, and electricty they remembered something they had promised. There was no positions set for someone to operate the community reminder board so they dealt with it immediately.

Rainbow can I surf you yet?

Get our your surf board and hang 10! I'll take you to whatever point you think about along the way.

So is it true, a governor never forgets?

It's not a card; It is just something that you do have to factor in - a certain percentage of people won't like him because he's black; and he's the first black president so it's not really fair to say other white presidents were disliked by black people or latinos/hispanics.

Dililah----I think that is called the "Hallo Effect"------He lets the others do his dirty work---that way he can sit back and say "Oh, not me" Anyway---what's all this talk about a black man---isn't Obama's mother and her side of the familiy white?---I think the politically correct term is Biracial----lets start addressing all of the hatred for "Biracial" individuals----this world is so full of itself----the more we focus on what is different about each of us the further we fall into choas----how about encouraging each to be the very best we can be--regardless of their ethnicity---this is kind of like rebellious teenagers---the more you try to cram it down their throat the more they will act out---they don't want to have it "in their face" day after day after day------all of this talk about racism---Diliah are you trying to cleanse your soul---is there some transference here?

"Reply By Changez | Dude, you're patently an idiot and know nothing; hence I am not going to waste my time."

Dud, given the obvious fact that you simply have no answers for the facts I cited above, you are apparently not going to waste OUR time either! For that much, I guess, we can all be grateful.

"Reply By macasey | 'President Obama today rejected Carter's comments' – What would you expect President Obama to say? You don't actually think that he can agree do you? He would just be labeled "the angry black man" and attacked even further! Get real!"

Well, on this point, macasey, I’ll simply say that I acknowledge your candor in conceding that, in your opinion, the President was lying when he said that Jimmy Carter was wrong about what he said.

Regarding your second response comment, above, beginning as follows:

"To Trochilus-

President Carter established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and made good on a long-standing American promise to return control of the Panama Canal to the Panamanians . . ."

First, macasey, let me point out that plagiarism is a very serious offense. It appears that you have copied that entire chunk of material in "your" response to me above, WORD FOR WORD, from a post, put up in 2006, on the website of the Academy of Achievement, located here:

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/car0bio-1

None of it – not one word was your own, but you represented it as if it was.Secondly, the material you copied was not in any way responsive to the points I had made, which, frankly, does not surprise me. If you are incapable of writing a response on your own, you are incapable of understanding the initial point.

And thirdly, the "point" made at the end of the material you lifted – that Carter has published 20 books since leaving office – is (like all the lifted material) not only irrelevant to the point I made about his race-baiting tendencies, but you may also be surprised to learn that his latest book, "Palestine: Peace, Not Apartheid," is considered anti-Semitic in tone by many, AND it comes highly recommended by none other than Osama Bin Laden, as previously noted by CookieCutter.

You can read all about it here --

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/bin-ladens-reading-list-for-americans/#more-30319 –- on The Lede, at the New York Times, in a piece entitled, "Bin Laden’s Reading List for Americans," by Sharon Otterman and Robert Mackey. Just don’t copy it and post it somewhere pretending that you wrote it!

Gee, macasey, Osama Bin Laden is hardly the "expert" I’d want to have touting MY books!

And let me point out that calling someone an idiot is a far greater offense than someone listing facts in an opinion field!

As for this comment - "the material you copied was not in any way responsive to the points I had made" Really? I thought that each answer was spot on and directly answered every one of your remarks!

I'm still waiting for you to respond to all the links and facts I provided concerning your remarks on President Obama.

I guess it's easier for you to go on endlessly about "plagiarism", the listing of FACTS in a comment field then to respond to a counter argument.

"macasey" . . . hmmmm, let’s see – would you be the writer, "Marie Casey," who published the above two paragraphs, beginning

"Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who has been characterized by conservatives as a “Dr. Death”, discredited claims . . . "

as a portion of a commentary the Washington Examiner on August 16, 2009, in a piece entitled, "Health Care Reform - Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich against the programs they praised" in the middle of which these exact words (above) appear?

If you ARE Marie Casey, would you please explain why so many other comments you have posted on this thread are taken word-for-word from other sources, without any attribution given by you?

For example, see my sourced (linked) comment, below, about the post, put up in 2006, on the website of the Academy of Achievement. You posted that comment here as if you wrote it. You did not write it.

And if you are NOT Marie Casey, would you please explain why you copied a portion of Marie Casey’s commentary, above, PLUS why several other comments you have posted here are taken word-for-word from other sources, without any attribution?

For example, read this "catchy" phrase in another comment you posted without ANY attribution –-

"Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber."

Maureen Dowd wrote that exact phrase in her recent column, entitled "Boy, Oh, Boy!" . . . not you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13dowd.html

Large portions of the rest of that post here were lifted directly from Dowd’s column as well, such as this phrase:

" . . . belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced the true claim of a black woman that was the daughter of Strom Thurmond . . ." which is in YOUR comment word-for-word, without attribution.

Also in her column was the litany of names she claimed Obama has ostensibly been called. Here is how you put it . . . without attribution, as if you wrote it:

". . . efforts to paint our first black president as a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi that would kill old people, a snake who would indoctrinate kids — is racism!"

And here is what Maureen Dowd said in her column:

" . . . efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race."

Nearly identical. She wrote that, not you -- unless you are Mo Dowd. If you are not Dowd, in my opinion, that is plagiarism, pure and simple.

Why are you taking credit for it? Who are you?

Delilah, is there not a rule on this site prohibiting plagiarism?

Yes, I am Marie Casey. And yes "Health Care Reform - Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich against the programs they praised" is my article!

On Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel - these are his words from an ABC interview that he did! Note the quotation marks!

On President Carter - Do you expect me to memorize every accomplishment the man has ever had? Give me a break!

You spit out opinion that has absolutely no basis in fact; I go find the facts, facts that back up what I already know! Facts that are readily available to anyone that bothers to check!

Maybe you prefer Fox Noise. In the future I will provide you the links! The links to the facts that contradict everything you say.

By the way, you might want to get a life!

Dude, that is some paranoid shit. Comments don't need to be original, even if copying them does show a lack of intellectual fortitude, but your inept lack of knowledge comes from spewing everything you hear on tv rather than knowing anything for yourself. That's aside from being stinted and ideologically biased.

Here is just the latest macasy copying I have found:

Wesley L. Janssen, on Amazon, nearly three weeks ago, here :

http://www.amazon.com/review/RF7MHZZZ0FDZW

Carter " . . . is a man with a healthy curiosity, an engaging mind, and a moral/ethical compass not controlled by prosaic political polarity."

macasey, here, only 22 hours ago:

"Carter is a man with a healthy curiosity, an engaging mind, and a moral/ethical compass not controlled by politics!"

macasey, do you have any original thoughts? Do you have any original ways of expressing those thoughts?

Do you not see the irony involved in swiping another person’s work to describe how "moral" someone is? Have you no shame?

Still waiting for your response on plagiarism at this site, Delilah . . .

Is there a copyright violation when macasy lifts large chunks of material and posts them here without attribution? That doesn’t sound like "fair use" to me! The one I just cited above is not just one inadvertent instance, Delilah. I know you have said that macasey has been raising "many good points" but, as it turns out, many of those are not his/her points.

This is your post, Delilah. Are you going to allow plagiarism to go on, just because someone is backing up your point – with others’ work?

Ditto on what I just said above!

Lame. Oh, by the way you forgot to explain stealing Maureen Dowd's recent column!

I have not read Maureen Dowd's article. And you have obviously not read what I said above. Here it is again-

"Health Care Reform - Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich against the programs they praised" is my article!

On Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel - these are his words from an ABC interview that he did! Note the quotation marks!

On President Carter - Do you expect me to memorize every accomplishment the man has ever had? Give me a break!

You spit out opinion that has absolutely no basis in fact; I go find the facts, facts that back up what I already know! Facts that are readily available to anyone that bothers to check!

Maybe you prefer Fox Noise. In the future I will provide you the links! The links to the facts that contradict everything you say.

Mr. T.

You are so far off base on the whole "plagarism" thing that it would be laughable if you weren't being so smug and adament about it.

There's absolutely nothing in the Allvoices terms of use that says that the comment feature is under strict copyright laws. These are "comments", not published articles that require an attributed by-line or attribution to quotes and links.

Most people use their own words to rant and rave at each other, but if people paste in someone else's words to expedite making their point, whether they agree with me or not,so what?

Since you obviously have spent a huge amount of time today being the "copyright" police, you need to get a life, because you seriously have too much time on your hands.

God bless Jimmy Carter, a great American. If you don't know why, you never will. I completely support his comments on race. Funny, the fair and balanced Republican Party does not have one person of color in the Congress or the Senate. Hmmm?
JerrySatire
www.Lampoon.net

Really? Nothing? Then what is this in the Allvoices "Terms of Use?"

"Copyright Infringement

Allvoices does not permit copyright infringing activities and infringement of intellectual property rights on its Website and Allvoices will remove all Content, User Contribution, User Report and User Submission if properly notified that such content or User Contribution, User Report and User Submission infringed on another’s intellectual property rights. Allvoices reserves the right to remove Content, User Contributions, User Reports and User Submissions without prior notice.. . . . "

Once again, as I have documented above in this thread, several of the comments put there by commenter "macasey" are copied either in whole or in part from the work of others, thus constituting plagiarism, and perhaps a copyright infringement, as a violation of "fair use".

You cannot just take someone else's copyrighted material and present it elsewhere as your own work. The brazen copying done by commenter "macasey" includes lifting from the work of NY Times columnist Maureen Dowd, and book reviewer for Amazon, Wesley L. Janssen, as well as others.

Mr. T,
The terms of use pertain to All Contribution, User Report and User Submission--but doesn't mention a thing about the comments submitted, so would suggest you cool your jets.

But, if you are seriously concerned about copyright infringement on Allvoices, believe me; you would have a field day, because the practice of copy/paste without attribution is rampant.

I have reported copyright abuses repeatedly to the community manager. They finally terminated the account of farhat96, who was a prolific copy/paste abuser. He even copied the report of another Allvoices report verbatim, and put it under his account.

So, if you and other people here are concerned about copyright infringement, why not spend time focusing on the real abuses that go on this site every day.

Come to think of it, Delilah, you really should consider that when you undertake to agree with Jimmy Carter and call an emerging majority of the people in this country "racist" you really need to learn to spell the word correctly!

Check out your title -- "Former president from the south, Jimmy Carter, says animosity toward Obama is rascist"The word is "racist, NOT "rascist."

Don't quit your day job!

Hey Trochilus - You spelt Naivete wrong!

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Oh, Mr. T, you are so clever,

The word I was going for was "rascism" not "racist". I didn't notice the typo, so thanks for your sarcastic rant. It has been duly corrected.

This is such a typical tactic by the ignorant; throw out a vicious and scathing bunch of unpalatable and unconfirmed 'facts in as vociferous a voice as possible, so that it sounds like you're screaming on-line, and then deflect the topic of conversation on to something totally irrelevant and meaningless because it makes them seem observant and ethical, even though there is no issue whatsoever. The question here was is Jimmy right, or is Jimmy a retard and so far T has only managed to scream louder than everyone else and assume he's somehow proved a point; give me one credible fact you troglodyte and then we'll see.

Deflect the topic, Changez? Hardly! Plagiarism is a serious matter, no matter what you say. It has to be confronted.

And expressing silly views on a subject that you know nothing about can only make you look foolish.

You obviously know little or nothing about Jimmy Carter, or his history. Please go back and read what I wrote before about his making utterly false accusations about disenfranchising minority voters in 2000. It was a vicious lie, intended to stir up racial discord. It is exactly what he is trying to do again. Read about his insistent and idiotic support of Robert Mugabe. Those are facts. You did not have to live through the Carter Presidency. We did! He had no clue what to do, and at one point he even began suggesting that it was OUR fault!

And now, please read about his personal record in Georgia on the subject of race, as laid out by Hans von Spakovsky at the link I posted here and in a comment below. It will open your eyes.

Here:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTViNzM0ZmUxOTdhMzU3MDYyZmIzNTdlNWFkMWVkOTc=

"Rascism?" As in what language? The word is "racism."

And, it was hardly a rant, Delilah! I'd say it was more like a quip.

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Well, Mr. T, I apologize, because my spell check actually says that both rascism and racism is correct. It has been duly corrected--again.

But I am serious about the copyright infringement on this site. When I noticed that farhat96 had lifted an entire piece from annehart, I asked AV management why the "copyright search" didn't catch it when he posted it and I never got an answer.

If you notice people posting 30-40 reports a day in polished English, when they can barely write a single line on their profile or in an e-mail asking you to become their fan--that is a red flag. I have reported several people and the only one that has been booted off so far was the farhat96 fellow. It hurts the credibility of Allvoices.

Hey Trochilus- aren't you from New Jersey?

One in three New Jersey conservatives think Obama might be the anti-Christ. I bet you're one of them.

http://washingtonindependent.com/59514/poll-one-in-three-new-jersey-conservatives-think-obama-might-be-the-anti-christ

Is that your dog or did you "borrow" that picture? Ha!

Oh please, macasey, no wonder you specialize here in plagiarizing other peoples' work!

When you try to branch out on your own, you immediately demonstrate you can't even get simple numbers right! You have deceitfully lumped together those who say "Yes" and those who say "Not Sure." That is intellectually dishonest.

And, you did not cite the poll itself. You cited from an article in the "Washington Independent" cherry-picking left-wing findings from an otherwise interesting a poll that was done by Public Policy Polling.

The poll itself indicates a number of very strange beliefs on the part of SOME likely New Jersey voters, across the board. For example, fully 21% of voters across the board either believe (9%) that Obama is the "anti-Christ," or are not sure. Even among Democrats, 13%, as per your formulation of the numbers "think Obama might be the anti-Christ." Again, you cited your combination of those who say "Yes" and those who say "Not Sure."

Demographically, the largest percentage of those holding that strange belief is among those who identify themselves as Hispanic. For example, 24% of those in that poll say "Yes" Obama is the anti-Christ, and 19% say "Not Sure."

And, here is another interesting finding in the poll. Among Democrats, 32% are believing "truthers" and 19% say "Not Sure," for a combined total of 51%. I’m sure you will explain that insane belief to us. It’s the "Van Jones" Crazy Brigade! Fully one third of New Jersey Democrats believe President Bush had "advance knowledge" of the 9/11 attack. And another 19% of Democrats say they are not sure.

So, explain those numbers! And tell us, Miss Plagiarizer -- do you count yourself among those harboring such an obviously crazy belief?

You cited the poll through an article about the poll by an organization that claims to be "A Center for Independent Media" – called "The Washington Independent." Independent? It is anything but independent! It is a left-wing rag. A quick check of their "funders" shows they include George Soros "Open Society Institute" –and that other well-known bastion of "independent" thinking, the Streisand Foundation. Ha ha! Wait! Let’s not also forget Teresa Heinz Kerry’s own favorite leftie moneybags group, the "Tides Foundation!" Or, Ted Turner’s "Better World Fund."

Yep! Real "independent" thinking there! And check out their blog roll – if they had a softball team, they would have 25 volunteers to play far left field, and no one willing to play anywhere near right.

Where do you get your nerve, asking if I may have "borrowed" someone else's work?

You have been caught red-handed taking copyrighted work from others, and presenting it here on this thread as if you wrote it!

Did you write to Maureen Dowd to apologize for copying from her column yet? How about the book review of Carter’s book by Wesley L. Janssen? And, did you send your regrets to the folks who did the website at the Academy of Achievement? Did you apologize to them? No?

Now, I said before, there was MORE that you lifted from others and posted on this thread.

Here, macasey, read this sentence:

"Ask yourself: If the nation was really under threat of an imminent attack, would U.S. officials be concerned with developing a marketing plan for getting people behind the war effort?"

It was written by Jacob G. Hornberger and posted on the website of the Future of Freedom Foundation, in a piece that was published on October 23, 2006.

Now, you should read this following sentence:

"Ask yourself: If the nation was really under threat of an imminent attack, would U.S. officials be concerned with developing a marketing plan for getting people behind the war effort?"

You posted that sentence here, in a comment above in response to CookieCutter.

Sound familiar? It should! The two are absolutely identical. Either you recently changed your name from "Jacob G. Hornberger" to "Marie Casey," or you copied and pasted it in this thread, and pretended you wrote it.

By the way, that comment even prompted Delilah, who posted this "story" to write a comment thereafter and say to you:

"Macasey, You are absolutely right and a very welcome voice of reason to this comment thread."

Looks like she should have written that compliment to Jacob, but you posted it as your own, and thereby stole the credit.

What does that make you feel like?

More material from the sentences in that post are very similar to sentences written by him and by others, but I won't waste your time with the details -- YOU KNOW where you lifted them from!

So, as I asked you once before, do you have ANY original thoughts? Do you have any original ways of expressing your thoughts?

And, Delilah, are you going to take back the compliment, and send substituted notes over to Jacob, Maureen, Wesley, and the Academy of Achievement?

Or, are you going to continue to engage in the lie that it is okay to steal others' work and present it, as long as the person doing it is supporting YOUR argument?

The comment about the picture of the dog and the New Jersey poll were meant to be funny; it was a joke. I could care less about these things. You don't appear to have a sense of humor.

What's interesting is that you did not respond to any of the counter arguments I gave concerning your remarks on President Obama. I provided you with all the links to back up everything I said.

You prefer to rant endlessly about plagiarism in a comment field - it's actually pretty hilarious! I'm sure that when and if you respond, you will continue to ignore all the links I provided that clearly show your opinion on President Obama has no basis in fact.

Concerning your comment by the author of this article - "Macasey, You are absolutely right and a very welcome voice of reason to this comment thread." This was in response to MY WORDS (note the quotation marks around what Obama said) ----

John McCain joined Barack Obama in calling for a surge in Afghanistan. Remember?

"The central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was," said Obama, who has claimed combat brigades needed to battle the Taliban have been diverted to Iraq and vowed to take the fight to "Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan." Remember?

The reality - the country doesn't support the effort anymore and there's no "winning". But this does not erase the fact that Afghanistan was yet another complete mess left for Obama to deal with!

And LBJ took all the blame for Vietnam too.


Again, it is interesting that you did not respond to any of the counter arguments I made concerning your remarks on President Obama. You seem to prefer to attack people. Perhaps this is easier for you than defending your opinion.

i am still waiting for someone to tell me....was obama lying when he said he didn't agree with carter? and don't give me "he said what was best for the nation" because then we have to get into the conversation of when is it ok for a president to lie to the nation and who decides it is the right thing to do and if he is lying this time to protect the nation how many other lies is he telling for the same reason...and if he is willing to lie to protect us from ourselves then how can we trust anything he says.....how do we know he is not lying to protect us from ourselves every time he speaks?

lecia,

I am sure you understand that in framing your latest response, above, the way you did, that you were employing logic. Those who, like Jimmy Carter and his enablers posting here -- including Delilah, macasey , and others -- will not ever acknowledge the inescapable logic. They are too invested in their emotional reaction by perpetuating a vicious lie -- that those who oppose the President are all racists.

The author of this post can’t even spell the word, but somehow, she knows millions and millions of Americans are driven by racial animus!

What was the old joke sign? . . . “Sixx munths ago, I cuddent evun spel salzemun. Now, I are wunn!”

These folks -- including Carter – have thereby proven that they are little more than haters who are willing to accuse the vast majority of those opposed to President Obama's emerging radical and irresponsible agenda, of being predominantly motivated by race. And, they do so without a moment's hesitation!

They will quickly point to one or two signs at a tea party with 1.5 million people in attendance, and scream "racist!"

When the President disagreed with Carter, and when the Rasmussen poll proved that the American people were not buying into any of that nasty rubbish either, the answer by the enablers here was that the President "had" to say that!

So the trap was set, you sprang it, and these folks all fell right into it! But right now they are in the denial stage.

Your point was the obvious one . . . either the President was lying when he said Jimmy Carter was wrong, or, he truly believes that Jimmy Carter -- and his enablers here -- are wrong. So they cooked up their "he had to say it" excuse.

The irony is that if that risible explanation -- that "he had to say it" -- is true, it destroys one of the foundations on which Mr. Obama's candidacy was based. He insisted that we Americans need to move beyond partisanship, and beyond race, and he pledged to be transparent and post-racial.

So, you are right. If Obama was lying about this, then how can anyone ever believe anything he says again?

But, lecia, surely you know are not going to get a logical answer from this crowd? They are too heavily invested in their hate-filled emotions to recognize how ridiculous they sound. And to the extent they are in denial about it, they will keep hitting their heads against the wall, no matter what!

I think I’m going to just sit back and enjoy the show!

Deliah,

Perhaps a new "spell-checker" is in order?

As for this:

"When I noticed that f******* had lifted an entire piece from annehart, I asked AV management why the "copyright search" didn't catch it when he posted it and I never got an answer.
. . .

I have reported several people and the only one that has been booted off so far was the f******* fellow."

Well, I guess that means that you will be promptly reporting "macasey" then? I mean, really! Lifting the work of Mo Dowd! And Wesley L. Janssen! And the website of the Academy of Achievement Wow! How low is that for a liberal? But I know you have been busy trying to make this untenable racism argument fit somehow, even though you didn't know how to spell "racism!"


macasey, welcome back! I see you were out lying low there for a while. As usual, you are making an unwarranted accusation about me without anything whatsoever to support it. The justifiable accusation I made about you was absolutely true. You lifted several passages from others, and pasted their work into this thread as if it was your own work.

What say you about that? And now you admit that you are Marie Casey -- a "published commentator" -- or should I say polemicist?

Tell us, what is your excuse for swiping the work of several others?

Anything written on the web, as a comment, or in a blog, or elsewhere, is the intellectual property of the author; nobody has the right to cut and paste it and by the lack of attribution, make it appear it is their own.

Plagiarism is the most disgusting offense against anyone who writes or creates, and the people who engage in it at any level, are lower than scum.

For those who may foolishly continue to believe that Jimmy Carter has somehow been some sort of paragon of virtue on the subject of race, I commend to you the following piece entitled "Jimmy Carter's Race Problem," and just posted Friday on NRO's The Corner by Hans von Spakovsky.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTViNzM0ZmUxOTdhMzU3MDYyZmIzNTdlNWFkMWVkOTc=

It begins:

"When former president Jimmy Carter accuses the opponents of Barrack Obama’s policy of nationalizing broad aspects of our economy and spending us into bankruptcy of being 'racists,' perhaps he should look in the mirror. In his 1982 book, Keeping Faith, Carter disingenuously said he 'was not directly involved in the early struggles to end racial discrimination.' No kidding — in fact, he directly and unambiguously supported segregation. When Carter returned to Plains, Georgia, to become a peanut farmer after serving in the Navy, he became a member of the Sumter County School Board, which did not implement the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision handed down by the Supreme Court. Instead, the board continued to segregate school children on the streets of Carter’s hometown."

It goes on to fill in the blanks on Carter's personal pockmarked record on the subject, and lends an important perspective to understanding his current overstatements and accusations on the subject. Please read the whole thing. It contains valuable insights into why this worst of our modern Presidents insists now on so broadly and falsely accusing others of racism.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913971-2,00.html

"As a member of the school board in segregationist Sumter County (Ga.) from 1955 to 1962, Carter was regarded as "liberal" by other board members, yet went along with policies that blatantly discriminated against black pupils and teachers. But he also fought—unsuccessfully—to consolidate the county's schools and thus integrate them"

"These episodes have cast longer shadows with white Democratic liberals than with blacks, many of whom understand the conditions and atmosphere in which Carter grew up and launched his political career. Referring to Carter's outspoken opposition to discrimination, Andy Young says: "In Sumter County you could literally get killed for saying the kind of things Jimmy did."

KEY POINTS -
"Carter's outspoken opposition to discrimination"

“But he also fought—unsuccessfully—to consolidate the county's schools and thus integrate them"

“blacks, many of whom understand the conditions and atmosphere in which Carter grew up”

"In Sumter County you could literally get killed for saying the kind of things Jimmy did."

To say that Carter is or was racist is ridiculous. Most of us can only imagine what race relations were like in Georgia in the late 50's and early 60's. He's lucky to have not been shot! Amazing how we try to re-write history and forget important detail, just as some have now forgotten the events and detail of September 2008.

Two more notes on this "nationalizing" bull - here's a reminder of Obama's view on "nationalizing" car companies -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzRfCztcI8

The money spent in Iraq to date would have paid for the health care reform that is now being proposed!

I would like to see all the seniors at that protest on DC give up their Medicare! The Medicare provided by Democrats!

Go check these words for plagiarism! It appears you're an expert on plagiarism but have a really poor grasp of the events of last fall and why they happened!

"Barrack Obama’s policy of nationalizing broad aspects of our economy and spending us into bankruptcy"

The Facts (also listed above under your earlier comment)

Apparently you have forgotten the events of last fall. Obama inherited an economic disaster, courtesy of Bush 43 and previous administrations that were compelled to lift every single regulation including Glass-Steagall.

The 2009 Economic Stimulus Bill was pronounced needed by almost every single economist in the country. Many agued it wasn’t enough.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/28/ftn/main4688594.shtml

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2009-02/2009-02-15-voa18.cfm?CFID=294398283&CFTOKEN=75507205&jsessionid=de30cde297e356d64b1c137b475276795572

Large sectors of the economy were radically altered last fall as the economy began crashing under George W. Bush!

REMINDERS -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA

Bush 43 September 24th, 2008 - “How did our economy reach this point” and “most economists agree it happened over a long period of time”

How soon we forget!

I recommend this article - "Carter is often maligned unfairly"

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4170999-carter-is-often-maligned-unfairly

macasey,

You said above,

"I have not read Maureen Dowd's article. And you have obviously not read what I said above."

You may not have read the whole thing, but you had no hesitancy to copy what she published, and present it here as if YOU wrote it!

Here is the entire comment you posted above, three days ago:

"Joe Wilson belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced the true claim of a black woman that was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the segregationist.

Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the chamber.

Wilson is a racist. Do you think he would have called Hillary Clinton a liar? By the way, it's the same health care plan she wanted.

Wilson is the liar! He was never an immigration attorney. He has never been anything but a real-estate attorney."

As I clearly established above, large portions of this comment, posted by you, were lifted word-for-word from Maureen Dowd's column.

These are my words –
Wilson is a racist. Do you think he would have called Hillary Clinton a liar? By the way, it's the same health care plan she wanted. Wilson is the liar! He was never an immigration attorney. He has never been anything but a real-estate attorney.

I wonder if you realize that you just made my point! You prefer to rant endlessly about plagiarism in a comment field than respond to the links I provided that clearly show your opinion on President Obama and President Carter have no basis in fact.

If you think I'm going to be intimidated by your anal rants, you're in for a long wait!

Macasey,

Pointing out and confronting a plagiarist is not being anal. It is an obligation writers owe one another. Somehow, you now seek to make me the bad guy for calling you out on it and posted the proof of it above.

For example, I noticed you didn't re-post the first two grafs I quoted from your prior comment, just above! That is because you copied and stole those words from Maureen Dowd.

Where do you get your nerve calling me names?

You present yourself as a "professional" commentator on the Seattle Examiner! The most unprofessional thing a writer can do is intentionally steal the work of others. Sometimes it may happen that a writer inadvertently and accidentally mix a sentence or two of someone else's work in with their work -- or, that is the excuse they use.

But you took several entire sentences, word-for-word, from others and posted them here, as if it was your work! That is stealing. And you won't just own up to it and admit it, but seek to turn it around on me.

Why would anyone ever believe anything you said, including your latest polemical and twisted views about what I have written? You haven't answered any of what I've written, including the idiotic and false accusation made by Jimmy Carter about the so-called one million intentionally disenfranchised voters in the 2000 election. Jimmy Carter wouldn't know the truth if he fell over it. And with his segregationist past, he has a lot of nerve accusing others!

You, meanwhile, have lost any credibility you ever had by swiping the work of others in order to try (and fail) to make your case here.

Here is an example, from PBS, of how Doris Kearns Goodwin explained the situation, and how she dealt with it when she got caught having, in a few instances, published passages that someone else had written.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june02/history_1-28.html

MARGARET WARNER of PBS chronicled Goodwin's response to the situation when she got caught and had to reach a monetary settlement with Lynne McTaggart when:

"the Weekly Standard found 'dozens' of passages strikingly similar to those in three other books, including Lynne McTaggert's 'Kathleen Kennedy.'"

Goodwin's response to the PBS questioning:

"DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN: I absolutely believe professional standards for historians need never be sacrificed in popular history. I love footnotes. I think they are actually a pointer to historians of the future, and it's critical to credit the people who have plowed the fields before.

What happened in my case was, 15 years ago, in my first big work of history-which covered 900 pages, 3,500 footnotes, everything longhand-- my technique of citation proved not to be foolproof in the end. I used to take notes on the books in longhand, mark passages for quotes, and also write my running commentary on the story line along with them, use those notes to write the draft, and at the very end would recheck every one of those 300 books to make sure the quotes were accurate and make sure the citation was right.

Somehow, in that process, a few of those 300 books did not fully get rechecked. There are citations all along the way, but some of the phrases should have been in quotes rather than simply cited.

MARGARET WARNER: Goodwin explained why she paid one author, and insisted on confidentiality.

DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN: When I was told by one of the authors, McTaggert, that some of the phrases of hers had appeared in my work, I just felt so bad about it. I was more than willing to authorize the publishers to settle with her on a monetary basis and keep it confidential so it wouldn't have to be before the world that I had made this mistake, and somehow 15 years later it has now come back."

In other words, Goodwin was contrite and quite ashamed of what she had done. And, she insisted that it was an accident, not intentional such as your offenses, above!

To compare plagiarism in a book or an article, particularly by a well-known author, to the content of this comment field is about the most asinine thing I have ever heard. The only reason you are doing this is because you cannot answer any of my responses to your so-called facts.

YOUR WORDS - “Where do you get your nerve calling me names”?

I DID NOT CALL YOU A NAME. I would like to, but I have not. You however insulted someone in this comment field - you called them an idiot.

Concerning this: "You haven't answered any of what I've written, including the idiotic and false accusation made by Jimmy Carter about the so-called one million intentionally disenfranchised voters in the 2000 election"

I HAVE ANSWERED. LET ME DO IT AGAIN!

“Florida's 'Disappeared Voters': Disfranchised by the GOP”
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010205/palast

“Black Voters in United States Disproportionally Disenfranchised”
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0126-28.htm

“The Re-Election of Jim Crow: How Jeb Bush's Team is Trying to Steal Florida Again” by Greg Palast
http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-114.htm

We may never know exactly what happened but to say, "he was repeating what was one of the biggest, most venomous lies of modern socio-political history", is ridiculous and at the very least an exaggeration. I would say that your words more accurately describe the lies of George Bush and Dick Cheney.

SUMTER COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD-
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913971-2,00.html This article says in part -

"As a member of the school board in segregationist Sumter County (Ga.) from 1955 to 1962, Carter was regarded as "liberal" by other board members, yet went along with policies that blatantly discriminated against black pupils and teachers. But he also fought—unsuccessfully—to consolidate the county's schools and thus integrate them"

"These episodes have cast longer shadows with white Democratic liberals than with blacks, many of whom understand the conditions and atmosphere in which Carter grew up and launched his political career. Referring to Carter's outspoken opposition to discrimination, Andy Young says: "In Sumter County you could literally get killed for saying the kind of things Jimmy did."

KEY POINTS -
"Carter's outspoken opposition to discrimination"

“But he also fought—unsuccessfully—to consolidate the county's schools and thus integrate them"

“blacks, many of whom understand the conditions and atmosphere in which Carter grew up”

"In Sumter County you could literally get killed for saying the kind of things Jimmy did."

To say that Carter is or was racist is ridiculous. Most of us can only imagine what race relations were like in Georgia in the late 50's and early 60's. He's lucky to have not been shot! Amazing how we try to re-write history and forget important detail, just as some have now forgotten the events and detail of September 2008.

YOUR WORDS -
“engaging in a stubborn pursuit of policies that seek to radically alter large sectors of the economy without justification”

MY ANSWER -
Is health care reform one of the “radical” changes that is not justified? Let’s take a look at just a few facts –

“Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year, one very 12 minutes, in large part because they lack health insurance and cannot get good care”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32882064/ns/health-health_care/

“Health care costs main cause of personal bankruptcy”
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1439

“As of 2007, there were an estimated 25 million underinsured adults in the United States, up 60 percent from 2003”
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2008/Jun/How-Many-Are-Underinsured--Trends-Among-U-S--Adults--2003-and-2007.aspx

“Cost of Employer-Provided Family Medical Insurance Rising Quickly”
http://www.insureme.com/insurance-news/20090917/cost-employer-provided-family-medical-insurance-rising-quickly
etc., etc., etc., etc.

YOUR WORDS -
“including engaging in out of control spending”

MY ANSWER -

Apparently you have forgotten the events of last fall. Obama inherited an economic disaster, courtesy of Bush 43 and previous administrations that were compelled to lift every single regulation including Glass-Steagall.

The 2009 Economic Stimulus Bill was pronounced needed by almost every single economist in the country. Many agued it wasn’t enough.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/28/ftn/main4688594.shtml

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2009-02/2009-02-15-voa18.cfm?CFID=294398283&CFTOKEN=75507205&jsessionid=de30cde297e356d64b1c137b475276795572

Large sectors of the economy were radically altered last fall as the economy began crashing under George W. Bush!

REMINDERS -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA
Bush 43 September 24th, 2008 “How did our economy reach this point” and “most economists agree it happened over a long period of time”

Obama on car companies-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJzRfCztcI8
“making radical and inadvisable appointments”

YOUR WORDS - “making radical and inadvisable appointments”

MY ANSWER -

Many of these “radical” appointments were people that worked in the Clinton administration.

And as for Van Jones – Glenn Beck is an idiot! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eva-paterson/glenn-becks-attack-on-van_b_271518.html

Jones led a campaign prompting major advertisers to withdraw from Glenn Beck's program. No more needs to be said!

The list of “radicals”-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/cabinet/

Here are just a few of the many miserable appointments by the Bush Administration –

Former Interior Secretary Gale Norton is focus of corruption probe
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-norton17-2009sep17,0,6215749.story

Michael Brown Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html

“Brown's lack of experience in emergency management isn't the only apparent bit of padding on his resume, which raises questions about how rigorously the White House vetted him before putting him in charge of FEMA”

Tragic Appointments and Advisers in the Bush Administration
http://www.knowthecandidates.org/ktc/BushGang/BushTragicAppoints1.htm

Top Scientist Rails Against Bush Appointees
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/21/AR2008112103359.html


YOUR WORDS - “exhibiting a dangerous naivite in foreign policy”

MY ANSWER -
In just a few months President Obama has practically erased all the incredibly dangerous practices of the last administration on foreign policy. Remember the “axis of evil”?

“Obama's Popularity Lifts U.S. Global Image”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8155223&page=1

“European support for American foreign policy has quadrupled since President Barack Obama succeeded George W. Bush”
http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/local_news/European-support-for-Obama-foreign-policy-soars--_56204.html

“North Korea seeks direct talks with Washington” – 8/19/2009
http://www.france24.com/en/20090819-north-korea-seeks-direct-talks-washington-bill-richardson

“Iran agrees to US nuclear talks” – 9/15/2009
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b437dc90-a18e-11de-a88d-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

“U.S. President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev concluded a series of agreements Monday -- including one on nuclear arms reduction -- as part of a broader effort to strengthen ties between the one-time Cold War rivals”
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/obama.russia/index.html

YOUR WORDS - "They fear for the future"

MY ANSWER -
If "they fear for the future" it is because "they" are watching too much Glenn Beck! I would suggest the same thing a smart Republican recently said at his Town Hall –“TURN HIM OFF”!

FINALLY -
I will point out again that calling someone an idiot is a far greater offense than someone listing facts in a comment field!

I had been waiting and waiting for you to respond to all the links and facts I provided concerning your remarks on President Obama and President Carter.

I guess it's easier for you to go on endlessly about "plagiarism" then to back up your opinion with fact.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-200909171653tmsbpresstt--m-a20090917sep17,0,333195.story?obref=obnetwork

Bill Press -

"But, believe me, there are also a lot of people who refuse to accept Obama only because he's black. I know. I receive ugly, racist emails from them every day in response to my own support of Obama. They don't hesitate to use the "N" word, and they're not shy about signing their own names"

"At least, they're proud to be racists. In a sense, they're more honest than many other Obama-haters who are just as racist, but pretend not to be. We saw them at Sarah Palin rallies with monkeys bearing Barack Obama bumper stickers. We saw them at town halls, where they knew they couldn't use the "N" word, so they called him code names instead -- "agitator," "communist," "socialist" -- and said they want to "take back America" (from the blacks?). We saw them at a recent Washington protest march, carrying drawings of Obama as a witchdoctor with a bone through his nose. I saw one of them standing outside the White House with a poster of Obama as the joker, with painted white face. We saw one of them "joke" about Michelle Obama's gorilla ancestors. We saw another one, a Confederate flag worshipper from South Carolina, shout out, "You lie!" on the sacred floor of the House of Representatives"

"No racism involved? Get real. One thing for sure: Joe Wilson would never have shouted out the same remark -- to a white president"

"One thing for sure: Joe Wilson would never have shouted out the same remark -- to a white president"

where did you get your crystal ball?

This was a quote from Bill Press - see above

Saturday Night Live on why it might have been a problem for a Southern, white, confederate flag waving Republican to yell out "you lie" to the countries first black president - http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/

here are just 100 of the names bush was called...if he were black would you would be saying that "Smirky the Chimp" and "George of the Bungle" were racist?......

Smirk, George of the Bungle, Dubious, The Lyin' King, Boy George, Junior, Commander-in-Thief, Spurious George, George W. Butcher, LoserBush, Dumbya, DUHbya, George Putsch, Scurrilous George, Bushwacker, Bush II, King George II, His Fraudulency, Bush Baby, Oaf of Office, Mini-Bush, "*", *, Mona Loser, Giggles the Clown, President Reject, UnPresident, Drinky McDumbass, Whoosh Bush, Prince Snippy, President Select, Duh?bya, Ersatz DumbShrub, Resident Putsch, President* Bush, Twiggy Bush, Resident Bush, StumbleYa, King George the Turd, Shrubus Illegitimus, Dubfus, Sniffy, ?President?, Bushware 2.0, Bushbrat, "President", Beelzebush, The Son King, His Royal Fraudulency, Embarrassment-in-Chief, The Perp, Flubya, Our Beerless Leader, Our Foundling Father, Quayle II, Duh President, [sic] Bush, DWIbya, Bushit, Bushwacker, Ambush, Bogus W. Potus, Rotus, George the Lesser, His illegitimacy, Humpty Dumbty, DoubleDay, Bush League, Great Pretender, Supreme Choice, G. Whizz George, Dead Brain Talking, D. Dubya I., The English Mauler, The English Patient, Our Encephalic Emperor, Pediatric President, Lyin' Scion, Pre$ident, Presidunce, Presidence, DoubleScrewed, Gridlock George, Your Accidency, George W. Gump, The Rain Man, Dubious Dubya, Smirky the Chimp, :Pretender-in-Thief, Poppy's Puppet .

http://www.thefoxnation.com/pete-stark/2009/09/15/flashback-pete-stark-d-calif-calls-bush-liar-house-floor

.....Pete Stark called President Bush a liar on the House floor... Twice... In the same speech.

was this racist?

I appreciate the point you are making. But I would respectfully argue that the country was lied to about the WMD in Iraq; I believe most of the country agrees with this. Even people in Bush's Administration have "come clean".

I watched the video, and I don't think that speech on the House Floor compares to what Joe Wilson did during a Presidential speech televised to millions. I'm not aware of this type of behavior in modern history.

What one says to Bill Maher on his comedy hour is hardly comparable to shouting down the President in front of millions. More importantly, President Obama spoke the truth! The reform bills does not allow for coverage for those in this country illegally. Will some of them manage to get coverage? Sure they will! But the President does not allow for them to be covered and does not include coverage in the reform bills that are being considered.

My understanding is that part of what Joe Wilson is advocating would be close to impossible to enforce. As many have pointed out, you can't expect people in an emergency room to have to prove their citizenship, and hospitals would clearly not ask people to do this. There are in fact signs posted in some hospitals stating that they will take care of anyone in need of help.

We'll surely have a debate on what can be done to stop resources from being used by those in this country illegally. I think you will find that Republicans and Democrats will be in full agreement on stopping this abuse. But to call the President a liar in front of millions was completely out of line. Joe Wilson admitted it was a mistake and that he would never do it again.

"President Obama spoke the truth! The reform bills does not allow for coverage for those in this country illegally."

Since there is nothing in the bill, currently, that requires verification of national origin, exactly how would illegals be stopped from registering? Currently, any illegal who wanted to register, could do so, because there is no vetting process. Obama knows this. Obama is a liar.

The bills being considered all specifically state that coverage will not be available to illegal aliens. Will some of them get coverage through fraud, sure they will! Should there be added protections making people prove their citizenship, maybe. But to say that the President is a liar is outrageous!

Emergency rooms across this country will see anyone that walks through their doors. I don't see people in this country illegally running out to pay premiums for an insurance plan but if they really want the insurance they will obtain the forged documents necessary to do so.

Immigration and fraud and all the other issues pertaining to this topic should be debated but to scream out in front of millions that the President is a liar is ridiculous and rude beyond belief. It seems that Joe Wilson was more fixated on discrediting the President than getting to the heart of a problem, a problem taken up in another venue, not during an address to the nation by the President.

George W Bush burns in effigy (Washington DC)..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HINhfkQAz1g ......

was this racism? was this hatred? was this "respect" for the presidential office?

As I said above, I respect what you are saying but I would argue that these actions against Bush were not just from people on the "Left" in this country, they were from people around the world. Bush was hated around the world. When is the last time you saw someone throw shoes at a President? It's been predicted that our 43rd President might just end up the most hated President of all time.

Many speculate that much of the policy was in fact from Dick Cheney and if this turns out to be true, history will be kinder to Bush 43. I must say that I liked his comments on Sarah Palin that were recently released; assuming they were true.

so are you saying since the majority of people didn't like bush that all of the things said against him were acceptable but since the majority of people like obama then no criticism of him is allowed? so we only respect the office of the president when someone you like is in office?

You will find that some will criticize President Obama on issues such as his Administrations slow efforts to regulate the markets and on the Afghanistan war. These are just two legitimate arguments and there are plenty of facts to back up these criticisms. President Obama is the first to say that healthy debate is welcome!

But much of the criticism aimed at Obama has no basis in fact and a minority of Americans have gotten all the attention. Many conservatives have spoken out about how legitimate arguments are lost because the focus is on stupidity like "death panels" and "Birthers" and other such nonsense that is meant only to frighten the ignorant. Most in this country and most around the world look at this bull and think we're all a little nuts! What is lost? Legitimate debate is lost.

I am suggesting that much of the criticism aimed at President Bush, such as lying about WMD, was legitimate and had worldwide agreement.

Because President Bush was accused of lying about WMD (respected opinion), this does not mean that calling the current President a racist is ok! Calling Bush “Hitler” is not ok. The name-calling is worthless and has no place in legitimate debate; this is why I said I agree with your central point.

where do you get the idea that the actions against obama are just from one labeled section of the population? take me for instance....i am an independent...i am not "right or "left" or a racist or an angry mob or any of the other derisive or divisive labels that are hung on people there days...i voted for obama...but that does not mean i like or believe every word that comes out of his mouth …

I am not saying that criticism against President Obama is just from the "Right". Tune into a liberal radio talk show on any given day of the week and trust me you will hear plenty of criticism aimed at President Obama. Liberals question everything; they’re faithful to their ideals not a Party.

I am saying that the extreme vitriol, name calling, and ridiculous accusations are all coming from the "Right"- 100% is coming from an obnoxious small group of people on the "Right". No one but the extreme "Right" thinks that this President is a racist or the anti-Christ. This type of criticism shuts down all legitimate debate.

This is the scary group that President Carter is talking about, a scary group of people that justify their horrible actions in the name of God and country. The loudest voices of protest have a Medicare card in their wallet and collect a Social Security check each month, benefits all provided by Democrats and voted down by Republicans for generations. It is this type of hypocrisy and complete ignorance that Democrats object to.

You don’t have to agree with the way the President is going about achieving health care reform, but to be blind to the big insurance company lobby or favor their agenda over the well-being of the ordinary American is not being a “good Christian”.

So we should all be debating how or even if we need health care reform, but to call this President a Nazi because he wants reform – that’s the extreme “Right” and that’s who President Carter is refereeing to. He wrote an entire book on the subject – “Our Endangered Values”

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

here is a sign at a protest that reads "kill bush" burn the white house"...."i'm here to kill bush"......

john kerry in an interview with bill maher


Maher: You could have went to New Hampshire and killed two birds with one stone.

Kerry: Or, I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.


how is that any different than what rex rammell said?

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macasey, below is a key portion of your statement, above, when you were talking about the "extreme" Right::

"This is the scary group that President Carter is talking about, a scary group of people that justify their horrible actions in the name of God and country."

And here is the key portion of what Jimmy Carter actually said to Brian Williams, as quoted from this post above:

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man," Carter said. "I live in the South, and I've seen the South come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that share the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African Americans."

In other words, you are wrong in trying to now minimize what Carter was saying.

Jimmy Carter said that the "overwhelming portion" of animosity to Barack Obama's policies is racist. And Jimmy Carter is just plain wrong. Many of you agreed with him in your comments, posted above, including the prime poster, Delilah Starling.

The vast majority of those of us who oppose many of the policies of Barack Obama will simply not sit still for Carter, or Delilah Starling or you, macasey, trying to get away with calling us racists. That is why we have called you all out on this post. As I pointed out with the cite to the recent Rasmussen poll, above, the American people reject that ugly characterization as well.

Your opinions, are your opinions. Cling to them, if you wish! But you are wrong.

Continuing to paint the people who oppose Obama with the racism tag will only piss people off and make it that much harder for him to get reelected, so if that's the route they want to go, so be it.

I think it's just hard for some people on the left to realize that many of us dislike Barry-O because we think he's stupid and incredibly inept. He could be black or white, but neither, unfortunately, would make him any smarter or more effective as President.

Well, now apparently even Jimmy Carter doesn't agree with himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5ZN6Ishw8

Will the real Jimmy Carter please stand up?

As for the rest of his apologists on this thread, you should have known better than to try and defend the indefensible.

Have fun under the bus!