Joe Wilson Will Not Apologize To Congress

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What he did was completely wrong and very rude. However, I don't think it's such a big deal that he isn't going to apologize to congress since he already apologized to the individual who he interrupted and lashed out on. His actions directly effected the President at the time, which is why Obama is the main person who he owes an apology to. Hopefully he learned from it, and this doesn't happen again.

I disagree with the fact that Obama was the more important to apologize to. The Congress is more important. Though both are owed the apology.

The venue was Congress. The President was a guest at Congress, at the House. The President was addressing the American people when he was interrupted. By an accusation that is untrue.

There are traditions of Congress that were broken with that accusation. A protestor at a town hall has a right to express themselves, but there are procedures, you should wait till it's your turn to speak.

Though obviously that does not happen in this topic of discussion.

A member of the people's Congress, disrespected the President. The people deserve an apology. An apology to people's Congress is a good way of apologizing to the people.

Joe Wilson needs to apoligize to the people as well as Obama, not just Obama.

But at the end of the day, he interrupted Obama, and inappropriately spoke when Obama was addressing Congress and the rest of the nation. Perhaps he owes both an apology, but his actions directly effected the President at the time.

Get over it.

Joe Wilson spoke for many Americans who feel the same way. You Lie, Continues to lie wahtever..

Democrats need to get off their moral high ground and put a muzzle on Nancy Pelosi and other memebers of her party before lecturing anyone about being polite.
It all goes back to the Media not doing their jobs. If they were out there asking tough questions on policy instead of kissing up to this President & White House we would have more of the facts.

Bush was heckled and booed in similiar situations in the Congress on many of his speeches.

Joe Wilson, stand by your convictions and keep opology to yourself.

I am an independent voter and I rarely contribute to political campaigns. But Mr. Wilson of the Carolinas has inspired me to donate. Donate to his opposition! He is the latest spectacle in the decline of American politics and the rule of civility in this country. He is just another loud mouth (one of many in both parties)spewing their skewed perspectives on policy, buying into and selling outright misinformation! None of this is helpful! None of this is productive!

In a few entries on down the road here, you say, your word, "The problem with LIBs is that they don't care about this country." How is that influencing those who don't agree with you? It doesn't make me listen! It doesn't persuade! That's the mistake Conservatives are making over and over again. You are assuming that Liberals don't have as much vested interest in this nation as you do, simply because they choose not to allow you, and I'm not as PC as amalgam80, I do mean YOU dictate and bully them into policy they disagree with and will not support no matter how MEAN you and the GOP get.

I say "Shame on Joe! Shame on both political parties! Shame on Everybody! And Shame on you and will you please learn how to spell!

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4147858-immigration-concerns-raised-by-joe-wilson-and-john-boehner

that is an article I wrote on the concerns that I'm sure you have in regards to the CRS report.

Redhanded, if you got the time read it. Are there other arguments about illegal immigrants and the proposal other than the one wilson voiced? because if there aren't then Wilson has nothing to be worried about.

amalgam80,

I was one of the first contributors on this site to read all 1018 of HR 3200 when it came out. I wrote about this on one one my reports if you care to look.

The CRS reports you refer to are critical in arriving at the conclusion that illegal immigrants will be covered. I've read those as well.

My remarks here are for the most part things I feel are not being covered by the mainstream media.
I do have a lot of evidence on the things I write about and which you refuse to accept.

Why are you and many of your liberal allies willing to give our country away to people who break our laws bloat our government and place a financial burden on future generations? Do those things mean a hill a beans to you?
Why should I stand idly by while this administation is releasing terrorists into our neighborhoods?
Why should I stand by and watch Acorn take Billions in government grants to aid & abet in breaking laws. Did you watch the video yet? or is that not allowed to be shown on MSNBC?

The problems with Libs is that they don't care about this country. Thye do not have anything vested in this country. The question that no Libe has been able to answer since I have been writng on this site has been, If you don't like this country, if America is such a bad place, if America discriminates against certain groups, if our healthcare is broken etc....Why do you still live here? Venezuela or cuba are not that far off...

This is the only time in modern history in which if you dare to be critical of a President you are considered a racist...It is amazing how sensitive Libs have become.

Yeah he spoke up for many Americans, and he and the many Americans were wrong.

Obama was not lying, read the proposal before you criticize it. And as I recall it wasn't Pelosi that needs the muzzled, I believe it was Joe Wilson who made the outburst. Or do you deny that too, with your great revisionism.

And if you can't read the proposal, I've read it and I've written on it.

I've also read studies of the proposal. Maybe you would like to debate the proposal, once you know what's in it.

The Republicans quote the CRS report a lot, why don't we discuss that?

Have you read that?

Have you read anything that wasn't in the loony-left-hating-media you only pay attention too?

Is there any evidence ever to the bogus statements you spew on this site about the healthcare reform? Do you have anything besides, "liberal bad, conservative good"? "Liberal liar, conservative Patriot".

death panel: lie
birthers: liars
illegal immigration in the health bill: lie
Gov.Sanford: Liar

I will debate any of the points I or You have brought up, if you can bring sources to the discussion. Not just what your gut is saying.

No one is expecting him to apologize for his opinion. Every one is entitled to their own thoughts. People expect him to apologize for lashing out like that during the President's speech. It wasn't his time to speak, and he didn't represent Congress well by yelling out his comment barbarously.

Doesn't matter what opinion he has; he has no manners or self-restraint; he did to get attention; he has the attention; he can be happy and smug and just smile; show a little respect for your President and the arena in which he is giving his speech. Just ridiculous.

changez,

I will respectfully disagree with you on one point. It does matter what his opinion is...We both agree that the venue was not the right place. But his opinion has put the illegal immigrant topic back on the table and I think the American people have a right to know where their tax payer dollars are going. We have a media in this country that is being derelict in their duty to ask tough questions of this administration. If the end result was that a conversation was started on benefits to illigal immigrants, I can live with that.

I don't know why people have to make this a racial thing. This was clearly just a momentary lapse of judgement, and he couldn't hold his tongue. Not the best thing to do, but sometimes these things just happen.

I think the one thing you miss when you said this Red:

"This is the only time in modern history in which if you dare to be critical of a President you are considered a racist...It is amazing how sensitive Libs have become."

Things are not that simple Red. You may not be the racist. I don't think I've ever called you a racist at least. The racist remarks aimed at people, is not for Protesting. The racist remark is not for disagreeing. The racist remarks are for doing things which are race related.

You are a conservative and very proud of it. I have nothing against that at all. But you have to understand, when someone is talking about "birthers" in their articles. And then they call the birthers racist. You have to admit some of that racist remark is true. No other white President ever had to prove his citizenship. Obama's mother was an American citizen. That automatically makes Obama a natural born citizen no matter where in the world he was born, but many on your side of the political spectrum just can not take it that Obama has a right by birth to become the President of the United States.

Also, when someone talks about Glenn Beck and calls him a racist. SOme of that is true. We both know the famous remarks that started the boycott campaign against him. Obama's mother was white, a lot of Obama's friends are white. Obama's grandmother, the woman that raised him was white. Obama does not have a deep seeded hatred for white people, and to convey that sentiment is being racist. No one is attacking his right to say it, they are attacking his reasoning behind it.

When confirmation for Sotomayor was under way, her past experiences were being viewed as something that she needed to keep on the backburner. As if the Republicans questioning her were saying, since your experiences are not white experiences, they will taint the justice system, so we want to make sure you don't bring your personal history to the white justice system. When the same Republican leaders wanted past experiences to be used to determine issues when a white man was being confirmed.

There are many things white people do that they do not consider racist, one of them is just what they were trying to do with Sotomayor, but it was.

The examples I gave are part of your side of the political spectrum. And the sad thing in my opinion is that when things like this are done, or said, people from your side stand up quickly to defend the racist remarks instead of speaking out against it.

There were excuses made for Sotomayor, there were no apoligies for Glenn Beck, there was backlash against the ridiculous birhter movement. Then there were excuses for all three things. There was support for those three things.

And I don't even want to get into the racist kind of things that are said and discussed when illegal immigration is debated. Many views that you, yourself take on the topic, I'm sorry, are based in racist observation and assumptions that the many communities have. Not the whole community, but some of the people that speak out against immigration and illegal immigration.

There are many examples but I just wanted to give you a couple examples:

When a statistic is given that goes something like this, "in the year 2050 there will be the same amount of minorities in the U.S. as there will be whites. By 2055 The Latino population will have exceded white population."

That kind of stat gets an immediate "Oh my god NOOOOOOOO" kind of response from the right usually. The reason why someone may be called a racist for having that reaction is because of the reasoning, "so the hell what" that half of the U.S. population will be Latino in origin. Why is that stat used to discuss illegal immigration?

It's to shock the whites, primarily into acting on this immigration problem. And it is a problem, don't get me wrong. I know things are far from perfect in that department. But really so the hell what.

No where in that stat does it say that all those latinos will be illegal immigrants. The great majority will be legal, and citizens.

White people stopped having kids. If two white Americans get together and only have one child, you just added to the decline in the white population, because other races are having more kids.

Along with that, just legal immigration is adding color to the country. The new legal immigrants coming in are also having more babies than their white counterparts. That's why there will be more minorities in the country in about forty years. If whites want to change that, get together, have a discussion and then start having more kids.

The number of people coming from Europe has dropped, Economic condition in Europe are good enough that many decide to stay there. This is not true of the colored portion of the world, shit is awful there and they want to come here. Many are coming here legally. Less Europian immigrants, more other immigrants means, more minorties in the U.S. in forty years.

It is simple math, The minorities are not killing off the whites in this country. The minorities are not foreigner, the minorities are Americans, their skin is just colored. So the hell what if there will be more brown Americans than white Americans. They will be Americans. The minorities are not illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are illegal aliens.

That was one example...Example two.

I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood of Chicago. In my neighborhood were Indians, Pakistanis, Russians, Assyrian, Koreans, Phillipinos, Lebaonese, Slovaks, Bosnias, Crotias, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans. If you were white in my neighborhood, you were probably still an immigrant.

Most of the people there were legal immigrants, though the illegal portion was big. And many others were what would be defined in teh middle somewhere, their legality was still being decided.

The point I wanted to make based on that story is that there was no way for anyone to figure out which one is illegal and which one was legal. Not by looking at least, you had to get to know a person before you figured that out. But anti-immigration(or nativists) people lump legal and illegal together.

My neighborhood hood was pointed at many times in the Chicago news media, as a problem. The news would show scenes from my hood and point to it and say that illegal immigrants are rampant in this neighborhood. They would show a bunch of dirty looking, poor immigrants and automatically assume that because they are a different color and may look a little poor, that they were in fact illegal immigrants.

It is just not true.

When you see footage of brown people in California and then the topic being discussed is illegal immigration, and all you see is an emergency room full of brown people. You automatically assume that all those many brown folks are illegals. They are not.

There are a lot of brown folks in California, Arizona, Texas, Chicago, NYC, Miami, etc. etc. that are legal. And I mean a lot of them.

When you talk about all those immigrants filling up emergency rooms, you automatically assume they were illegal. With the colored population of the United States getting bigger and bigger, gone are the days that you can look into a room and assume all the brown folks are illegal. They probably are not.

I'm sorry conservatives the 1950s are long gone. That group of brown people in line(California, Chicago, NYC) for flu shots, majority of them are Americans, some citizens, some residents, some students, some are married to Americans, some were illegal but now are part of the naturalization process, some are illegals etc...

I'm sorry if you don't like that, but Arizona, New Mexico, California, Texas were all part of Mexico at one point or another and just because Americans won a war and got all that land because of it, doesn't mean that the Brown Mexican population that was living there became white all of a sudden because they were now considered Americans. It doesn't mean that their children will automatically be white.

Become white skinned is not part of the Naturalization process in America. Most immigrants keep their color skin for many generations.

Just because a person's skin is Brown, black, yellow, red doesn't mean they are not Americans. Just because you saw footage of a hospital waiting room in Arizona, and majority of the brown people were illegal, doesn't mean that North Dakota is dealing with that problem.

It doesn't mean that just because there are millions of illegals in California, that most of the brown people you see in Cali are illegal. Or even immigrants.

And regardless of whether it is right or wrong, if a Mexican person doesn't know English, it doesn't mean that they are illegal? Many Mexicans don't want to learn english because they get by (in their opinion) just fine without learning it.

Lumping races together can be considered racist. The illegal immigration fighters on your side of the political spectrum not only have many racist views that corrupt their opinions, but also are not willing to see themselves as being capable of being racist.

Saying that black people are better in sports, is racist. Saying Asians are all math geniuses is racist. Claiming that the sitting half Kenyan President is not an American citizen is racist. Calling the bi-racial President having a deep seeded hatred of white people is racist. Telling a Puerto Rican origined American that her experiences are not welcomed, while the past experiences of her white male counterparts are, is racist.

Covering up race based opinions, with faulty stats and flawed personal experiences, and trying to pass it of as reasonable debate, is racist.

You are not a racist, Red, but you might end up saying some racist things. Same goes for me. Same goes for birthers, Joe Wilson, etc...

I hope I haven't offended you, there was no intention of doing so in this comment. I just wanted to point out why people on your side of politics get the racist label put on them.

It does not have to do with your side speaking out against the President. It is based on the content of what is being said. And the fact that what is being said is being widely accepted without apology or evaluation. And it is also being defended.

When a Confederate flag is painted on the pick up truck of a white man that just did something racist, When a Conferderate flag is put up by my friend Angel(who went to the Citadel) on his car because he "wants to warn the blacks in the neighborhood about fucking with" him, When a Confederate flag was hung around those that were lynched, those that were beat, those that were denied their rights. When the confederate flag was used to fight a war whose major reason was the end to slavery, And the conservatives hold on to that flag for traditional reason. It has got to be asked, is that racist? What traditions, the racist traditions? State rights, what rights, the right to keep slaves? It's a statement of solidarity, solidarity to combat what, colored people?

Why is the American flag not being used to symbolize all these things? Is there something wrong with the American flag. The flag that represents all of the fifty states. Everyone in America. A flag that represents everything about America, the state rights, the traditions and value, the solidarity, the history.

The confederate flag has a very dirty history, yet many on the right defend that history as if it were the correct thing to have happened. The confederate flag was and is a symbol related to white supremacy.

The American flag is a symbol that encompasses that white supremacy history and says that we are better than that. It says that we had Conferderates in our history, but we are bigger than that. It says we are all Americans and we are not just subdivisions of AMerica.

Why do REpublicans and conservatives get called racists so often? The answer is pretty easy, someone thought you(plural) were being racist. Now back off, give it some thought, don't react right away, question your motives, be honest and if you are being racist, shut up or apologize, and if you think you are not being racist, explain yourself because something you did and said was considered to have crossed the line.

I like your points. Well thought out, well written!

As far as I am concerned, this man has already had more attention than he deserves. Let's do something novel and ignore his rude outburst. Let's pass it off to a lack of manners and breeding or perhaps he's just ADHD and cannot control himself, either way he's had his 15 minutes. It's not like he has the least amount of the insight of the men who founded this country and were smart enough to put into the Constitution of the United States of America, that he has the right to make a fool of himself.

There are also thousands of spanish and latino families that lived in places like New Mexico, Arizona, Texas etc. before they became part of the eUS and were still a part of Mexico. Many of those people still live there and have owned land for generations in that part of the south west.

I come from Oklahoma and I am always amazed at how White conservatives can so readily forget what Anglo-Immigrants did to the Native Peoples of North America. And if you go back only to the turn of the 20th century, we were clammoring about Italian and Irish immigrant populations! They came, they assimilated, but they are white! Is that the difference? If so then we must admit that there is a problem! Still...Today...I live in Texas, and I'm sorry folks, but Racism reared it's monsterous head, NOV. 5th, 2009. I was appalled by what I heard coming out of my neighbors mouths, neighbors, I call friends, who call themselves Conservative and "Christian". If that is what being conservative is all about, I'll take the Democratic Party...and I'm an INDEPENENT. The more the Right pushes, the farther Left they push me and I'm not easy to push!

My feeling is that those of us who stand in the middle need to stand up and shout at the extremists, "SHUT UP! COMMON SENSE, NOW!" and take back our country. Joe Wilson is a symptom of what is really broken in this country, common civility, mutual respect (that's you Redhanded!) and a diaglog that is not hurling angry rhetoric and exaggerated accusations at one another. I say let us get a life and move forward instead of stagnation and stalemate.