If Hawaii were to secede, would Obama still be President of the United States?

COnsidering that Hawaii was part of the Union when Obama was born, I think he would get to keep his seat as President.

I believe tht Obama will still be president, because if in any case it will only happen now, if it happen before his term, then there is the problem.

But what if it turns out that Obama was born in international air space - while en route to a secret landing strip in international waters off the coast of Africa? And then what if it turned out the plane had departed out of New York, but was closer to Africa than NYC when Obama was born?

Ah, what then?

lol, mom is still a U.S. citizen, therefore her child is considered U.S. citizen, unless of course he renounces the citizenship. I've never paid attention but did his dad ever become a U.S. Citizen? If so then both parents are citizens, therfore child is citizen.

You've got me really worried now!!

Ok now this is getting old to say the least. No matter how many people try to say Obama is not a US citizen it will be overlooked anyway. People just don't really care. My personal view of this, is that I do not believe he was born here but my opinion means nothing anyway it is only my view. The government wanted him there so let's just talk about more important issues like health care, the war and all the other things that affect us directly. One last comment, if your child is born here but you are not a USA Citizen and I mean born here or take the right path become a citizen you are not a citizen. It does not make a difference if one of your parents are born here. YOU NEED TO BE A CITIZEN HERE !!!!I am so sick and tired of the citizen thing they keep trying to change the rules ...My ancestors are European and they went thru the right channels to become legal citizens here why can't everyone do the same then we would have to waste time on this issue.oops there are gonna be people upset with me but you have to remember I have the freedom of speechI do hope I did not offend but there is always one in a bunch of bananas out there

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It may be getting old, but it's not going away. U.S. District Judge David Carter today ruled that the lawsuit to force President Obama to produce his long-form Hawaiian birth certificate can go forward. The next hearing is Oct. 5 on a motion to dismiss. If the case survives that, the pretrial hearing will be on in January of 2010, with the trial to begin two weeks later.

Please clarify. You wrote:

One last comment, if your child is born here but you are not a USA Citizen and I mean born here or take the right path become a citizen you are not a citizen. It does not make a difference if one of your parents are born here. YOU NEED TO BE A CITIZEN HERE !!!!

This doesn't make any sense, or rather, it makes perfect sense if taken literally.

A) You say that if your child is born here but "you" are not a U.S. citizen, then

B) "you" are not a U.S. citizen

C) unless "you" are born here or take the correct path to become a citizen, otherwise "you" are not a citizen.
No argument from me on any of that, but what does that have to do with President Obama's citizenship? His mother was a U.S. citizen.

He was born in Hawaii, a U.S. state. So are you saying that because his father was not a U.S. citizen, he isn't either? You have not upset me. I am glad you are using your freedom of speech. I would be even happier if you thought through what you were writing, but first things first.

If we are ever really to satisfy this question, we have to define what "born" means. Is a child "born" when he wriggles out of the uterus, or is he born when he first achieves consciousness?

I have friends who underwent life-changing experiences -- smoking pot, losing their virginity, meeting William Shatner -- who said "I was never really alive till now." Were they "born" then?

It may take years to sort all this out.

uh the LAW says that if one of your parents is a citizen and no matter where else you were born in the world, you are a citizen. That is the LAW, of the United States. So even if Obama was born in Kenya, in Russia, in Antartica. The fact that his mom was a U.S. Citizen makes him a U.S. citizen by birth.

Also, I don't know if this is still true or not, but was true when I was younger...if someone not born in the U.S., gets their citizenship from the U.S. Government before they turn 18, they are considered a Natural Born Citizen.

I don't care what you wish the LAW regarding citizenship was. You are an Automatic citizen of the United States of America, if one of your parents is a Citizen, period.

Produce all the fake and real Kenyan birth certificates you want. Obama is still a Natural born U.S. Citizen, it is the LAW of the United States of America, because his mom is a U.S. citizen.

And I know all this because I am an Immigrant that went through the naturalization process and became a citizen when I was 16. When they taught us stuff like this in school, unlike my counterparts, I paid close attention to the Laws governing the naturalization process and the citizenship process.

I'm Sorry, unless you go about trying to prove Obama's mother is not a citizen, no birther has any kind of case against Obama's presidency. So Says the LAWS that govern this nation.

You are stuck with a President that is half Kenyan, might have been born in Kenya, but still is a U.S. Citizen. And YOUR President.

Even if you tried to change the laws now, it's too late to get Obama out.

These kinds of laws are the reason the U.S. can go into Saudia Arabia and take children away from their Saudi parent, if their U.S. Parent wants the child back in the U.S..

Because even if the child was born in Saudia Arabia, the child is considered American and the government has the power to go in there and "rescue" them from the Saudi "oppresion".

I don't think it would matter because Andrew Johnson was born in Tennessee yet he was still elected vice president of the Union during the Civil War.

Good point, jdangjenn. I hadn't even thought about that.

thank you for all your comments on this issue.
I do have enlight some of you on a fact when my grandmother went back to Ireland for a visit with my grandfather they had visited there for a couple weeks. My grandmother was not going to be let back into the usa due to the fact she never became a citizen here which she was under the impression she was since she was married to my grandfather (both born in Ireland) she was stuck in Ireland for over a month. Even though she was married to my grandfather who became a citizen here she was not automatically a citizen.
That is what my point was trying get across. It is not right for someone to just come here and expect to be a citizen without going thru the proper channels. My grandmother had to go thru the entire proceedure to become a citizen in usa. Lived here most of her life had all her children here and yet not a citizen
The system needs to be overhauled and people need to make sure they do what is right to contribute to our country
One last thing I enjoy the contribution from Punditty you make me smile
One statement you made had me thinking though, yes Obamas' mother maybe a citizen but my question is "did she really give birth to Obama here?" If she gave birth in another country then Obama would be a citizen of that country not the USA. Yes there is a birth certificate which people are questioning if it is real or not. I do know that fake ones can be made so easy these days I am not saying that it is fake just keeping an open mind on the subject
I just want to thank Punditty for keeping my mind in thought and I hope that Punditty has a great weekend
Peace to you

GREAT question, Punditty, a real poser for Constitutional scholars to chew over for probably generations to come. I checked as soon as I read your article and the Constitution makes no mention of the possibility. To me, that means the issue is up in the air.

I suspect that this is one of those situations wherein the only way to resolve the conundrum is to have it occur; i.e.: that a state secedes from the union while there's a sitting president who was born there.

Also without a doubt, it would have to be decided in a court of law.