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Glendale : CA : USA | 2 months ago  
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For decades now, the media and a vocal minority have stood in the way of numerous things a solid majority of Americans support.

Take gun control, for example. For 40 years now, polls have shown that somewhere between 70 and 80 percent of Americans would support registration and licensing for gun owners.

But the gun lobby -- the powerful National Rifle Association -- and a solid bloc of people who will vote just on that one issue have kept anything from getting accomplished.

The same is true in the present health-care debate. Many polls have shown that 65-70 percent of Americans would favor a single-payer, government-run health care system. Even folks who have insurance don't trust that insurance to be there for them if they need it in a major way.

But a small but solid majority -- along with a right-wing media more concerned with preserving unfettered capitalism than health care -- has kept the idea of single payer from even being on the table.

It'll be something of a miracle if the bill that comes out of Congress even has a public option, although competition from the government is the only thing that could keep the big insurance companies honest.

Part of the problem is that people who are in the majority don't even know they are. If you listen to any of the right-wing whack jobs on talk radio, you'd get the impression that their views are widespread. But even the audience of 15 million or so claimed by the biggest show, Rush Limbaugh, is about 5 percent of the country.

One of the few controversial issues on which there really is no consensus is abortion. The country is pretty well split on this one; an awful lot of people who don't like the idea of abortion still don't want the government telling women what to do with their bodies.

You want to tell how small a vocal minority really is?

I'll give you a good way to measure it. The louder they are, and the more outrageous their claims are, the less likely that they have either the truth or a majority on their side.

Death panels? Not so much.

Confiscating all the guns? Not so much.

It would be amazing what we could accomplish in this country if people bothered to be a little better educated before they vote. Who knows? They might even demand that their candidates tell the truth.

Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Not so much.

Reality, what a concept.

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Posted By firesisle firesisle | 2 months ago
Or maybe if they read different polls...*lol* You can find polls today to support any viewpoint you want to espouse; The NRA isn't the Mafia; if they didn't have wide spread support, they wouldn't wield the political clout they now enjoy. Politicians only fear groups who have popular support.

It would be nice if criminals and terrorists were as conscientious in following gun control laws as are most liberals and progressives; they'd buy their guns legally, and go through the background checks, and waiting period, and the guns would be registered. When they committed a crime, the police would just look them up in their database, and drive right over and pick them up. What a country! And without guns, well it's just that it's so hard to rob somebody with just a nasty look on your face and your hand in your pocket... darned inconvenient if you ask me. Yep, we just need to pass more laws!

I also think it's ironic that so many of the people who rail against guns, have no problem with the tons of pot that are smuggled into the US every year, even though the ones who smuggle it also smuggle automatic weapons, cocaine, and heroin and bring them in just as easily. How is it possible? Don't they know there's a law? Don't laws stop those things? Of course, maybe some of them don't inhale... it's only illegal if you inhale. I guess it's like sex; it's all a matter of perspective and detail to create plausible deniablity.

"It would be amazing what we could accomplish in this country if people bothered to be a little better educated before they vote. Who knows? They might even demand that their candidates tell the truth."

By golly, I was telling myself exactly the same thing the day after election day in 2008; it's probably too much to hope for though.
Reply By Changez Changez | 2 months ago
Your reply is full of vague and amorphous platitudes like 'politicians only fear groups with popular support'. The simple fact is a majority voted Obama into office, whether other people like it or not. And no matter how stupid, that's the beauty of it all, majority rules.The difference between Pot and guns is that pot doesn't kill with one toke.

I just find the majority of your arguments to be of the old boy school of thought, but what you old boys need to realise is that pot is the bourbon, liberal is the new republican and nobody in the US of A gives a damn about what the old boys think anymore; the sad part is you brought it on yourselves by voting for the most capitalist people you could find; the problem of excessive capitalism is inevitably that when you're poor and old, nobody gives a damn. So you can complain all you want, but the country is in the hands of the MTV generation now, and they don't care about your opinion., which is probably why you're on this site in the first place.
Reply By lecia lecia | 2 months ago
"but the country is in the hands of the MTV generation now"

lol...you are really delusional if you believe that
Reply By Changez Changez | 2 months ago
Lecia, the majority of voters in the US are now aged between 23 and 34. That is the MTV generation. Lame - yes. but true.
Reply By firesisle firesisle | 2 months ago
Changez,

The same majority could vote him out, because election results don't guarantee continuous support on all issues, and frankly his halo appears to be slipping; I have no problem with pot; I'd prefer to decriminalize all drugs for adults; people should be responsible for themselves. You make a lot of assumptions; let me set you straight.

As a professional musician for the last 40 years, I'm a member of the sex, drugs, and rock n' roll generation. I dropped acid for breakfast, and shot crystal to take the edge off, and smoked pot the rest of the day. I left the recreationals behind about 16 years ago(I figured staying perpetually stoned for 26 years was probably enough), but I don't moralize about what anybody else does. Pot is still pot, and bourbon is still bourbon, and those who choose to indulge in either do so with my blessings. Frankly, I could teach the "MTV generation" a trick or two; from what I've seen, they're pretty mild in comparison...*LOL*

You missed my point; criminals don't follow laws, so laws don't deter criminals. Any country that allows literally tons of cocain, heroin, and pot(and thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens) to cross their borders every year, has literally no possible means of keeping weapons out of the hands of criminals. I just think the average citizen should have the same opportunity.

Concealed carry laws in the US have been shown to deter violet crime; in Colorado where I live, it's gone down markedly as the population continues to increase. To get a concealed carry permit, you have to attend training, so you're not just some dumb-ass cracker with a gun.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass who really cares about my opinions... I just like to exercise my right to express them, same as you or anybody else.

"The difference between Pot and guns is that pot doesn't kill with one toke."

Guns don't kill people; stupid people kill people; guns are just one of many convenient methods of doing it. Far more effective methods,for killing in mass, are available at any corner grocery store.
Reply By Changez Changez | 2 months ago
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Posted By lecia lecia | 2 months ago
Many polls have shown that 65-70 percent of Americans would favor a single-payer......

uh would you mind supplying a link to these polls?
Posted By Ross1776 Ross1776 | 2 months ago
Mike, I'm sure California now has a single payer plan in existence for catastrophic care and know that it does...so why the spin?

And where did you get your figures that 70% of the people favor a public option at the federal level in any manner whatsoever.

And as a liberal, why don't you start initiating then the Constitutional Amendment that then would be placed before the people to prove your theories that it is 70% of the people that want this FEDERAL public option when that really is a state function, and as such the states more accountable to the people for their expenditures?

And why is it that so many people have left California progressively over the years and invaded Arizona due to its lower taxation and costs, while now also bringing their liberalism with them so much so that Arizona is now facing the same problems that California is, because of all those California refugees Arizona took in due to agendas such as your own?
Posted By Ross1776 Ross1776 | 2 months ago
And as far as gun registration and licensure, don't you think that the real criminals will get a gun anyway, and this type of legislation actually is directed toward the responsible gun owners, and will have absolutely no effect at all on the criminal element.

Are you truly as naive and misinformed as you sound, or is this just another spin?
Posted By Ross1776 Ross1776 | 2 months ago
Protecting the middle class? Not so much with Obama, I would say. And since Bush and Obama were and are both liberals, I'd like to know what you definition of a right wing whack job is. Since there is no right or left anymore at all. Both Bush and Obama are global socialists, or hadn't you noticed the words "global economy" that have been used for the last several years. Not American economy. The global economy.

Which is what both are and were protecting. Sinced the Federal Reserve is owned by the Rothschild London banking houses. Are you unaware of that? That it is the British that actually own and run this country, and it doesn't matter how you vote, since nothing really changes.

That's why, although Obama ran as the peace candidate, last month saw the highest number of deaths in eight years since this war began. And it is still going on, or hadn't you noticed.

Or does the real truth and reality scare you?
Posted By Ross1776 Ross1776 | 2 months ago
But I do agree. Limbaugh is a liberal, and as such he is also one to watch. Since he isn't any "right wing whack job," he is simply another liberal.
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