The Rise of Nuclear Tension

I'm not for anyone having nuclear weapons, but if one country can hold nuclear weapons, why can't another?

I agree with the first half of your sentence and would love to see a world without them at all too!

But unless that happens, a country that holds nuclear weapons itself can't (or shouldn't) expect another country not to.

The United States ceased using Nuclear weapons a long time ago and so has a record of stability and responsibility with them. The same cannot be said for countries both run by dictators who through smoke and mirrors turned pseudo-democracies into complete dictatorships. They are not accountable to their own people and they care less what the world thinks of them. They are like teenagers stuck in their years of rebellion without a cause and teenage angst. Would you let a teen hold the key to a Nuclear Arsenal? I think not!

Well - I can't agree there - but at least we got a partial agreement on the first part.Iran has pledged to wipe Israel off the map...from the mouth of the one who would give the command. His development of a nuclear arsenal is not the same.I think all countries should disarm the nukes. Won't happen - but the last thing that should happen is to allow them to get into the hands of a country pledging to actually use them.

If that's the case, then the US should lead by example. If you're standing in line to buy a product, under no circumstances can you stop the others in line from buying that same product.

I shudder to think of a return to the era of nuclear tensions. Historically, humans have used every weapon ever developed. The clock is ticking for humanity unless we can unilaterally disarm. Even further, if we really want peace, then we have to work for a more just world. Our enemies have a point of view worth listening to: "The wise learn many things from their enemies." (Aristophanes) Thanks for the research on this one, Maryann.

You do live in a fantasy world don't you? Unilateral disarmament will NEVER HAPPEN! What may happen is the deployment of a system which makes Nuclear Weapons on ICBMs useless. The only problem is people bitch and moan every time the missile defense issue is brought up.

Bryan, I enjoy hearing other people’s perspectives, including yours. After thinking it over, I've decided to honestly say: your first sentence felt disrespectful to me. Worse, it didn’t add any content to your position. Further info about missile defense systems would be more relevant. By discrediting me, your own position is weakened, I suspect, as in the old saying: “no one builds themselves up by tearing someone else down.” Peace!

MY argument was fallacious maybe but it DID have a point. People who think Nuclear Disarmament can happen in today's day and age are ignorant at best and dangerous at worst. It was a possibility when only the US and the old USSR had Nukes. Now with many countries holding the tech and even more willing to pay for it there is NO CHANCE for Nuclear Disarmament. There is no logical way you can explain to me how it would happen. In fact I doubt most people even spent the two seconds thinking about how difficult it would be with this many parties involved.

If anything the US should reduce arsenal to the amount needed to match one aggressor and keep that arsenal up to date while safely destroying the rest. Most importantly Iran needs to be kept from obtaining the technology before it is too late.

just wrote an article on this.http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4101876-looks-like-we-are-going-to-war-with-yet-another-country-nuke-talks-are-at-impassI don't know what we are going to do write4life...seems the world is going to hell in a handbasket!

Sure does Asher and good article by the way. The President is lost when it comes to international issues and domestic issues right now are his only focus because he lacks the experience on the international front.you make a good point with China - although I would say that China never was, never shall be and won't ever be an allie of the United States. Thinking it will be is hogwash.

Since we're all saying it - I tend to agree with Borderexplorer...who here can honestly say that the thousands (is it more) of nuclear warheads in the world will go unused forever? That having been said, I do not think it's a good idea for Iran to have Nuclear ANYTHING...the entire country is founded on a brutal evil sort of law, and now the leaders demand the rest of the world bow down to Islam, or Allah, or whatever (who cares) Now that having been said, it needs to be understood that US - being the hyper superpower it always has been - has created a great deal of this animosity in the world. It did bring the horrible weapon into this world, and it has supported dictators in the middle east (along with many other monsters on this planet) and has stirred an angry global population into hatred for us. We really should ALL work together to stop this $hit from happening anymore, and start reducing Nukes altogether.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org All that a madman would need is enriched uranium and the bomb is his.The United States may have been the first to use the bomb, but had they not - history may be very different. Hitler was one step behind in the development. Would he have used it? I imagine yes, and with very different reasons. I am not condoning the bombing in Japan either.That said, I would 1. love to see a world without nukes but 2. agree completely with BryanSix - Iran and Venezuala are not France and England - they are WWII Germany and a very serious threat to the entire world - not just the United States."I do not believe in a fate that will fall on us no matter what we do. I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we do nothing." - Reagan - 1st Inaugural address - before the end of the Cold War - which brought about the end of the nuclear race and stability in the world for a period of time - without the deployment of nuclear weapons.

Iran and Venezuela also have been the subject of much attack due to their oil rich status, and also the fact the Muslims also have their own banks due to their beliefs in usury free lending, which doesn't sit well with the European banking cartels that are actually the owners of the "front" in this country, the Federal Reserve banks and their branches. Which just stripped thousands of Americans of their homes.So who is the true threat and enemy, I ask you?

This country has given way to the banks many years ago - It does not take away from the suppression of these leaders over their own people though - or the fact that they would not hesitate to use weapons knowing full well the people they use them against would attack back. There is a disregard for their own people (one could say the same in the US as well) but the suppression and ability to human shield is far worse in Iran and Venezuala than here.Americans losing their homes although tragic - was a result of loose lending practices started WAY back when with Carter - the minute loans were given out using welfare as income - and fining banks for not providing enough "lower income loans" we started a ticking clock that was destined to fail.

Iran and Venezuela also have been the subject of much attack due to their oil rich status, and also the fact the Muslims also have their own banks due to their beliefs in usury free lending, which doesn't sit well with the European banking cartels that are actually the owners of the "front" in this country, the Federal Reserve banks and their branches. Which just stripped thousands of Americans of their homes.So who is the true threat and enemy, I ask you?

We were, after all, the country that developed the nuclear bomb and that "science and technology" invention just may cause the eventual demise of this nation, and appears Obama just loves the "science and technology" fields above all others. And I agree, in a nation that was intended to protect its own sovereignty and rights of its own citzens, so long as there is one nation with nuclear weaponry than it does appear that any leader of any other country (especially third world countries sitting on huge oil reserves at this point in time) would be stupid not to develop their own defensive mechanisms.To think, however, Iran or Venezuela given the huge nuclear arsenal that the U.S. has due to Reagan especially and his Star Wars program is a threat to the U.S. is really unbelieveable even if they do develop or continue with uranium enrichment activities. And Israel, due also to our undying loyalty and support which has now put this country at risk time and time again, is quite capable of defending its own turf and has also proved that since World War II. And it is the American people now who are sacrificing for Israel far too much, in even the continuation of this Middle Eastern war. If those that support Israel at the cost of the lives of their fellow countrymen have that as their priority, then why don't they move to Israel if this is their true "heart" country, after all.

Ross, you are right on the money. Forget that Israel HAS (no matter who says otherwise) violated numerous international laws...the U.S. and Britain have played big brother to them since their founding in 1946, and the amount of support weve given them through their worst atrocities has, i repeat again, enraged a good part of the third world. But theyre a big nation now, and should be able to take care of themselves. We shouldnt be sending so much f*cking support to a nation which has proved itself to be a rouge nation indeed. For those who are apologetic to Israel, then theyre either one of two things 1.) Jews who believe in that undying concept of faith and racism and biases and all that other crap. Or 2) Realize that Israel has, to a great extent, given us exactly what weve wanted: stability in the Middle East, and helped secure our "interests." It's far fetched, but we need to get new energy. And we should start cutting back our Nuke Arsenal on all nations.

Although I agree that even if Ven. and Iran were to attack their nemesis...us and Israel - they would be squashed - it would be the chain of events after that would have greater consequences to the world.

After reading Write4Life's article and all of the responses, it certainly appears The Tavistock Institute and their network of propaganda specialists, along with the good folks in Operation Mockingbird have been successful in brainwashing all of you.The actual truth is the United States represents the military division of The Empire of The City and as such has become the most imperialistic group in world history.Every other country is frightened to death of America and and is totally justified in calling us the Great Satan and an Imperial Power.The Empire of The City totally controls the military and intelligence operations of the United States, Great Britain, Israel, as well as about 180 other countries.Since they also own and totally control the mainstream media, ALL of you in this forum are thinking and saying "EXACTLY" what you have been programmed to say.I am not mad at any of you. You are all good and decent people trying to do the right thing. You have simply been deceived by the most powerful and sophisticated criminal syndicate imaginable.Remember the motto of the Mossad, which is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Listen to Dr. Michel Chossudovsky, Dr. William Deagle, Eric Jon Phelps, and visit CONSPIRACY REALITY TV where you can watch hundreds of videos for free.Hopefully, all of you have watched LOOSE CHANGE, THE MONEY MASTERS, and THE EMPIRE OF THE CITY. Yes, it is fun to contribute to a forum such as this, but it would really be more valuable to write about things the mainstream media suppresses 24/7/365.

well then aren't we lucky to have one of the enlightened elite to show us the error of our stupidity.....and all these people you named are the only ones that hold the "truth".....only you KNOW the "truth".....thanks for letting us know that the usa is the root of all evil while the rest of the world are good righteous people who just want to live in peace (after the destruction of the usa of course)...i guess if the usa was destroyed the world would live in peace?.....ahmadinejad and chavez are saints who just want whats best for their people and are fighting against the evil decadent infidels of the west who are oppressing their people, subjugating their women.

NO NUKES.

ahmadinejad and chavez are after power .pure and simple.....and the more they can thumb their nose at the usa the more power they can grab.....so look at this way....would you rather have the usa as the "great satanic super power" or iran and/or venezuela?

Lecia - I'm with you on this one and although I often find reason to agree with Bwinwright, I'm not buying the whole evil USA and conspiracy story even after hearing some very compelling "speeches." Actors - fright - fear...Iran and Veneuala are the most dangerous combination in today's world. It isn't the US - we will never nuke today - we're too politically correct and we fear what everyone says about us. We've weakened and although we may have massive strength in arsenal - we're too fearful of the UN and other nations to actually say "F" you to Iran and Venezuala.This site is loaded with sympathy to socialist agendas - there are a few who write for the USA - but most write for the changing of the USA into something much different and much weaker.

Quite aside from the fact that nuking people is a pretty awful thing to do for any reason. It's like the murder conundrum; do you kill someone just because you are afraid they might hurt you or when they actually try too? One is murder, the other is self-defence.

Are you killing someone because you are afraid the might hurt you or because......... they have said they will? Israel wouldn't even need to use nukes and if Ahmadinejad keeps spewing his mouth off, I am quite certain they will not wait for a strike first - and it will be self defence.

Gee, poor Israel. How will they be able to defend themselves? But, wait a minute. Israel already has its own nukes. Yep, no UN inspectorsallowed in Israel. [:-[JerrySatirewww.Lampoon.net

Nukes don't provide protection from other nukes; they only provide a deterrent, and only then if the attacker really cares if they live or die. If the leaders of the side initially pushing the button believe they're taking a one way ticket to Heaven, there is a problem...

Israel can definitely defend itself - that's not the issue. The issue is more of the chain reaction that occurs if ANY nation needs to defend itself because some lunatic sets off a nuke.Nukes were the worst invention of modern day.

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Theres good reason to have have extreme criticisms towards the US. And it has nothing to do with conspiracies and whatnot. Our foreign policy is horrendous and anyone saying different needs to go read a little. Every president has had their overseas adventure, and in turn killed thousands of people. Not to mention the dictators weve supported. Conspiracy? Do come on. As for living here, yeah, the country is better than others, or so ive heard. We do have our freedoms, but we are also losing them everyday. And im not a socialist, so dont try that one on me.

yeah and all other countries have never done anything horrendous and have never killed thousands of people and have never supported dictators (oh wait most of them are dictators). the usa is the only country that looks after it's own intrest above everyone else? do come on now and face the truth

It needs to be said here that when the US developed the H-bomb, Nazi Germany and Japan were also working on it; with their advanced(for the time)rocketry, they also had the means to deliver it. At the time the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese were about to launch 5 of the largest submarines of their time, each with 5 jet powered planes, on an mission to bomb the locks on the Panama Canal, effectively isolating the Pacific. If the US had waited, the war could easily have changed very quickly. At the end of the way, the Japanese had the largest and most advanced naval ships the world had ever seen. Imagine large subs that could pop up and launch bombers along the California coast, or even from the East coast, near Washington DC. The bombs were used because there wasn't a choice; the war needed to be ended quickly, and decisively in our favor.

Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that we should now not recognise what a danger these weapons are and try to behave like a mature and adult collective group; a species with some brains, rather than a bunch of idiot children with no idea of the consequences of our actions. That one bomb and the ensuing 50 years of cold-war should have taught us something.

I agree, but really, looking back a the history of the world, when has any group of countries behaved "like a maure and adult collective group"? It's not that it wouldn't be beneficial, I just don't see it happening because of all the trust issues...As long as nukes can be hidden, nobody will readily agree to disarming...

Wouldn't it make more sense for the 5 major nuclear powers to sit down and decide how to go about reducing their arsenals and then engaging in diplomacy with the moral high ground in hand to convince smaller powers to eliminate their nuclear arsenals with the eventual aim of a nuclear weapons free world. Unfortunately, the military's of these major and minor countries are like boys with toys; can't see the forest for the trees.

It makes sense on paper, but in reality the only thing that's kept us out of another World War was Mutually Assured Destruction. As long as nobody can win, nobody presses the button... stressful, but since nobody really feels they can trust anybody else, it's all we have... as sorry as that is...

As long as people feel it is only possible on paper, no one will ever have the conviction to get out on the street, or make that phone call to a congressman or write that article to tell others, inspire and let leadership know that a nuclear free world is what we want. Can you imagine how less stressful life would be not living under the threat of constant death and destruction at a moments notice? And stress is the leading cause of heart disease and other related illnesses. I am not arguing for utopia, only that we at least try for peace honestly and not end up as sad, sorry examples of a species that almost made it but couldn't hack the technological adolescence.

Unfortunately, the turnover in national leadership, both here and abroad is always assured, and one never knows what the future will bring. Even a completely disarmed world would only last as long as the current leadership at that time, and nothing could be guaranteed;I prefer to let the future of my country and my people be determined by constant vigilance and an overwhelming retaliatory capability. Anything else, however laudable, is, I think, unrealistic in the international community which is wrought with terrorists, fanatics, and lunatics, at all levels of responsibility and control. As far as stress goes... I don't stress it at all. Everyone dies; when it's my time, it's my time. I'm fine with it.

You are not taking into account a major point - that being - in a world with people who are dragged away in the middle of the night and shot - thrown in pits - and burned for political views - it will never occur across the board.

Therefore it will never occur - period.

You can want peace all through the world - and I may too, but it becoming a reality will NEVER happen. I'm not trying to sound mean - I am just saying that I personally would NEVER advocate for the complete distruction of our arsenal with people like Chavez and Ahmadinejad who would pop up like a wolf in the woods with a nuke the very second the last ignitor were clipped off.

It's the nature of the beast - we built it and now everyone else will too and the world will forever await the madman that send the first one out - or they will strike with other forces to make sure that never happens and the ability to send one off is destroyed.There is NO Utopia.

Some American conservatives want Israel to 'shock n' awe' Iran with or without nukes. America can 'shock n' awe' Venezuela with or without nukes. Of course, our energy corporations hope no nukes are used. They want to get at all that OIL. [:-[
JerrySatire
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They don't need all that oil. Google Lindsay Williams. You'll be glad you did. Of course it blows the whole war for oil theory all to Hell, but that's life. There's already more oil than most of the Middle East combined, already drilled and piped on Alaska's north shore, and more that is waiting to be tapped. There is no dependence on foreign oil in the US; it's a scam. It lets the oil companies allow OPEC to keep oil artificially high, so they quadruple their profits.

Sadly, you and Lindsay Williams miss the point. It's not about a lack of oil, it's about who develops, distributes and controls the oil. AFTER our invasion, Halliburton, Exxon Mobile and British Petroleum wound up with NEW contracts in Iraq. "Mission accomplished." Today, OUR energy corporations want to build an Afghan oil pipe line, not because of a lack of oil, but because of profits.
JerrySatire
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Obviously you didn't read much of what Williams has to say, which doesn't surprise me, because you just don't get it. They already have more oil, readily available, without a war or any type of international action. War for oil is stupid, if you already have more oil than you can possibly pump and sell, and the oil magnates are NOT stupid.

Oil won't do you much good if your clawing your way out of rubble after another 9/11. Won't happen? Keep that head in the sand... literally.

I can only assume you want America and Israel to do something [attack?] about Iran And Venezula, ASAP.
I believe that would be a world - wide error and if it happens, you may have to keep YOUR head in the sand....literally.
JerrySatire
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I think Israel is a sovereign nation, as is Iran. If Iran wishes to produce nukes, they have that right. If Israel chooses to wage a preemptive strike in the name of their national security, they have that right as well.

I want the US the keep out of it;

Jerry said:
"If Iran chooses to wage a preemptive strike in the name of national security, do they also have that right?"

Of course they do... they're a sovereign country; they can do whatever they want, as long as they're willing to accept the consequences. Same for any other sovereign country.

"Again, it's NOT about oil, it's about Exxon Mobil - Halliburton - British Petroleum - Hunt Oil getting contracts to develop, distribute and control the oil.
OUR energy companies want the CONTRACTS to build an Afghan oil pipe line, and DISTRIBUTE and control the oil
for......PROFITS. Why is that concept soo hard to understand? Today, our energy companies have NEW CONTRACTS in Iraq. Hello?"

What's your point?

If Iran chooses to wage a preemptive strike in the name of national security, do they also have that right? Again, it's NOT about oil, it's about Exxon Mobil - Halliburton - British Petroleum - Hunt Oil getting contracts to develop, distribute and control the oil.
OUR energy companies want the CONTRACTS to build an Afghan oil pipe line, and DISTRIBUTE and control the oil
for......PROFITS. Why is that concept soo hard to understand? Today, our energy companies have NEW CONTRACTS in Iraq. Hello?
JerrySatire
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Nope - I don't think that at all - and you should look up what the say about ASSUMING something. I would not condemn Israel for protecting themselves. I do not sympathize with Iran or Venezuala and I am baffled by those who do.

I'm lost as to what your plan is to stop the lunatic countries [ Iran and Venezuela ] from setting off nukes?
You don't want to bomb, soo, what should we do?
JerrySatire
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9/11 was not only allowed to happen for the advances of the political party known as neo-conservatism AKA Nazism, but it was brought upon us by our own doing. Just a recommendation - perhaps you should brush up on a little Chomsky, or Michael Klare...theyll certainly tell you about all those wonderful presidential doctrines put in place since Truman. The ones that say "give the Middle East Dictators as much arms as they need to secure OUR oil reserves." Basically. There's no way for the conservative crowd to get out of this one, they've instigated a lot of these problems from day one. That includes Liberals (I am NOT a liberal, I'm an individual) Now it's time for the US to try and clean up our mess by killing as many towelheads as possible...good choice. What ever happens to supporting secular democracies in the Middle East, exercising diplomacy and coming up with new energy sources, even Nuclear?? This reign of US imperialism has to stop somewhere, but I'm afraid the whole Bombs & Jesus crowd just will not allow it. Just like Jesus taught...killing, stealing...right?

Red Wolf - 9/11 was NOT an American "plan" and we did not bring it and someone you choose to read about does not mean it is true.

No one should blame 9/11 on Americans - especially, other Americans. That's just a warped mind. You don't have to agree with what happened but a terrorist attack like that is not brought on by anything but hate.

One 11-9 and everybody goes mad. We've been dealing with terrorist attacks over here for decades. Please just grow up.

Excuse me Changez....but that's totally a silly comment - I don't tell people who harbor ill feelings toward terrorists that caused the collapse of 2 towers in NYC to grow up. Should we tell a child left without a parent that because it's been happening in the Middle East for decades - we should grow up? We haven't been dealing with that for decades - and we didn't bring it into our world either no matter what an idiotic American might say. One 9/11 is enough for me. You can keep them.

a) Did you read my article about the Republican party? Please take a look and tell me what you think. There are some changes I want to make though.

b) You have not mentioned what your view is and why.

Dude, I've said it before and I'll say it again; there were reasons for it, it was not mindless nor was it without purpose; it was a planned and strategic attack by people who felt aggrieved, rightly or wrongly, and who believe they are at war with the United States, representing what they feel is a nation, again rightly or wrongly. It was not an attack on freedom, it was not out of envy of the US, and it was not out of hatred or to destroy the US. It was, and their war is, to achieve certain military strategic goals that they have enumerated, like the removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia. Whether the US should remove those bases etc or why they are their is another question. But recognising who these people are and what they want is important, because you then recognise that they are people, not mindless mass group of zombies and that they are intelligent an trained or educated. Then one can begin to fight them in earnest. Blanket generalisations like 'they hate our way of life' achieve nothing and only simplify a complex issue, allowing simpletons to control the response, like Bush did. A more nuanced and broader approach would probably have yielded real dividends right now, like the capture of Bin Laden an the stabilisation of Afghanistan.

By grow up, what I mean to say is recognise these facts, learn about these people [basic rule of war, know your enemy] and then come up with the mechanism to defeat them. what yuo said above "You don't have to agree with what happened but a terrorist attack like that is not brought on by anything but hate" is precisely what I mean when I say it simplifies the issue and becomes a hinderance to coming up with real, practicable, solutions. If you read about it, then you will be able to contribute significantly, and that, if anything, should probably be the duty of every good citizen right now.

If it is a war then everybody does their bit and that is what you or anybody else can do.

Politics is a subtle game, it is war by other means, and it requires as much planning and tactical ability; what many people recognise now is that Obama is exceedingly good at this game, and in modern warfare, which is played out as much on TV screens as on the battlefield, he is probably the best war-time leader you could have; I'll give him this much the guy is smooth and knows how to talk; that is an art and it is his weapon. I could go on about other things, but I'll wait to see if you ask me any other questions first.

Changez, I assure you I am educated - and I can also assure you that within an educated community - there are views that differ.

My complete disagreement with you comes from both education and culture ... and I assure you as well - I can read.

Now, what I would add that I am probably 10-15 years older and I have children. That adds a level of experience and education that you cannot yet understand - but hopefully age and wisdom will come to you with the introduction of that in your life as well.

When I was twenty I was a democrat... enough said.

Again now, let us discern all events. First, your "faith" does not prove anything. If you want to unquestioningly accept what our government says - fine by me. But don't expect others to follow in suit, because a large growing number of us are seeing outside the American facade. Patriotism IS the last refuge of a scoundrel. Even those who don't believe the inside knowledge theory are waking up. And even more, faith, as weve come to know it, is simply relinquishing your ability to think for yourself outside of what biases and conditioning tells you. Same as religion. Having "faith" that Jesus Christ walked on water, was born of a virgin, so on, does not mean that it happened. AT ALL! I have never considered myself an American for the sole reason that i can think for myself, and not hold sway to these National ideals. They prove themselves worthless to me anyways. (what am i still doing here then? good question which ill have to answer later) And as you mention hate...very good, what is the JUST CAUSE for supporting Suharto in the 60's when he systematically killed thousands. Or supporting the death squads all over Latin America when they also killed and raped thousands? (by your ole pal Reagan, that monster of a human being) Answer those questions and then we can talk about hate. We've had enough people who think - like YOU - that American is perfect and noble and full of nothing but good deeds. Its nonsense!

Red Wolf - suggestion - pack your bags and move to a Country you could learn to love.

If you hate it here SO much and everything America stands for which you CLEARLY do - might I suggest you find your haven elsewhere?You'd do well to up your roots. Even you state you don't consider yourself an American - so go.... and take all the people who think like you with you.

I don't need to debate anything with you...we are nothing alike and your feelings show clearly you are not worth trying to convince otherwise.

To slam the country that gave you the right to spew - is too bad - but you can always move - so do us all a favor - and do it.

There are no bars holding you to such a horrible place.

Some conservatives believe America is never wrong and some liberals believe America is never right. The truth is in the middle.
America, for all your faults, this bleeding heart liberal loves you still. As someone once said ; "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." [:-)
JerrySatire
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I couldn't agree with the comment more and applaude your right to be a bleeding heart....I just don't want your bleeding heart to cause 3,000 more deaths.

As for RedWolf though - he clearly does not love America and should hit the road.

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But I already tried to tell you...I CANT! I'm on parole. Jesus H. Christ. Jerry Satire, your quoting from Jefferson I believe. And he was right! That's why i feel that it's the right thing to acknowledge deplorable actions in this world so that we don't do them again. You have to understand that I dont despise America because I do not equate the country with the people. Theyre two completely different entities. But I could not imagine another country where the vast majority of the citizens are arrogant, unintelligent, knuckle-dragging baboons. The entire Christian Conservative crowd gets me so riled up sometimes I cant even think straight. If I ever wanted to believe in Jesus (I dont in the way they do) I really can not because these people make him sound like he condones all sorts of sick sh*t. "Love thy enemy" becomes KILL KILL KILL. "Turn thy cheek" becomes KILL HIM AND HIS FAMILY ALSO. And the part about not being able to serve two masters becomes SERVE ANYONE WITH A BADGE OR A FLAG. So i just cant do it because these people have ruined it for me.

Jerry - in reference to above - do you not think that NBC will benefit from it's ties to President Obama with their positive push on both NBC and their affiliates? Who is it that owns NBC? The number one company to profit from Obama's green push does - GE.

No surprise there either.

RedWolf's on parole - didn't know that - You don't say it in your former posts - and no one here told me - I don't even care what you did - because I'm sure it was caused by the terrible USA anyway! Innocent I say - he's innocent!

NBC learned that trick from fair and balanced Fox News and their affiliates. Who owns Fox News?
JerrySatire
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I have no idea - is it GE????? :)

HaHa. Now now, theres no reason for sarcasm. No, I'm not innocent, I did mine. I learned a little while i was in there also. I learned that this world is plauged by people that simply REFUSE to go against the standard consensus. You need people like me to keep an eye out for people like you...the conservatives and liberals who are only pursuing their own agenda and say f*ck you to everybody else. You can mock my posts all you want...in the end, I'm right. And you know I am.

I'm gonna have to keep an eye out for you write4life. I hope this doesnt jeopardize us being friends.

You're my best bud Redwolf - just don't show up at my door or send me a letter.

But but but....why? You know, I'm actually a pretty mild mannered, handsome young man. I wanna be YOUR cuddly wolf. But I need to be fed at least 5 times a day. And i drink a little. Okay, a lot.

I have my cuddly wolf - actually a ridgeback that's trained to attack any wolf that enters my tent.

Rupert Murdoch, right - wing Billionaire owns Fox News and the fair and balanced New York Post. Whenever Dick Cheney has something to say, he always appears on fair and balanced Fox News. Perhaps you have not noticed. [:-0JerrySatirewww.Lampoon.net

What is my point?
We invaded Iraq and are sending more troops to Afghanistan because our energy corpoations want us to.
JerrySatire
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And you really believe that? Isn't the Obamanator the one who's sending the troops now? Where's the change?

Yes, I believe the republicans and the democrats are in the pocket of corporate America. Why soo shocked? I've been writing about it for years on my Web. [:-)
JerrySatire
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The current deployment in Afghanistan....hmmmm.... not too much change there now is there....

duh!!!!! Jerry - you've debated me enough - you know I know that - now you're really being funny.

Then again, even if Dick Cheney rode out on a white horse and saved President Obama from being run over by a car - I would suspect that NBC still wouldn't cover it would they!?

NBC can't even cover their own butt....*ROFLMAO*

If Dick Cheney rode out on a black horse and ran over Obama, Fox News would tell us it was a duck hunting accident. [:-)
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See - that's just silly - why argue a pointless comment? Dick Cheney only likes ponies.

All this talk about Liberal media/Conservative media is rubbish. It's like saying there's a difference between our one party system we have here. Not only is there very little evidence to support it, but the fact that people assume there's a difference is even worse, because all it does is encourage small debate in a very tiny spectrum, which incidentally distracts the people from serious issues. Two difference fractions of the same business party, and nobody cares to see it, or wants to know about it.

I dont want to talk about rest of the things. But the thing which i liked in this article:
"The line is becoming clearer everyday. The United States is looking at an increasingly antagonistic group of enemies."
Yes of course it is. And its all due to wrong use of powers by US government. I dont know why US drones are attacking in north west areas of Pakistan. And i am pretty sure that they are not killing many terrorists in these attacks but giving birth to many young enemies from families of innocent victims of American Drones. These drones are attacking almost twice a week. So what is it?? Is it the path to create peace in this world?? Of course not.. Rather its a path to a catastrophic end.

Thats right Jazibsaeed. And as for the first part of your statement, let me expound upon it. We all know that Russia invaded Afghanistan in the early 1980's. What is never discussed is the fact the US instigated that attack - as admitted by Zebrie Bzerizski (whatever the hell his named is) by supporting an opposition party which had our interest in mind. Then, we decided to fund the mujahajin (sorry for the spelling) but you know...Afghan resistance. This was not only Osama Bin Laden, but many others who were indoctrinated with a Jihadist mentality. And we were stupid enough to think we had them under "control." This is besides the fact that the US manipulated those affairs in many other ways for decades. And the conservatives are arrogant enough to wonder "gee, why do they hate us so much?" Let me say this though...I'm not at all sympathetic to Iran's regime or any other based in Sharia Law. They are esually as evil. I'm just trying to say "LEAVE THEM THE HELL ALONE...LET THERE OWN PEOPLE DESTORY THEM." And come up with an alternate energy, to get past this addiction to oil.

a) Did you read my article about the Republican party? Please take a look and tell me what you think. There are some changes I want to make though.

b) You have not mentioned what your view is and why.

Your article is very well written, except the part in which you attempt to explain why the Republican Party is dying. (Joke) NO, serious - good writing. It got a little blurred, and not cut to the chase as my style is, but all the same, we can't all be Hemingways, now can we? What is my view? My view is that the United States of America has grown exponentially into a super hyper power. And while quite a bit of it's innovations have achieved marvelous results across the globe, it's unquenchable thirst for hegemoney has run amok. This has lead to conflicts, depleted resources, and terrorism of all shapes & sizes. For those of us who are currently IN the United States, I feel these revelations should not be viewed at in disdain. Instead, they should be scrutinized and taken to heart...then it becomes our responsibility to condemn our government - along with all other aspects of it - and prospect for a better future. Because I have this feeling that the world is coming to and end rather soon, in the form of Globalism. Centralized control. The obstacle I see constantly getting in the way is this newly developed hyper-nationalism, taken on by conservatives and people like WRITE4LIFE...this view that the only time it is appropriate to scorn your government is when there is a Democrat in office. This is sad because this Agenda I'm referring to comes from both parties! That problem just mentioned is the unavoidable consequence of other Nations accumulated power in the World. When China tell Taiwan not to announce sovereignty, we're right there to provide more arms. When Iran talks about nuclear this or that, we threaten sanctions. We're always there to police the world. And at the same time we push our way of life onto other Nations. I don't think the average American will be easy to take care of when the time comes...so many of us have already given up, it's going to be rather easy when the government throws in FEMA camps. As Huxley observed: the perfect totalitarian state is one in which the people do not have to be forced into work...because they love their slavery. That's us. We dont think. Were mental slaves.

I was against the war in Iraq and I am against more deployment in Afghanistan and believe all of our foreign troops should come home including those in places like South Korean and Germany etc...

I think it is time for America to reduce its foreign aid, change its foreign policy, remove itself for one reason. Heal instead of this major reapplication of band-aids. -

Nationalism is good. Never has this country needed more people to speak out - we're looking at a complete destruction from within and the foreign issues with in other nations - they should be on their own let France and Germany and Russia and England ... pick up the tab for once - all of it.

No one want us to help them do anything but fill their wallets - we should not care right now. We should drill for our own plentiful oil and develop alternative energy and say F-you to the environmentalists worried about turtles while trying at the same time to use more friendly equipment (turbines that do not kill BIRDS.)

WE SHOULD continue our weapons program and continue to imporove it because undoubtedly removing ourselfs from foreign soil and without send globs of foreign aid WE CAN no loger afford - we will be seen as even MORE evil - so to that I say - tough sh*t.

As for my friend Red Wolf - disregard his generalization of me - he is not my neighbor so he has no IDEA what I think other than what I write and I am also not a person who could ever be placed into a cookie cutter mold.

Republicans and conservatives ALWAYS complain when there is the opposit party in office - that's just dumb to say one does and the other doesn't and red wolf is intelligent so he must have made a mistake there...

What we DO need to do is uproot Congress - they SUCK. All of them.

And lastly - I agree with his thought process that the world is moving closer to centralied control and I think many other Americans are too - and I think many of us think that Obama and HIS corrupt crew are just as bad and the former adminstration in leading the charge.

It is NOT our job to police the world - so those who think we should they are WRONG. It is also NOT our job to save the world from anything it has going on - That said, Tsunamis, earthquakes, starvation - all of the $$$$$ sent to assist there should also be reigned in until we get ack on the right track...following the Constitution - protecting our borders from illegal entry, and fixing our own issues.

That's where I stand Red Wolf - slightly different I think than you've asserted.

Jazi - the US has said - (OBAMA) there is NO stable Pakistan without a stable Afghanistan and that is why they are attacking your border - the thought is it is harboring Taliban. Whether it is or not - I don't care - I'd like us out of there too.

Thanks!

Okay! Actually US has no rights to stabilize Pakistan by attacking our borders. For stability, Pakistan is independent of Afghanistan in all fields :) Still if you are talking about some so called peace stabilization. Then i would like to say that all the terrorist activities in Pakistan are just because our Government supports US because Taliban don't like this so they do terrorist activities in Pakistan. So all this is result of US-PAK government brotherhood. If Pakistan Government adopts some neutral behavior against American and Taliban activities then no Taliban will harm us. But of course this may not be a solution. Still if i were president, i would have tried this for some days :P
I know many Taliban are hiding in border areas. But its our army's responsibility to move them from there if they think of doing so. If America wants to help us then he should provide us with drones to deal with Taliban, not to interfere our territory himself :)

I could not agree more.

Nor could I

Nor could I. Perhaps I did have your position wrong Write4life (soon I'm going to have to have your real name) And if so, I apologize. To expound on my political philosophy...I keep saying I'm not a liberal, AT ALL. How many liberals believe not only in our right to bear arms, but also to conceal them on the street? Shoot, the world's a dangerous place. How many liberal's scorn the educational system based on the idea that it's simply indoctrination? I hate the conditioning they have in society. How many liberal's love their private property, and fifth amendment...or it might be the fourth....anyways, unlawful search and seizure. I also believe in people making their own money, but I also believe there is a such thing as excess in capitalism. And in democracy I think we should put occasional restrictions on it. Capitalism can show itself to be a monster at times in certain places in the world, I could give a shot less if the third world nationalizes it's oil or whatever, and although it's bad for the businessmen...who cares? I'm also not "pro-choice" as it might seem...but as much as i hate needless abortion, I also hate government bursting into the hospital room and making arrests', or forcing woman to do backyard abortions. It's a people problem, and we don't always need government there. I dont know if this helps...but i just wanted you to know anyways.

How many liberal's love their private property - they ALL do - but what they miss is that without the Constitution it doesn't belong to them - it belongs to the greater "good." The ideology of the greater "good" begins with the conditioning of our youth in the educational system.

I am not one for abortion - but I believe that only a woman can make the choice to carry an EMBRYO. Once she's made it to the viability point - and the CHILD can survive outside the womb, it is murder. I support a ban on partial birth abortions with the exception of the life of the mother. Not the psychological STATE of the mother either - but the DEATH of the mother.


Capitalism can be a monster - especially when there is a blind mass following or an idea that something MUST be done (eg... a percentage of loans for homes to lower income families or we fine the bank...)

The American citizens are getting up finally after being asleep for decades, not just years...and that is good - WE SHOULD QUESTION everything - everyone - everywhere... another thing Thomas Jefferson said:

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of a blind faith."

-Maryann

If the US became isolationist once again, it should be able to do whatever it wants within its own borders. Sometimes a bit of time and space is required to find yourself.

Well said

When was the US ever isolationist? This was a Nation founded, from it's very beginning on imperialism. Read the quotes from Washington, driving the Iroquois from the Northeast territories. It's innate in every one of us then to accept that the Hyper Superpower is going to do what we want, when we want. For the trillions we spend on funding Saudi Arabia via oil addiction, we could have come up we an alternative fuel. That's known. What's not known is how these countries have directly funded radical Muslims (and anybody who takes any religion literally without questioning it is radical in my opinion) all over the world. These are the consequences of our actions, and it's time to stop before it leads to the extinction of the species. Not that I really care anyways, people are almost entirely scumbags. I dont have much faith in them anyways. And I agree Maryann, the people are finally starting to wake up out of their slumber of reality TV and fatty foods. The reason they are is because the actions of ALL governments has spurred them into activism. That's the main reason I wholeheartedly agree with the 9/11 Truth Movement...they protest all actions, and very legitimate ones at that. The illegal Fed needs to be shut down, we need to have A LOT more transparency in our Government and our officials paid for by our taxes, and the US along with all other authoritarian regimes - China, Russia, the UK, so on - need to stop this relentless pursuit of power.

quasi-isolationist between the two world wars...never fully.

Time for a new turn.

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ahh but had anyone listened to him, or me earlier, probably could have prevented 5000 deaths.

Listened how? Oh and please check out my newest on here...it's rather good.