No Wonder The Palestinians Are Pissed

I'll be extremely pissed to the point that i'll send my children to camps that trains people to blow themselves in crowded places. Or I'll send my children to areas where I know could get them killed by israelli bombs or bullets to gather the sympathy of the rest of the world.

I do not agree or approve of any violent actions but the frustration of an outside party deciding that the land you are living is all of a sudden decided do not belong to you. Not based on any of your actions but by a third party. Isn't that weird?

No No NO
YOU FIGURE IT ALL OUT wrong. Some History book would be much helpful. First there were Jews. They lived in Israel 5000 years ago...Abraham, Isac and Jacob. Then the 12 tribes. How did they feel when a forigen nations bunish them to Babylon etc... but they did no harm, and make no bombs. they return to Israel but it wasn't the same. they were bunished over again. And the stayed in exile.No bombs. No killing. And then came mUhamad with his horse. And made up this horible horible religon which support hate, killing and Gihad (In the bible it writing : do not kill. u musn't take the lives of others hence you didint create them). And the muslims have been GUESTS in a country which they didnt belong to. Make story short then caome Hitler and make the living in Exile impossible (the death was very possible) so The Jews came back to thier old and warm house in Israel. The promise land. and the guest should make a room. THey didnt make a ethnic purification which almost Every nation did(britain, france, spain - its the simplest way) which can save them a lot of troubles in the future (or the present). the Arabs with thier killing made them a lot of place in this earth to live. parts of Africa (marocco, Lybia, Egypt) Asia ( yamen, saudi arab, Iran, Irak) and a lots of Island throughout the world - The jews has once place. So it's really make sense

With that logic I guess the indians in the US all of a sudden have a loooot of land to claim. ;-)

you seem to imply that because the jews were kicked out of israel 5000 years ago and now they have a right to kill palestenians ????

From an historical standpoint, the Palestinians only claimed five cities when their ancestors migrated from Crete: Gaza, Ekron, Askelon, Ashdod, and Gath. These are the only five cities they should have.

who had it first does not solve the dilemma of whose land is it for really? The Palestinians? or the Israeli's?

History can go way back!
If we attempt to settle the Palestinian question by the concept of “who was there first,” we meet with obvious difficulties. If we go back to the late 19th century and the early 20th century, the Arabs were in Palestine first. So, is the land rightfully theirs? Not so fast. Let’s go back further–thousands of years further.

Historians believe the first major population to inhabit the land was the Canaanites. If “possession is 9/10ths of the law,” the land belonged to them and their descendants. But, a militarily powerful people known as Philistines migrated into the Canaanite land, and it’s their name that is thought to have evolved into “Palestine.” So, is it their descendants who can rightfully claim the land of Palestine is theirs?

It’s not that simple, either.

Another people migrated into the land of Canaan–they were the descendents of a man named “Eber,” whose name meant “the other side.” They were known as “Hebrews,” coming from “the other side” of the Euphrates into Canaan. Their most famous patriarch was Abraham.

Genesis 12 records his immigration to Canaan. When he and his family arrived in the territory, an amazing event happened. The Creator God appeared to Abram, as he was known at the time, and made a remarkable promise: “To your descendants I will give this land” (verse 7). You can’t get higher authority than that–greater than the militant Philistines, superior to the grand British Empire, senior to the United Nations–the Supreme God gave the land away. Possession wasn’t the determining factor of right to ownership; the Canaanites had it taken out from under them.

Since the Jews are Abraham’s children, the land is theirs after all. Right? No, it’s still not that simple. Two vast peoples descended from Abraham’s two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. From Isaac came Jacob, also named Israel and from him 12 clans (or 13, depending on how they are configured). The Jews are the descendants of only one of those tribes, that of Judah.

Further, the descendants of Ishmael are the Arabs! So, who has the right to the land of Palestine?

God’s promise to Abraham was repeated to Isaac and then to Jacob (Israel), making clear that His intent was that Isaac’s line would be the one to inherit the land.

Of course you then stopped too soon once again. From the Tree of Judah also came another. His name was Jesus. He was the promised Messiah or "deliverer" of the Jews and sent to deliver them again from their captivity under the Roman conquerers. They were expecting a mighty warrior which would lead them to victory and reclaim the land as theirs. But God did not send a warrior. He sent a simple carpenter as his son to show his chosen people (chosen in that God "chose" Abraham and the Israelites in which to reveal himself) the error of their ways under the "legalism" of the Pharasetic branch that had taken over rulership of his Temple and his people.

He showed the his miracles, and revealed the truth of his teachings and words through both his own prophesies and teachings. The original 10 Commandments at that time had evolved into over 600 "laws" which were interpreted at the whims of the priests of the Temple, and which were actually intended originally in order to insure their survival as a wandering tent people until they reached that "promised land."

But the Pharisees did not listen. They were threatened with this new "teacher" and his massive following, and the truth of his scriptural interpretations as a rabbi himself. He taught that God was spirit and was everywhere, in his Sermon on the Mount after being banished from teaching on the Temple grounds.

They saw their power and control of the citizens start to dwindle, and for which there was much discord within the three different sects of the Jewish faith that had evolved over the course of centuries. Their hatred of one particular sect, the Samaritans, who they hated more than the evil Romans had caused much conflict, and the other two the Sadducees and the Essenes were all divided. Jesus himself was raised in a strict Pharisetic household but his scriptural interpretations were much removed from that of the elder Temple priests once he began his formal study.

He himself never claimed to be the Messiah, but was identified by the poor and afflicted everywhere he preached and proclaimed as such, and passed his knowledge and revelations down to 12 devoted followers.

Eventually, the priests turned the people against him after his betrayal by one of his own. He died on the cross. He was resurrected as he had predicted, and his resurrected self was witnessed by thousands, one of which became an ardent and devoted follower after his death after meeting with him on a road to prosecute and arrest some of his followers, and after having taken part in the stoning of another.

And one of his messages and prophesies was that if the Pharisees continued in their legalistic ways with respect to the "spoken" law and edicts of the Temple priests that were not in accordance with God's word and desires for his people, they would eventually lose the Temple and be again banished from the land in which they were promised.

And 40 years after his death, it came to pass just as he had predicted.

So it would appear to me this is religious war, but it isn't. Both lost the land and both eventually resettled within it. But still haven't settled their inherent religious and varying differences over "ownership," or who owns what. And God's children are still behaving, it would appear, as children to the present day.

I think the key is not who was there first at all. What I am questioning is how the Western World decided that the Jews should have that land based on the actions by Germany during WWII. Who gives us the right to decide about other completely legal territories? It is just absurd. I am very aware of the history here, but it is only applicable to some extent here. The main issue remains. The Western World created this mess on their own.

No, the differences between the religions and their religious beliefs is what continues the conflict. The Western world did not at all "create" this problem, since England actually had "governance" of Israel prior to World War II and at that point in time the Muslims and Jews were living by and large in peace and harmony within it.

And ages ago when the entire nation of Israel was held by the Jews, but divided as "Judah" and "Israel" the Jews were fighting within their own religion for control of land and property. And as indicated, we prophesized that they would lose it by Jesus if they kept up some of their pharisetic ways, and did. And so did the Muslims, lose the land and territory - which they had gained also in prior wars over it.

So both "lost" it and really had no "claim" to it at all after World War II because at that time the British held it fundamentally. The U.S. simply got involved due to our alliance with Great Britain at the time.

So truthfully, due to the U.S.'s form of government as one founded in noninterventionism in the matters of other nations unless its own country's safety and security is at stake, and with all the historic aid to Israel we have already given them and the Muslim countries to, other than being involved in any further peace keeping measures between those two factions, the U.S. really now 60 years after World War II needs to make a clean break here.

But that will not happen due to the power of those refugees now here that lobby for more and more aid to Israel each and every year affiliated with the Israeli lobby - when really those individuals are free to support Israel independently if they so choose to do, since I'm sure it would accept any of their donations to their synagogues or the government itself.

And does also provide for any and all that wish to immigrate there who live in this country can do so if that is where their true loyalties lie insofar as country of first allegiance. The U.S. should freely trade with both, but not be as involved in that country's internal strife and struggles at this point.

But as I said it is our manipulative media, and also other outside secular interests I think that are really at fault here. And a "world government" agenda insofar as economy that in its banking practices on usury is against scriptural teachings in two of those religions, both the Muslim and Christian faiths teach against engaging in it in any "exchange" or "transaction."

And since 70% of the people in the U.S. do also claim Christian as their religion, explains also why this country is in the economic mess it is in. Those banks can offer all the credit they wish, but if it is under "usurous" terms, there aren't many who will be lining up to sign on the dotted line for homes, cars or anything else.

Hmmm, I don't knw about your last statement "The Western world created this mess on their own", but I definitely agree that the solution to the conflict does not lie in the question of who was there first. (As you mentioned about the Native Americans, does that mean they are to reclaim the United States?) Also, if in fact it was us who decided that the Jews should have that land based on the horrific consequences of WWII, it is definitely true that we have no right to allocate land like that. What was the land proportions between the Israelis and the Palestinians to begin with -- isn't it most fair to go back to that? Most likely, however, it's not that easy right...? :(

The fact is, we have two sides who will not live in a shared space. Well, as long as that persists than there will be no Peace. Imagine if we had this same senario here in the USA with the Native Americans claiming what they believe is their land since they were here first. It's reediculous to even entertain that notion. We have now, what we have. Though not perfect, we are all living in relative Peace and we have laws that protect us all. I believe that if the Palestinians and the Israelis were to set their egos aside and see beyond the illusion of what seperates them they would see more of what could unite them. Until then, count on more of the same. I'm not an expert on the Middle East; just experienced at what happens when our egos get in the way.

As Ross1776 says, "It does appear that countries with state declared religions do seem to have more wars and strife, due to the fact that the different sects of those faiths even fight a great deal amongst themselves". Because America was founded on Christianity but allowed the freedom of individual worship, I think this open-minded (and deflation of egos) attitude reduces conflicts regarding religion.
I think you are right in your analogy of the Native Americans and the United States today. We DO live in relative peace because of the understanding we as a country allow our diverse citizenry. Why can't the Israelis and Palestinians share the land and accept their differences peacefully. They don't have to agree at all. All they have to do is say, "Alright, you believe in your religion, I'll believe in mine. I won't force you to listn to me, and you won't make me obey your religion. We'll just live on this same land and eliminate any more bloodshed, ok?" I do understand what Ross1776 said about outside/other factors than religious differences complicating the matter, but I'm still confused on what Ross1776 said, so I'll have to go back through and read that again. But I still think accepting religious differences is a first and a very big step regardless if there are multiple factors urging the constant fighting.

Well put, not just our egos as individuals but as nations, if I understand you correctly. Sounds like the Lilliputians in Gulliver's Travels who fight endlessly over which end should be used to break open an egg.

The issue is again who gave someone else the right to more or less take over the Palestinians land possession in the wake of WWII. No one had that right in my eyes. Wouldn't you be slightly upset if someone else just decides that it is not your land? I do think part of the problem is to realize that we in the Western World created a situation where this could happen not saying violent actions therefore are rightfully. In fact they are far from it.

It is convenient to think that it is their differences alone that is the issue.

The British actually had influence and control of Israel prior to World War II. They also held Turkey, India and some other Middle Eastern countries at that time.

The Western Allies won then that war over territory. The U.S. took in many European Jewish refugees after the war, and a resettlement program was then also estabished for the remaining victims of it. Prior to World War II, there was actually harmony in Israel between the Muslim Palestinians and Israeli Jews living there for the most part. The influx of refugees, many of which were from different "sects" again of the Jewish faith that resettled upset that balance, along with the sheer amount and number.

And the Jews were again "Pharisetic" in their demands. They demanded a nation of their own with a declared "state religion", unlike the U.S. that was fundamentally founded as a Christian nation but which provided for "freedom" of worship for other religious faiths and practices in order to avoid the Catholic/Protestant battles and wars that had raged in England. And set forth in its Constitution the right of the people to establish their own churches, synagogues, temples, schools, whatever.

It does appear that countries with state declared religions do seem to have more wars and strife, due to the fact that the different sects of those faiths even fight a great deal amongst themselves.

There are fundamental scriptural differences between these two faiths that made any peace, at best, tenuous - however, I believe much of the discord that continues to go on there also has its root in outside influence and manipulations from those outside their own borders.

And there is clearly a goal to "amalgamated" the world's economy under one "world bank," and since there are fundamental differences in biblical teachings over the charging of "usury" or interest on debt so much so that the Muslims have their own banks due to these religious prohibitions (which are also set forth in the Christian faith insofar as "excess" interest and that church's also teachings against either charging or paying usury, which is any interest or charges and fees made between parties in excess of the tithing amount of 10%, I believe it is secular interests that are actually most to blame for what continues to go on there manipulating both religions and racheting up the animosity for their ultimate gain).

The banks in the U.S. are now engaging in usurous practices and have been since the 1970's, and the religious community in this country is beginning to speak up, and the economy isn't stabilizing here due to the fact that many have lost their homes, and are not likely to rush into any new bank loans after their experiences with the usury practices now of the majority of them - and those usury practices were actually contained within the fine print of most of those loans, or also "legislated" by federal and state governments after they even purchased their properties - or were forced into refinances containing usurous fees and charges due to escalating property taxes and insurance during those boom years, without any choice since Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were also collusing with many of those banks - a great many domiciled in California.

This is off the track, but does address just why the reason since there has been no long lasting peace in that region is not simply due to the religious differences within that country, but also secular interests outside of it that are manipulating the situation for their own profit and gain - and forcing the hands of other nations to also continue to be involved in "choosing sides," on each and every even minor disturbance there.

And the mainstream press in this country increasingly more and more also spins the "politics" of the region for its own agendas.

Yeah, I think that if the United States wants to compensate for the terrible crimes of Germany durign WWII, it should find compensation in other forms than land because taking land from another country or land that is potentially another country's is dabbling into another country's affairs. Why can't the United States have helped Israel with resources or political maneuvers that are specifically pertinent to Israel alone?

Well said constellation. How many dollars per day per person do we (the US taxpayers) pay to maintain Israel and Palestine? How many homeless, below poverty level and jobless persons do we have in the United States of America.

This is not about money. This is about a principle about respecting the sovereignty of territories and countries.

The U.S. doesn't even "respect" the sovereignty of the property of its own citizens at this point in our history. Take a look at the Kelo decision reached in the Bush years for a clue.

And Britain has never really recognized the sovereignty historically of other nations until their hands are forced and blood is spilled.

And as I indicated, the Jews truly LOST the country to the Romans way back when and any claim to it as was predicted and then both religions have progressively to other nations even since that time all the way up to World War II.

I think it's stupid to debate this topic over who has right to a land... Let me tell you... are you ready for this...No One, and here's the catcher...and everyone!!! Yeah that's right, no one and everyone. The reason any of this war shit is going on is that each side thinks they have right over the land. And then they got religion to back them up. I mean if God says it, then who are you to complain.
Rights over land are a man made thing. Animals think they have rights over land too, until a stronger animal comes and beats him up.
SO obviously Israel is the stronger animal, because it is backed up by US and other western countries. COuntries that are the most advanced countries as far as military power is concerned.
Palestine is backed up by human rights activists and people of the Muslim faith because the Palestinian as a majority, remember that it is only a majority, are Muslims. These are the people that fight tanks with rocks.
And before anyone starts criticizing the Palestinians for resorting to suicide bombing and supporting militant groups, remember, no one was willing to help these people while their family members were being treated like animals and second class citizens.
There is absolutely no need to go back thousands of years to figure out the problem to Israel and Palestine. The problem begins sometime before the beginning of WWII.
Both sides of the situation are guilty for killing innocents, instigating conflict, and using unneccessary force. But only one side is in command. THe other side is being persecuted.
Religion, though everyone thinks is the most important part of this confict, it is not. IT is just an excuse for the players of this game. Religion can round up people to back you up on whatever you want to be done.
Now here is something that many outside of Israel don't know. There are Jews in Israel that do not support Israeli actions in Palestine. People that want a two state solution. People who dislike Netanyahu (sp?) and other warhawk, trigger happy, leaders. There are many that oppose suicide bombing, but support Palestinian rights. But just like people in every other country, it;s hard to ge rid of leaders that are good at scaring its citizens into voting for them and leading them into actions that will bit them in the ass later.
I live in the US and just suffered 8 years of such a leader. But just like most other examples, might will most likely win.
Now if only people can stop with the Religious back and forth: Islam was not brought upon by force, but they did have wars and battles. It was a religionious nation, and nations have wars. Get off your high horse Jews and Christains. You guys merely didn't have the technology to produce weapons, therefore you didn't have any to fight against people. Look at you now, you have the technology now and you use it constantly to solve problems that don't even require it. And Christain and Jews, look down upon other religions and have extremists and crazies in their ranks as well.
Muslims, you all need to relax and recognize the martyism is getting you no where, because what you call martyism, we call suicide bombing and innocents dieing. And use of violence is a right given to you but only when you are being attacked, and yes even though you are being attacked, it is not by the innocents you kill at cafes and shopping centers. And the number one problem in the Muslim world are not the nonMuslims. It is your own leaders and your own illiteratracy. Extremeism and ill conceived fundamentalism.
The situation is more complex than I've ranted on about, but a argument over rights over land will not get the problem solved. It is further the conflict, it has for the past few decades. Only thing that may help is if the topic in discussion is about how to treat other people, regardless of religion, economic, social or political standing. How to treat people. The answer is, treat them as you like to be treated. It's a simple answer that every religion teaches, for the most part. But it's really hard to achieve that goal for some reason.

Well said. This is really my point. It is not about religion, money or anything. We have created this issue in so many ways and it is our duty to clean this mess up. As it is our duty to clean up the situation in Iraq.

I don't think it is the U.S. duty at all, actually. The U.S. duty is to clean up its own country, and the welfare of its citizens as stated in our founding documents. We have been involved in this now for over 60 years and it was the British that actually held that land and territory prior to World War II. And both religions lost it long ago due to their inability to get along within its borders.

Although I do believe what is going on there now is being initiated by secular interests most of all. Who are using it for their own ultimate gains.

Well, I don't know if I'd say it is exactly the U.S.' duty, because that implies obligation and in a way, fault. But I do think that the U.S., as a major country with a much larger source of resources than other countries and with the intelligence working in our government offices, *should* feel the need to *help* with the situation. Yes, I agree with Ross1776 that the U.S.'s duty is to "clean up its own country, and the welfare of its citizens", but because it is such a powerful country with resounding say in international matters (of course not by itself, but with consensus of other powerful countries) the U.S. has a responsibility because of its power status to help out the world. Because if an able country like the U.S. won't help the decline in the world and the instability in other countries, how can we depend on a weaker country to step up, you know?

By the way, this was a pretty good article, short, sweet, and incorporated visuals very nicely. Even though it was opinionated, the opinion was backed up nicely, again referring to the visual.
I thought it was a very effective article.

Palestinians are Arabs who happen to live in the area that is now Israel. Palestine is/was never an autonomous political entity. The British Mandate of Palestine existed from 1920-1948, hence the name. The area has been the home of many peoples for millenia and might reasonably stay that way if there is the will.

.. so therefore we had the right to claim that territory and push them out? Hah. That is indeed a crippled logic.

Where did I say anything about pushing them out? I simply outlined the facts. If you read the last sentence again you will see the point that is being made... co-existence.

When we stop funding Israel and AJC with our tax dollars, we will see peace and co-exhistance and the devious British will also shut up.

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manalz1 (2 weeks ago) Jews have hijacked America; America is no longer free and anyone who tells you otherwise is either a dumbass beyond belief or a liar or a paid disinfo agent. america needs to wake see that when jews say we love us they meen u fuckin money

King David Hotel Jerusalem Bombing by Jewish terrorist movement the Irgun lead by Menachem Begin in 1646 was the begining of terrorist bombings. Not only the Palestinians we should all be pissed.

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