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North Andover : MA : USA | 4 months ago  
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I would like to suggest President Obama appoint his 30 something-ish Czar.

The “Get the Illegals out of Dodge Czar.”

Job Description: If they are not here through a legal nationalization program – send them home.

Too un-politically correct? Too bad. While this whole legislative mess called health care reform (which is nothing more than a code phrase for driving the private insurance companies out of business and instituting a single payer national program) is being proposed, no one is addressing the need for tort reform or the closing of emergency rooms across the nation, or the overcrowding of our public school system or the draining of our programs from the poor by the poor who should not be here to begin with.

To coincide with Obama's health care push - the proposal of Amnesty (or citizenship without qualification) is about to hit the table once again. This is nothing new – it's the same thing – different President...and instead of doing the same thing, Mr. Barack (CHANGE) Obama who enjoys employing “Czars” so much could actually offer a little HOPE by appointing someone to enforce immigration laws. This one could actually be useful.

We should not be a sympathetic nation when it comes to illegal aliens. We should not make the excuse that illegals do the jobs that no one else wants to do – or that because they pay taxes they should stay. The taxes they pay (and not all do) are offset by the services they receive. As our nation draws closer to a 10% unemployment rate there is even more of a need to enforce the immigration laws. Citizens need jobs and the major news stations have all covered stories on “tent cities” popping up throughout the country. Illegals are still here and working and for those that have been forced into tent cities – those are jobs that these people could use to feed their families and perhaps had the citizens had them earlier – could have saved their homes as well.

Yesterday in a conversation with a fellow neighbor who has the luck enough to have her home cleaned by someone else, I learned the one of the two Brazilian ladies who cleaned her house was leaving. She was going back to Brazil. After 5 years here – and 2 child births – she's heading “home.” That's not the only time I have heard this lately. There are plenty of articles discussing the massive one way ticket “out” boom going on throughout the country. Illegals are leaving. They are leaving because they can no longer make money here and that is another reason that we should not even begin to contemplate Amnesty OR leniency with illegals in our country. You do not see China opening doors to let people come in a raid their wealth.

For those who think illegals do jobs no one else will do, The NY Times recently ran a story on the massive scale of illegals leaving the country and as the NY Times tends to do – it had a slightly left view that somehow Americans should feel bad about this. Quoting from the article: “We came here to save enough money to buy a house” in Brazil, Mr. Borges said, recalling the early weeks when the family slept in a friend’s basement and he worked in construction for the first time. They expected to return to Brazil after two years.

Instead, he found his inner entrepreneur. He started a plumbing and construction business that soon employed upward of seven compatriots, paid taxes and helped build name-brand hotels in three states.

But in 2005, as the construction boom began to go bust, larger companies, prompted by labor unions, started to demand working papers, he said. And when his crew could not produce them, they were let go.”

Translation: Your lax international travel laws allowed me and my family to come to your country and stay long enough to earn money and pay a few dollars in taxes. During that time I successfully managed to break your laws by forming a plumbing and construction business which no one bothered to verify was legal, and I made money until people started checking paperwork. Since they are doing that now, I can longer find work so I am going back to Brazil which was always my intention and taking my money with me. So long and THANKS – and I hope no one gets killed via a gas leak in the plumbing I installed which may, over time, cause a massive explosion.

The Boston Globe (also slightly left leaning and owned by the NY Times) ran an article on a bright student “Filipe” who graduated from high school recently and had received a scholarship to the University of Massachusetts. When filling out admission paperwork, he learned he wasn't legally in the United States and he no longer qualified for in-state tuition rates or the scholarship so now he has a huge loan and is facing deportation. Advocates scream that we should not punish the children for their parent's mistakes. I am politically incorrect on this too. While I certainly have empathy to Filipe's situation... I am not at all one who thinks the State of Massachusetts needs to over look his residency status OR that the Federal Government should not be knocking on his parents door. He's received an education in this country and taken up a desk at the same cost per pupil as the citizen's child he sat next to. That cost is huge, and children pay the price for our education of illegals in this country via over crowded schools and increasing student to teacher ratios.

Filipe's parents have worked in this country and been here for a decade and he's just finding out their illegal aliens?

Here's your plane ticket.

Lastly, the United States prison system is becoming increasingly populated by illegal aliens thus giving false creditability to the idea that most illegals are law abiding people looking for work and paying taxes. Way back in 2004 Steven Camorata, Director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies said: “roughly 17 percent of the prison population at the federal level are illegal aliens. That's a huge number since illegal aliens only account for about 3 percent of the total population. INS and FBI statistics released information in 2006 that 29 percent of the prisons in State and Federal prisons were illegals and at a cost of 1.6 billion dollars a year.

Solution: If they have committed a violent crime, the victim and/or their family has a right to see them serve their time – even if it means at the US tax payers expense - for the rest of the life or completion of the sentence. If they are released, they should be picked up and driven to the airport. Free ticket home – see ya later.

If it isn't a violent crime – no trial – just send them home – family and all. No more sympathy. No more "America" through the back door.

STRENGTHEN the border and follow up on the travel visas.

America should broaden the nationalization process to make more citizenship attainable LEGALLY and perhaps loosen the nationalization process to allow for faster citizenship.

However, there is no place for illegals in this country just as there is no place for them in any other country in the world. Yes, America should be the land of opportunity for all, but not the land you sneak into, earn a fast buck and then return to the place you really want to call home.

It's time to take back our country.

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  • Posted By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    maryann,

    I am with 100%. Illegal immigration is a drain on our economy and will continue to until this government does something to control our borders and enforce immigration laws. On the one hand, the government is using scare tactics to overhaul Healthcare, but will not address the abuse of our hospital system by illegal immigrants which continues to be passed on to other consumers and drive up the price on the average insurance policy. Only when we control our borders and create growth and jobs once again can we talk about any kind of reform for immigrants. Let's take care of our own first nad them address any other humanitarian causes second.
  • Posted By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    maryann,

    I agree you with you 100%. We can't be talking about addressing the illegal immigration problem until we address our own problems first. Illegal immigrants are a drain on our economy and billions of dollars are shifted away from domestic issues that affect Americans instead. We should control our border if it means building a fence and enforcing our immigration laws. if you are here illegally, you are breaking the law. By protecting these illegal immigrants, they are counting on many of them to be included in the upcoming Census and of course added to the Democratic voter rolls. They are a major drain on our health and hospital system and it burns me to no end that no one on this damned Stupid State Run Media is reporting on this.
    I am sick and tired of paying my hard earned money to pay for peoples services that are here illegally and could care less about this country. This Healthcare Reform wiil help out more immigrants than it will honest and hard working Americans. This administration is so corrupt and reckless, that I would go as far as saying that what they are doing to this country is 100 times worse than Watergate.
    2010 & 2012 can't get here quick enough.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    If only insurance companies worried about the pepole, the way you worry about insurance companies. South Africa & the US do not have National Health Care. All the rest of the industrialized countries in the world have National Health Care. Not one country ever gave up with National Health Care, not one. Shame on South Africa & shame on us.
    I support republican conservatives, GW Bush & John McCain with their amnesty plan. FYI, The NY Times, Boston Globe and left-leaning folks back George & John on this issue. Sitting Bull : "I told our people to guard the borders, but did they listen?" The American Indians are the only LEGAL people in this great country, to believe anything else, is a fairy tale written by white folks.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By CaliforniaMike CaliforniaMike | 4 months ago
    Amen, Jerry. When I read that single-payer is a guise for driving insurance companies out of business, I say what's wrong with that?

    Insurance companies take people's premiums and then when something big comes along, they look for excuses not to pay.

    Insurance companies have nothing to do with health care -- they're just obstacles.
  • Reply By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    CaliforniaMike,

    I hate to tell you, but the polls think you are wrong on this issue. 85% of Americans are happy with their Insurance. The other 15% OR so, are looking for a free hand out. I'd rather give my money to a private health insurer than give it to the government in return for a watered product that will cost about the same.
    Liberals always enjoy spending other peoples money. I still have not seen anyone in Congress, the senate or the White House proclaim that they are giving up their Ace Helath Plans for the government option. Insurance companies don't "Take" people's premiums, people choose to pay for a service that for the most part works for them.
  • Reply By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    Mike,

    These poll numbers were put out by Rasmussen who accurately predicted Obama's victory and had the margin of victory correct.
    Life expectency in the US is higher amongst all countries providing National Healthcare or private health insurance.As a percentage of GDP, the US spends the least if you extrapolate the population numbers to what they currently pay. Canada, with a population of about 50 million, spends about 12% of GDP the US spends 16%. The US's population is 6 times larger than Canada's, by this measure, Canada's outlay for Healthcare should be abot 2%. We can play with these numbers all day, bottomline is that, no one in the US is traveling across the border to Canada or Mexico to get their healthcare while the opposite is true. If these other countries with National Healthcare were model programs, why do people continue to come to the US from other countries to get their Healthcare?
  • Reply By CaliforniaMike CaliforniaMike | 4 months ago
    That's just not true. I can quote polls that say two-thirds of Americans would like single-payer. I've seen them.

    I don't know why people don't understand that it's not about spending other people's money. We spend TWICE as much as countries with single payer for worse results.

    Health should not be about profits.
  • Reply By CaliforniaMike CaliforniaMike | 4 months ago
    That's just not true. I can quote polls that say two-thirds of Americans would like single-payer. I've seen them.

    I don't know why people don't understand that it's not about spending other people's money. We spend TWICE as much as countries with single payer for worse results.

    Health should not be about profits.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    So not true. Please do not generalize insurance companies - they pay for a lot of people and their treatments and not everyone hates them and they do a lot of good too. Private sectors do look for profit and that profit is reinvested. If you do away with all the private health insurance - you will kiss away a great deal of R&D too. not all - I will agree there - but a LOT.

    Will you feel the same hatred to insurance companies when they are gone and the government denies your coverage because you're 70? That would be a shame wouldn't it? If a single payor system ever makes it through - I will say a prayer that your very words will not come back to haunt you.

    I have said this before....it isn't a left or right issue - it's an American issue. Don't sacrifice your freedom because you dislike the right - don't sacrifice your freedoms for anything.
  • Posted By OMega3_2yew OMega3_2yew | 4 months ago
    What's the Czars have to do with a Mexican bazaar?

    The difference between "what's dope?" and "what's hope?".

    ~Captain Cubanzee 'Zoologist'

    "Hope heals, drug deals don't hurt, people deal drugs legally, too"
  • Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    I wonder, as a mother, if those that see no issue with Amnesty have childern is the public education system - specifically perhaps - in Elementary school? My son had been in class sizes too large since kindergarten...I can't afford to send my children to private school - and thus they sit in a overdrawn educational system that is worn from the law passed in the 80's preventing school systems from preventing illegals from attending schools...

    I never supported Amnesty when it was Bush's cards either....it's not the way to correct a broken system... by allowing people who are breaking laws to receive a "waiver."

    I wonder how many people that support Amnesty, have had a family member hit by an illegal alien driving w/out a license, which is common in metro areas.

    It's not a republican or democratic issue - it's an American issue and one that cannot be solved by granting 12 million people free passes.

    TORT reform - do you not feel it should be a part of the new health care plan, Mike and Jerry - or do you just feel it should be passed because you resent republicans and blue dogs? I can't think of one person who is not in favor of health care reform. Just because people are against OBamacare - does not mean they are not for health care reform....they just read the bill and see that it's a BAD bill!! Instead of placing the blame on insurance companies or the hospitals - why not look beyond the utopian socialism ideology and look toward controling lawsuits and frivilous claims and huge emergency services that are never paid for - that all need reform.

    Simply setting up a new gov't run program with no plan (again NO PLAN) for subsidizing it or how to pay for it or without detailing any tort reform - which is another example of special interests dominating politics above people....is ignorant.

    Our country health care reform deserves more than what Obamacare is going to bring....which is higher taxes, and another program that will drain on the economy.

  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    It's called, National Health Care all around the world. Only American republicans and blue dog democrats call it, Obamacare. LOL. Nice try.
    Too bad you don't get it. Only American Indians are LEGAL in this country. Or do you believe we bought Manhattan for $24 and some beads?
    I continue to support Republican Conservatives, GW Bush and John McCain on the Amnesty plan. Sorry.Bill Moyers Journal May 22, 2009 Online!!!!
    JerrySatire@aol.com
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    George Bush and John McCain are republicans - they are not republican conservatives.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Balony - OBAMACARE is NOT only used by republicans and blue dogs and even it it WERE....what does that matter? A bad bill is a bad bill and if Ronald Reagan's name were on it - you'd hate it.

    It's crap - through and through and once again - health reform yes, this plan - NO WAY.

  • Reply By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    The House & Senate have not yet agreed on a bill. Soo, what bill turns you off? Give us one quote you don't like. Pleease!
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    JerrySatire,

    1. Abortions will be paid under this bill.
    2. After Life Counseling for Seniors.
    3. Penalties to Small Employers who don't participate of up to 8% of Payroll.

  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    This article is not about the health care bill - BUT,...since you asked...

    Section 1233 of the House-drafted legislation encourages health care providers to provide their Medicare patients with counseling on ‘the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration’ and other end of life treatments.

    That's one - do you need more?
    Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option - "required."....

    Page 22: ALL employers that self-insure will have to open their books to the government for an audit

    Page 29: Rationing

    Page 30: Government decides treatments and benefits you get -no appeals

    Page 50: Health care services will extend to illegals.

    Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community health plan

    Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange

    Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: no choice.

    Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted.

    Page 127: The government will set wages.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Rush Limbaugh telling folks the Government won't help seniors. LOL
    just the opposite is true. Democrats gave seniors social security, Medicare, Medicad, home rebates and on and on. National health care around the world does NOT forget to help seniors. Rush Limbaugh is a jerk and if you believe this moron, you are beyond hope.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Redhanded : Sorry to inform you that most polls show a majority of Americans want some kind of public health option in the new health Bill. Try reading.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    Jerry,

    Wanting some type of reform is not the same as wanting "some kind of public health option" Public Health option will lead to single-payer which will lead to rationing and Medical advisory Boards which no one wants a part of. Not even, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Kerry, Frank, Schumer, Dodd...
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32206998/ns/politics-white_house/

    from one of your own....
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    GW Bush & John McCain are not republican conservatives & Michael Jackson will be performing @ this year's Halloween Party in Las Vegas. LOL. Nice try.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    WHAT??????? This makes NO sense Jerry - You see anyone right of you as conservative. They are NOT conservative although they are certainly right of your viewpoint.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Are you telling the folks @ allvoices that GW Bush and John McCain NEVER said they are Republican conservatives??? Only Jerry THINKS they are republican conservatives? Sorry, but these men are PROUD to call themselves republican conservatives. Lots and lots and lots of quotes by them saying so. Try reading.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    What people call themselves and how people view them are not one in the same. If you check conservative viewpoints - most say the exact same thing....they are both moderates, in the same way you are referring to blue dogs as something other than Democrats.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Redhanded : Again, most polls show a majority of Americans want "some kind of PUBLIC health option." God bless America. [:-)
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By Redhanded101 Redhanded101 | 4 months ago
    Jerry,

    Listen, let me know how much you like this option and what you pay for it. I will keep my private option.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    "End of life" counciling is controversial. I'd tell you more but my Euthanasia is killing me. [:-)
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Posted By Sherrill_Fulghum Sherrill_Fulghum | 4 months ago
    I thought this was an article about illegals.
    I remember back when Castro emptied out the jails and mental hospitals and shipped them over here. Many of them landed in Florida and were immediately put on the welfare rolls; yet legal residents who needed help couldn't get it.
    I have absolutely NO problem with someone who comes here legally, but there are people who would love to have a job that can't get one because of illegals.
    Another site had the debate question about hiring people with disabilities instead of illegal aliens. Why not? Just because there is a disability does not mean they can't work. If there are no jobs available for the illegals, then they will leave.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Thanks for bringing the point of the article back to focus.
  • Reply By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    US store owners love CHEAP labor soo illegals get jobs in America. These stores are breaking the law. You are right, they would NOT come to America if they could't get a job. We need to punish store owners for breaking the law.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Redhanded : A public OPTION means folks like you can keep their private health insurance. Get it? OPTION!!
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    When GW Bush first ran for President, didn't he bill himself as the compassionate conservative? Hello?
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Posted By CaliforniaMike CaliforniaMike | 4 months ago
    What I'm hearing are a lot of talking points. What people are calling euthanasia is simply urging people to have living wills so their wishes will be followed.

    No one will have to give up their own insurance plan.

    The abortion question is still to be settled, and I'm sorry to tell you, but covering illegals makes good sense for all of us. It's called stopping epidemics from starting.
  • Reply By ChivalryLives ChivalryLives | 3 months ago
    They should not be here in the first place, let alone be covered by legal resident's tax dollars.
  • Reply By birdpond birdpond | 4 months ago
    Good point. When immigrants arrive legally, they are screened for communicable diseases before being allowed to enter the populace. They must speak English; learn our country's history, etc.

    Illegals don't go through this health-screening process, thereby exposing EVERYONE to any diseases they have -- Including your children, at school and on the street.

    Again, not against immigration per se, but PLEASE do it legally, to protect us all.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    I get it. Bush ran as a compassionate conservative and won, but you decided he's not a conservative. Perhaps a few conservatives in America beg to differ with you. And John McCain has many conservatives in his state but you decided he is not a conservative. Soo like, it's
    your call? What is annoying you is George & John support an Amnesty plan, soo, they can't be conservatives.
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By ChivalryLives ChivalryLives | 3 months ago
    Bush's massive amounts of government spending coupled with the amnesty plan do not entitle him to be cassified as a conservative. It's like people saying Obama is a centrist when he had the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Just because you call yourself something doesn't make it so.
  • Posted By Sherrill_Fulghum Sherrill_Fulghum | 4 months ago
    I saw a video clip about New York City buying one way tickets to send homeless people to other places - all voluntary - but they just weren't sending them to other states; the report said they had sent people to FIVE continents. Wonder how many of them were illegal?
  • Posted By InspectorGadget InspectorGadget | 4 months ago
    I'm sure everyone is aware that in Mexico, for example, it is difficult to make enough money to sustain an adequate lifestyle with necessities. However, many are unaware that the US has played a role in creating this problem. For example, NAFTA allows US farmers to conduct business in Mexico. Not only can these US farmers produce and sell corn cheaper than native farmers, they are also receiving subsidies from the government encouraging lower prices. Corn is probably the biggest product in in the region, and this has led to the unemployment of millions. Add unbelievably high and violent crime and war into the mix, and you have extremely inadequate living conditions! If you were in that situation, I bet you would run and hop that border like an Olympic athlete. You'd probably steal some Nike's and jump higher than Jordan in his prime. Most don't illegally enter the country because they're trying to make a quick buck. They do so because they are trying to SURVIVE.

    I'm not at all condoning illegal entry. It absolutely does create problems. However, someone who isn't in that position has no right to talk smack. And no one is stealing anyone's jobs. It's the employer's job, and he gives it out.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    The United States should consider investment in Mexico to solve this issue. It was successfully done in Europe and there is very little migration within European nations. If the US wants to stop the flow of Mexican illegals - it would be wise to use money to assist the development of the mexican farming situation.

    NAFTA - agreed by all parties - should never be used as a reason to make American the "bad guy" and no reason to grant amnesty to illegals that are here.
  • Reply By InspectorGadget InspectorGadget | 4 months ago
    Sure it needs to stop, but until the situation in Mexico, and in the rest of Latin America gets better, it is what it is. Most illegal entrants don't have any other choice. Not only are they trying to improve their living conditions, they are trying to survive. Most rational people would do the same thing in those circumstances.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Understood... but, the flow needs to stop. Allowing people to come into the country opens the doors to too many problems - a lot of which we are seeing now.

    Mexico needs to address its poverty as well and America cannot be the "escape" goat for the mexican government who is purposely not addressing the issue because they know people will cross.

    It's becoming more dangerous every day. Although I empathize, I draw the line at opening the borders and think the US needs to take a firm stand on it as well despite the problems it may cause on the opposite side.

    Given the choice, the Mexican gov't is much like Castro - they are hapy to see people make there way to the US... because not only is the US to lax on illegal immigration, but it unburdens them from the resposibility.

    Tough call. There are many tough calls - can't fault the people - fault the govt and policies will change.
  • Reply By InspectorGadget InspectorGadget | 4 months ago
    First of all, I never put all the blame on the US or NAFTA. I CLEARLY said that both NAFTA and the US "play a role". That means they share some of the blame. Second of all, you are missing the point. If you were living in that situation, with "crime, drug wars, kidnapping and COORUPTION" in addition to difficulty finding an adequate salary, what would you do? You would do the same exact thing. You would get out of there as soon as possible, by any means necessary. It's about survival. There is a misconception that that these people enter illegally to get rich quick. You're complaining about people trying to survive.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Very well - I stand corrected. I am not referring to only Mexicans however, and I think you too are missing the point I am trying to make - Illegal immigration has to stop - for ALL of the reasons pointed out in this article....and I also suggested thatwe should re-eval. the legalization process as a part of addressing the issue. In the references of the article the person I am referring to that was quoted by the NYTimes is not mexican at all - He and his family are here from Brazil and never had an intent admittedly on staying.

    Mexican illegal immigration has tolled heavy on our southern borders and caused major issues. Not addressing it, or worse, by simply granting amnesty is not an answer to what has become a very serious issue in our country. No?
  • Reply By InspectorGadget InspectorGadget | 4 months ago
    Oh really? You wouldn't? Instead you would choose to live on the crime infested streets without shelter or food? Is that what you're saying? Well, are you willing to take part in a reality show to prove it? Back up your words. Let's call up CBS. Let's make it happen. We'll call it Survivor: The Border Edition with you on the streets of Mexico for a whole season. If you're not willing to prove it, than it's very hard to believe. Yes, "many do not". But those who do have it the worst.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Inspector - you're placing all of the blame of the UNited States for Mexico's illegal flood into the US and I agree that NAFTA had an adverse effect on Mexico that resulted in an increase in poverty in Mexico. However, to insinuate that we are fully to blame for Mexico's problems is not true. Mexico is not a poor country - Mexico is protrayed as a poor nation yet their economy ranks around 12th in the world, coming in above the $1 trillion dollar mark. That puts Mexico’s economy on an even par with Canada so, yes, as an American that has been effected by the flood of illegals in the work force in which I operate I have a right to complain.

    I suggest we attempt to correct some of the difficulties the Mexican farmers faced with the introduction of major US corporations into Mexico and the devestation that caused the rural farmers, but until MEXICO takes a stand to correct it's crime, drug wars, kidnapping and COORUPTION, placing the blame on the US is misplaced.

    I guess I didn't explain that well enough to you ....So if you're going to call CBS -perhaps you could have them investigate why at an economy level on par with Canada, there is so much cooruption in Mexico that the citizens of Mexico need to brave 140 degree heat in the back of a truck filled with diesel fuel to come to the States illegally.

    The cooruption of the Mexican government is not America's fault and the flood of immigrants into this country is more to do with MEXICO's cooruption than NAFTA and thus, I still firmly stand behind the comment we need to STOP illegal immigration.
  • Reply By InspectorGadget InspectorGadget | 4 months ago
    Yes, "it would be wise to use money to assist the development of the Mexican farming situation", but until that happens, you can't sit there and complain (and farming is just a fraction of it. Do some research on Guatemala). I'm not calling America the "bad guy", but facts are facts. The US has played a role in the unemployment of millions in Latin America. When those people, because they have no other choice, come to the country that helped create their difficult situation, people like you complain, degrade, and talk smack. You have no right to declare what does and doesn't "grant amnesty" because if you were in that position, you would be doing the same exact thing.
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    NO, I would not...and many DO NOT.

    And, you're incorrect with stating I do not have the right to complain, I most certainly do. There is still an immigration process in this country and if it isn't followed - the law is broken and I have every right to complain.
  • Posted By mexicanairlines mexicanairlines | 4 months ago
    HEY GENIUSES AGAINST IMMIGRATION if you're in America, you're an immigrant (unless you're Native American, in which case: I'm sorry!)
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Old debate w/history for sure - but no longer really worth stating Americans in this Country are illegals. Even if it was a tragic and horrible event, it was done and America now stands as a country of people from everywhere that have come to this nation, followed a path to citizenship and are certainly legal.

  • Posted By mexicanairlines mexicanairlines | 4 months ago
    HEY GENIUSES AGAINST IMMIGRATION if you're in America, you're an immigrant (unless you're Native American, in which case: I'm sorry!)
  • Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    I did not say I was against immigration - I said illegals should not be here. Immigration legally is a different story altogether.

    "America should broaden the nationalization process to make more citizenship attainable LEGALLY and perhaps loosen the nationalization process to allow for faster citizenship."
  • Reply By allknower allknower | 4 months ago
    I support your view regarding illegal immigration. America in the past has always welcomed citizens from other countries ... but definitely the process has to be legal.
  • Posted By myVox myVox | 4 months ago
    If there are illegals in US it's probably because of the loopholes in the system. Changemaster Obama should work at tightening the system.

    Don't you all think that there must be attornies (American citizens at that) who assist the 'illegals' in benefiting from the systemic loopholes? What about that?
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    myVox, yes I do - and there is huge money in the transportation of illegals into the country. As the laws have tightened, the dangers of coming to this country are increasing. The exploitation by these smuggling rings is also increasing.

    We should be working with mexico to strengthen their farming economy - boosting their work force and cracking down on the smuggling rings. It needs to come from both governments and right now neither are doing enough to stop.

    Good point on the lawyers. - Not only in assisting illegals, but in assisting legal citizens in adoption of babies taken illegally as well.
  • Reply By myVox myVox | 4 months ago
    Oh yeah, lawyers in US do all sorts of stuff! They are quite proactive but with a selfish intent! After all, there's a lot of money at stake, aren't there?
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Old debate with history? LOL. Sorry, it's an old fact with history.
    Tell an American Indian how legal you THINK you are in this great country, let me know what he tells you. As we all know, whenever GW Bush and John McCain ran for ANY public office, they ALWAYS got a MAJORITY of the conservative vote. Sorry, this is not a debate, it's a simple fact of life. Some folks get angry when republican conservatives support an Amnesty Bill. I feel your pain. [:-)
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Reply By ChivalryLives ChivalryLives | 3 months ago
    Nobody will argue what happened was sad, however technically there were no laws governing North America which stated the encroachment of the United States was "illegal". We are a nation of law, and as such must process and account for immigrants wanting to come to our country legally. Not doing so ensures chaos.
  • Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
    Section 1233 is about getting seniors to write a 'Living Will.'
    Today, MOST seniors support having a 'Living Will.' Of course, if you believe Rush Limbaugh, you believe section 1233 is about the government wanting to kill seniors. Are all conservatives as dumb as Rush? [:-0
    JerrySatire
    www.Lampoon.net
  • Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Jerry - it's hard to see your point because you are always so antagonistic that you come across MEAN. You should take a pointer or two from Mike who shares many of your views but doesn't show such a blatant HATRED of anyone who even remotely disagrees with you.

    You can interpret section 1233 anyway you wish....and I will stand behind only one comment.... There is no need to rush a health care which leaves any questions up for debate. We should take time, work through the questions and propose a bill that the MAJORITY of the public want to see.... not the minority.

    This bill is not representative of the majority of Americans and there is not one statistic available that says there is.

    Defend it all you want - I have no issue with that but what you are so strongly defending is a liberal view and you won't take your blinders off to even remotely accept that there just may be a better way.

  • Reply By myVox myVox | 4 months ago
    Not his problem, maryann! He tries to lampoon and HATRED comes out of it! (Pun intended, Jerry!)
  • Posted By SashiaSame SashiaSame | 4 months ago
    I don't think anyone will argue that we need a solution to the health care problem in this country. I disagree with a government mandated, government run business. It should have been a government regulated business, and I don't mean the monkey business of corrupt officials making sure that their buddies in the insurance industry get to rape us before they treat us for rape. These businesses are monopolized, if you track them back to the mothership. The problem with this country is that when we have a problem that needs to be solved, the vultures swoop in and claim to save the day. After they've picked all our bones, we'll realize we've been had again. This AGAIN is an opportunity for the fox to be watching the hen house, and as much as everyone that's against this reform, simply because the government is handling it, I have to say that throwing out the baby with the bathe water will not help ANYONE.
    If you've read ANY of the Health Care Bill, you'd know that you will be putting the decision of whether you live or die into the hands of the bureaucrats and big business, that created this mess in the first place. This bill needs to be shot down, line by line, by our elected officials and modified into something that will help ALL of us have a healthier and safer existance. Addressing the problems that brought us here in the first place, like corrupt insurance industry, illegal aliens, and citizens and residents that refuse to work for a living would be the FIRST STEP. But.....there I go being LOGICAL again!!!!!
  • Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    Thanks for the comment Sashia - excellent points.... You cannot fix a broken cart by adding broken wheels
  • Posted By Arapahoman15 Arapahoman15 | 4 months ago
    Through the years, after all of the compelling human interest stories, appeals to conscience, and threats of political reprisals, I have yet to hear a rational argument for illegal immigration. When laws are on the books, they should be enforced until altered or revoked. Those who break the law are subject to it's penalties. Any argument?

    Enforcing laws is often a difficult, painful responsibilty. I have worked with, even befriended illegals, many of whom were educated, intelligent, wonderful individuals. Still, for laws to work, for our nation to maintain it's sovreignty and provide for its citizens, illegals should be deported.

    As for national healthcare, I wonder if we're on the verge of adopting a monster that will destroy economic recovery with it's price tag. And why are Democrats blaming Republicans when they can't even sell this to members of their own congressional membership?



  • Posted By Sherrill_Fulghum Sherrill_Fulghum | 4 months ago
    My ancestors may be immigrants but they also helped to shape this country. Ancestors were at Jamestown in 1607, Captain Anthony brought a shipload of people over in 1640, and at last count there were several ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War on the Colonial side. We certainly didn't come here by skulking across a border like a thief in the night.
    Immigration isn't the issue ILLEGAL immigration is. There are quotas for a reason otherwise the country would be so crowded NO ONE would have room to move around.
  • Posted By MaximusYoung MaximusYoung | 4 months ago
    So, how do you feel about work visas, MaryAnn?
  • Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
    HI Maximus - before I had kids I used to run a technical IT staffing branch. We used H1's all the time. Why? Same reason - they were a LOT cheaper and usually had the newest technology under there belt. Communication skills were not as much of an issue because they were programming positions and not tier I helpdesk.

    It was before the burst of the dot.com bubble and tech was booming. Clinton opened up the gate for more visa and more tech camr from overseas. During that time, the extra support was needed but when the dot.com bubble burst and we had a lot less work, the visas got most of the work because they were charging 30-40 less an hour. THEN, it became an issue because it took away work from the citizens and it was very concerning to me.

    I think there is a place for working visas - and I think the amount given out need to reflect the need for talent in the country and be re-evaluated based on that need.

    H1's are not just handed out either, backgrounds are checked, people are screened and many go on to apply for citizenship and often get their sponsorship through the company that hired them as an h1 temp to begin with.

    Illegals crossing the borders do work in different fields but it is not true that they not drive down the cost of jobs. They do. Employers who use undocumented workers should be fined for breaking the laws and the people that hire the company using undocumented workers should be too. I know it's difficult as a small business to pay the burden of payroll and still make a profit on a job when you've got a competitor bidding a job at a considerably lower cost due to their workers being off the books. They pay no workers comp, or taxes and can afford to charge lower cost. A perfect example is in the NYTimes article where the Brazilian man was able to hire a work force and they completed jobs for major hotels and during the boom - no paperwork was checked. That was a serious problem.

    H1's are given to supplement a workforce in industries where we cannot produce enough talent. The workers are not undocumented or illegal, and it's different entirely although I would like to see a greater balance between what the workforce needs and the amount of H1's handed out. If the number is too high - their lower wages drive companies to hire H1's over citizens.
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