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Bill Gates hurricane stopper: help for humanity or ecological disaster?

Bellevue : WA : USA | 4 months ago  
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Eye of the hurricane

Microsoft founder and former CEO of Microsoft, Bill Gates, is part of a team that has applied for five patents to manufacture hurricane preventing technology.

Hurricane Katrina caused billions of dollars in damage, inestimable losses in human lives and property destruction, and raised a serious question about the efficiency of FEMA.

But can we stop or control hurricanes? More importantly, should we?

Bill Gates, along with his former CTO at Microsoft, Nathan Myhrvold thinks we should. They filed for the patents last year at Bellevue, WA. based Searete LLC, an entity of Intellectual Ventures, currently managed by Myhrvold.

According to a Searete spokesperson, who declined to elaborate, Bill Gates is involved in the weather modification strategy, but the patents aren’t expected be granted for another year or more.

The basis for the modification plan is to use multiple specially-equipped ocean vessels to essentially lower the temperature of the Gulf Stream water surface, by pulling deeper, colder water up into the mix.

Pertinent passage from one of the modification patents:


The temperature decreases rapidly with depth, for example, as much as 20 degrees Celsius with an additional 150 m (500 ft) of depth. This area of rapid transition is called the thermocline. Below it, the temperature continues to decrease with depth, but far more gradually. In the Earth's oceans, approximately 90% of the mass of water is below the thermocline. This deep ocean consists of layers of substantially equal density, being poorly mixed, and may be as cold as -2 to 3.degree. C.


David Nolan, associate marine biologist from the University of Miami had this to say about controlling hurricanes:


"Every couple of years there's a news story that gets picked up for some hurricane-suppression idea," Nolan told TechFlash recently. "They’re all kooky in their own way. Some of them are more plausible than others, but they all face an enormous problem of scale. ... You would have to cover an incredible area with this effect to reduce the temperature of the ocean by a significant amount."


Between the years of mid 1960 to the end of the 70’s, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) researched hurricane control in an experiment known as Stormfury, where the concept of “seeding” intense storms with silver iodide was explored. The theory was to increase precipitation outside the “eye” of the storm, causing it to cool and fall in on itself, thereby reducing the storm’s intensity. It never worked. After millions of dollars to fund the study, researchers discovered that hurricane systems already include ice crystals, which is what the silver iodide was supposed to duplicate.


Other weather modification ideas have included stratigically placed Earth-orbiting solar satillites, to heat specific sections of the ocean’s water, in an effort to draw or steer the hurricane away from populated coastlines. Another idea was to use gigantic land positioned windmills to literally “blow” the storm in another direction. Since water evaporation is drawn up into the storm as fuel, the idea of spreading a layer of “biodegradable oil” over miles of the ocean’s surface has also been a theory also considered by researchers.


All these ideas have major draw backs and ecological consequences that would be almost impossible to anticipate. Controlling Mother Nature is a dangerous game, when one system is modified without consideration of other systems, environmental impacts, and so on. The potential ecological domino affect could be disasterous.


What would happen if human controlled storm manipulation resulted in damage to other continents? How would the disturbance of the ocean’s temperature and Gulf Stream affect marine life? What happens when weather patterns are distrupted to save lives and avoid damage in one area, but causes drought and temperature disruption in another? How would using massive numbers of weather-control vessels spread out over miles of ocean, impact shipping lanes? What ramifications would aquatic related climate tampering have on global warming? What kind of fuel would the vessels use and how much? How about increased potential for ship collisions and oi/fuel spills?


According to NOAA, weather modification is a risky proposal that might not be worth all the money and effort to put into a hurricane stopping system.


However, a person who lost loved ones, friends, homes, precious belongings, pets, personal dignity, and everything else they owned in a Hurricane like Katrina--might have a different opinion.

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  • Posted By quadasent quadasent | 4 months ago
    hahahahaah h'll get a shock
  • Posted By mona37 mona37 | 4 months ago
    atleast he is doing something and is concerned about the people who have suffered and are suffering rather then thinking about the fish that might die or the consequences that might happen. but bill gates is smart, he created hurricanes himself with his breakthroughs in computers and IT :P i'm sure he knows what he is doing!
  • Posted By chaitea chaitea | 4 months ago
    Thank you DelilahStarling--great, albeit scary, story.

    What Bill Gates is mucking with here makes me shutter in disbelief, especially since his Windows software freezes up and has always been open to security attacks. Experiments like this that try to alter nature always backfire and I can't believe that mankind could be so arrogant, narcissistic, and shortsighted as to keep trying these hairbrained schemes. Mr. Bill should take his money and spare time, help shore up a few levees, do some Microsoft bug fixing, and try to stop playing God.
  • Posted By DelilahStarling DelilahStarling | 4 months ago
    I do see this technology as scary, because of the potential ramifications in the natural world. But I can understand people wanting to achieve a technology that saves lives and reduces costly damage. It is a complex issue, but I have to lean towards the side of caution.

    Thanks for your interest!
  • Posted By aquamarina217 aquamarina217 | 4 months ago
    A couple of weeks ago, I read an article about destroying ancient forests because, basically, young growth will help reduce carbon dioxide emissions more so than older trees that are dying anyways. However, there are so many consequences to the diverse wildlife and the complex ecological system that flourishes in these forests, and tampering with Mother Nature will only lead to even more dangerous problems because we don't know everything about science. We fix one thing but will cause a horribly messy chain of events that even Mother Nature won't know how to fix!

    Maybe instead of trying to prevent hurricanes, which are unfortunately and very simply, just a part of nature, why doesn't Gates try to make some invention that protects us AGAINST hurricanes? Why don't we change ourselves instead of altering the most inveterate, ages old and experienced nature?
  • Posted By DelilahStarling DelilahStarling | 4 months ago
    Excellent suggestion. Bill, are you listening?

    I don't disparage Bill Gates for being involved in this kind of exploration, because I admire anyone who uses their position and fortune to help others. He recently retired from Microsoft as CEO in order to work full time with the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

    But on the hurricane situation, I just believe, as aquamarina217 stated, there are so many elements to consider in messing with something as massive as trying to control the weather.

    Besides, the idea of a bunch of boats floating around in a hurricane trying to cool the water's surface--How can that possibly be a good idea? Life jacket anyone?
  • Posted By jongleur jongleur | 4 months ago
    DelilahStarling, thank you for bringing us this story and welcome to Allvoices! The photo of the eye of the hurricane shows its menacing force and we saw the destruction from such recent "personalities" Hugo, Andrew, and Katrina, but we can't harness nature and only "shoot ourselves in the foot" trying. Bill Gates would be more of a humanitarian if his philanthropy and technical savvy were devoted to helping communities at risk for hurricanes build stronger homes and shelters, beef up infrastructures, and develop effective emergency response and disaster relief services--rather than floating a bunch of expensive ships with full crews, sucking barrels and barrels of diesel, belching tons of exhaust, spilling oil, and doing "who knows what" to sensitive coral reefs, sea life, et al. Bill Gates must be from another planet. DelilahStarling, thank you for helping to save ours!
    - jongleur
  • Posted By DelilahStarling DelilahStarling | 4 months ago
    Jongleur, thanks for the welcome!

    I came across several other companies working toward hurricane modification patents. One was some kind of tunnel system. I won't try to elaborate, because I didn't familiarize myself with it. But, suffice it to say, Gates and his team aren't the only ones in the race to perfect the technology.

    I agree, money should be spent building stronger homes, etc., as you suggest, but companies don't make any money that way. It seems like monetary incentive is what drives just about every thing. It would make sense to me for the insurance industry to team up with a force like Gates, since the damages of hurricanes cost them billions of dollars and that is increasing every year. Just throwing out thoughts--not sure if it makes sense, because I sure don't profess to have any easy answers.

    Thanks again for your comment and great observations.
  • Posted By MarylinHebert MarylinHebert | 4 months ago
    I agree, tampering with the ocean temperature sounds fishy. Shouldn't we just concentrate on Global Warming efforts to keep temperatures at there norm. Millions could be used nicely on that effort.
    Besides in colder temperature, ghost could pop up from sunken ships! Joking, but I bet something will be distrubted. Maybe he should try working on earthquake warnings. I live in CA and you get no warning just a big jolt. At least, you get time in Hurricane--- as I avoided many in Florida---even my older parents & Katrinia. Left town as soon as the first couple of palms trees were down letting me get those dangling beads from the parade I couldn't reach before...
  • Posted By mllovric mllovric | 4 months ago
    It could be a good idea, and remember that the Gulf Stream is not natural
    for the ocean. With a bit of research they may even find the Island of
    Atlantis right in that very spot where the Gulf Stream flows today. It is
    said the Atlantis was situated right there but a disaster sent it miles to the bottom of the ocean. If there's an island/ mountain situated under
    the Gulf Stream it could very well be the Atlantis. 26/7/2009.
  • Posted By wwenger101 wwenger101 | 3 months ago
    I published more than fifteen years ago, in books and in correspondence, several ways to dampen down hurricanes by bringing up cooler water from below to chill the surface and take energy away from such storms. More recently a few years ago, I published some of this information also in my website, at http://www.winwenger.com/hurrican.htm and later at http://www.winwenger.com/part86.htm - and a science fiction writer, David Niall Wilson, published a novel built around one of my concepts for that, The Mote In Andrea's Eye. I guess that makes me senior among all those who claim also to have invented some form of this method for dampening down hurricanes. However, I don't think you have anticipated what I'm saying next on the matter....

    1) I yield any and all rights I might have to this invention, to Bill Gates and his Intellectual Ventures venture, on condition that he have pilot prototypes of this invention in the water within three years of now.

    2) This is because he is in a position to develop this and I'm not, and meanwhile people are dying every year from these storms and thousands of people each year are losing their livelihood and their well being to them.

    3) I urge and support Mr. Gates & company to move forward in this venture.

    4) My being the senior claimant (I think) in this matter, and then yielding my rights to Gates & company, enormously simplifies and clears the way for him to move ahead with this project - and accordingly provides also incentive for him to do so. If the pilot isn't in the water within three years, I retrieve my claims and though his deep pockets would probably win out anyhow, the difficulty, delay and nuisance of having to work through such claims makes it likely that he will choose the easier path and move ahead.

    5) In any case, Gates has demonstrated some world-class humanitarian concerns, which makes it likely also that when the time comes, he will be careful where he puts the system, making certain not to rob the Gulf Stream or other critical currents of needed energy for the job those currents are doing elsewhere. I can't be as sure that whatever enterprise won out in a free-for-all scramble over the rights, would so respect this geophysical necessity.

    6) I'm hoping that this context will also bring to light another way to use much the same equipment - oceanic fish-ranching as described at http://www.winwenger.com/bluerev.htm - which among other things more important, would be an immensely INexpensive way to produce most of the world's protein and so make more profitable any enterprise which included both that project and the hurricane-stopping project.

    7) There are plenty of other inventions where these came from. Any one of you, reading this, can with the right tools come up with inventions as plentifully or as significant. Many of the right tools are already published and available.

    Win Wenger, Ph.D., author of Discovering The Obvious
    described at http://www.winwenger.com/dto.htm, and of The Einstein Factor (where one early mention of the hurricane-stopper was made), described at http://www.winwenger.com/einfact.htm

  • Reply By DelilahStarling DelilahStarling | 3 months ago
    Dr. Wenger, I do hope you realize that it is highly unlikely that Bill Gates will read your comment here.

    I suggest that you write to his foundation directly.

    Good luck on your endeavers.
  • Reply By winwenger winwenger | 3 months ago
    Delilah, thank you. I did last week. I figure much the same message from several different directions has a better chance of getting to where it was sent, and is likelier at least to be noticed by one of his lawyers following which, possibly my convenience argument might have some influence. ....win
  • Posted By melbell melbell | 3 months ago
    So, I'd heard about bill Gates' claims to have a "solution to hurricanes", but I hadn't heard of the governmental experiments "seeding hurricanes". I live in Houston, Texas & have experienced more than a few hurricanes over the previous 15 years & while Katrina was extreme, it was by no way shape or form alone in it's destruction. Sadly for a place in as vulnerable a position as New Orleans was, they were badly prepared for such issues & Houston learned a few lessons that saved more than a few people last year during Ike.
    One thing that reverberates in my mind 'though after having read this article is to wonder if the storm that hit Houston in 2001 "Allison" was a storm that a "seeding experiment" was conducted on. That specific storm never reached more than a tropical storm status & moved on through from Houston through Louisiana all the way to the East Coast where it picked up speed & did considerable damage there also; it created massive flooding everywhere it hit & traveled for something like 3 weeks - I hadn't seen storms behave that way before or since & one of the problems from start to finish was the fact that it kept dumping massive amounts of rain on all the areas it hit & moved incredibly slowly extending possible problems. Just think if that was indeed a storm that this possibility of cloud seeding was experimented with, it could provide significant proof of some of the possible ecological damages that can be suffered should something go awry. I applaud realistic attempts @ helping the general public, but even if Winwenger's inventions work there is still the possibility of doing damage to the environment as change in temperature in the deeper waters could have some unforeseen effect as well - there have been more than a few instances over the past where the slightest change of water temperature changed entire ecological environments for creatures that had been in those areas previously. Unfortunately as a species we arrogantly move forward without trying to understand the negative possibilities of issues & as a result have already created much damage to our planet; it would be nice to believe that we are able to actually try to accurately analyze issues before we affect the world in a negative way just because we can. Thanks again for a very informative article & have a great day, yer pal Mel Bell.
  • Posted By windom windom | 3 months ago
    Mellbell, I agree with you in principle. What's been happening naturally, however, is that when two or more Cat 2 storms move over the same area of water, they mix water temperatures more than either my or Gates' versions of the storm-stopper would. I saw this a decade ago when a third hurricane moved into the Gulf following two others, and was starved in its tracks by the colder waters the first two had brought to the service. If anything, the proposed intervention would be more surgical, less of a disruption than the unfettered hurricanes would be.

    Sidenote: this software continues to forget my registration but won't let me re-use it to register so I can't reply much more here, I can reply to mail sent to wwenger101@aol.com....win wenger
  • Posted By ssgenterprises1 ssgenterprises1 | 3 months ago
    i need help for bussiness development i lost 5 lakh in my business so i need help from Mr. Bill Gates.
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