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North Andover : MA : USA | 4 months ago  
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"The Maverick and the MILF" - Bill Maher on the John McCain/Sarah Palin ticket.

Before Bill Maher made that comment – I had no idea what MILF stood for. I looked it up and before anyone sends a comment back that it was cable and was supposed to be a joke – I will only say –that you'd be barking up the wrong tree. Sexism to me is more dangerous than racism today– because somehow is socially ACCEPTABLE. Far worse, it crosses all age levels, educational levels and all beliefs.

Northeastern University Professor Gary Goshgarian said: "Women may seem to have made tremendous progress professionally and academically, but they are held back by indirect sexist comments and attitudes. They are caught in a catch-22. If they react against these seemingly small slights, they appear to be overreacting or too sensitive. But to let them pass may signal that such comments are somehow acceptable."

I used this quote earlier this week in one of my comments on another article while trying to explain that sexist comments are not funny. The argument it is "in humor" is too often used as an excuse by both male and females to allow sexist comments to be made. I find it apprehensible that as far as women have come on other issues, a female is still considered to be an acceptable joke. Racism is not acceptable in media but sexism is funny.

As an example – take the following quote about Supreme Court Nominee Sonia Sotomayor: "Let’s hope that the key conferences aren’t when she’s menstruating or something — or just before she’s going to menstruate. That would really be bad. Lord knows what we would get then." G Gordon Liddy.

This is funny? The woman has come from the projects of New York City to be sitting in front of 100 United States Senators for confirmation hearings for the possible benching on the United States Supreme Court – which is the greatest achievement in the United States, and her "female" construction is a comment out of someone’s mouth and we as females are suppose to accept it as a comment made in humor?

Insults on female politicians have hit all time high. When Hillary Clinton was a Vice Presidential contender Chris Matthews said: "The reason she’s a US Senator, the reason she’s a candidate for President, the reason she may be a front runner is her husband fooled around. That’s how she got to be Senator for NY. We keep forgetting it – she didn’t win it on merit…" and Chris Matthews still has his very own show. He is still considered to be a top-notch media anchor. What if instead of that comment he had said: "The reason he’s a US Senator, the reason he is a front runner is his father in from Kenya and he’s half black. That’s how he got to be Senator for Illinois." Does anyone really think that Chris Matthews would still have a show if he had made that summation about the candidacy of the other frontrunner?

David Letterman basically got away with his comments about Sarah Palin – because she was a female and jokes about females are acceptable. The problem is, when allowing sexism to overtake the qualifications of a female candidate, you essentially deny that hard work ethic and diligence have played a greater role in the advancement of the female than the wardrobe she may wear or the spouse she may have chosen. Sexist jokes tread a fine line between what is acceptable and what is not and as more and more women achieve higher heights in business and in the political arena the sexualization of women seems to be increasing. The media’s exploitation of females as sexist objects when they run for political office should never be tolerated and credentials should carry both male and female candidate’s equally.

Recently, I wrote another article that appeared on www.allvoices.com and my personal website www.viewpointright.com . It was a discussion on the political execution of Sarah Palin. One of the comments that struck me as straight to the point was by BorderExplorer (a contributor to www.allvoices.com .) BorderExplorer said: "Our most recent presidential nomination process and election proved to me also that sexism trumps racism in this country. The prevalent unawareness about this reality is particularly discouraging to me."

Sexism crosses all lines and all political parties. It is acceptable only because we continue to allow the jokes to be told and to not offend. A woman’s acceptance of sexism is in no way helpful to the advancement of females to an equal treatment status with men. If women are to expect that they not be judged on hair, nails, body and clothes for an office at the White House or at IBM then women should stand more together on the main stream media’s exploitation of females.

The only way this will ever change is when there is a zero tolerance of sexism.

The National Organization for Women stated: "NOW hopes that all the conservatives who are fired up about sexism in the media lately will join us in calling out sexism when it is directed at women who aren't professed conservatives."

That was a direct quote calling out the sexism directed at Sarah Palin.

I agree with NOW and I am a conservative.

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Posted By BorderExplorer BorderExplorer | 4 months ago
Great post, Maryann—and so timely with Sotomayor’s confirmation hearings underway. I'm honored you'd quote me here, and I accept NOW’s call that you are extending to all women: we must join forces and denounce sexism. It matters not who is in the crosshairs. Any who question this reality need only refer to the photo currently atop this post from Clinton's presidential bid--with the spectator’s sign: "IRON MY SHIRT.”
Posted By FauziaSultana FauziaSultana | 4 months ago
I second you Billie.In fact I don't appreciate too much of sex on ALLVOICES and avoid reading articles that expose "SEX" and nude pictures of men and women,unless there is some educational benefit one gets from them.I feel they are the "devils workshop!"What do you think ?
Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
I agree...Thanks for the comments Fauzia and Billie - The one thing that is universal is the belief that we are equal - and I strongly dislike the media slant. There is a MAJOR difference from sexuality and sexism. One being expressed and the other to suppress.
Posted By firesisle firesisle | 4 months ago
Your comments are spot on; sexism in journalism(or elsewhere) is just another use of the classical logic fallacy: ad hominem attack. It's even more of a cheap shot than attacking somebody's character or actions because it implies that there is some kind of a problem with being a women...

Classless and tacky..
Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
Thanks firesisle - could not agree more - thank you for the post.
Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
Nice post! [:-)
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Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
Nice post! [:-)
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Posted By MaximusYoung MaximusYoung | 4 months ago
I say as long as both men and women are equally, meaningully critiqued & satirized with no punches pulled, we'll have come a long ways...
Posted By mllovric mllovric | 4 months ago
It will continue as long as the women allow themselves to be put down. 15/7/2009.
Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
mllovric - case in point! Thanks!
Posted By Changez Changez | 4 months ago
I know I'm asking for it but anyway, here goes:

"The reason she’s a US Senator, the reason she’s a candidate for President, the reason she may be a front runner is her husband fooled around. That’s how she got to be Senator for NY. We keep forgetting it – she didn’t win it on merit…" -

How is this any different from people claiming George W got elected because of is 'daddy's' contacts?

If looked at objectively both perspectives are the same: Hillary got elected because of her husband and the fact that he slept around.
GW got elected because of his father and the fact that he was a former President. They are both denigrating or pointing out a certain fact.

I think that the points made at women now are a consequence of the greater equality they find. i.e. if Hillary was never able to stand for senate she would never be the butt of any jokes. However, the fact that she can stand for senate is a big step up from the past and she will be the victim of as many if not more humourous and not so humourous criticisms and witticisms as any male candidate.

I get it when you say that the jokes are directed particularly at stereotypes about her gender. I can't say that there are as many jokes made about men being men in the media, because I can't remember any, however there are plenty in general, like men are all stupid, pigs etc.

But like Mllovric said, the only way to combat those stereotypes is to not live up to them. So if men are not pigs, they defy a stereotype, or if all the women who commented on this article don't gang up and kill me, that would be defying another stereotype.

It is through those things, living up to our reputations, that we eventually suppress and put down ourselves.
Reply By Juggernaut180 Juggernaut180 | 4 months ago
I agree with Changez. Had the comment been, "the reasons she's a US senator is that she's got a cracking ass" then it's sexiest, but i don't think there's a sexist undertone to the comment as it is, other than she happens to be a woman and it's a comment against her.
I think its a fair point to suggest that Hilary Clinton may well have got votes on the back of her association with her husband and not just her policies alone.
There needs to be a genuine distinction between genuine sexism and simply construing any comment against someone happening to be a woman as sexist.
There are doubtless many examples of true sexism perpetrated against women and you run the risk of a 'boy who called wolf' senario if we begin claiming all comments against all women as being sexist either in content or motivation.
And, as pretty much every other subject, sexism can, if done correctly, with humility and intelligence, be funny. As can drawing on the differences between any other social group or type. To say something catergorically can or cannot be funny seems far too all- encompassing a statement to carry any truth whatsoever.
Posted By kyle_m88 kyle_m88 | 4 months ago
What about sexism against men?

Why do men always lose custody battles? Why is it harder for a man to adopt a child? Why is there no equal sentencing against false rape claims? Why are women not expected to get drafted in the millitary?

Sexism appears on both sides,not just against women.

Sure there are jokes about Sarah Palin, but what about jokes against other male politicians? No one says anything about that... but if it's a joke against women, then all hell breaks loose...

Im not saying that you are wrong, i actually agree with you 100%, but you fail to acknowledge the sexism against men in today's society. I am for EQUAL rights, not more rights for one specific gender.
Posted By JerrySatire JerrySatire | 4 months ago
Nice post! [:-)
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Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
Hi Changez - Implying that she was made Senator not because of her merits but because her husband fooled around takes away any foreign experience, political experiences, law degrees, political activism, committee chairs etc... ALL taken away based on a sexist comment that her husband is the only reason she became Senator - If people didn't feel sorry for her - because her husband cheated on her -she would have never been elected. I lived in NY when Hillary became Senator and she ran a tough and charged political race. The question I had was never related to her sex - only that she only moved TO NY to become a Senator and had never truly been a resident before - so how was she to truly understand the State of NY - especially with respects to the Upstate.

Had it been - because her husband was a former President, I would agree with you that the comments were similar to those phrased about Bush - hence, the fine line.

I do not see how Bill Clinton's receiving a blow job as reason for Hillary's election to the NY Senate being on par with a comment that George W's father being the reason he became President.

You are right - BorderExpress is right - I am right - Mllovric is right ... esentially stating zero tolerance is the only way we can expect to change mentalities and attitudes about the progress of women based on merit and not sex.
Reply By Changez Changez | 4 months ago
I totally knew you were going to get me on the fine line.
Reply By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
That's because you read all my posts and vice versa!

Thanks for reading - and commenting!
MA
Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
Kyle - Agreed men face sexism as well.

To be fair however, women reacting to the sexism raises additional sexism a large portion of the time and also more jokes verses a man's reaction being taken as a considerably more serious matter. NOT that sexism is ok on either ...it is not.

Thanks for the comment!
Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
Thank you, Firesisle, for that wonderful addition to the peice.
Posted By firesisle firesisle | 4 months ago
I think it's common to conveniently overlook the manner in which women have been oppressed, historically, especially when you consider the fact the black men received the right to vote long before any woman of any color.

Through most of our history, and really the history of the world, women were the chattel of their husbands, either by decree of law, or by the attitudes and actions of the society in which they lived.

In many cultures, they can be beaten, discarded, or even killed with impunity if they displease their husband; in some cultures if they displease ANY man. In the US, far too many are beaten and abused with the same impunity, through fear, and coercion, and the, unfortunately, much too prevalent attitude that they somehow deserve it.

Historically, again, it has been the woman who provided the glue which held most families together; during the depression, when men were losing their jobs, women were able to find work in servile positions, as maids, cleaning women, nannies, etc, which were either unavailable or socially and culturally unacceptable to the men of that era. Rarely were they recognized, either by their spouses and children, or by the society in general for their contributions.

In spite of this, it took an amendment to the Constitution, in 1920, nearly 60 years after slavery was repealed, for US women to be guaranteed the basic right to vote, and not until 1948, with the adoption of it's "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", did the United Nations pass it into international law.

That is, however, only one aspect of sexual discrimination. It took yet another 30 years for the UN to adopt the "Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women".

Yes, there is sexism directed against men; the stereotypes abound everywhere you turn, but in no way, in my opinion, has it ever been as virulent as the consistently demeaning treatment of women.

Posted By firesisle firesisle | 4 months ago
Thanks! It's a subject, even as a Conservative male, that I'm fairly passionate about.
Posted By paulusmatthew paulusmatthew | 4 months ago
I agree with you. Well spoken. I would like to add that the major problem is with what those who pay for comedy, find funny. If you were to ask comedians today, i'm not positive only pretty sure thier response would be, that's what people want.(i.e david letterman's non- apology).

I have never found slights of one's being to be funny. Wasn't it Martin Luther King who said,"... but by the content of thier character"? I ask anyone to point out a comedian today who is cleanly funny. Only two come to mind readily. Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall.

When we as a species decide that degrading comments are not acceptable, then will it stop. The problem is that those of us who would prefer it to stop, will not enter the fray lest we also become wrapped up in all the negativity.

I do wish it were different.
thanks Paul
Reply By firesisle firesisle | 4 months ago
Just as a journey begins with the first step, real change begins with one person who determines that they will do the right thing... if we are willing, things will be different, my friend.
Posted By jukebokz jukebokz | 4 months ago
Your SEXism in America article is the best thing I've read on Allvoices so far. You're absolutely right about our nation's double standard when it comes to jokes about women. Unfortunately, I don't ever see it changing much precisely because of what you mentioned in our article about how if a woman objects to or complains about crude and sexist humor, she will be mocked for being "too sensitive" or "too emotional," which would bring on another maelstrom of inappropriate jokes and comments about her gender. Yet not saying anything gives tacit acceptance. I don't know how we as a society can go about changing this dilemma, but I applaud our journalistic efforts to expose it for what it is.
Posted By MichaelSpringer MichaelSpringer | 4 months ago
One has to wonder if the issue of sexism in America is a side-effect of religious values that place so much emphasis on the "traditional" family that is based on Judeo-Christian ethics. There is a direct relation between discrimination towards women and the prevalence of religious value structures that are historically male dominated. Just look at what is going on in the Middle East, where women's rights are undoubtedly stifled by the conservative Islamic male power structure. That is not to say that religion is the only source of the problem, but it is a HUGE road block, maybe the biggest road block, that is standing in the way of progress for women's rights throughout the world.

While this is a factor within the United States, there are other problems that need to be addressed in order to change the treatment of women, including the tolerance of sexist attitudes that Maryann points out, but also the portrayal of women as sex objects that occurs all too often in our media, and the complacency of many women who buy into that image and try to live up to it.

I go back to my main point when I say that religious traditions have had a profound effect on gender roles in America and our perception of what men are supposed to be and what women are supposed to be, and how they are supposed to act according to those archetypes. Unfortunately Maryann I think the most change has to occur within your own political constituency. There are still a great deal of conservative American men (and women for that matter) that struggle with the idea of women being equal to men because of beliefs that are deeply rooted in those archetypes.
Posted By firesisle firesisle | 4 months ago
There is nothing Christian, nor Jewish about the abuse of anyone; I think the role of a woman in a Christian or Jewish home is commonly misunderstood. Traditionally, there are gender specific roles and responsibilities, but these don't necessarily indicate any type of dominance. It requires the union of man and woman to create a cohesive family unit. In modern times, these roles can and do change, and are only fiercely maintained by fundamentalists.

I do, believe, however, that you make a good point insofar as there are definitely those who use scripture of any religion, to take advantage of their own personal insecurities, and control issues. It's unfortunate that so many times these actions are perceived by others as somehow being the norm, when they are more of an aberration.
Posted By MichaelSpringer MichaelSpringer | 4 months ago
Most definitely. I did not mean to imply that these religions promote the degradation of women; I was trying to make the point that you touched on, mainly that people misinterpret these ideologies to the point where religion can sometimes unintentionally end up doing more harm than good in terms of the impact they have on people's lives. I think for these reasons, we need what Joseph Campbell called for when he stated in his book "The Power of Myth" that these religions are not serving the purpose for which they were created, mainly, to help people deal with the everyday reality of life on Earth. For our modern society, we need a new myth that helps us interpret reality and figure out how to live our lives in a meaningful and productive way, because what we have in place right now is not working, and people are taking notice. I know this sounds like I am trashing religion, but I truly do not believe that religion, at it's core, is a bad thing. But, as you say fireisle, people can skew the positive message to fit their own personal ethos and it ends up being counter-productive to the progress we are looking for.
Reply By firesisle firesisle | 4 months ago
I didn't take our statement that way... I was merely doing some clarifying of my own.

I think, as with most things, it's not the religions but the people who follow them that create the problems. I would have to disagree with Campbell, that "these religions are not serving the purpose for which they were created, mainly, to help people deal with the everyday reality of life on Earth." This is the statement of a man who really has a academic view of religion in general, and fails to understand, in my view, it's purpose.

Religion isn't to help people deal with everyday life, but to provide a repeatable framework for expanding their spiritual awareness. For some, unfortunately, it becomes an end unto itself, and a destination rather than a journey.

If people want order and structure, and nothing else they can always join the Army. For those who really want to become one with something greater than themselves, practicing a religion as it was intended can bring about positive growth, both personal and spiritual.
Posted By Write4Life Write4Life | 4 months ago
Juggernaut180 - thank you for the comment - I just wanted to point out that it isn't that Hillary made the office because her husband was President - Matthews said it was because he fooled around. That is the difference between journalism and sensationalism – or one might argue – forcing opinion over fact. The argument will be made it is his show – but again, with the comment he took away any previous work she had done in the advancement of her own career and labeled it as null to that of her husband’s indiscretions.

IF you get the chance to listen to his comments - I believe it is somewhere on youtube- you will hear in the background a woman's voice. Although she does not interrupt - there is definitely a reflection of distaste in her attempted interruptions.

jukebokz - thank you for the compliment and the comment - I believe we will start to see the common place of sexism changing with the advancement of women both in the private, political and family structures. It is only recently that it has become more of an issue to many women and more are listening. It is very much a discrimination issue and whereas there was a time in history when others had to fight against stereotypes and against the “role” of their race/sex – women do need to join together across all parties to understand that mutual respect for each other will garner us more strength then to demean and allow others to demean us.

Education leads more to freedom than release from religion -- which is, in part, what Michael and Fireisles are discussing. As our world advances, we've seen some improvement in the female voice advocating AGAINST discrimination based on sex - even in these long suppressed areas where religion still dominates politics.

I hold that women are powerful and strong and in every respect as much so as the male in the world and capable of tremendous strides against sexism regardless of party affiliation. If women speak up against sexism as a whole – it is no longer a party issue. One woman’s view on abortion would not compete with another’s because a woman has a right to decisions based on personal belief just as would a man and they also have the right to vocalize that belief without sexist rhetoric being swirled at them for saying so.

I truly thank everyone for this wonderful discussion and hope that in some small way as you go about your day tomorrow and the next day - when you see sexism - directed either at a female OR a male - you will not laugh and say it is fun - but REACT and state quite simply - it is inappropriate in this day and age.


Posted By MaximusYoung MaximusYoung | 4 months ago
Hmm, I just wonder what lessons from tackling racism can be applied to sexism, if any?
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