Muslim Oppression

Nothing - people make people bad.
Excellent points.... that poor child witnessed a horrible racial crime. I sincerely hope he not only receives justice but the judge and court are required to explain to that child why they allowed this to happen to his parents.

Very tragic!

Germans still have the ideals of Hitler being passed down to them from their grandparents. The officers were not ready in the courtroom because the Germans have never been ready in war ever. They haven't won a war in more than an hundred years. They lost in World War I and World War II. They couldn't even colonize in Africa; that is how horrible there armies have been. Even in 1939, Germany only picked on little countries with bad militaries. What makes Islam different and bad is that radical Islams are the only ones attaching backpacks filled with dynamite to themselves and allowing clerics to hit the detonator button. It is also bad because those same clerics that preach suicide bombing never do any suicide missions. Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda give Islam a bad name.

One intentional action after another and we begin to see doors opening for a reality of co-existence free of prejudice behavior. The more people see it's okay to let go of these patterns of the past, the sooner people discover the heart of awareness, the sooner people are realizing their fears, and the better off society becomes with a future of individuals visualizing happiness for one another through art and music. Through the internalization of generosity, people find hope in what can be achieved with a positive mindset and a fearless attempt at globalizing the gift of giving - we know that our actions affect those around us and more. Let our ripples generate colors of tranquility and express our contentment in equality as we pursue our family's needs. Peace and prosperity

iwant to give one person his right.thanks for this article,but hamas and hezballh not bad they defence for their home not for other aims.finally continue for sake eslam ............

excuse me u think im saying that there are bad people i meant hamas and hezballah never ever im egyptian and i know who is bad and who is wrong they r gooooooooooooooood

Yusuf, are you talking about *this* story:

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090703-20359.html ??

"Woman killed in courtroom bloodbath was pregnant
Published: 3 Jul 09 11:42 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090703-20359.html

A woman stabbed to death in a Dresden courtroom was three months pregnant, reported German newspaper Bild on Friday.


According to Egyptian newspapers, the woman was Marwa al-Sherbini, a 32-year-old Egyptian national who was suing her attacker after he insulted her for wearing the Islamic headscarf. The attacker, identified only as Alex W., was appealing the €780 fine he was ordered to pay in the libel suit.

Al-Sherbini was the wife of Egyptian academic Elwi Ali-Okaz. He was also hurt in the incident after he tried to help his wife and is in critical condition in hospital. Police are now investigating Alex W. for manslaughter.

“The investigation into this bloody crime is bound to show there are some indications the suspect was hostile toward foreigners – the signs are there,” said Saxony police chief Bernd Merbitz told Bild.

Magdi al-Sayed, press officer at the German embassy in Cairo, said the case was isolated and did not reflect German attitude towards Muslims.

"It is a criminal act. It has nothing to do with persecution against Muslims," Sayed told the Egyptian state newspaper The Gazette.

The stabbing happened July 1, just before al-Sherbini was to give her evidence. During the struggle, other bystanders were also injured and police fired a shot. Al-Sherbini died in the courtroom.

The 28-year-old attacker was overpowered and is now under investigation for manslaughter, a spokesman for the Dresden prosecutor's office said.

Chairman of the German judge federation Christoph Frank is now demanding that safety and security measures must be brought up to standard.

“Each individual law court must be examined and security infrastructure put in place to better protect citizens,” he said to the Bild.

The incident recalled a similar scene of courtroom violence in the Bavarian town of Landshut in April, when a 60-year-old man shot his sister-in-law before turning the gun on himself, following an inheritance ruling."

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I am not minimizing the tragedy of what happened - but as a 'reporter', you got a few facts wrong. You didn't even mention that other bystanders were also injured. The name of the world-famous city is Dresden. The attacker's given name was Alex, not Max.

And, as you can read above, the husband was not shot dead - he is in critical condition, or at least he was at the time of the real story's writing.

I point this out not to quibble, but to say that all of this has the smell of a real news story (the one I cut and pasted above, and provided a link to) that has been twisted into a more fanciful, outrageous tale - by rumormongers with an agenda of their own.

Your 'story' has all the earmarks of a story *based* on fact, but exaggerated and enhanced, for political reasons. At best, you were sloppy in your 'reporting', and were not deliberately trying to mislead. I have to wonder, though, given that you don't even have the correct names of the people involved, nor even the name of the well-known city where the actual incident (the non-enhanced, *real* incident) occured, about your motives.

You can also see that courts in Germany, like in the US and in many other countries, have had incidents *not* involving religion or ethnic differences, but resulting in death [the other case given by the German newspaper story above involved a man who shot his sister-in-law and then shot himself].

The Germans' lack of police in courts is due less to the fantasy that the populace have "the ideals of Hitler being passed down to them from their grandparents", as one commenter put it, and more to do with the reality that Germans in 2009 are actually quite de-Nazified, liberal, pacifist, and distrustful of government power, three generations after Nazi rule. How many Germans have you met in your life? I have worked and studied with many. The absence of police in the courts [a situation which the article quotes an official as needing rectification] is attritutable to the 180-degree turn German society took right after the Nazis' downfall - police in the courts were seen as an authoritarian presence, and so postwar Germany has tried to be as un-Nazi-like as possible, in its courts, as in the rest of its society.

Nowhere in this article is there anything similar to the alleged quote by the unnamed officer, who, according to you, when asked, "stated that, 'He shot the black man because he thought he was causing problems.' "

How this German newspaper could have all of the relevant facts, (many of which you left out, or got wrong), yet not contain *any* mention of this alleged quote by the unnamed policeman which you somehow know of from unknown and unnamed sources (Egyptian TV, newspapers, or websites, I presume) defies all logic and reason.

It sounds like the Arab rumor mill took a horrible tragedy and added extra layers of outrageousness to it, for purposes of milking feelings of group grievance and victimization. Yeah, that's never happened before. (The three most insulting 'cartoons' regarding the Prophet turned out not to have been created by a Dane, but by Muslim leaders trying to create outrage among believers. But I won't give any more examples of the rumor and conspiracy culture in the Mideast - I don't have that much time.)

Surprise me - don't write something nasty back. If you want to correct me, simply provide the links, for everyone to read, **from a reputable news source (Der Spiegel English edition, Reuters, AFP, AP, New York Times, e.g.)**, which contains that unknown policeman's quote.

As you can read in the real article that I pasted in above, the German ambassador to Egypt took pains to make it clear that his country is not anti-Muslim, in the hopes of pre-empting the distortion of this horrible story, but to no avail, as we can see... from distortions like yours. The Egyptian rumor machine works quickly. It now includes allvoices, apparently - to gull those not energetic enough to fact-check for themselves. Germany has millions of Turks who are Muslims and proud German citizens.

By the way, I hope that Professor Elwi Ali-Okaz did not die after the writing of the story I cut and pasted above, but rather recovered, though he has obviously suffered a tremendous loss if he did survive.
I have nothing but sympathy for him, and his wife, and their families.
I *abhor* the violence committed by this "Alex W" piece of human garbage. It's too bad Germany doesn't have the death penalty for him.
But that was another thing they did away with after the Nazis, for obvious reasons.

I only take issue with the misuse of a 'citizen journalism' site to deliberately mislead, spread rumor without any sourcing, and stoke animosity where there is no cause to do so.

Allvoices citizen journalism is perhaps best exemplified by reports from the freedom-seeking people of Iran last month - real citizen journalists; what is the purpose of posting distorted versions of real stories on allvoices, that you heard on TV, or read on another site, when anyone can look up what really happened in a matter of seconds, like I did? I think, sadly, I know the reason. It's because many people will just read your report and not bother to check anything out for themselves. That's kind of sad, really.

If you post a link from a reputable, respected news agency or world-class newspaper that backs up that "quote' from the mysterious policeman with no name, I'll fall out of my chair in shock, but... I'll admit my error readily.

By the way, you ask at the end, "when is racism going to stop?"
But you only discuss religion in the rest of that paragraph - you don't mention race at all, after asking when it will stop.
You easily switch between the alleged racism of the mystery cop, to religious bigotry as the problem in this incident.
Are 'racism' and religious bigotry the same thing in your mind?
Most people recognize that they are two quite different things. There can be overlap...but it's not a 'given' that there is overlap in any situation.
Which was it, racism, religious bigotry, or both? How do you *know* what caused it?
If you think it is *both* racism, *and* religious bigotry, how do you arrive at that conclusion? Don't you need to be in Alex's mind to know? Your sources say he called Marwa al-Sherbini a 'terrorist' - this is not prima facie evidence of 'racism' in most people's books - that sounds like either religious bigotry, or chauvinism, or a political statement, or who-knows-what-else.
But again, you didn't provide any source for that quote. You read it on a web site, or in a newspaper, which you deigned not to identify. I am going to *assume* that you did not speak to Alex personally by telephone from Germany.

This is allvoices.com, not allrumors.com, or allsortoftruebutembellishedwithmadeupstuff.com.

Salam,
Tom

There is not ONE society in this world that does not have representatives within it that will inevitably give the whole a bad name. It's a Universal problem.... Germany has come a long way since WWII and to hold the country as a whole responsible for events 60 years ago - is unfortunate. Research on depressed economies and joblessness shows that it does NOT take much for a mass of people to follow blindly behind a leader of promise - even if that promise is evil to the core..... Unfortunately, all societies have individuals who are intelligent enough to seize that opportunity................. IT could happen anywhere and to ignore this fact is closing your eyes. . .Good people exist everywhere. Bad people do too, and tend, unfortunately to dominate the press.

Wow!!!!
You just wrote:
"excuse me u think im saying that there are bad people i meant hamas and hezballah never ever im egyptian and i know who is bad and who is wrong they r gooooooooooooooood"

I get it...Arabs goooooood...Jews baaaaad...(no, I'm not Jewish.)
I'm not even a Christian anymore.
I'm worse, in your book - I'm an atheist.

And after your last comment, I have no interest in seeing your reply back to me, regarding the German incident, or engaging with you in any way.

Notice I didn't name-call or insult - I'm not one to use the anonymity of the web to engage in ungentlemanly behavior.

Well, I hope that "one set of people goooood, one set baaaaad" thing works out for you.

Good luck with that.

(I think I know why Islamic civilization peaked around AD 1200.)

I think I'll find a new citizen journalist web site.
This is a hate site, and a rumor site, and - well, have fun.

Yusuf,
You wrote:
"excuse me u think im saying that there are bad people i meant hamas and hezballah never ever im egyptian and i know who is bad and who is wrong they r gooooooooooooooood "

One set of people gooood, one set baaaad?
Oh my!
I think we have nothing more to discuss.
Actually, I KNOW we have nothing more to discuss.
No, I'm not Jewish. ^^
Nor Christian, any longer. I'm an atheist.

I think I know why Islamic civilization peaked circa 1200 AD.

(If this is a duplicate-sounding post, it's because I thought I 'lost' a similar post due to an allvoices glitch.)

Publius I think you are loosing the point of this story. Many write articles on this site about a variety of instances and ideas. Many are news worthy and some are shear stupidity. Just because the translation of a man's name is wrong, does not make the story wrong. I also researched this article as you said. I found differring view points of the husband being killed and also being in critical condtion. You may go and verify these sites and the incident as other news reporters reported. It is the same account.
Racism is about what exactly to you? Religion, culture, color of one's skin, or maybe just where you live or where your family is from. I say racism comes from all of these and not just as you say " You easily switch between the alleged racism of the mystery cop, to religious bigotry as the problem in this incident.
Are 'racism' and religious bigotry the same thing in your mind?
Most people recognize that they are two quite different things. There can be overlap...but it's not a 'given' that there is overlap in any situation."

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

The UN does not define "racism", however it does define "racial discrimination": according to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Racial discrimination is treating people differently through a process of social division into categories not necessarily related to races.

Maulana Karenga argued that racism constituted the destruction of culture, language, religion and human possibility, and that the effects of racism were "the morally monstrous destruction of human possibility involved redefining African humanity to the world, poisoning past, present and future relations with others who only know us through this stereotyping and thus damaging the truly human relations among peoples."

So as you can see, racisim does not just point out one part of a person, however, all parts of a person.

Furthermore, you say; "Well, I hope that 'one set of people goooood, one set baaaaad' thing works out for you." When Yusuf states,"I know who is bad and who is wrong they r gooooooooooooooood." Are you saying you do not know who is good and who is bad? A person has the right to feel another person is good or bad.I hope that you can tell a good person from a bad person. I taught my daughter to identify bad people when they cause her harm, she learned this at 3 years old when her cousin hit her for jealousy, yes, she can even identify bad people! There is nothing here to say that he said a group of people except when he referrred to the comment from theeslamlover which states;"hamas and hezballh not bad they defence for their home not for other aims". At which point Yusuf responded back with "excuse me u think im saying that there are bad people i meant hamas and hezballah never ever" He does not refer to this group, he stated afterwards that he knows that there are good and bad people, all know that there are good and bad people.
So tell me what are your real issues with this article?

www.youm7.net

http://www.egyptdailynews.com/

http://www.almasry-alyoum.com/article2.aspx?ArticleID=217708

It is good article , but when we stopped words and Started to stand against any person hate us .....

Allah said
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ...." لكم دينكم و لي ديني "... صدق الله العظيم

YES U PUT UR HAND ON THE POINT

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم{ولن ترضى عنك اليهود ولا النصارى حتى تتبع ملتهم قل ان هدى الله هو الهدى ولئن اتبعت اهواءهم بعد الذى جاءك من العلم ما لك من الله من ولى ولا نصير }.......... بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم { فصبر واغفر وذلك من عزم الامور}...... بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم { يا ايها الذين امنوا استعينوا بالصبر والصلاه ان الله مع الصابرين }........... بسم الله الرحمن الحيم{ ولنبلونكم بشىء من الخوف والجوع ونقص فى الاموال والانفس والثمرات وبشر الصابرين الذين اذا اصابتهم مصيبة قالوا انا لله وانا اليه راجهون اولئك عليهم صلوات من ربهم ورحمه واولئك هم المهتدون} so brother this is god word in quran every thing so easy to see but this people dont have book like qurn to make them sure as us that we are in the true relagen so be happy god say this all in quran so we are sure from this but god tell us too that we have to be moslm and dont do things bad. so dont mind what this people do coz this god know and we have to believe that we are in this earth just to pray and if we work this just to get money to get food to can live and pray to god but this people just live the life to have fun from drink and have sex like animals with any one do really just ask god to forgive moslem and help them to be good moslem and make the bad people that they do things bad and say we are moslem to be good people look in NASA how many people become moslem this coz they find what they find now in space it was orady in quran so there is more and more moslm become every hour so just help your brother to be more good moslem and if you find one moslem do something bad try to help him to be good man

واعدو لهم ما استطعتم من قوة ومن رباط الخيل ده الى المفروض يتعمل مش شوية حزن وعتاب او اعتزار فى البرامج وبعد كده كل حاجه تتنسىياريت نصحااا شويه ونفكر الناس ديه عاوزه مننا ايه