DARWIN WAS DEAD WRONG

Did you ever just think, think, that creation does not have to be an instantaneous process, and that in fact, evolution is the mechanism by which creation manifests itself. Why do you have to equate God with something you can personify and understand, instead of leaving it unknowable and beyond comprehension?

Changez, I did not refer to God, did I? Changez, I simply do not understand what you are saying. Why don't you simply check out TIM HARWOOD and see what I am talking about.

I didn't say anything about creation being an instantaneous process either. Please stop drinking so heavily and smoking that crack pipe when contributing to this forum.

I didn't say evolution doesn't take place either, did I? No, I said DARWIN WAS WRONG! And, that some form of incredibly capable intelligence has been involved with the establishment of life as we know it.

Please READ what I actually wrote and stop making things up, OK?

My crack pipe is not up for debate. However saying Darwin was dead wrong is. What do you mean when you say intelligence is behind the creation or establishment of life? I am simply arguing that such an intelligence is beyond comprehension and therefore is beyond classification. Evolution is not a justification for atheism, and form what I can see of the quotes you have provided, the men on record are simply stating that evolution may not be the best hypothesis for explaining how creatures adapt and change in it's specifics, rather than refuting the idea altogether. Not to mention none of them gives any evidence of their claims. Evolution is a theory and it will have it's detractors.

I simply view evolution as a process that is observable. If I was a religious man I would say that evolution is the tool by which an intelligence decided to create life in all it's different forms. Not to exclude a creator but the same way we can look at stars and see how they are made, we can marvel at the process by which a vast intelligence can give birth to life and celebrate that intelligence, not confine it to our restrictions on what it should look like.

OK, Changez, I get you brother. I like what you are saying.

The point I am talking about is the point where Darwin claims that NO INTELLIGENCE was necessary in ANY OF IT, thereby essentially eliminating, SCIENTIFICALLY, the existence of such intelligence or ANY form of God whatsoever. THIS is the Darwinian point most atheists use as their SCIENTIFIC proof that there is NO GOD.

Changez, it is also interesting to learn how Darwin is believed to have been a racist, and how he supported the movement to apply his evolutionary theory to people too. Then it is known as Social Darwinism. This is where the superiority and inferiority of various races enters the picture. TIM HARWOOD had a nice article on his site about this too.

Hitler was a big fan of this Social Darwinism, believing it was OK to kill deformed people, Black People, Jews, and Slavs because they were inferior to his German people.

Harwood's article goes on to describe how Social Darwinism was a handy tool to justify Slavery, Imperialism, Racism, Genocide, The Holocaust, Fascism, and taking advantage of the poor.

I don't think it is possible for an intelligent man, like darwin, to deny the existence of God, but maybe the perception of it as put through the church etc. Like einstein, who was a very spiritual person.

social darwinism is of course a convoluted extension of his theory that I do not knwo too much about, but can see how it was twisted by twisted minds. I will find out. Thanks for the heads up. peace

Mos said it best: "Smarts! Get smart with your smartness! Too busy surviving to argue about Darwin! Darlin!" Now that's real talk. Perhaps his point should be taken.

It's hard to believe such ignorance still exists after Darwin's theory was published. Obviously, there are exceptions to the theory--you sure haven't evolved!

It's hard to believe such ignorance still exists after Darwin's theory was published over 150 years ago. Obviously, there are exceptions to the theory--you sure haven't evolved!

mllovric: Darwin wrote that man and all species had to adapt to different challenges in their environments or simply perish. I'm sure no species just "sitting around for a thousand years" ever existed because the only constant in nature--in life--is change. Those that haven't adapted to those changes perished. If you look a pictures from just 25 or 50 years ago you can see change. The phenomenal breakthroughs in medicine over the past 50 years shows how man as adapted--evolved--into a more survivable species.
I cannot but think their was a super force that produced the Big Bang which is still expanding the universe. This is something I can't explain as a mortal. But whether or not God or a god created the universe has no bearing on my day-to-day life. I don't like using the trite phrase but it is what it is.

mllovric: Darwin wrote that man and all species had to adapt to different challenges in their environments or simply perish. I'm sure no species just "sitting around for a thousand years" ever existed because the only constant in nature--in life--is change. Those that haven't adapted to those changes perished. If you look at pictures from just 25 or 50 years ago you can see change--improvements. The phenomenal breakthroughs in medicine over the past 50 years shows how man has adapted--evolved--into a more survivable species.
I cannot but think their was an outside force that produced the Big Bang which is still expanding the universe. This is something I can't explain as a mortal. But whether or not God or a god created the universe has no bearing on my day-to-day life. I don't like using the trite phrase but "it is what it is. "

mllovric Kudos on reading the Bible, Koran and the Book of Moron. Now how about picking up a science book or two... maybe at around the sixth grade level.

mllovric Kudos on reading the Bible, Koran and the Book of Moron. Now how about picking up a science book or two... maybe at around the sixth grade level.

It looks like this topic has been exhausted. It's time to end this ridiculous "internet beef" between both users, and move on. Mos said it best: "Smarts! Get smart with your smartness! Too busy surviving to argue about Darwin! Darlin!"

Fine with me, InspectorGadget. I'm usually tolerant of others' opinions; it's just hard for me to suffer fools.

Nevertheless, it is quite entertaining to see both of you go at it. Maybe Allvoices.com should arrange a real-life debate, cage match style. Put money and a championship belt on the line, winner takes all! Bring your tag team, bring your sources, bring your materials, and bring whatever else you need. Battling each other like this on some website is just pathetic. This is some grown man business! We need to settle it in the streets!

That site is nothing more than quote mine after quote mine. Try something scientific.

We are all dumber for having read this.

First of all, that's not science. Second, for you to be right, you'd have to deny many, many known FACTS, summarized in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj587d5ies

Wrong about what? I'd say without knowledge of dna and molecular biology he did pretty good.It might not have occured exactly how he envisioned it but it is a fact that the main ideas of his theory have been proven correct.

Truly bwinwright, your ignorance (or trolling bluff) is comical!!
'The theory of evolution justifies atheism' ???
It might, tangentally, but the two intellectual positions are not necessarily connected.
Atheism is the natural, normal, outlook on life for a free mind.
The 'theory' of evolution via natural selection is a proven scientific description of the fundamental mechanisms whereby species have come to be as they are.
It is even possible for a mind to be both polluted by religious delusion and sufficiently educated to understand the process of evolution.
Surprising, isn't it, the plasticity of the mind?