Obama Plays it Safe

Afterthought: Everyone was saying where's Obama, where's Obama? Why hasn't he this or that? Well, he did. So what? People are more interested in finding ways to criticize him than they are finding solutions to problems or making progress in our collective situation.

MrOrange,

We the American elected Mr Obama as our President. We expect our leaders to speak out forcefully when there are obviously violations of human rights and calls from the protestors to condemn those acts.
Stop making excuses for an appeaser and see it for what it is.

A collectivist? Is that akin to "communism" and "world government" agendas, collectivism?

Gee, more lives are lost in this country in the border states each and every day than those have been in Iran due to the open borders situation. And you don't see the "liberal" element as is found in San Francisco crying out about the injustice of their fellow Americans lives and property which has been lost in the six years since 9/11.

If that border fencing had been in many in Arizona and California also wouldn't be losing their homes, due to the high auto and property insurance rates there, and also their kids might be able once again to not have to be tied to their parents and home with cell phones due to all the violence in this country.

And we haven't had a fair election in this country since the Democratics and Republicans usurped our political process, and think the last two elections, at least, were as suspect as this one.

These demonstrations are being held and built up by the liberal media and Israeli lobby, so that once again the U.S. citizens will demand we go in and "take are of the Iranian problem." And Obama is simply waiting for the media to do their work, so that when we do go in or pose sanctions or whatever else, mostly on behalf of Israel, the American people will feel comfortable with it. Why are most of those signs in English? And why has the chaos going on at our own borders been protected by our media and kept out of it somehow due to being "political correctness" in this country also covers illegal immigrant terrorists and border hoppers that prey on the public in this country and now have gained "equal rights" with AMericans, although contributing little to it, on balance, over the costs covered by the taxpayers.

What a spin. And you are buying all of this. It's a set up, because the feds have been dying to go into Iran, and are simply now making their case before the American people through the media, in order to keep this Middle Eastern war going indefinitely for the bankers, who make profit on war, not peace.

Wake up.

Hmmm... speak he did. So what?

Came upon a video comparing Obama's stand on Iran today with Reagan's stand on Poland in the early 80s. Posting it here, not to take any stance but just to let a few minds thinking.

The more I watch the video, the more I like the Reagan's speech. It's true that Obama isn't acting with the same bold step, but there's very much thought in Obama's response. He's walking a tighter line then Reagan was trying to walk. I can only assume how Iran would respond to such a speech, especially given their stance on the nuclear program, etc. But it's certainly an alternative.

The religious leaders rule that country, not the elected president, so all of this is simply for the Western media. Iran has a "state" religion and it is the Muslim faith. And the Muslim faith actually ascribes to Old Testament law and the 10 Commandments to the "letter" of the law, unlike the U.S. where we have no established religion, however, Chrisitianity and the "spirit" of the law is behing all our civil and criminal laws. Letting the punishment fit the crime, jury trials, due process....those are all included in our Bill of Rights, and Iran has no such government. It's government is according to the word of the religious leaders, through their President.

And Israel also has a "state" religion, and these to "state" religions have been in conflict for over 2,000 years, due to the fact that the basic problems are religious - much of what has to do with the charging of "usury" or interest on debt, and also the punishments for capital offenses. We may not agree with that, but it is for the people in their own civil war to decide. But I believe Obama is not being silent, he is letting the media speak for him, so that when the U.S. does eventually get involved it will be because the media has done it's work.

Most of those signs are in English. Those interviewed speak fluent English. This is an excuse, and as I said since Bush - Hillary Clinton was the one that actually pushed to have Iran stated as an "unfriendly nation," during the Bush Administration. While the liberals in this country were screaming "foul" and wanted to end the war, now most of them on the bandwagon due to what they perceive as "human rights," issues based on Western concepts.

Stealing, adultery, and other crimes to them are also crimes against God, and the punishment for that is "literal" death, not spiritual death or "death" of an important relationship, that with others and with God, as the Christian faith ascribes. But literal death. And the U.S. is now an enemy because we continue to get involved due to our alliances with Israel, and with Great Britain who also has a "state" religion and also ruled must of Palestine before the two World Wars.

Why DO you think the attack that happened in this country was levied against the World Trade Center, the center of finance in this country. Because it isn't simply "capitalism" but also "usury" which is involved here - and the outrageous banking practices of the Western Banks also in the Palestinea countries, and in our own, which has now left many Americans homeless and stripped of their life savings.

We are in the middle of a banking and oil war, and also dominion in the Middle East for both our government through the Fed, and also protection of Israel due to our continued alliances with Britain especially. The country we actually fought a war to escape their "dominion." American and Americans are being used again for the agendas of the few for "world" economic control, and protection now of our "outsourced" plants - Obama is going to stop outsources, he is actually continuing to protect the U.S. industries who have moved offshore and now in countries with volatile governments. We are again at war for "corportism," and not the Constitution at all. And it is bankruptcing both this country, and its citizens more and more each and every day.

For heaven's sake, wake the heck up.

There are many myths floating around concerning the way in which the government in Iran functions. These are generated by talking heads with little information such as Jim Cramer. See my article here for more...
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3508743-iran-jim-cramer-ado-guardians

I'm going to slow this down, to make sure I've got it all straight. Do I have this clear?

The real threat we're facing is coming from our Mexico border, which produces all the violence in this country, and is responsible for Americans losing their homes while the media attention on Iran is for the sole purpose of getting Americans excited enough to support another war? Is this the general direction you're going? Iran and Israel have state religions and don't necessarily subscribe to all the "inalienable rights" mumbo jumbo that we've grown accustomed to over a few generations. We've literally forgotten what it's like to be denied such things (well, some of the people down there might have more recent memories) but we must remember that Iran and Israel don't necessarily agree with or want to adopt our Constitution - good point. I'm not quite sure what you're implying about Britain, but I think they're an important ally in this world, if only because they've been around the block and dealt with more wars than we have. We may be the super power, but it'll take a long time before we match the years of Great Britain and it's no sure thing.

Your main point seems to be that this whole media frenzy over the protests in Iran is not about American sympathy, but is a plot reaching from Obama to gear us up for another war. Beyond that, we have some odd parallels. I agree that the World Trade Center held special significance to a country founded on the ideals of money and making a buck. The American dream is wealth, it's Locke's fault, not ours, but that's how it works. Yes, the WTC attacks started this whole snafu and ended the 20th century. The depression we're facing is probably a lingering result (or end game) of the attacks, but all of that aside, Obama is waiting to surprise the country by telling us his next big stimulus is a military assault on the people we've been mourning this last week. I think that's where you're coming from.

Ok - to begin with, the border issue is for another article, but in brief I'm not so worried about being invaded by Mexican immigrants. I'm likely to be overrun first and I'll let you know when that happens. Plus, the whole thing is a mirage, they come here and there's no work, the cards are stacked against them, and they wonder why they left at all.

As far as not having a fair election recently - I might agree with you there too, but you win some and you lose some and to Americans it's not worth dying in the streets. We're bickering over the difference between two men who already believe in our Constitution, so we're in an ok place from the get-go.

I guess you're saying that the religious leaders ruler Iran and therefore we can't assume they believe our beliefs and the President has less power than we think so the whole election thing is mostly a shame to appease the west? In either case, you get around to the point that Hilary Clinton is anti Iran and that Obama wants to attack them to secure our dominance over the Middle East to protect our corporations and our "world economic control."

If that's the case, and I doubt it, then Obama is not the man I thought he was. If there in any possibility that he would start another Middle Eastern war, then maryann was right that when she said he ran the most brilliantly deceitful campaign in history. I hope I'm not the one who needs to wake up, but time will tell.

And by "collective situation" I meant one rock. Go easy McCarthy, it's nothing to be scared of, a little kumbaya, a drum circle, nothing to snap at. One rock, right?

Mr. Orange

PS - Vox, thanks for the video, I hadn't seen it. There are differences, but I see many similarities there too.

You know why I don't want the President to say anything? Because it's going to be misconstrued by both sides. It will never be what either side wants to hear. Just read an article that said Ahmadinejad compared Obama to Bush and suggests that Obama apologizes for the statements he's made so far. Then Obama was TV the other day tellin us that the Iranian government is mistranslating his statements. Then you have people in America sayin he needs to say more, or he shouldn't say much, or he's said enough.

Iran needs to be controlled by Iranians. Not the American public, not the President, not the watching world.

You're right,Tenant.The people in Iran have to decide what THEY want.
Obama and Hillary Clinton have voiced their views about the situation there but they can't fight for the Iranians.