Child "warped" by Racist Parents in Winnipeg

This sounds like a media propaganda piece. Where did you find it, and who was the writer, and which "corporate" media did he write for?

Macleans...CBC..The Delhi News Record...so far!

Sorry, I missed that. There is a lot of propaganda now in the mainstream press in this country, so do not know if you are facing the same in Canada as we are in this country, nor am I very computer savvy, as one of the post-computer generation, so did not see the links.

There are two sides to everything, and journalists do tend to sensationalize stories. I would like to know what other questions were asked also, and although appears this is being directed solely at the father, what other influences also are on this kid since it appears the parents weren't even around that much also from the report - since neglect and abandonment is also part of the case. So exactly what are they watching on television when those parents are also not around - since young children are susceptible to a host of different influences now in this media culture we live in that were not in prior generations.

There's a lot of sensationalism in those pieces, and wonder exactly where else she could have picked up some of what was written, since it doesn't appear the parents were basically even around that much since the negligence is also part of the allegations.

And in this country also, family courts and agencies also are feeding some of the doctors and medical practitioners and even the juvenile jails now for revenue. There have been a number of cases in this country of judges sentencing kids to facilities in which they were even part owners, or were receiving kickbacks as of late. So the government in this country are using children now also as revenue sources and for selected government officials future political careeers.

This "hate crimes" legislation in Canada you speak of, doesn't seem to include those that disbarage the Christian faith, or any other belief other than homogeny and socialism (actually communism) of thought.

The British are good at that, it appears, as that's what our first war was about. The patriots didn't want to tow the governmental line in Britain, which was quite arbitrary.

And it appears history in that area is also returning with all these "hate crimes" legislation, that are convicting people on "beliefs" when no true actual "crime" has been committed in the slightest other than personal beliefs. No loss or injury to another, no loss of property - thus no actual crime.

And no faith teaches "hate" more than the radical beliefs of some of he left wingers such as this unsubstantiated piece somewhat, since there is no reference really to where you obtained this information and from what source either, and extremist views of ALL THREE religions in their corrupted practices. But in this country, we do have freedom of religion, unlike Canada and the British territories, which still have the Church of England as their established church.

And since there is much political prosecution now going on in this country post 9/11, on such a piece such as this it would be nice at least since such loaded information is contained within it that is outside common knowledge or background information on the Canadian laws with respect to some of their socialistic provisions.

Ross..at the top of each article there are folders marked "News Stories"..Videos..blogs etc. This article of mine has 4 stories attached from news services. Please feel free to read them if you doubt the veracity of my article. Didn't you know this? Most stories (that are not simply editorial comment) posted here are usually backed up with information gleaned from other more reputable sources. Here is one of those articles; http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n054012426

Nice you used Crosby, Stills and Nash to back up your message. I wonder what message David Crosby has sent to his "children" with respect to hard drug use?

Ask Melissa Etheridge! :-)

Better yet..Rush Limbaugh! :-)

again, sly, you the dog!

A little left wing hypocricy again, wouldn't you say?

You were the one that used Crosby, Stills and Nash, and David Crosby may sing a great song, but in practice has not been such a good teacher it would appear, to his own at least with respect to drug use and abuse. Rush Limbaugh is a political radio host and commentator, and as far as I know, has never written a song blasting others for their attitudes using children in order to deliver the message, as Mr. Crosby did, while living a life that was a little less than stellar himself in his "abuse" not simple "use" of hard core drugs, and not simply pot.

I meant his biological children of his relationships conceived through "natural law,", not the test tube variety.

And actually, the song is rather an innoculous song, and the original posting simply also tied in the apparent propaganda motive of tying an old Crosby Stills song in with this particular case - since the lyrics of the song really were meant in a generic sense, not a literal one, and as I said holding Crosby (who wrote the song, as I recall, along with Graham Nash) as an example is quite laughable, since after writing it he went on to become an example of the type of role model most parents would find exception to.

And if what you state as "fact," which isn't at all, and what you believe "these children will quite probably feel" is true, then I guess it was pretty selfish of Ms. Etheridge then to "conceive" these children for her own selfish reasons, rather than conceiving through "natural law," and find that most that do use such means rather than adopt the literally thousands of children that are placed for adoption for one reason or another, since children do suffer somewhat without both male and female parents since both sexes equally influence children, do so for selfish reasons most of all.

Since there was no room, Trista, and since I come from that generation....and cannot find whether you do, that song was written in the early 70's, and David Crosby's drug problems came way after that, so apparently was not able to live up to what he was accusing others of AFTER THE FACT. So you might study history, since your analysis is actually quite ludicrous.

the "test tube variety" you speak of are true flesh and blood innocent children and will quite possibley feel as much or more racism as any child mixed in color, faith , or any of the many many other racist attitudes. Crosby would make one of the best teachers as HE knows what the hell he is talking about when he speaks.

Sorry for my thoughtcrime Ross..it was doubleunplusgood of me!

Hate Crimes Don't Exist.

Yeah..sure..just like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Charlie Manson or
the KKK..all just fairy tales..right?

Charlie Manson, from all reports of that crime which I do remember from the late 60's was also a left wing looney, and drug addict, and is serving time for his crimes which today would warrant the death penalty due to the serial and deliberate nature in a group that had committed other criminal activity before those crimes in their "cult." Much more so than the Esperanza wildfire bug, it would appear, as murder in the first degree. And don't think California plans on releasing him, although in that state you never know.

As far as the other those were "political" crimes committed by governmental officials on the one hand as the fascism that occurred in Germany and for which those war criminals have been tried and convicted for their actual crimes, and also insofar as the KKK as a "cult" based hate group that was involved mostly in violence in one specific area of the United States, and also during a time when there was much violence against both races committed by each other due to left over biases from the civil war - it would appear your "Canadian" take is a little off the mark. The KKK basically was a "terrorist" group which used bullying tactics and torture for their agendas, and for which many were also tried for their crimes, although a great deal of that also goes left unsaid in "liberal" reporting.

And there are now laws that address stalking, harassment and other such demonstrated targeting of minories or groups as a result.

And I can tell you that there are still people today that also use "hate speech" against white, German Americans in abundance due to associations such as yours and your hyperbole and linear "connective" logic.

I still asked where you got this story, what news agency and the details, since this is rather a "loaded" story, unless you are personally aware of this event.

Take it up with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/05/custody-battle.html

My hyperbole + linear "connective" logic? Does not compute!

What part of this story irks you so much? Is it the fact we have
"hate crime" legislation? Do you condone as free speech and Liberty
telling children it is OK to hate and even urge the killing of
people from other cultures or skin colours? Do you think it
appropriate to tattoo a child with swastikas and Hitler logos?
This is, after all, the 65th Anniversary of D-Day where a
generation of your & my countrymen laid down young lives to rid the world of such hate-mongering. Methinks thou dost protest
unsoundly...linear thinking be damned!

No, I simply said it was a sensationalized story, that might bear some checking out, and that at least in this country, the education they will be getting from the state also most likely will be far, far worse living in some foster home, whose "parents" most likely will also frequently change, and is a sad, sad state of affairs in that kids today have far more influences than parents, since the advent of Viagra commercials, and they can hear more hate speech in this country on BET most any day of the week.

Ross, I agree with you when you say that tattooing a swastika on a child's arm is not really hurting anyone but the child and as such if a person wants to go out and yell their hatred for black people, the world or the tooth fairy on the street they may be able to do so, however you are not really in a position to judge the laws of another country that are decided by the people that live there, no matter how much you may not agree with them. It is their democratic process and if they feel the need to repeal it, they will. However, tattooing a Swastika on a child's arm, or a sign that says 'I hate Krackers' is a great way of getting your child traumatised for life and most concerned parents wouldn't really indulge themselves by forcing their beliefs on their children in that way, at least not in most societies. As it is, since Naziism was a particularly vile political system it doesn't really say much for the proponents of it and particularly if they turn to violence as a means to enforce it, which is partly inherent in the system itself. And saying hate crimes don't exist is just uninformed.

If we could only convict those who are the true root of racism...hmm

hmmm

Hey! It's the Ross show again. GREAT to see you embarrassing yourself elsewhere. Don't go a changin'.

So, whose paying you to stalk websites, since it appears you are not a contributor?

You are right Slydog, those parents should be jailed for hate mongering,
it is the same kind of thing I had from my parents as a kid. Hate your neighbor, be suspicious of him because he may kill you. Don't talk to him or her because they are poor and living in a cellar or an attic. Or
hate other ethnic people, they are communists, or anybody who is not a
Catholic is a communist so be suspicious of them or kill them. I couldn't
live with the family when I became of age because I hated all the brain
washing by them making stupid suggestions. 7/6/2009.

Talk about prejudging based on a mainstream media report, and you never question apparently the judges that are making bucks off sending kids to juvenile facilities for revenue? Or the social service state paid workers who also receive part of the revenue for these public/private partnerships? And based on a "corporate" media report, no less, and with these kids now in the system, doubt that they will be much better of, and might now be much, much worse off actually.

Add to this a young mind is so impressionable amd malleable that it
often takes a lot of counselling to get dysfunctional wiring fixed.

This Ross guy sure is a fine gentleman: He comes to the defense of Nazis like a real Christian would. Doesn't seem to think test-tube babies count as much as those conceived through "natural law". Thinks Charles Manson was "left wing". Thinks Canada has a state religion.

Changez, Ross didn't say "tattooing a swastika on a child's arm is not really hurting anyone but the child". He wrote that "no crime was committed" and there was "no loss or injury to another". So add to the above list that Ross thinks sticking needles in your children to permanently mark them is not a "true crime" because no one was injured. Just like the Jews weren't injured when they got tattooed with numbers, eh Ross? Hey Ross, doesn't it bother you that Jesus was Jewish?

And just to put your one sided logic used in order to also recreate history, let's put this all into context, shall we? From Wiki:

In the two thousand years of the Christian faith, about 70 million believers, of whom 45.5 million or 65% lived in the twentieth century, have been killed for their faith.

There are disputes on the number killed in World War II, but the most common is 6 million. So exactly which religion has been the most persecuted in both the ancient, and modern era?

And since you don't have any reports either or are a writer, exactly who is paying you to stalk website posts of citizen journalists, and those that are addressing American issues. Are you an American at all?

You are correct, Jesus WAS raised a Jew, otherwise he would not have been able to have been fulfillment of "the law" of the Old Testament prophesy. And we wouldn't have tolerance of religion in any country at all, since then the Old Testament would still be in force, which calls for "death" for violations of any of the 10 Commandment laws, as the Jewish faith did also turn over the thieves to the Romans for cruxifiction, as I do believe there were two Jewish thieves on the cross as his companions.

Gee, I guess you would like to be under Old Testament laws such as those with state religins such as in the Muslim countries, or Israel in some of their prejudices with respect to objecting to the term "swine flu" for religious reasons in that country?

Um, huh? Nooo...that's what just about every single post of mine has spoken against. Are you playing role-reversal here? You seem to be confusing me with you, which is really, really weird.

You're the one who speaks (in other posts and on your web site) about uniting church and state. Isn't making the US a Christian country what you're all about? Aren't you all about following the bible to the letter? If you think that's a bad thing, you seem to be having an argument with yourself. Keep going, please, it's fascinating!

No, I have not. I stated that the founders were attempting to protect freedom OF religion, but not freedom FROM religion, and there is a big, big difference. Huge difference, actually.

And that they were attempting merely to prevent a national religion in those provisions, and to protect churches and the faithful from intereference by the state in their religious practices.

Huge differnce than your positions.

And I guess the Chrisians weren't injured when literally millions were also fed to the lions by the pagan Romans? I guess we missed that part of ancient history....

Canada is still a British territory, is it not? And Britain DOES have a state religion, does it not? So yes, I guess you aren't aware of it, but you might try studying British history.

I don't think I ever came in defense of Nazis at all. In fact, not once. So another propaganda poster apparently. Please point out the post you are referring to.....and I never said that tatooing a swastika on a child was not really hurting anyone. I simply stated that the press reports seemed sensationized, and there is much in the press that is reported in order to generate sales since a great deal of the public has turned off the media totally due to inaccurate reporting as of late.

But I guess in Canada, or wherever, you aren't aware of that since we do have a problem with it in the U.S.

And apparently, commentary such as yours without any factual basis means that the "citizen journalists" on many sites also have a problem with sensationizing for their own agendas - and you definitely are one of the liberal hate mongers you so rail again in your religious bias, that's for sure.

"Without any factual basis?" That's rich. All you've been doing here is make wild accusations without any factual basis. And without much factual knowledge, either.

I guess you also have difficulty with reading comprehension. I simply began the post by stating that much of the reporting seemed sensationalized without any link or connection to the original story, and then after reading the mainstream press reports, also due to the fact that in THIS country mainstream news is biased no matter from what "corporate" source, that some of the facts of the case (since negligence was also involved) seemed to bear checking out.

And everything since that I have posted, is fact based, and if you were a reporter, rather than a stalker, apparently, you could check what I have also stated with respect to religious persecution of Christians far outweighing those of other religions, the fact that Hep C and HIV cannot be transmitted unless through direct contact with another so infected, etc., etc. These are FACTS, quite different than the propaganda of the left wing paid bloggers, it appears, on this site such as yourself. Or through whatever political group connections you might have - since I actually have no real political party connections whatsoever - since our first president warned that such connections wold hijack our Constitution for their own political agendas - which has proved quite true.

I hope they were "clean" needles. What if the poor kid came down with Hep C? Well..as long as there weren't "drugs" in the needles..right?

And you are a hateful, hateful human being.

You pompous, self-indulgent Prick! Where do you get off knowing
anything about me! I don't belittle people for their maladies.
I myself had Hep C and went through treatment to rid myself of it.
I spent over 30 years as an Industrial Medic helping people who are
injured. Please peddle your hateful, intimidating and goading
spite & bile somewhere else!

And the bile and hatred, if you reread the posts, has come from the liberal element and Christian bashers on this "fringe," if you will reread the posts from start to finish, and who went into "personal" attack mode first, when my initial comments merely questioned some of the information contained in the original piece, if you will again review the progression of the comments. And actually even brought in reinforcements for your hate filled garbage.

And insofar as your "Hep C" virus, since I had one relative in the medical profession that got it through non-disclosure of their disease, and prior to all the protective steps now which are taken as more and more cases and information became available on this disease after the 70's, inferon, which is also used for HIV, is one of the drugs that is used to treat Hep C and HIV - and the cost for treatment is enormous.

And inferon came out about two years after the HIV virus was brought to America through Africa, apparently, due to the lack of any quarantine measures due to "commerce" now taking precedence over our "common defense" provisions in our Constitution across the board. And after inferon was "discovered" two pharmaceutical companies then got into a protracted battle over the patent rights which went on for almost 10 years, which was settled and they are now sharing the profits from that drug. It was a "legal trick" the profession uses in this country in order to extend the patents for longer than the legally proscribed period befoer generics can also then hit the market for their profits most of all.

So those patents expire in 2017, and as a Christian am just praying that both my infected next of kin hold on and can continue those expensive medications, or do not die of liver failure, prior to 2017.

So, as I said, I know more about those two diseases, it would appear, than yourself. And if you are still under medication, or have started having progressive liver disease, than you might want to surround yourself with some of those dreaded Christians who will pray for the almighty to grant you the time it will take before those greedy pharmaceutical companies release the patent.

And if you are also familiar with British law, you would know that the British quarantine animals that enter that country for a full 12 months - but apparently in their skewered logic and also greed for commerce and dollars, people's lives don't warrant such quarantine restrictions or protections, as in this country.

And I do believe one who was bent on also committing a terrorist act against the U.S., the shoe bomber, was a British citizen, was he not?

So I would say that globalization in the name of commerce and bucks has had an adverse impact on all the Western countries which is born out by FACTS.

Then you original posting on the tatoo and relating it to Hep C was inflammatory, and not based in fact then if there is truth of which you speak. But due to your positions, and the fact that you are a Canadian but somehow feel in your positions that our government is similar to yours, doubt a great deal of the truth of which you post. Since most of it is pure garbage insofar as U.S. law and our Constitutional provisions are concerned.

Not simply heroin, but other drugs those Mexican cartels bring in due to our open borders, that the liberal wing such as yourself, are so protective of.

Since I also have a child who is HIV positive due to the massive marketing of heroin in the border states in front of the local high schools and middle schools, especially to kids that get allowances, or who have part time jobs, I guess I know much better than you how both HIV, and Hep C are spread, apparently.

And you are a hateful, hateful human being.

Not simply heroin, but other drugs those Mexican cartels bring in due to our open borders, that the liberal wing such as yourself, are so protective of.

Since one of my family members was in the medical profession, and also contracted Hep C at one point, I guess you are unaware that hepatitus can only be "caught" in sharing needles, or through other direct means. But as I said, stories such as these are worth checking out a little more closely - since there is much now in the media on this "hate crimes" legislation meant merely, again, to control the masses and the mainstream media is very much in this country working in concert on such propaganda and fear mongering.

Must say I find all the comments rather interesting. Living here in South Africa all colours are faced with racism, often on a daily basis. My grandson when he was 11 was slapped at school by a ten year old mixed race child and told that her father would take the skin off his white arse!
I myself when fighting off a would be thief in a parking lot was accused of racism when I screamed for help and started defending myself by hitting him. No one came to my aid they stood and watched and screamed at me for being a racist!!!
I was not brought up to hate other races or religions but sometimes I do understand why racism is getting so much worse here in South Africa.

Yes, in defending yourself from unwarranted attack, even verbal ones, you can be labeled a racist in this country, of all countries, that is supposedly a free speech country. But actually most of the criticism, since our country's laws are different than some others, actually on this site has come from the writers from socialist countries, by and large, and Canadians who apparently don't understand the difference between our country, and theirs.

This is horrible. Please stop with recriminations. This is meant to be an exercise in free speech, not name calling and factionalism (though that may qualify). Racism, in all it's forms is bad. The end (and I include whatever prejudices I may have in this but which I try to fight on a daily basis). Ross, I am truly sorry about your child. Please try to understand that by sharing in prejudice, you only perpetuate the very things you dislike about the world, like the increasing police-state in the U.S. and the slow erosion of society. Does it really matter which religious group was persecuted in the past? Or whether one is being persecuted, or not, now? There are real problems, like people dying of hunger, starvation and disease; murder, rape, arson, looting; deforestation, over-pollution and mass-extinctions to be worrying about who's right or wrong.

Yes, it does when the liberal left wing continually comes to the defense of those THEY feel have been persecuted unfairly, and then bash Christians continually. That goes to show the hypcricy of their positions, and yours too clearly.

Deforestation? California is having wildfires in this country due to the liberal 60's environmentalists now due to the drought, and fights with Arizona over water, since they still want their pools and jacuzzis even during the droughts. And want their Mexican nannies in order for them to go to their next AIDS benefit - which supporting open borders.

Hypcricy such as that deserves exposure for what it is. And apparently the libs can dish it out in abundance, but not take it.

This is over.

My dear friend slydog,
Please,enjoy the image attached by me in this news,with your near and dear ones.
My good wishes are always with you.
aarana.

Love the picture aarana..but it's all Greek to me! :-)

The outright audacity and know-it-all attitude of your statements make me want to vomit more than the Riboviron or Interferon ever did! Your "High Horse" attitude reminds me of the very toffee-nosed Brits your forebears attempted to chuck off in the 1770's. BUT, of course.. you are of the Mayflower ilk and no doubt scratched your moniker on the very parchment you bally-hoo bombastically..turning it to soiled bumwipe in the process. I studied British History from the Restoration thru to the Modern Day & took A+ in English Lit 220. Swift to Browning. You sir..are a pompous Ass...like the Law/Constitution you so brazenly pretend to be a champion of. You Piss Me Off! You are the Audacity of Dopes in a Confederacy of Dunces. Sound & Fury & venom spewing de nada! Do you think for one friggin' moment that I, who battled the Hep C virus, know so little of how much it cost, were it came from or what it does? Since when were you the be-all, end -all depository of all knowledge & experience. You are the Penultimate Yank. Big mouth.. big talk..little mind!

So I guess you know what has been keeping if off the general market, and the lawsuits which occurred in this nation? And it appears to me due to your constant tirades about religion, and also the fact that I have two close relatives afflicted and your positions with respect to his country are simply fairy tales. I don't care what "grade" you got, you missed out apparently on a great deal in your lack of a true education on our country, its government, and heritage.

Swift to Browning has nothing to do with U.S. law or OUR history, which is quite different than Canada's, still a British territory.

And you can call in your jackals with their empty logins, since it appears maybe that is why Canada needs so many of those laws, since bullying must occur there even more so than in this nation with respect to political matters, and you are a prime example.

So has anybody else noticed the blatant prejudice between America and Canada here? Quite ironic that most of the people who have posted here have been against such "hate crimes" eh?
With the original issue in mind is tattooing a child right regardless of what it is? Well it would definitely be painful which I would see as abuse and in my understanding the Criminal Code would say pretty well the same.
Is passing along your ideals and beliefs to your child wrong? Everyone does it. Well those who have contact with their child anyways. No matter what someone believes somebody else will always think its wrong. The glory of free choice I suppose. I personally don't support teaching a child that killing is OK but from what I have read that little girl even though her parents tried to teach her that didn't believe it was right. She believed that they should return to their own country but believing that doesn't harm anybody. Common sense prevails to a degree at the very least.
Of course this is largely just my opinion and I know, as I stated, somebody will disagree with that and I for one welcome it. For I may not agree with your beliefs but I will give my life to protect your right to believe them.

-Daghain