The Constant Farce Around Same-Sex Marriages

This makes me think of deceased Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau's famous statement "...the State has no place in the bedroom's of the nation"! I find it parodoxical that the country that demands the constitutional Right to bear arms AND prides itself on the "separation of Church & State" takes such an affront to legal arrangements involving Love & Relationships! Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness HA! (only according to sub-section 2,amendment 6, sub-paragraph 3 of the secret agenda memorandum of the Silent Majority) What can you expect when you elect lawyers to govern you! Compassion? Do this... don't do that.. say this.. don't say that and have a nice day! Come again!

Prime Minister Trudeau was right about that, but the real problem is too many people in the church have yet to learn that the church has even less a right in the bedroom than the nation.

Yeah. Well put.

The 2 lesbians, just another PUSSY to taste. 4/9/2009.

Regardless of whether States adopt legislation that allows gay marriage, I for one believe that there is nothing better than love in this world, that love is truly a scarce and beautiful flower that should never be denied. I would uphold the right for gays to marry and obtain a certificate of marriage because I believe that only God could judge love and He alone is the only one to pass judgment on my fellow man and woman.

I do NOT believe God would not condemn the contract of marriage between anyone – just as I believe not every couple that is married will be condemned to hell for divorce or that a person riddled with confusion would be condemned to hell for suicide.

I would never judge my fellow man for choosing the love of their life regardless of their race or their sex.

There is more than enough evil in this world.

Love is not evil, denying love is.

This may be the one point I differ from my fellow Conservative's on, but it is however, "A Conservative's View" and one that I wish more Conservatives would grow to believe in as well.

hear hear

I take issue with your premise that if I don't agree with same sex marriage I am "afraid" of something.

I did not mean to generalize in that way and "afraid" might be a clumsy expression.

I am not sure all those who do not support gay marriage are "afraid" of same-sex adults commiting to each other. I think that it is safe to say that civil unions are supported by an overwhelming majority of Americans. I will tell you where the "afraid" part may play a role...different faiths DO have teachings forbidding the sacrament of marriage for a same-sex couple. These religious teachings focus on the purpose of sex being the pro-creation of children and the sacrament of matrimony put in place to bond the man and woman together under a covenant to ensure the stability of the family for the children. Whether people want to buy into that belief is beside the point. The "fear" or objection is the government possibly forcing a faith to perform the sacrament when the faith does not condone it. An example of this government strong arming is evident with the law forcing doctors whose religious beliefs are in conflict with the act of abortion or the pharmacist who is now forced to dispense birth control even if it is against that person's beliefs. Fear of a certain faith's beliefs can be applied to your line of thinking just a easily as fear is applied to those not supporting same-sex "marriages". What is wrong thinking for one group should not be forced upon that group. Same-sex couples should be given all of the legal rights hetero couples are given by the gov't. but each faith should be allowed to follow their own tenets without the "fear" of gov't strong arming. What I scratch my head over is why two people who are same sex would want to force a religious sacrament to be preformed by a faith that does not recognize the union as a marriage? No one forces the couple to believe in a certain faith just as no faith should be forced to go against its long held teachings. Tolerance goes both ways (pun intended).

I think the point of having sex, is to have sex.

I'm awake because it's 7 am and my dogs needed to be fed. Plus I'm headed out to visit my happy, old, emotionally mature parents for the week. I'm not assuming you are totally emotionally immature, I'm just saying I remember when my sentiments were EXACTLY the same as yours are at this point in your life. I WAS totally emotionally immature when I thought that way. Just saying if it's good sex you're after, the intimacy takes it to a much better level. Got it? Didn't mean to pick on you. But I know you are a big boy and can take it. Will check in upon my return from the old age home!

don't worry. Someday I'll learn. till then though, wooohoo!

awesome. I can't wait to update you on my weekends sexual depravity and lewdness. However, if it is emotional immaturity to avoid relationships that reveal intimacy to anyone then i suppose I'm right up there with jon and kate. However I still stand by my original statement that sex needs no reason other than to have sex. My naturally rebellious disposition shrinks from emotional stability. And of course Amanda, I don't honestly take what you say about my sex life seriously. It's called outraged frivolity. However, I will take your advice into consideration since you are far more experienced than I am when it comes to these things. Plus you're a woman and are bound to be more emotionally stable than I am (misogynistic as that might seem). Plus ur cool. I just personally enjoy being young and shallow at times. It is a luxury afforded me by age.

Changez,
That is funny and cute but a weak excuse for avoiding what makes another human tick. Believe it or not, I use to think like you and I wouldn't want to return to those excuses ever again. I know you are "fearful" of maturing. The world has sold our youth on the ugliness and boring nature of maturing emotionally, making the less than intelligent ones cling to a false youth to the point of being pathetic. The sharp ones wise up and see the real treasures that await those who look beyond the facade. You believe what you want. I've walked both paths. You have not. I'm ecstatic to be on this one and shudder to think of ever going back to the other.

why are you still awake? and assuming i am totally emotionally immature is condescending. I did no such thing to you, I merely pointed out a subjective opinion on sexual behaviour as I see it. Intimacy, blech.

That sounds like the comment of someone young, shallow and unformed but if you are fortunate enough to mature emotionally you will discover that intimacy holds much greater benefits than the basic biological act (which physical point is to pro-create).

Praise the lord yes, I am still young and shallow. Young and shallow i can live with but unformed sounds like I'm still gelatinous in the womb. Emotional maturity is something I hope to avoid for a long time for the sake of my partner/s and my own sanity seeing as to how it leads to things like marriage. I don't know if I could handle being young, shallow and emotionally mature. But again, I still think the point of having sex is to have sex, which physical point is to have fun and make someone climax wildly (excuse my ghosh vulgarity).

Yeah. I completely agree with you about the both ways tolerance. I also agree with you that this usually gets over simplified. With some retrospect I might have been a bit too unclear here and your points are very complimentary. Thanks.

The important thing is that this topic is discussed openly and honestly. Most people WANT their fellow humans to live a happy life and do what they want to do privately be that their love life or their religion. The problem tends to be the mentality of MY side versus YOUR side rather than the merits of the actual dispute. Thanks so much for writing this piece so we could openly examine all sides.

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The reason that there is so much skepticism about same-sex marriage is because same-sex intimate relationships occur because of paganism set up by Nimrod and Semiraimis thousands of years ago. Most people do not worship pagan idols; therefore, many people do not approve of the pagan practices associated with sun, moon, and star worship.

Amen man. I myself am tired of people who claim to believe in the same God as me using him to condemn civil rights for all people while ignoring their own short comings.

This relation between religious and civil marriages are a key here. For me they are not the same and yet they are. That is where this get shady. Especially when you start to consider the perception of the society on these bonds.

The US, although we say church and state are separate, we have yet to prove it. Our lawmakers as well as many people in this country have Christian influences and sadly that trickles over into our laws and the way our country's people see things. It is a known fact that the bible was written with the intent of THAT day and age of people, not TODAY'S; they were trying to build civilization and thus forth condemned same sex partnership. Now with all the scientific knowledge we have, we are finding that being "gay" is a part nature. Whoever made us (I'm not religious just spiritual) would have never wanted us to condemn our fellow citizens, but alas that seems to be human nature.

I am so sad to see that we as a human civilization can't evolve past this sort of thinking.

Wow

People are afraid because the religious sect tells them to be afraid. They claim it is un-Christian twisting the Bible to suit their wishes.

I think what this world in general need is some critical thinking of what people "feed" us. That would get us far. :-)

Definitely seems silly to me to be bothered by the whole thing. Regardless of whether people are afraid, ignorant or just pigheaded it is time to move beyond the antiquated social values that were in place at a time when our world was very different. There was a time when the world was not overpopulated & many people got pissed off about gay relationships because it meant that those people would produce no heirs; now that we live in a very overpopulated world it's time to be grateful that some people out there will not reproduce. As for the frightened people; Y'all can look @ it like this, once the folks are married, the odds of them hitting on you are significantly diminished. It's nice to see so many people have a reasonable attitude about this, thanks for speaking out, yer pal MelL Bell.

If 50% of american heterosexual marriages end in divorce...who are we to deny two individuals who have stayed together for 15 years the right to marriage just because they are the same sex?

Let's face it. Finding someone to shag is one thing. Infactuation lust and limerence it all fades in about 2 years..if you are lucky. but finding someone to love and cherish now that's a challenge. If for some reason you find someone strong enought to be your partner than i say go for it. Does not matter what you orientation, gender whatever is. Sexuality exists along a contunuum and monogamy is a rare bird. many people flee from it! if you lvoe someone and you want to spend the rest of your life with him/her and share your livelyhood with them that is your perogative. WHo does the government think they are? they have no business in dictating what is definend as "a consitutional marriage." that is preposterous. You dont choose who you fall in love with, so the government should not choose who you can marry.

With all the hate in the world it is truly a shame that these people are trying to discourage love. Like the song says "What the World Needs Now is Love". Amen to that!

I have learned a lot of good things from my gay friends and from what they tell me homosexual couples tend to not only be more monogamous than their heterosexual counterparts but tend to stay committed to each other over the long haul.

I guess I am one of those people who feel same sex marriage is wrong because I do. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Yes Douglas in that manner you do make a valid point however if we were to take the bible 100% literal it also speaks of stoning a disobedient child to death and many other horrible things. I believe that God loves us all equally whether we be homosexual or not. They are still people who live and breathe as we do and if we are to take the bible literal it says to love thy neighbor and I think banning same sex marriage is far from loving on them but it is outcasting them and making them feel as if they are not the same as us. the same as we did with African Americans back in the day. Its time we became a more open nation and allow homosexuals to have the same rights as everyone else.

If you must take the Bible literally then being homosexual is not a sin, the ACT of homosexual activity is and only men are mentioned not women.

I fully agree with what Eriks has implemented on his writing on Gay Marriages. I firmly believe that unless people walk in the shoes of others, they will never truly understand what that individual is sincerely going through. Let’s play devil’s advocate for a moment shall we. If the tables were turned and it is heterosexual marriages that were so very controversial, please visualize and imagine just one thing: You invest so much time and effort in finding love (ONE person that will love and honor you as you are) and then society makes it a very controversial issue on if heterosexual marriages should be allowed. How would you feel if you cannot pledge your love for that person simply because you are heterosexual? This is how the homosexuals feel. They simply want to pledge their love and have it documented. If domestic partnership is allowed, why is it that homosexuals should be confined to society’s outlook simply because of homophobes?Let’s continue with the devil’s advocate role playing and take this one step further. Many will say that it is a sin to allow homosexuality. First and foremost, homosexuality does not comprise of strictly sleeping with the same sex. There are genuine feelings and emotions involved with these individuals that simply want to pledge their love for one another, not hurt anyone or anything by doing so and continue living honest lives. If it is a sin and against God’s wishes, it would be mentioned in the bible, society would not ever have engaged in such activities as homosexuality and we will not see many states within the United States of America being so accepting of this and passing bills to allow Gay Marriages. Let’s not forget that the bible was written by civilization years ago and years ago, these things were never spoken of. Who’s to say that because it was not spoken of, that it was not simply overlooked. One fact is for sure…every single thought and perspective could have not been formulated into one train of thought and perceived as so into one bible. Society sincerely needs to Grow Up!

Wise Thoughts - your analogy of forbidden heterosexual relations is not far fetched; there are numerous cases where cultures forbid "mixed" couples, ie. mixed cultures or races. What about Romeo and Juliet?

As a Christian I can't honestly...encourage or promote, for lack of a better word, same-sex marriages. But it's hard to put them down or say that they're wrong when I have gay friends that I like very much. It's a tough spot to be in.

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