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Is Gay Marriage Really a 'Right'?

San Francisco : CA : USA | 11 months ago  
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Gay Marriage

Since the November election, gay rights activists have been foaming at the mouth over lost opportunity for gay marriage legislation. But all these efforts must beg the question, "Just why should gay rights include marriages that mimic those of heterosexual marriages?"

An article in today's New York Times discusses a new wave of individuals coming to the forefront for gay rights in wake of the recent ban on gay marriage in California. It seems the defeat at the polls on November 4, combined with a wave of new votership among typically disenfranchised voters, has created a stir that is not likely to disappear soon.

While there is no question that individuals, regardless of sexual preferences and orientations, should not be discriminated against, my question is, why should the treatment of gay relationships be the same as those between heterosexual individuals? Isn't that a bit like making an apple look like an orange?

In fact there is every reason to believe that Americans are all for gay rights and relationship perogatives. A recent USA election polls survey indicates that 55% of Americans are happy to provide gay relationships the same rights afforded heterosexual marriages, they just don't seem to want to have it called a "marriage".

And why should that be so terrible? For example, if laws were designed to protect gay spousal rights, and to afford them the same family medical benefits, as well all other rights afforded heterosexual marriage partners, wouldn't that be enough? Why exactly must it be considered a "marriage" per se? Wouldn't "hand fasting" or "communal union" or some other equally representative term do just as well?

Hopefully my inquiries don't appear insensitive, but at some point it appears to me that the gay community has to ask themselves why it is so important that laws be deemed a "marriage contract". If in fact the purpose is more an attempt to try to force "acceptance" among the masses for their sexual orientation, it appears their efforts will only suffer as a result.

While many may believe that "gay marriage" is a right, it is just as equally appropriate to say that marriage itself is not a right at all. Instead it is a socially designed "union" of individuals, sanctioned by our legislative bodies, that essentially are designed to keep track of who is having children with whom. In many states, one needn't even share marital vows to be considered "married"; after seven years of mutual habituation with one another, a couple can be considered "lawfully married" even if they never signed on the dotted line.

Perhaps it would be advantageous to consider educational opportunities in which it is okay to say "we are gay, and we are proud, and we just want access to the legal rights afforded every union between partners, no matter what it ends up being called."

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  • Posted By vishnughimire vishnughimire | 11 months ago
    Well, of course there are a lot of reasons being offered these days for opposing gay marriage, and they are usually variations on a few well-established themes. Interestingly, a court in Hawaii has recently heard them all. And it found, after due deliberation, that they didn't hold water.
    Now i want to know, Why This Is A Serious Civil Rights Issue?

    Good post!
  • Reply By ByuTfulDisaster ByuTfulDisaster | 11 months ago
    I agree with the article above by Onlinebusinesswoman, but vishnughimire you have copied and pasted a paragraph (unethically, I might add) from an essay by Scott Bidrup:
    http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm
    that apparently you did not understand. That snippet you plagiarized is actually saying that the court in Hawaii found reasons for opposing gay marriages not to hold water. While this may very well be your entitled opinion, it is irrelevant to the article above.
    Next time you want to try to sound intelligent by stealing someone else’s words, at least read those words in context first. Or, you could always do the right thing and credit your source with quotes and a reference.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Yup, that's exactly what I'm wondering. It doesn't appear to me to be a civil rights issue unless it violates a constitutional right. Marriage isn't a constitutional right! I don't oppose gay relationships; just like anything that goes against the norm in society there are those who believe they have to right to keep anyone else from doing it. My objection is, if gay relationships legally are allowed the same rights as other "couples" why does it need to be a marriage? Maybe I'm missing something and I'm just mincing semantics, but all the protests appear to be directed at allowing marriage for gays, when in fact the real issues should be allowing gay couples to have the same rights as other couples. Why make a big deal about what its called?
  • Posted By Majdy Majdy | 11 months ago
    I believe that people want gay-marriage rights only for the reason already put forward and well discussed by onlinebusinesswoman – “Acceptance in Society!” I guess what I want to say is well stated in the ending paragraph of your article. It would be more appropriate if these people ask for legal rights rather than asking for marriage rights and also rights clean of discrimination as far as employment and other societal issues are concerned. Same-sex relationship is definitely a right word in my view than same-sex marriage. But then again, this is my standpoint on this issue that may differ from many others.
  • Posted By Punditty Punditty | 11 months ago
    Perhaps the term "civil union" should apply to all state-sanctioned cohabitation arrangements, heterosexual or homosexual, and the term "marriage" should be reserved for the couples' respective religions. That would level the playing field just as easily as onlinebusinesswoman's suggestion, and it would make perfect sense in the context of church/state separation.

    Saying that gay couples in committed relationships should have "equal rights" but not be able to call their publicly declared and state-sanctioned love for one another "marriage" when straight couples can is an insult to the very sanctity of the divinely inspired love that the ritual of marriage ostensibly purports to honor. It's time to take away the state's power to recognize "marriage" and leave that up to the churches. What's good for the goose, as they say, is good for the gander.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Yes, I like this idea! I don't know, it seems like such a "duh" suggestion that I'm wondering what is missing?

    Is there some argument that you can think of, that hasn't already been addressed here, as to why something that seems so obvious would be objectionable to the gay community? Not being gay, I might be missing an important perspective?
  • Posted By cooldiponline cooldiponline | 11 months ago
    Yes, if the normal marriage is a right then so is a gay marriage too!!! Because we talk about the human rights and the fundamental rights. So, aren't gay human?
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    There's no question that gay's are human, AND they should be afforded the same "rights" as non-gays. But that's the point - marriage isn't a "right" at least not a constitutional one!

    It just seems to me that the argument for gay rights would do better if they wouldn't push something that religious zealots are so bothered by. Do they HAVE to call it marriage? Wouldn't the religious right feel more open to acceptance if they didn't push that issue and instead focused on what ARE rights sanctioned by the state?

    I'm not saying that gays shouldn't want to be accepted by a religious faith, but then do what everyone else has done throughout the ages - created a religion that defines your own beliefs! Once you have obtained the "rights" afforded you by the state, your own religion can create the union and voila! Every is happy.

    Or so it seems to me.
  • Posted By tellner tellner | 11 months ago
    Of course it's a right. It's a fundamental human right. Your attempts to finesse the issue are clumsy and hackneyed. Go back 40 years. Despite a lot of change in public sentiment there were huge areas of the country where people were not allowed to marry freely because of strong religious and "traditional" feelings. The Supreme Court cut your argument off at the knees in "Loving vs. Virginia":

    "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Well if that is true, that marriage is a "basic civil right of man" then please tell me where the right is in the constitution. I have a copy on my desk, and if you're right, and the bill of rights actually indicates a right to marriage for all, then I'll readily confess here and now.

    Fact is, the constitution doesn't say this, and marriage is a construction of state law (not even federal law!!).

    I'm sorry if it appears that I'm trying to argue against gay rights, because I'm NOT at all! I think they deserve EVERY right of human beings. What I'm arguing is, marriage isn't one of the "civil rights" that any of us have a right to. That's all.

    Oh and Loving vs. Virginia was a case based on racial civil rights. Every human, regardless of race, creed, etc., is allowed the same rights as others. In this case, it was a heterosexual marriage, as defined by the state, not gay marriage, that was considered unconstitutional. There is no provision in the constitution for sexual orientation as a "civil right".
  • Reply By edfromga edfromga | 11 months ago
    If you take a good look at your Constitution, Amendment 14, in very plain language explains that all persons in this country are granted equal protection under our laws, and that no persons are to be denied the "privleges or immunities" (as opposed to "rights") offered to others.

    Marriages, even those performed by clergy, exist as legal contracts, conferring certain and specific rights to the married couple. And to return to applying the concept of "separate, but equal" ("Civil unions" v. "Marriage") when it comes to gays is just as reprehensible as to when it was applied to blacks. If you don't see this as a civil rights issue, I wouldn't trust your judgment in determining what is.
  • Reply By tellner tellner | 11 months ago
    When the Constitution was written there was passionate debate about the existence of the Bill of Rights. Read the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers. Those against the BoR were afraid that it would reduce liberty and human rights. If the rights were explicitly enumerated people would only have the ones written down.

    You validate their fears perfectly.

    That's why there was a compromise in the 9th and 10th Amendments:

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    If you want I can dig up a ream of ironclad legal precedents about marriage. Suffice it to say, the Courts have held that it is a fundamental civil right going back to English Common Law.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    But you just made my point. Since the issue of marriage based on sexual orientation (or any rights based on sexual orientation) were not explicitly enumerated in the BoR, it is up to the states to come up with laws that cover whatever issues are not defined. They are, and have. Marriage isn't in the BoR either, but it is legally sanctioned by each and every state!

    And yes, the courts have identified the rights of marriage for centuries, but that marriage was one between a man and a woman. Even in the case you identified, it did not deviate from this assumption.

    Now, if it takes a constitutional amendment I'm all for it!!! I'd vote for a constitutional amendment that added sexual orientation as a qualifier of civil and constitutional rights. But as it is, though gays have the legal right not to be discriminated against, being allowed to couple with someone of the same sex and call that "marriage" is not yet one of those rights.

    Again, I'm not a strict constructionalist, as indicated by my willingness to entertain amendments, but there is just NO precedence for same sex marriage as a constitutional, civil right. At least not yet.
  • Posted By Kraeg Kraeg | 11 months ago
    The problem with giving two separate names for what is essentially the same thing constitutes civil segregation. We don't require that followers of Islam stop using the term Religion because it is already in use by Christians. We qualify Religious beliefs by going on to further describe which particular subset of beliefs we subscribe to.

    Marriage is also an encompassing word, referring to a legal union between two people and there is no reason in the world to suppose that one group has more right to it than another group. I have no beef with someone qualifying it by saying I am in a civil marriage, or a christian marriage or a muslim marriage.

    Whether it is considered a fundamental human right (it is) or not, it is a privilege that is offered to all members of society, and it is not for any of us to deny that privilege based on race, religion or sexuality.

    But consider this for a moment... I haven't yet heard any of the so-called religious groups arguing to keep the tradition of marriage between people of the same faith. There isn't anyone up in arms when a christian marries a muslim, which to me would be a far greater transgression toward their particular gods than same gender couples wanting the union.
  • Reply By ByuTfulDisaster ByuTfulDisaster | 11 months ago
    Kraeg--In response to:

    "But consider this for a moment... I haven't yet heard any of the so-called religious groups arguing to keep the tradition of marriage between people of the same faith. There isn't anyone up in arms when a christian marries a muslim, which to me would be a far greater transgression toward their particular gods than same gender couples wanting the union."

    How can you say what would be considered a greater transgression towards someone's deity when you obviously have no knowledge of what they believe?

    For example, the issue of homosexuality to a Christian is about what the God of the bible says about it (it is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord). That said, the bible merely advises Christians not to be unequally yoked which refers to the marrying of a non-believer because of the potential for strife and discord in marriage this could cause.

    What many fail to understand is that a Christian is, by nature of his or her confession, to view and accept the bible as the inspired word of God. Therefore, there is no room for them to decide what would be more or less offensive to God. He has made it clear in the scriptures.

    I can't speak on other faith's viewpoints on the issue, but I would assume that whatever traditions or sacred writings guide their beliefs would dictate what is offensive to their gods in the same way the bible does for Christians.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Well now that argument is the best one I've seen yet. That the "privilege" is offered to all members of society, therefore it should not be denied to others. That's a logical argument, but what I'm trying to argue is it is currently not a "civil right" as far as I can see. The constitution does not address sexual orientation, as it does with race or religion.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, if my boss hated oranges, I wouldn't try to get a raise by sending him a basket of them! The survey I refer to in my article indicates that 55% of Americans don't have a problem with gay unions, they just don't want to have it referred to as a "marriage" which has a very distinct religious meaning. So if the "rights" are the same for a civil union, why does it matter what it's called?
  • Reply By Kraeg Kraeg | 11 months ago
    I understand what you are saying, but I disagree. It does matter what it is called. I think you would agree that when African-Americans were finally allowed to sit anywhere on the bus they liked, rather than at the back, it would have made a huge difference if they were told they wouldn't be called "passengers", but "seconds". Same privilege, same freedoms, but we'll just call them something different. All that is accomplished is that they would still be singled out as different in a situation that doesn't require segmentation. If all the rights and privileges are the same for a same sex union, calling it something other than marriage still marks it as different, and not usual.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Well I have empathy for the argument, but I'm still not convinced that the issue is as weighty as Black civil rights issues. Also there is a separation of church and state issue. All the state can really do is enforce the rights of those "married" in a church. If the state gives gay couples all the legal rights of heterosexual marriages, it is still up to the church to sanction the "marriage".

    Just seems like in the long run they hurt their own cause by demanding that they be "equal" instead of "equitable" in their treatment by the state. Legal "equality" is a misnomer anyway; it's a nice word, but practically it doesn't exist.
  • Posted By sjlewis sjlewis | 11 months ago
    The reason gay men and women want to be "married" is identical to why people want to "preserve" the word marriage. Because the word marriage, and husband and wife, means something profound in our culture. It conveys a level of love, commitment, and unity that no other term can give. Holding that back from couples, regardless of what other legal rights are given, DOES still deny them a right. It's the right to have their relationships recognized socially and culturally as equally valid and good as all the rest.

    If you still doubt my words above, then I will give you a challenge. Live a week of your life without recognizing ANY marriages. Not your own, not your friends, none. Don't use the words to yourself or to others. Marriage, wife, husband, even spouse - those words are out. Life partner, domestic partner, lover, boyfriend, girlfriend, and so on. Instead of "How's your wife been this week?", you get "How's your loving partner been this week?" Really try it, really see how people react, and really see how it feels. I bet you'll understand why people are so insistent about this.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Well I can see your point, but then your point only adds weight to my own, which is that marriage, as it is currently understood, is something very specific; it is very specific to heterosexual marriages. If the issue is "do gay couples have the same legal rights as others" then I'm all for your argument, and for the "rights" of gay unions.

    I'm still not convinced, however, that not defining that union as a marriage detrimentally harms the legal standing of gay couples. Ultimately I can understand gay couples wanting to be "accepted with open arms" by having the same terminology for their unions, but I don't think that's a "right", as much as a desire.
  • Posted By Kraeg Kraeg | 11 months ago
    I agree with you completely about each church deciding who can and can't experience a ceremony within that church. It would be like a golf club refusing to allow me a ceremony on their property since I am not a member.

    But my marriage, a completely civil affair, is recognized in the eyes of the law despite anything the church has to say about it. My wife and I are not religious and do not intend to have children. But we are entitled to, and receive, the privilege of being called 'married'. What this means is that the term exists outside of the church and inside the parameters of law, which actually does purport to treat all citizens equally, regardless of practice.

    The argument for the tradition of marriage comes exclusively from a religious perspective. My wife and I did not marry by the religious traditions of being wed in a church nor for the purpose of raising a family. Again, regardless, we are still considered married by our legislators. It is due to MY union being recognized as a marriage that there should be absolutely NO argument regarding anyone else's union.
  • Posted By VickiWagner VickiWagner | 11 months ago
    Plain and simple- all US citizens should have the same rights and let's face it, we don't. Gays have been discriminated in this country since its' inception. We don't care about the LABEL marriage-we want ALL the rights that go with it. Yes, that's right- people who are "married" have about 1000 more federally protected rights than civil unions, so you are misinformed. Also, why did blacks want to marry whites? Why did Asians want to marry Hispanics? Why? Because they LOVED one another and deserved the right to do so, just as gays deserve the right to get married and declare their love of one another to the world. No one takes you seriously when you introduce your "Partner" sounds like a cowboy or a business partner, but when you say, "This is my husband/wife" people get it.
    Do you got it? Good.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 11 months ago
    Actually you agreed with my whole point for this article - you stated "We don't care about the LABEL marriage-we want ALL the rights that go with it." If that were true, then the arguments for gay rights need to be seriously reconsidered, because all I see are "we have the RIGHT to marriage". My argument was, NO ONE, heterosexual or homosexual, truly has the "right" to marriage. The fact that heterosexuals have been supported in the institution of marriage for centuries should be kind of an obvious "that's the way the world works".

    So now, if gays do desire the "right" to be allowed a marriage, in all the senses that heterosexual marriage is, then its not just an issue of dealing with the legal elements. Part of the institution of marriage has historically been one of religion. Before state-sanctioned marriage licenses, all it took was standing in a Papist church and stating "we will honor one another" to become married!

    But that's my point! Legal "marriage" is different from religious "marriage". I agree that homosexual relationships should be afforded all the legal "rights" of marital couples, but the concept of "marriage" as it is historically known, and it seems to me, as homosexuals believe is their right, is really a religious belief in the institution of marriage, which strictly speaking to this point, has been marriage between a man and a woman.

    Hopefully I didn't muddle that up too much. My daughter just got on my case indicating I may be giving people the impression that I'm sounding "anti-gay relationships", which I'm not at all. I'm just saying the argument that it is a "right" is fallacious, strictly speaking.

    And finally, it seems to me that in order for the homosexual community to get what they want, they have to find ways for people like me, who are NOT anti-gay, to be convinced that what they seek will not erode those things that are significant and important in our world, for whatever reason. That includes the institution of marriage as a religious union between man and wife. And, by the way I'm divorced, and not extremely religious LOL so I'm probably not a hard sell, but there will be MANY others who are. Until the gay rights movement takes that into consideration, I'm afraid they won't get where they need to be to make those changes happen.
  • Posted By Punditty Punditty | 11 months ago
    Interesting discussion, and I am heartened by the civil tone even though there has been some disagreement on substance.

    I was especially glad to see mention of the 9th and 10th Amendments and a brief discussion of the Federalist vs. anti-Federalist positions on enumerating rights; the 9th & 10th were intended to ensure a broad interpretation of rights, not a narrow one. Unfortunately, over the past 15-20 years, the Far Right has been able to make headlines with the charge that judges who rightly adhere to this wider interpretation of the Constitution - one that is, in fact, mandated by the Constitution itself - are somehow "legislating from the bennch." Not so; these kinds of judges are simply trying to codify on specific instances what the Founding Fathers attempted to ensure with the broad swath of Amendments 9 and 10.

    I would also like to suggest Thomas Paine's "The Rights of Man" for those who believe that rights have to be explicitly spelled out in the Constitution for them to exist. With all due respect, that limiting idea is antithetical to the whole idea of American freedom. Unless there is explicit law against something, the right exists.

    As far the states that have made "laws" against gay and lesbian marriage, rest assured that they will not stand the test of time, just as Jim Crow laws and anti-miscegenation laws did not stand the test of time.

    I still say that the state should get out of the business of sanctioning "marriages" and retool for tax purposes, etc., with the term "civil unions." Leave the term "marriage" for the churches. But until that happens, gays and lesbians should have just as much of a right as straights when it comes to getting married. Seems like such an obvious truth in light of the U.S. Constitution and other legal precedents, but sometimes, as Tolstoy wrote, "God sees the truth, but waits."

  • Posted By rickmarc rickmarc | 11 months ago
    OK I am a gay guy with a "partner". We have been together for 6 years. We have exchanged rings and promises in our own home with our family present and take those promises seriously. Because we live in New Mexico where there is NO provision for "marriage" or "civil unions" we of course are not recognized by the state or the feds or the insurance companys etc etc etc. We have to pay out taxes seperately and as individuals. Or home is under both our names but we have had to make wills conveying it to each other in the event of one of us dieing. If one of us does die then my partner or myself will end up paying 25 to 48% in taxes. OK so, if we were married we wouldnt have to pay anything at least according to the IRS.
    Thats just one example of the differences that married folk dont have to worry about. There are several more but I hope you get the idea. We as a couple are not concerned about the actual word used to describe a legal "contract" between myself and my partner, as long as it will have the same benefits that the word married does. As a gay guy me personally,I can see that because of Religions, peoples fears and prejudices about gays that the word married conotates more of a religious union between a man and woman. Dont get us wrong, we both believe in God we are both religious and try to lead our lives both personally and professionally with respect for others and ourselves. We at times dont get it in return, "turn the other cheek" as it were. We enjoyed everybodys discussion in here and was happily surprised by the vocal support of the gay community.
  • Posted By ByuTfulDisaster ByuTfulDisaster | 11 months ago
    I agree with you wholeheartedly onlinebusinesswoman. I too understand what sjlewis is saying. The challenge to stop acknowledging marriages for a week really made it hit home. But I too think that it is more of a desire, however deep and human, rather than a right. If it were to be defined as so then I, like you, would have to back it.
  • Posted By DaveGordon DaveGordon | 10 months ago
    Recently several articles in such publications as The New York Times have proposed that the state get out of the marriage business altogether. Gay or straigt, couples would have civil unions sanctioned by the state, with the legal rights now conferred on married couples. Marriage would be sanctioned by a church or other religious or quasi-religious organization (e.g. Ethical Culture), which would have its own ceremonies and definitions. The state would only define legal and taxation status for civil unions, not marriages.
  • Reply By onlinebusinesswoman onlinebusinesswoman | 8 months ago
    I think this would be a perfect solution. As I've argued here, civil unions are completely separate than what has been defined as a "marriage" in a religious sense. I know I'm hashing semantics here, but I think it is significant. If nothing else, it is significant because it would help gay rights come a LOT further, if we could qualify that a gay couple's "RIGHTS" are just as significant as heterosexual "RIGHTS", but that doesn't mean that one has to recognize the religious sanctity of it and still not get along with one another. After all that's what our country is founded upon! The ability to agree to disagree, and leaving moral and religious beliefs, and practices, to that individual and their own higher powers.
  • Posted By PigsCantFly PigsCantFly | 10 months ago
    Everyone has the right to be treated equally. There's nothing in the constitution that says it's your right to sit at the front of a bus. But if you deny a person the ability the sit there, while allowing it for others, that's discrimination.

    It's the same for gay marriage. If I say this couple over here is allowed to get married while this couple isn't, and the only thing that differentiates them is their sexuality, then I'm being discriminatory and a homophobe.
  • Posted By Laney Laney | 8 months ago
    It is the same reason that Separate but Equal was deemed unconstitutional in Brown v Board. Putting gay marriage into its own separate category inherently makes gay unions inferior to heterosexual unions.
  • Posted By spikex spikex | 7 months ago
    god made humans> humans can think for themselves>
    Whats deemed wrong and right is what we think god would want, we dont know.

    How do we know what god wants?
    Whose spoken to god and has the evidence to proove it?

    We assume we understand humanity when our own destiny is predetermined.
    Respect and humbleness to others means accepting the way they were created and there mind sets.
  • Posted By pollard pollard | about 1 month ago
    I have heard all these folks talking about the 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th Amendments and how they give us this and that, well I hate to break the bad news, but the Constitution does not give us any rights! It guarntees the rights we are born with as a citizen of this great nation.

    Anyway, for more bad news we already have equal rights when it comes to gay marriage. You as a gay cannot marry another gay, yet myself as a hetrosexual male cannot marry a gay male either. Yet we both can marry someone of the opposite sex.

    Actually, since I'm not gay that would give you more rights than myself or all the other millions of hetero's.
  • Posted By DaveGordon DaveGordon | about 1 month ago
    The question of gay marriage pertains to a whole gamut of rights granted to heterosexual married couples, but not to gays in committed relationships. They can't file joint taxes. They are not guaranteed hospital visiting privilages that are limited to spouses. Inheritance in the absence of a will is not conferred on a marital partner. I believe some gay organizations, by combing civil law have come up with literally hundreds of rights taken for granted by heterosexuals by unavailable to gays. While it may be possible to create a category of relationship that grants gay couples all the rights of marriage without using the term, only a handful of states have attempted to set up such a status.
    Dave Gordon
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