Congress refuses Americans a fiscal cliff deal for Xmas
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Congress refuses Americans a fiscal cliff deal for Xmas

Washington : DC : USA | Dec 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM PST
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Fiscal cliff

The US Congress and President Obama have left town for Xmas without any deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff" at the end of the year. The vision of a grand scheme is long gone. What remains is at most some temporary fix or stop-gap solution.

The fiscal cliff negotiations seem to have gone nowhere after promising developments that saw both sides compromise to some extent. However with speaker Boehner failing to pass a bill through the house that would see a tax rise only for those earning a million dollars a year, it seems clear that the Republicans are not willing to compromise at all on taxing the rich. There is no possibility of any grand bargain it would seem.

The solution, if there is one, will surely be a last minute temporary fix that will put off most significant decisions on into 2013 but will at least avoid the possible recession that would probably result if the fiscal cliff is not avoided. The fix would simply pass the difficult task of making spending cuts and raising taxes the first task of the new government early next year. At the same time, the issue of the debt ceiling will immediately start a new snarly debate no doubt.

Obama still hopes for a deal that would extend benefits for the long-term unemployed, and keep the Bush era tax cuts for most Americans. While Obama would like to see the tax cuts expire for those earning over $250,000 a year, he might be forced to raise the level somewhat to have the Republicans agree. However, given the failure of Boehner's plan B even that may not be possible. A Boehner spokesperson said that Obama has failed to offer a solution that meets the Republicans test of balance. Republican McConnell suggested passing a house bill that would extend tax rates for all Americans and then push for comprehensive tax reform next year. Obama has said over and over that he would not opt for any deal that did not raise taxes on the rich

Some representatives seem resigned to going over the cliff. Republican Patrick Tiberi said:"I think we're going to go over the cliff. I don't see something getting done." Economist Steve Blitz said that if "fiscal cliff" negotiations actually stretch into the new year, the stock market will probably decline increasing pressure for a deal to get done.

Obama struck a more optimistic note as everyone left on Friday for an Xmas break: “Call me a hopeless optimist, but I actually still think we can get it done. This is something within our capacity to solve. It doesn’t take that much work. We just have to do the right thing.” While Obama sounded optimistic, he gave no hint of why such optimism was warranted given the present impasse. Obama continued: “I am still ready and willing to get a comprehensive package done. As we leave town for a few days to be with our families for the holidays, I hope it gives everybody some perspective. Everybody can cool off. Everybody can drink some eggnog, have some Christmas cookies, sing some Christmas carols, enjoy the company of loved ones.” Perhaps Obama is just trying to spread some Xmas cheer.

Boehner seemed to have the more accurate description of the situation when he said Friday that “God only knows” how Washington can avoid the "fiscal cliff". However, Brenda Buck spokesperson for Boehner said that "Speaker Boehner will return to Washington following the holiday, ready to find a solution that can pass both houses of Congress.” So far it sounds as if they are about as ready as the NRA is to fight for more controls on guns.


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Posted By Cyberiante Cyberiante | 6 months ago
You conveniently leave out the other half of the equation. The MSM and the dems have managed to make this whole debate about raising taxes on the rich. What is not being discussed are spending cuts. Without those, the fiscal cliff won't be solved. The only spending cuts go something like this: "give us the increased taxes on the rich now and sometime way down the road in the future, we might cut some spending."

Since this Congress cannot force FUTURE congress to do anything, this promise to cut spending is all meaningless.

So what it means if Obama gets his way is we can then "punish" those who are highly productive since we all feel better about that. But nothing even remotely significant cuts in our out of bounds spending.

The press is letting only one side of this story get out. So if you want to continue to parrot that line, go for it. You are just wrong.
Posted By ChristopherKay ChristopherKay | 6 months ago
Greedy Republicans are a bunch of leaches that live on the hard work of the ordinary majority. If a Fiscal Cliff is to take place, then the Republicans watch out as this will come to haunt you people for a very long time to come. Remember the USA is fast changing and the republicans are left far behind. Americans will commit to memory what you Demolition Democrats do to the have-nots.
Posted By Cyberiante Cyberiante | 6 months ago
@CKay - Gawd, could you be more of a tool of the left? Your comments only parrot the talking points of the left. THey've managed to convince you that Republicans are greedy leaches. Wow, I have to hand it to them!

Of course, the Repubs and Dems are only 2 degrees apart and I don't care for either. The true word to use is "Conservative" which does not equal "Republican". Only conservitive thinking will save this country.

And that has NOTHING to do with wealth, greed and other issues. As a conservative, (and not one of wealth at all), my heart cries out for the poor and downtrodden that have been put there AND kept there by the left - who AFTER putting them in dire straighs have convinced them that the Dems are their only salvation.

AS proof, why is every major city that is a train wreck (Detroit, Philly, etc) with major unemployment, etc, been run by Democrats for decades? But where conservatives have had the power (Texas for example), EVERYONE is doing better?

UNLESS the dems are willing to truly cut this disastrous spending, no amount of tax increases (on just the wealthly or on ALL of us) will ever save the day. But then again, you have been educated by leftists in education and college and you actually believe this stuff. I feel sorry for all of us.
Posted By Cyberiante Cyberiante | 6 months ago
Also note, CKay, like most on the left, you respond to a reasoned response like my first one above, with emotion and vitriol and basically hate speech. I only expressed an opinion and your response is to start calling people names. You don't refute or discuss any of the points made. I guess you feel that yelling and stomping around is a proper response.

THAT is why this country is SO SCREWED. There is no logical discourse any more.

Just tell me where my initial comment at the top is wrong - and why we don't need to cut spending, even IF we raise taxes????
Posted By tylertxsteve tylertxsteve | 6 months ago
i have a good idea... why dont we throw the whole damn Government off the fiscal cliff! o yeah dont the slime in chief. Obama wants us to go off the fiscal cliff. look at all the revenue he gets to spend.I though that he was the Messiah. He's the greatest communicator than ever lived, he was going to bring everybody together, he was going to stop the gridlock, BUT THATS WHAT YOU SAID. GOING TO TRY AGAIN*** IT IS ***ALL*** THERE FAULTS!!!!!! HAY THEY HAVE brainwashed YOU TO TAKE SIDES!!!!its both sides. Who had the answer JFK watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D-2HYC-XZE 2:02
JFK a true American hero
Posted By waitingintheshadows waitingintheshadows | 6 months ago
Isn't it obvious that everyone in Congress couldn't give a rat's behind about what happens to dampen the wallets of most Americans? Dems and Repubs just don't care about common people,they only want your vote,then GFYS.I would that we stop voting this slime back in office every election,but no,the last one proved we have absolutely NO common sense ourselves as voters!Let's face it America,we get what we wanted,and that's screwed in the end!
Posted By tylertxsteve tylertxsteve | 6 months ago
@waitingintheshadows wow there is others out there that can see what is going own. they have won.. we are split 50/50 in America. when it should be us against them. hay ****Cyberiante***** they are ALL A bunch of leaches that live on the hard work of the ordinary majority. Y DO YOU THINK THEY SPEND MILLIONS TO GET IN AND STAY IN! you HAVE been brainwashed..open your eyes
Posted By Cyberiante Cyberiante | 6 months ago
@tylertx - what part of my writing did you miss? I fully agree with you that both sides are at fault. We need to vote the whole mess out - but unfortunately, that won't work as long as we have brainwashed such as CKay above who WILL keep voting his part of the trash back in.

While the recent election was a win for Obama, note that it was within 3 percent of a tie, so in no way was there a landslide or "mandate" for him. This country still has some sane voters. Now, all we need is voter ID laws and go back to paper ballots so the next one cant be stolen.
Reply By tylertxsteve tylertxsteve | 6 months ago
@Cyberiante my apology... when i went back to the top copy and paste the wrong name. guys i was a lib dem until about march of 2012. and the more i here the madder i have got. we are going to hell in a hand basket. "I" sounded like everybody else. they are manipulated us and we are blind to what they have done. they are destroying America for there personal gain. go back to the beginning of recorded history...its not the peeps that destroy the nation..it was the leaders. please... wake up people "THEY" have caused this mess
Posted By haywoodwhy haywoodwhy | 6 months ago
Almost everyone of these congress people are in office to represent the wealthy corporation or individual that pays their bills. We are talking human beings here, who easily fall prey to the sway of extreme wealth and power. Most of them do not even live in the same world as the normal citizen on the street, and this is especially true for the economic world. How does a sane person ever come to the conclusion that these folks are capable of representing them also? Well, they do not represent us, never have, and they never will. Why do you think this country has gone down hill for so many years? It is because people still believe the same drivel coming out of the powerful's mouth that they have believed all along. We live in a stupid country, filled with stupid people, who have been hypnotized by their television sets into thinking that what they think must be right because they are saying it on the tube also. Pathetic!
Posted By tylertxsteve tylertxsteve | 6 months ago
@haywoodwhy good post and very true,
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