Ryan ventures into Quayle territory with JFK reference
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Ryan ventures into Quayle territory with JFK reference

Danville : KY : USA | Oct 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM PDT
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Ryan and JFK in debate

Oct. 11, 2012

The most striking thing about GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan's allusion to President Kennedy’s tax polices was that mentioning JFK obviously wasn’t part of Ryan’s prepared script.

It’s one thing to go off script into Wonkland; it’s quite another to venture into Dan Quayle territory when you go there.

In an exchange that found Ryan interrupting to cite “Jack Kennedy” as the vice president disputed Ryan’s budgetary assertions, Biden immediately recognized the fat pitch that had just been served up to him.

Without missing a beat, he took the gift Ryan had just handed him. “Oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy,” Biden quipped sarcastically.

For even the most casual political debate watcher, the exchange between Biden and Ryan called to mind the 1988 vice presidential debate between Democratic Sen. Lloyd Bentsen and Republican Sen. Dan Quayle.

After Quayle defended himself against charges of youthful inexperience by saying he had spent almost as much time in the Congress at that point as John F. Kennedy had in 1960 when he sought the presidency, Bentsen responded with a "zinger."

“Senator,” the somber-voiced Bentsen counseled the fresh-faced Quayle, “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.”

Apart from Michael Dukakis getting a tank in an ill-conceived campaign photo-op, the Quayle-Bentsen exchange is arguably the most memorable pop culture moment of the ’88 campaign.

While Ryan’s reference to JFK was not the “take-away” moment of the night, it will certainly be remembered as one of Biden’s better moments.

For what it's worth, MSNBC commentator Rachel Maddow said just before the debate began that while Ryan did not consult 2008 GOP VP nominee Sarah Palin in preparing for the debate with Biden, he did consult Quayle.

It showed.

Republicans can take heart, however. In spite of the embarrassing moment for Quayle, the Republicans won handily over the Democrats that November.

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SOURCES:

Ryan-Biden debate transcript, Oct. 11, 2012, Washington Post

Wikipedia entry on “You’re no Jack Kennedy” line in 1988 VP debate

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In 1988, GOP vice presidential nominee Dan Quayle (left) mentioned John F. Kennedy during a debate. In 2012, Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan (right) invoked John F. Kennedy as he discussed tax policy. In both cases, the name-dropping did not go well for the Republicans. (Image: Wikimedia Commons)
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Posted By itobin53 itobin53 | 8 months ago
There were a lot of moments in this debate that will be played over and over for years to come. As you correctly pointed out, Ryan was so rehearsed, he was like a piece of insincere plastic reciting memorized lines - which were needed because it is common knowledge that he is out of his league on the national stage.

Not only was Ryan clearly acting, his performance would not win him any awards.

Looking forward to SNL this weekend. :)
Reply By albertacowpoke Karl Gotthardt | 8 months ago
DANVILLE, Ky. — Vice President Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.) tangled fiercely and noisily here Thursday night over the economy and foreign policy in a spirited debate that underscored the vast differences between the Democratic and Republican tickets on virtually every issue in the presidential campaign.

The other contrast with the presidential debate was the absence of a clear winner. Romney was universally judged to have bested Obama in Denver, but Biden and Ryan each made their points with force and conviction.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/biden-ryan-debate-features-two-washington-veterans-with-very-different-styles/2012/10/11/6f24b4fa-13d4-11e2-bf18-a8a596df4bee_story.html?wpisrc=nl_politics

So in other words Biden only looked good because his boss' performance in the Colorado debate was dismal.
Posted By albertacowpoke Karl Gotthardt | 8 months ago
The most astonishing thing in this debate was grandpa Biden's smug behaviour. He obviously didn't realize that there was a split screen. He also had no answer for the Libya debacle. Despite evidence to the contrary the VP continued to stick to the script that it was the State Department's fault.

As far as Jack Kennedy goes, Ryan merely mentioned that Kennedy and Reagan cut taxes and the economy started growing. This Quayle likeness may work with the left of the spectrum, but Paul Ryan ain't no Qayle. If this is all people got out of the debate I feel sorry for them. There was a clear distinction made between the policies of Obama/Biden and Romney/Ryan. Paul Ryan articulated it well. For myself I will remember the VPs attitude on the split screen, especially during the Libya and Iran debate. How is one to take him serious.
Posted By tjlarson tjlarson | 8 months ago
Biden absolutely carried this debate from start to finish... I also agree that there was lots of fodder for the comedians in this debate...

as far as how the JFK reference went, Ryan may have come out better had he just ripped off his shirt and flexed for the camera or something... maybe even threw in a "Hulk smash" or two

probably wouldn't have scored many points but it would have been far more amusing.
Posted By Surly_Curmudgen Surly_Curmudgen | 8 months ago
With one exception, JFK was a shallow facade with very little content to his character. That one exception was his cutting taxes and growing the economy and that is absolutely anathema to the political left. They are firmly convinced that cutting taxes costs the government money and increasing taxes make the government money and grows the economy. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the exact opposite is true.

As for the debate, calling it a draw would be wishful thinking. Biden clearly demonstrated why his peers voted him the least intelligent member of that body. Ryan clearly won the debate.
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