Comprehending the incomprehensibility (of Romney on health care)
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Comprehending the incomprehensibility (of Romney on health care)

Fort Collins : CO : USA | Jul 17, 2012 at 2:46 AM PDT
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U.S. President Obama makes a statement about the Supreme Court's decision on his Administration's health care law at the White House in Washington

You’ve got to be kidding me. Health care, still? Haven’t you all tired of this “debate” yet? The Supreme Court has deliberated and spoken. The non-starter question of Constitutionality has been answered. The Anti-Health Care Republican Crusade should be over, folks.

That Romney continues to wave the health care flag at his constituents is ludicrous. We all get that, by doing so, he only offers them yet another of his now-famous hypocritical “flip-flops”. I take the liberty of assumption here in presuming that everyone knows that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was based upon Romney’s successful rollout of his plan as governor in Massachusetts. Shoot. He even supported the individual mandate – you know, that portion of the bill to which his loyal rightists are most opposed and of which even the Supreme Court did not uphold. Yet, he continues to fly on his “repeal and replace” jet, completely indifferent to the noxious fumes he blows along the way.

Really, I think Obama could just sit back and ride the remainder of this campaign season out without saying another word – that is if we could be assured of a critically minded public not requiring a detailed debriefing of Romney’s incongruities. Or, the guarantee of a society not so logically bereft that the incompatibilities of the so-called argument fail them, despite our patient explanation. It is absurd, to say the least, that we should be tasked with re-explaining the explanation of the Supreme Court’s justified ruling. (I, personally, find it to be incomprehensible that one shouldn’t understand the comprehensibility of comprehensive health care in the first place.)

The greater inanity of the Republican stance on this now non-starter is that they seem to miss that Romney’s intent is to “repeal and replace” the existing mandate. That he intends to put forth another plan should have that party completely out-of-whack and peeved as all heck! If they are opposed to the entire idea, why do they support a guy that intends to put forth another version of the same thing? Talk about flip-flopping. I get the excuse that this shouldn’t be a federal matter but, rather, a state one (as they have simultaneously attempted to make abortion – another health care consideration – a federal issue), but now that they’ve taken it to the Supreme Court of the United States, it’s a federal done-deal. As president, Romney could only put out another federal health care plan, to which Republicans are supposedly opposed.

I’m really trying to understand my apparent misunderstanding of this whole thing. Romney wants to repeal the health care plan that was based on his own health care plan and replace it with his own (yet to be revealed) health care plan, which isn’t his original health care plan but will be a new health care plan. And, despite Republicans being opposed to any health care plan, they will support Romney’s health care plan. Repeal and replace. Gotcha.

This repeal and replace thing is actually a perfect example of typical-to-Republicans regressive behavior in politics. Were every incoming president to repeal and replace every policy the previous dude had put into place, we would still be living in the all-glorious and much revered days of our beginnings; haulin’ around muskets to hunt muskrats. (Learnin’ curve? We don’t need no damn learnin’ curve!) If Romney is elected, we can just erase the progress made over Obama’s term and return to the splendor of the Bush years.

I understand the implausibility of voting for the lesser of the two evils. However, when a person’s “lesser” is the very one who brought about the one thing that is most loathed about the other’s policies, I’ve got to question that person’s capacity for reason. This conflagration of rational thought lends perfectly to the pretext that “group-think” is dangerous: Once an erroneous conclusion, based on faulty logic, is put to the non-thinking audience of our public as accurate and realistic, it is passed along as valid and true. Despite that one can’t rework the invalidity of a thing that is inherently invalid, it remains somehow acceptable because every Tom, Joe and Harry say it is so.

The Republicans have gotten themselves into quite a bind on this one. Having screamed in opposition over health care from the get-go in such a declarative fashion, they find that backing down from their disgruntled perch is an impossibility. They are hell-bent that they are in the “right” (and they’re a pride-full bunch, to be sure) and there ain’t no a-stoppin’ ‘em now. (Hmm. This is kind of reminiscent of the ongoing Birth Certificate Conspiracy.) Catty and vindictive sons-o-guns will go about it every which preposterous way to prove their correctness despite being deemed incorrect by the highest court tasked with deciding that which is correct. As a good friend has previously said to me, “You can’t reason with the unreasonable.”

I look forward to sitting this dance out. I mean, the music did stop playing some time ago and I could sure use a breather and a sip of some refreshment. Never mind that the Republicans are still doing the boogie to that same drab tuneless jig playing in their conglomerative minds. I look forward to hearing all about Romney’s to-be-unveiled alternative health care plan with which he plans to replace the current to-be-repealed one. And, to listening for the forthcoming Republican justification for supporting that which they inherently do not support. Of course, I may be left waiting for a while – Romney will likely put that one off for just as long an undefined period as he has been with revealing his past taxes. (I wonder that Republicans don’t perceive the irony of that one either, but that’s another topic entirely.)

In the meantime, I will try to adopt passive passivity and give way to the idea that my explaining the explanation of my confusion is confusing. I must know by now that there is no making sense of the nonsensical, much less in comprehending the incomprehensible.

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An opponent of U.S. President Barack Obama's health care reform watches as supporters march past him at the Supreme Court in Washington
Victoria Lee is based in Denver, Colorado, United States of America, and is an Anchor for Allvoices.
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Posted By firesisle Hardy Wright | 10 months ago
"You’ve got to be kidding me. Health care, still? Haven’t you all tired of this “debate” yet? The Supreme Court has deliberated and spoken. The non-starter question of Constitutionality has been answered. The Anti-Health Care Republican Crusade should be over, folks."

Republicans aren't opposed to universal health care; they're opposed to THIS healthcare legislation because it's over 2000 pages of ideology, idiocy and pork.

The Supreme Court has only upheld the legislation as constitutional as a tax, which was what Republicans called it in the beginning, and which Obama vehemently denied. They also pulled the government's teeth for any attempts to bully the states. This is significant.
Posted By canucanoe2 canucanoe2 | 10 months ago
Hardy
"Republicans aren't opposed to universal health care;"

REALLY? Repubs are not opposed to socialized medicine; a single payer, universal healthcare system? Is there a gas leak in your house or are you partaking in some heretofore unknown hallucinogen? Maybe you're suffering from TIA's. You know...those mini-strokes that target certain parts of the brain.

That is the most disingenuous statement I've ever seen on this site.
Reply By firesisle Hardy Wright | 10 months ago
"REALLY? Repubs are not opposed to socialized medicine; a single payer, universal healthcare system? Is there a gas leak in your house or are you partaking in some heretofore unknown hallucinogen? Maybe you're suffering from TIA's. You know...those mini-strokes that target certain parts of the brain.

That is the most disingenuous statement I've ever seen on this site."

It's not the statement, but rather your limited understanding. Universal healthcare doesn't have to be a) socialized medicine, or b) direct payer. It can be done more efficiently and economically by other means. It costs us almost a $trillion/year for Medicare/Medicaid. Universal healthcare could be implemented for a little over half that figure, merely by writing a check for a group policy for a safety net HMO type coverage for a group of 350,000,000 people... but you can't fathom that because it's not based on socialism.

Capitalism is always a better solution because it can pay for itself, while socialism always requires you steal money from somebody else.
Reply By canucanoe2 canucanoe2 | 10 months ago
"Medicare and Medicaid would be absorbed, since they would become redundant, as would the medical portion of Veterans Administration. Do your research, and run the numbers... I did.. it works."
Are you saying that you are going to increase the pool of 50 million medicare recipients by 600%, add those same 50 million medicare recipients to the universal pool, increase employment as a result AND leave profit for the insurance companies? All for the same $500 billion that medicare costs us now? Who IS going to pay for this? How does it pay for itself? Are you even looking at the numbers you support as fact? You're saying that you can taken a loaf of bread, cut it half, and feed 6 times as many people with it.
Do the math. 500billion/350million equals $1428.57. You are saying that we could cover 350 million people for only $1429 per person per year, and still leave profit for the insurance companies. You think the insurance lobbyists are gonna let that one get by huh? Not only are you delusional, but you're nuts if you expect anyone to buy into that pile of crap you call an argument.
Reply By firesisle Hardy Wright | 10 months ago
a) you didn't read it. Actually the number I got was about $640 billion which divided by 350 million which is about $1828 per year, per individual, or about $152/mo, which is close to a currently available rate.

Let's say we toss out double that much... say $300/month per person... which would run about $1.2trillion, still not much more than what we pay for Medicare/Medicaid alone. That's plenty of money for a basic, safety net policy, for every living human inside our borders.

Please tell me you at least understand how group policies work, and why the premiums are lower?

PS. Mediare/Medicaid costs us about $950billion/year.

Clearly, it's over your head...
Reply By canucanoe2 canucanoe2 | 10 months ago
The right constantly decries hypothetical "death panels" and rationed care, but what you propose, a for-profit universal healthcare system would contain these draconian provisions because of the greed of the people running the programs. It is basically what we have right now. Rationed care. You know that over 40,000 people a year die because they lack coverage. Why is this? Because for-profit entities ALWAYS put the bottom line ahead of the welfare of people, and that's why they don't extend affordable or discounted policies to the poor. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OUT OF IT!

"It's not the statement, but rather your limited understanding."
My limited understanding? Medicare covers 47 million people at a cost just under 400 billion dollars. You must have a magical bag of tricks if you think you can eliminate a successful and efficient program like Medicare, and cover an additional 300 million people for $500 billion, all while miraculously retaining a profit for the private sector running the program.
Got some magic beans you're interested in selling?
Reply By firesisle Hardy Wright | 10 months ago
"The right constantly decries hypothetical "death panels" and rationed care, but what you propose, a for-profit universal healthcare system would contain these draconian provisions because of the greed of the people running the programs."

Not so... anybody who wants to spend the money to insure 350,000,000 people can get whatever they want. In that case it would be a buyers market and the actual insurance company would be chosen by competitive bidding on the policy we want.

We tell them we want a basic, safety net policy, with a major medical rider, and no exclusions for preexisting conditions. They give us a price; now we have a hard figure, that is budgetable, and the onus for keeping health costs down is on the insurer.

The other advantage is that it would migrate jobs in the public sector, for Medicaid, Medicare, Disabled Veterans, etc into the private sector, which would stimulate the economy.

I think that beats the heck out of 2000+ pages of ideology, pork and idiocy...

"'It's not the statement, but rather your limited understanding.'
My limited understanding? Medicare covers 47 million people at a cost just under 400 billion dollars. You must have a magical bag of tricks if you think you can eliminate a successful and efficient program like Medicare, and cover an additional 300 million people for $500 billion, all while miraculously retaining a profit for the private sector running the program.
Got some magic beans you're interested in selling?"

It doesn't take a magic bag of tricks; it requires only imagination, innovation and the avoidance of ideological maxims and instead looking for a pragmatic solution.

As far as the price, I've done some direct research with an insurance company, in terms of premium rates and how cheap a premium in a group of 300,000,000 could be. The answer is REALLY CHEAP. Group insurance always gives the best rates, and the larger the group, the better the deal and coverage.

Medicare and Medicaid would be absorbed, since they would become redundant, as would the medical portion of Veterans Administration. Do your research, and run the numbers... I did.. it works..

and I can canoe...
Posted By canucanoe2 canucanoe2 | 10 months ago
Thanks Victoria, for a deliciously sarcastic take on this absurdly drawn out political ploy by the right. It made me laugh out loud.
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