Extreme conservative responses to Supreme Court health care ruling increase polarization
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Extreme conservative responses to Supreme Court health care ruling increase polarization

Washington : DC : USA | Jul 02, 2012 at 7:25 AM PDT
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Democrats continue to celebrate the Supreme Court ruling upholding the constitutionality of health care reform as Republicans keep lashing out in anger. It is understandable for opponents of the law to react in anger and disbelief; after all, they don’t agree. Republicans were confident the law would be shot down. The extremism of the reactions coming from Republicans, however, is very disconcerting.

President Obama addressed the nation in support of the decision, as well as sharing his hope that the nation will move forward. "The highest court in the land has now spoken. We will continue to implement this law. With today's announcement it is time for us to move forward, to implement and when necessary improve on this law." The president is also asking for any steps necessary to improve the law to be taken. The president also said this decision is "a victory for people all over this country." Obama introduced this legislation and is undoubtedly elated with this decision.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the presumptive 2012 GOP presidnetial nominee, responded by saying, “If we want to get rid of Obamacare, we're going to have to replace President Obama. What the court did not do on its last day in session, I will do on my first day if elected president of the United States, and that is I will act to repeal Obamacare. Let's make sure we understand what the court did and did not do. What the court did today was say that Obamacare does not violate the Constitution. What they did not do was say that Obamacare is good law or good policy. Obamacare was bad policy yesterday, it's bad policy today. Obamacare was bad law yesterday, it's bad law today.” Romney is campaigning heavily against this legislation and this will surely continue to be a key issue in the upcoming election.

Politico reports, “In a closed door House GOP meeting Thursday, Indiana congressman and gubernatorial candidate Mike Pence likened the Supreme Court's ruling upholding the Democratic health care law to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to several sources present.” Pence later apologized for making this statement.

Roy Nicholson, Chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party, posted a response to the decision on the organization's website: “With its 5-4 ruling upholding Obamacare the US Supreme Court has joined with the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government in abandoning the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and with that ruling abandoned the People.”

Nicholson was expressing his frustration with all three branches of government and his belief that the people have been abandoned by their government. “The history books will mark this date as the day our constitutional republic was killed. It will now rest with We the People to decide if it will be resurrected or left to rot in the shallow grave dug for it.” Nicholson continues: “When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.” Nicholson is calling this decision treason and calling for an armed rebellion.

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Calls for an armed rebellion do not end there. CAPCON reports that Mathew Davis, a civil rights attorney from Lansing, Mich., sent an e-mail calling for an armed revolution as well. The e-mail said, in part: “Implicit in Benjamin Franklin's fabled response at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was a dire warning: That the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless we the people prevented it. In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson's election was complete. It cannot be said too many times — for the purposes of emphasis and clarity — that the Constitution was possible ONLY AFTER the American Revolution... Along with their desire to be free came their willingness to engaged in armed rebellion for their freedom. If government can mandate that I pay for something I don't want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court's decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified? God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.”

Calls for armed rebellion are not the only extreme reactions. ThinkProgress reported that Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said, “We still have the issue of Justice Kagan. Either she was totally derelict and negligent in her duties as solicitor general and had absolutely nothing to do with the most important bill to the president, her boss, or she did have something to do with it, she has violated federal law, and as such she needs to be removed from the Supreme Court. I think it’s important to look at Justice Kagan for potential impeachment.”

See the video of his statement here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYF_keGcEAs

Threats of impeachment, armed rebellions and comparing this decision to 9/11 are simply not acceptable responses. It is important for the citizens of the United States to have leadership in place that is level headed, reasonable and responsible. Leaders set the examples for behavior during a time when emotions are high. Seeing responses like these raises new concerns about what is yet to be seen leading into the 2012 presidential election. Statements like these will only accomplish pushing voters further and further away from the conservative agenda.

For information on Liberal extremism click here: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12517080-polarization-in-the-united-states-worsens-following-supreme-court-decision-on-health-care-reform-extreme-responses-from-liberals-raise-concerns

For more information on the effects of extremism on voters click here: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12530275-extremist-reactions-are-not-the-supported-by-the-majority-of-the-general-population-in-the-united-states

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Posted By CallLisa CallLisa | 11 months ago
Liberals always amaze me at the lengths they will go to ignore the obvious wrongs in this nation. This president has caused the most divisiveness of any president in recent history. His blatant disregard of our laws and constitution is clear to those who don't drink the Kool-Aid.
Reply By SweetOlBob SweetOlBob | 11 months ago
"Extreme" conservative comments: That phrase would bother me a lot more if it wasn't the liberal BUZZ word specified to be used against conservatives by Chuckie Schumer in an overheard phone conversation to another democrat.
Pipe in the word Extreme and add the word conservative behind it, and then attribute a man calling for armed revolution to every conservative in the nation. Throw in divisive, which is the apt description of Obama, and you have put his greatest sin off on "Conservatives".
Nice trick, fella. But much more transparent than Obama's promised administration.
Reply By mackie mackie | 11 months ago
To all: stop reacting to diversions.

The country has basic, systemic faults that kill fast jobs, education, housing, the middle class and any security anyone but the 15% of the very rich and their supporters have.

Income for the rest fell, keeps falling for the last 30 years.

Costs have risen.

We lost freedom of speech and assembly.

Job security.

Health coverage.

Concentrate on these instead of falling for diversion tactics such as health care law. Incidentally, the law is badly written but it is not unconstitutional, and no one here is better qualified to decide that issue than judges of the Supreme Court. Majority of those are Republican appointees.

While both parties scream at each other, the conservative to promote hate and fear, the liberals to move on, the rest of the nation is drowning in avalanche of details, propaganda and miss information about a law that the US Supreme Court already decided.

Stop falling into this trap and move to change the problems we face.

What you doing is benefiting the politicians, not the nation.
Reply By mackie mackie | 11 months ago
To all: stop reacting to diversions.

The country has basic, systemic faults that kill fast jobs, education, housing, the middle class and any security anyone but the 15% of the very rich and their supporters have.

Income for the rest fell, keeps falling for the last 30 years.

Costs have risen.

We lost freedom of speech and assembly.

Job security.

Health coverage.

Concentrate on these instead of falling for diversion tactics such as health care law. Incidentally, the law is badly written but it is not unconstitutional, and no one here is better qualified to decide that issue than judges of the Supreme Court. Majority of those are Republican appointees.

While both parties scream at each other, the conservative to promote hate and fear, the liberals to move on, the rest of the nation is drowning in avalanche of details, propaganda and miss information about a law that the US Supreme Court already decided.

Stop falling into this trap and move to change the problems we face.

What you doing is benefiting the politicians, not the nation.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
What are those wrongs? Do you believe that these extreme responses have not driven the division in America?
Reply By SweetOlBob SweetOlBob | 11 months ago
Amee:
To sit quietly and allow Obama and his racist bunch of pandering criminals Carte Blanche to ruin the United States for fear of causing "divisivness" is both cowardly and treasonous.

What's driven the division in America is the racist policies of the Obama administration. Obama exploits this at every turn. It must be resisted at every opportunity.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
What racist policies are you referring to?
Posted By winds7seas winds7seas | 11 months ago
If the Republicans would repeal the health care law, they should be held responsible , both legally and financially, for each and every person they cause suffering, and to the families of those whose deaths they cause.
Reply By SweetOlBob SweetOlBob | 11 months ago
"Suffering and deaths they cause" ?
How about the death panels in the law ? Are you willing to let Grandma die because some bureaucrat said she was too old to get treatment ? How about the suffering cause by the long waiting periods that are proven to happen by Canads's and Britain's similar laws ? How about the suffering of citizens caused f
by haveing to wait in line behind scores of illegals ?

Tey your head out of whatever democRAT protecting hole you have it in and take the time to read all pages of the biggest scam on earth. If you can't understand it, someone will be glad to help you.
Reply By piolenc piolenc | 11 months ago
I get it. If I help repeal a system which will steal from everyone and help a lucky few, I am responsible for any suffering by anyone, from now on. Nice, vicious, lying propaganda line. Shame on you.
Posted By CallLisa CallLisa | 11 months ago
No, I do not believe the extreme responses have caused division. It is the extreme violent response that I get 90% of.the time when I don't agree with the radical left. There have been divisions within my family and.friends when my beliefs differ. There is an amazing amount of narcism blazing across.this country which emanates from the POTUS. How in the world does.he get.the authority to mandate that illegals automatically get a feed pass?
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
You don't think threatening a revolution is causing division? Seriously? I have rarely seen extreme responses from the left on issues, but I guarantee a person get attacked full force from the right when there are disagreements. It may just be the people I am dealing with, but I don't think so. Narcissism? The President has the power of using the tools available to him just like every President before him. And good for him for finally taking at least a baby step toward the issues of Illegal immigration. Congress is obviously not going to.
Reply By CommonSensePatriot CommonSensePatriot | 11 months ago
You have rarely seen extreme responses from the left on issues? Obviously, you were either not born yet and don't read recent history, or you blind, deaft and dumb. I was there in the 60s and 70s when the extreme left rioted at the Democratic National Convention protesting the Vietnam War -- and that was just one instance of riots of extreme leftist liberals against the War, against the President, against Congress, and against anything else they didn't like at the time. I was there when extreme leftists were shooting police and firemen from rooftops. I'm not saying that only leftist extremists did this type of thing; conservative, right wing extremeists have done the same in support of segregation and against civil rights. They shot protestors at colleges, and as far back as the early 1900s were using police to break the heads of workers trying to unionize or strike. Both sides have been guilty of such extremist, radical violence. That kind of violence in no way compares to the proper, dignified, but yes, violent, sacrifices of the American revolution. To try to cloak this kind of radical behavior in the flag of patriotism is disgusting. And I say this as a conservative and a Republican.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
I am saying that I have not seen this type of behavior in the past few years. Since Obama took office and in my opinion the right has gotten very extreme.
Posted By CallLisa CallLisa | 11 months ago
Hand a free pass to citizenship? ;-l
Posted By piolenc piolenc | 11 months ago
Tomorrow I will read the Declaration of Independence to my family. Here is a relevant passage: "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Yes, calls for armed struggle to restore the Constitution are "extreme," but so is the provocation. And if all other remedies fail, it is the People's right to remove usurpers by force. They should not forget that, because we haven't.
Reply By laddieboy laddieboy | 10 months ago
so ya just want to have ALL ur rights taken away Amee ? No, it isn't a good thing to happen, but do U honestly think "We the People" are #1 in the gov's eyes anymore ? I don't, and I also think it is time to clean house, however it needs to take place. Do U think our gov would worry about how many "collateral damage"'s they had ? U & I are puppets to them.....expendable when the end justifies the means. Read the Constitution & see how many "rights" have already been deleted. And read the Declaration of Independence too, you may be surprised at the avenues "given" to it's citizens. U used to have a right to resist an unlawful arrest, ha, try that one again.....you get shot & the murderer will go free! Time is of the essence now, despots have taken the government over & money & power is their objective. That's power over you & me, to do as they will. Hide your guns & ammo, they will come for it.......;p
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
And threats like that are part of what is tearing our country apart.
Posted By mrsnaye mrsnaye | 11 months ago
Amee, where is the rest of the story? This is a nice one-sided, narrow-minded attack on the Republicans. Where are the reasons that some people are so upset? Reporters are supposed to give the the why, who, where, when, and how. You did a good job on everything but the why. Try doing a follow up with that information. At the very least, it will make you appear more level-headed than the obvious bias in this report.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
I am actually working on a report about the extremism on the left. The purpose of this report is the extremism on the right. Why are people upset? People are always upset when they disagree with decisions that do not go their way. But the bigger picture here is... the extremism causes the "why" to be lost.
Reply By mrsnaye mrsnaye | 11 months ago
Extremism causes the "why" to be lost. So, you didn't report the why because you either a) don't want the why to be heard; b) haven't done your homework to discover the why; or c) don't want to give any reference to it because you don't want people to know the whole story. Regardless, you chose not to do a complete job with this story. And I may be wrong but after reading other articles, I'm expecting your "extremist left" story to be full of why's because you personally believe they are correct. We writers need to keep our opinions out of our editing for basic stories. Opinion pieces should clearly be marked as such.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
You, just as anyone else, are entitled to voice your opinion. It is always wiser to not make assumptions and instead deal with information when it is presented. I write as I see fit. You always have the option of not reading what I put out here. I do not believe extremism is correct on any front and you are passing judgments on me with no basis. I always welcome input on articles I post, but you are simply voicing your opinion of me. Move on.
Posted By Pericles Pericles | 11 months ago
Negative stimulations are perhaps the most effective marketing tool in the dark world of politics. More troubling is the fact that when this President says, ”this is a victory for people all over this country” and the like, the now copious amounts of objective evidence suggests he has inverted reality yet again. When he says, ”it's now time to implement this law” he means it's time to roll out the huge unprecedented bureaucracy that will ultimately clog the healthcare system for numerous reasons, increase internal tension, greatly increase costs for everybody, and essentially do further damage to an already broken industry that has been breaking since government and their inextricably linked tort lawyers attached themselves to the healthcare gravy train under the guise of protection. Anybody older than twenty years or so should be able to clearly see what happens when government touches something. It breaks almost every time. It's amazing in fact. This administration is by far the most divisive I have seen in my lifetime. The playbook is derived directly from a select few tools of division that only a tiny minority seem to have studied. It's utterly flabbergasting in fact.

Those of us paying attention should be very troubled, but like John Roberts basically said, express your concerns at the ballot box (and then keep your fingers crossed). Sadly, we do have a serious constitutional crisis, but to believe it only started with the current administration would be incorrect. The constitution has been consistently undermined for a long long time now by both parties. Both have widely expanded the power of federal government and left the people with the bill. If this new debacle isn't significantly undermined before it's implemented fully, the legacy of this administration will undoubtedly be on the wrong side of history. A call to arms although almost certainly futile if taken literally is indeed justifiably symbolic, but not necessarily solely because of the biggest 'hidden' tax increase on the average American in all of it's history. These are indeed troubling times. Sometimes this is what it takes to awaken a critical mass of individuals. Let's all hope that after the misleading emotions from both camps subside we are left with a more educated populace, and win this 'war' without firing a shot.
Posted By Gigi72 Gigi72 | 11 months ago
Oh, wow, the usual lies and psych game played by republicans, particularly, racist republicans, even more particularly by southern racists/republicans.

Dumb ass. For Nicholson to even call for people to take up arms against the United States government, is treason in itself, so looks like the only one committing treason is Nicholson.

This is really all racist republicans and racist southern politicians want anyway, for America to come to be in such turmoil politically that it weakens America long enough for racist psychos like Nicholson to be able to take over and turn the whole damn country into one big cotton plantation system of government, where the 1% are the masters and the 98% are the slaves.
Posted By CommonSensePatriot CommonSensePatriot | 11 months ago
These comments for the most part are just one more bit of proof that the citizens of this nation have lost their ability to pull together and cooperate peacefully to govern our nation through responsible citizen participation. It is radicalism at its extreme and that kind of radical extremism is not any different than the Nazi's in Germany nor the Communists in Russia. Once they gain power, the are cruel masters, justifying anything they want to do in the name of the so-called "good" they are doing. In truth, they are primarily serving themselves and forcing their ideas on others so they can benefit and have their way, with no regard for the true meaning of freedom or true respect for the Constitution of the United States - a document which I believe was divinely inspirted and given us by God through the founders of our nation. Was it perfect? No. Is it perfect today? No. There are flaws and their are practices/laws that need Constitutional remedies, but the Constitution itself gives us the power to do it. But the Constitution will never mean anything unless we all are willing to support it's fundamental bais -- rule by the majority and peaceful opposition that follows the rule of law. The kind of talk I see on this page is evil, plain and simple. If you don't believe in God, then just think of it as being plain wrong and stupid. It's mean-hearted and the very kind of division that existed prior to the American Civil War in which a huge portion of the population died and massive amounts of property and lives were destroyed. Hatred filled everyone's hearts and that never leads to anything except the destruction of everything that is good. I am not in support of "Obamacare" either, but I'm not willing to take up a gun and go shoot people to get what I think needs to be done. I am willing to get off my duff and go participate in the political system in the party of my choice and try to persuade, peacefully, my neigbors and fellow citizens to accept my views and help me change things for the better. Anyone who advocates armed rebellion is asking for another massive civil war, only this time, we have a world full of enemies to take advantage of it, and we will only succeed in destroying ourselves and our country.
Posted By b-rad b-rad | 11 months ago
We are basically in a war. The federal government is already at war against it's citizens. I will be flying my flag upside down tomorrow in protest of this treachorous government. I guess if they don't like it they can kill me or send me to prison on some false charges ,just like they've been doing to many of my fellow patriots.
Posted By TreyMcNabb TreyMcNabb | 11 months ago
Yes, the far right has responded with anger and vitriol to the surprise ruling of the Supreme Court. And if the court had went the other way, then the radical left would be doing the same. We are a divided country as evidenced by the reaction to the Supreme Court's ruling. And don't forget, it is an election year, so expect more divisiveness, not less.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
Please give me examples of extremism on the left.
Reply By TreyMcNabb TreyMcNabb | 11 months ago
Occupy Wall Street and its violent fringes which have become more common. Every time there is summit of the world's economic leaders or the World Bank or IMF, leftists go on a rampage and smash things. Anarchism is alive and well on the left. Dan Savage's rant against the Bible is kind of extreme. It is also counterproductive at a time when progressive (politically) minded Christians like myself are trying to pave the way for greater acceptance for gays and lesbians in the church and in society. Aimee, you are a very passionate liberal, which is a good thing. However, like many individuals with passion for a particular side, you appear to only see the other side's extremism, ignoring or being blind to that of your own side.
Reply By VoiceforHope Amee Ellsworth | 11 months ago
I posted an article on the extremists on the left as well.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12517080-polarization-in-the-united-states-worsens-following-supreme-court-decision-on-health-care-reform-extreme-responses-from-liberals-raise-concerns
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