Occupy Wall St. May Day demonstrations: The Green Party challenges the Democrats

Thank you for this report. You have great details I appreciate it. Rated up and shared!

Thanks Amee for reading and commenting.

It's a lot to think about.

Great job on the report Dava.

Thank you for reading and commenting bram.

I was completely enamored of the $20/hr minimum wage suggested by the Democratic Underground! We constantly hear from the right about putting money back into the pocket books of the people, and this the best way to do it!

Nothing in the democratic underground program about stopping drone strikes or covert actions by special forces. What is a holostic plan?

Dreamers! Occupied members busted for DOMESTIC TERRORISM trying to blow up a bridge to murder American citizens!
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THE BLOODLUST OF THE LEFT

Great question North!

Department of Commerce promotes job creation, economic growth, sustainable development, and improved living standards for all Americans, by working in partnership with business, universities, communities, and workers to:

1. Build for the future and promote U.S. competitiveness in the global
marketplace, by strengthening and safeguarding the nation’s economic
infrastructure;
2. Keep America competitive with cutting-edge science and technology and an unrivaled information base; and,
3. Provide effective management and stewardship of our nation’s resources

"Holistic" suggests integrated systems, so I would propose that while the mission of commerce states "partnerships," progressives want to encourage businesses to integrate within in the U.S. as much as possible, instead of taking business overseas. "Holistic" could also suggest taking care of yourself, and business should be "taking care" of Americans by providing jobs here.

If you believe that Department of Commerce promotes jobs or pay equality, then I feel sorry for you.

It is an agency that deals with corporate deals. In other words, it passes taxpayers money to favorite corporations in governmental contracts. Often with no open bids, or no bid at all.

Like Chertoff's 95 million dealt with airport security, or the 485 million per piece of Raptors that the Air Force pilots refuse to fly because among its many problems is the failure to deliver oxygen to the pilot during flight.

Wages and labor conditions are the provenance of the Labor Department, which abandoned the working Americans when Robert Reich left it.

Stockton, CA interim fire chief, a double dipper formerly city manager of Orange County, is getting $199 an hour in his wages.

He wouldn't even sneeze at $20 bucks an hour.

He also keeps his pension, of course.

As long as the coverage in major papers focuses on the riots in LA, 10 years old, and the damage done to few shops by probably paid provocateurs, and omits all the general strike calls and all the labor equality calls because it talks about immigration being the force behind May 1, 2012 demonstrations, nothing will change.

No one, except those who already participate, even knows or cares.

Indeed, no one actually suggests that we need to invest into jobs for working Americans, real jobs, not temporary servitude. Cuts run through the political climate.

If you believe that Department of Commerce promotes jobs or pay equality, then I feel sorry for you.

It is an agency that deals with corporate deals. In other words, it passes taxpayers money to favorite corporations in governmental contracts. Often with no open bids, or no bid at all.

Like Chertoff's 95 million dealt with airport security, or the 485 million per piece of Raptors that the Air Force pilots refuse to fly because among its many problems is the failure to deliver oxygen to the pilot during flight.

Wages and labor conditions are the provenance of the Labor Department, which abandoned the working Americans when Robert Reich left it.

Stockton, CA interim fire chief, a double dipper formerly city manager of Orange County, is getting $199 an hour in his wages.

He wouldn't even sneeze at $20 bucks an hour.

He also keeps his pension, of course.

As long as the coverage in major papers focuses on the riots in LA, 10 years old, and the damage done to few shops by probably paid provocateurs, and omits all the general strike calls and all the labor equality calls because it talks about immigration being the force behind May 1, 2012 demonstrations, nothing will change.

No one, except those who already participate, even knows or cares.

Indeed, no one actually suggests that we need to invest into jobs for working Americans, real jobs, not temporary servitude. Cuts run through the political climate.

Both traditional political parties seem unable to extract themselves from the current systemic problems. Guess we must look to alternatives.

Yeah, but the conservatives , or the rich, neat us to it by NO Labels Party, for the rich- by the rich only, party regardless of former political membership.

SEE COMMENT ON OCCUPIED TERRORISM ARRESTS TODAY

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12062877-domestinc-terrorism-occupy-wall-street-organizers-planned-to-blow-up-a-bridge

well written - thank you

informative political report . rated up

Reprinting the idiotic platform of the Democratic Underground is simply nothing more than propaganda from an unthinking author. It is plagarism without any additional or useful explanation to put matters into context. And those who approve of it, you dear reader, are as ignorant of the facts as the writer of them. In other words, you have just added to your vast body of knowledge - strike that - ignorance.

Good work!

The amount of ignorance I find @ AllVoices is staggering. One cannot even begin to address the nonsense of the article above. The reasons are easy when the technique is to:

Take an illogical premise logically to its illogical conclusion.

That is exactly the World View of the Left-Liberal community. All based in myths.

We were in Iraq because of WMDs we knew were there.

All of the leftie world views are grown out of narratives to prove what is not so. The left-liberal narratives are based on myths upon which are built self-deceiving, self-assuring narratives, one upon another alike the skin of an onion, to build a world view that is acceptable and comfortable to the left mindset. Narratives easy to explain and digest for small minds. Minds that don't bother with doing their homework...because it is work, a four letter word.

There were no WMDs according to this narrative, at least not the Saddam-era yellowcake (uranium precursor) that Bush Lied about in his State of the Union message.

You know, the lie that took American into an Unjust War in the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time. After all, 9-11 never happened and Saddam never supported terrorists, never invaded Kuwait, never broke the sanctions and no fly zones, and never hurt a single human being. And he offered to send us the tons of his uranium precursor. Didn't he?

And the war happened because BUSH LIED, there really was no yellowcake WMD that Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame wrote about in The New York Times. After all, if it's in The New York Times, MSNBC, BBC or al Jazeera, it has to be true and everyone else is lying, right? And the Valerie Plame film is all the truth and nothing but the truth, right?

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2008/07/06/cameco-scoops-550t-of-yellowcake-in-secret-deal

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/index.html

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake.htm

Above is the non-existing Irai WMD that is heating and lighting North American homes today.

America is not having problems because of the wars in Arabia. It is having problems because of...Arabia. We are in Arabia because of security agreements we had since Truman. We are in Arabia because Reagan rightly sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia in the eighties.

To counter Iran. How many of you knew that?

We are in Arabia because Jimmy Carter sat on his butt for 444 days while American hostages were held in captivity by the first ISLAMOFASCIST terrorist-enabling state, Iran. Jimmy also thought that Iran was not a problem. And Reagan won 49 out of 50 states in 1979, looked the Mullahs in the camera's eye and said: LET MY PEOPLE GO! And they did.

Obama is Carter II. Weak, indecisive, cowardly.

THESE VIDEOS ARE WHAT AMERICANS NEED TO SEE TO THEIR INEVITABLE - AND LOGICAL - CONCLUSION. And Abel Fatah Hussein, after my long visit to Egypt recently, thanks for reminding me of it. By the way Fatah, how many Egyptians were injured today in riots? 300? Maybe Egyptians could teach us something?


More importantly:

http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/


LASTLY, America is having problems because the bloviators on AllVoices and elsewhere don't understand this - and actually, don't understand anything:

QUOTES FOR THE DAY

"Some years ago, I escaped from the shipwreck of the Soviet "worker's paradise" and moved to the United States, making a conscious choice between the forced inequality of socialism and the volunteer material inequality of capitalism. I didn't expect to be rich; I only wanted an opportunity to earn an honest income without sacrificing my dignity. I wanted the freedom to pursue my own choices and aspirations, not the ones prescribed by the state. I wanted to live in a country where my success or failure would depend on my own honest effort, not on the whim of a bureaucrat. I wanted my relations with people to be based on voluntary agreements, not mandatory requirements. And finally, I wanted my earnings to be protected by law from wanton expropriation."

"If some people had wings and others didn't, and the government wanted to enforce "fairness," soon no one would have wings. Because wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. Likewise, a government edict cannot make people smarter or more capable, but it can impede the growth of those with the potential. Wouldn't it be fair if, in the name of equality, we scar the beautiful, cripple the athletes, lobotomize the scientists, blind the artists, and sever the hands of the musicians? Why not?"

- former Soviet dissident Oleg Atbashian, CEO of http://thepeoplescube.com/

and this....

"Take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America." - (Col. Rep. Allen West

You cannot address our argument because it is fact based.

Bush, Rowe and company are currently being sued by International Court for war crimes. There were no weapons of mass destruction Iraq, there is oil.

The cost to US is 1,3 trillion and tens of thousands of dead and maimed.

The government exist to protect all people , give them equal rights and as much as possible equal opportunity.
Our does none of the above.

it exist solely to tax the working people and pass the money to the 1% of clique that runs the country under the disguise of government contract.

All socialism, or the left does, is work with empirical facts to make life easier for all.

All what you and your kind does,is to lie, steal, cheat and kill for your own profit.

Stick your false quotes where no one can see them You have never met a Soviet dissident, I did. They are on the streets marching against American like capitalism that keep all resources and money into tiny group that strangles the rest.

Go, screaming to Politico, they are not bothered by facts, either.

You make me sick- stupidity has that effect on me.

This is what US is: in 1620, years before the Native American were killed, a bunch of rich, titled men got together in Virginia and formed a society of Golden Shoe. The members divided the land that was still fully in ownership of Native Americans , among themselves and instituted an operation by which share croppers and renters in Scotland and Ireland were run out of their land by rent hikes. They were forced into immigration by hunger and false promises of land ownership.
Golden Shoe members paid nothing for the land. The tiny fee of registration came due when the land was arable.

The land was made arable by others. Some were so absent that they never saw their lands at all.

When they got here, they found that they had to go into dent to farm, or into debt and fights with Native Americans to get land. When the land was operational, the debts were called in and they lost the land. They were pushed further up to fight yet more Native Americans to survive.

That is the real history behind the "progress"in America.

There never was any "freedom" or "opportunity" for the folks not born to riches. Just killers and thieves, mostly in suits running a Ponzi scheme.

And we want to live in better society that that.

You cannot address our argument because it is fact based.

Bush, Rowe and company are currently being sued by International Court for war crimes. There were no weapons of mass destruction Iraq, there is oil.

The cost to US is 1,3 trillion and tens of thousands of dead and maimed.

The government exist to protect all people , give them equal rights and as much as possible equal opportunity.
Our does none of the above.

it exist solely to tax the working people and pass the money to the 1% of clique that runs the country under the disguise of government contract.

All socialism, or the left does, is work with empirical facts to make life easier for all.

All what you and your kind does,is to lie, steal, cheat and kill for your own profit.

Stick your false quotes where no one can see them You have never met a Soviet dissident, I did. They are on the streets marching against American like capitalism that keep all resources and money into tiny group that strangles the rest.

Go, screaming to Politico, they are not bothered by facts, either.

You make me sick- stupidity has that effect on me.

This is what US is: in 1620, years before the Native American were killed, a bunch of rich, titled men got together in Virginia and formed a society of Golden Shoe. The members divided the land that was still fully in ownership of Native Americans , among themselves and instituted an operation by which share croppers and renters in Scotland and Ireland were run out of their land by rent hikes. They were forced into immigration by hunger and false promises of land ownership.
Golden Shoe members paid nothing for the land. The tiny fee of registration came due when the land was arable.

The land was made arable by others. Some were so absent that they never saw their lands at all.

When they got here, they found that they had to go into dent to farm, or into debt and fights with Native Americans to get land. When the land was operational, the debts were called in and they lost the land. They were pushed further up to fight yet more Native Americans to survive.

That is the real history behind the "progress"in America.

And we want to live in better society that that.

@mackie

I have no idea to whom you addressed your vast body of knowledge, er, I meant, ignorance. But I'll answer it.

Socialism failed everywhere it was tried. It is failing across Europe right now.

It's name is Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy and France. Or don't you read the news?

It is failing in America. OWS is Communism Reborn. Nothing more, nothing less.

Read all about it here:
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As for your comment "You cannot address our argument because it is fact based." What fact Mackie? You had presented not a single one that refutes what I had posited here and above? Are you suggesting the the yellowcake was not delivered in a secret operation from Iraq to Cameco in Canada? And if it was, than the conclusion is that I am correct and you are not. You're just blowing wind out of your nether regions.

AS I say Mackie, everything is so unless it isn't. So far you had presented no facts, only opinion. As opposed to my earlier postings which presented facts and the documentation to back them up.

You want to know something Mackie? Let me quote Rep. Allen West for what I would have said, should have said to you and other Occupied idiots:

"Take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America."

Col .West is a United States Congressman. A man, in other words, who is a man.

Let me quote the words of Oleg Atbashian, an escapee from the Soviet Socialist Paradise - as is this writer:

"Some years ago, I escaped from the shipwreck of the Soviet "worker's paradise" and moved to the United States, making a conscious choice between the forced inequality of socialism and the volunteer material inequality of capitalism. I didn't expect to be rich; I only wanted an opportunity to earn an honest income without sacrificing my dignity. I wanted the freedom to pursue my own choices and aspirations, not the ones prescribed by the state. I wanted to live in a country where my success or failure would depend on my own honest effort, not on the whim of a bureaucrat. I wanted my relations with people to be based on voluntary agreements, not mandatory requirements. And finally, I wanted my earnings to be protected by law from wanton expropriation."

"If some people had wings and others didn't, and the government wanted to enforce "fairness," soon no one would have wings. Because wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. Likewise, a government edict cannot make people smarter or more capable, but it can impede the growth of those with the potential. Wouldn't it be fair if, in the name of equality, we scar the beautiful, cripple the athletes, lobotomize the scientists, blind the artists, and sever the hands of the musicians? Why not?"

And you say I have never met a Soviet dissident Mackie? How would you know that? You reached into your vast reserves of ignorance Mackey? Do you know who Yevgeny Yevtushenko is? I bet not without first looking him up on GOOGLE.

There is not a single Soviet dissident on this planet who would go back to socialism or the Soviets, not me, not Oleg, not Yevgeny, no one!

You and yours on OWS are full of it Mackie, just having made the statement above.

For one, Iraqi WMD has been heating American homes since 2008 and the proof is above in my earlier posting. I didn't make it up. Perhaps Resource Investor, CNN and others lied? Sorry Mackie, you have a serious emotional problem. Winston Churchill, whose bust Obama returned to the Queen said:

"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results."

Socialism has a long and sad history we call RESULTS.

False quote Mackey? You have not been able to answer a single one of mine, other than attacking my person. Your problem Mackey is simple.

It's called The FORWARDISM Disease that much of America has:- and let me quote Dan Greenfield about it so the other readers too, can get a clue, for you have not a single one:

The Obama slogan for 2012 is in and it's "Forward", which is a compact version of that old classic, "Don't change horses in the middle of a stream" that every incumbent is forced to run on sooner or later. Forward implies that there's no alternative but to go backward, which is a place that no right-thinking person wants to go.

The left has always been enamored of "Forwardism" or "Progressivism" which mean much the same thing. Before MSNBC had Lean Forward, Mao had the Great Leap Forward which killed some 40 million people, far more people than MSNBC can ever dream of tuning in to their programs.

When Lenin wanted to launch his own newspaper, he called it, "Vperod" or Forward. The name still lingers on among the left and appears on the mastheads of newspapers across the world. It's Vorwarts in Germany, Voorwarts in the Netherlands and Ila al-Amam in the Arab world. Back in New York it's The Forward, the venerable blotting paper of the Jewish left.

There are any number of left-wing political parties who have already named themselves "Forward", including the Forward Communist Party of India, Kadima, the left-wing opposition party in Israel, and Vperod, a Russian political party that split off from the Socialist Resistance on account of the latter not being radical enough.

Picking "Forward" as his campaign slogan puts Obama in good company with the likes of Lenin and Mao, and it sounds positive until you stop and realize that it's meant more as an order than a suggestion. There's a reason most leftist newspapers with that name add an exclamation mark at the end of it. It's not a proposal, it's a command. Lean forward, march forward, live forward and then die forward. We've burned the bridges, run up the deficit and trashed the economy so there's no going back.

An old Soviet era joke told the story of the wife of a Communist leader who upon hearing that her husband had developed a progressive paralysis, clapped her hands and exclaimed that at least it was progressive.

When Adlai Stevenson, dean of the liberal eggheads, ran in 1952, the campaign buttons read, "Forward with Stevenson". The country chose to go backward instead with Eisenhower winning by a landslide.

Tony Blair ran for his third term under the slogan, "Britain, forward, not back", which despite its clumsiness did conclusively explain that"Forward" as a campaign slogan means there's no going back. However Blair forgot to tell voters that this referred to his immigration policy which helped create Broken Britain.

In this forward-thinking Britain, the police are being trained to look for signs of sorcery among immigrants after children have been murdered on suspicion that they might be witches. The last woman to be executed on witchcraft charges in the area was back in 1727, but now the UK is back in the witch hunting business or the hunting witchhunters business as the case may be. That's not to mention the Islamic female genital mutilation business, which is also booming as part of Britain's forward march into the 7th century.

Had Blair been a touch more honest, the slogan would have been, "Britain, so forward, it's backward." Much like having a mind so open your brains fall out, that is one of the dangers of being so forward, going so far ahead you end up in the middle of the Arabian desert praising absolute monarchies and slave states like Qatar as beacons of freedom and democracy, while your police hunt witchhunters and the mutilators of little girls.

In Australia, Julia Gillard rolled out "Moving Forward", explaining that the slogan fit because Australians are an optimistic forward-looking people. Which they had to be as their country had suffered the worst economic decline in twenty years.

Romney might ask you if you are better off now than you were four years ago, but Obama will tell you to forget the past and look forward to the eternal future that is always peeking over the horizon. The mirage of the progressive world of tomorrow which we can reach over a pile of dead senior citizens, energy saving lightbulbs and multicultural coloring books.

The very use of "Forward" as a slogan summons up a century's worth of socialist ghosts that they are blind to. But recognizing that would require looking backward, which forward thinking people do not do.

Forwardistan is not some enigmatic place, it's Lenin's Russia, Mao's China, O'Malley's Maryland and Obama's America. It's what happens when you drive leaning forward, because maps and rear view mirrors are for backward thinking people who lack the courage to take the great leap of faith forward into the economic dead zone of uncontrolled spending and crude control of the economy.

Progressives do not like looking backward in the rearview mirror, there's too many things there that they would rather not see, like the Great Leap Forward, the Gulags, the ghosts of Five Year Plans and a thousand failed ideologies and dead philosophies taunting them. Forwardism frees them from having to contemplate the unemployment figures or the deficit, there is no past, only the eternal future. Forget your troubles and groove to a new hopeful slogan that promises a better world tomorrow for a hamburger today....."

So Mackey, how many false quotes had I made this time?

You know what is a leap of faith and courage? A poor kid taking student loans and getting advanced degree to be able to work in his/her profession.

That's the kind of courage that no Romney ever had. that's taking risks to create.

Sitting on you but in Daddy' pre-paid position and yelping is pathetic- fit to use Facebook as "education".

I am stating that you are a fool.which is kinder than ignoramus (look that up).
Yellow cake? You must be living on a different planet?
France failed? On what? selling pout to US? yeah, Sarkozy failed at that. The French are very reasonable people.They make mistake but they correct them.Nicolas was a mistake, he was corrected out.

News? Here? Where? In the Nework Times where the journalists have no contract for over a year? In the tunneled LA Times? Sold out The Globe? You must be watching Fox- that's not news, that's coprorate propaganda.

I lived in France, I speak the language and read the Le Monde. I also have friends there. And in Germany ,Poland, Britain, Czech republic and Holland. Media, politicians, bankers...

Their countries did not failed. They have no people dying of curable diseases, or unable to go to college because of money.

There is no belief in witches in Britain, not even Cameron has that label,and you have obviously never been to Britain, and Australia, you ignorant, had two wast earthquakes and flooding that decimated the food supply.

Forward is actually French Revolution slogan.As of 1792. That revolution that supported the US against the British king.

Lenin was not only dead before Mao came around, he also had nothing to do with philosophy, he was a politician who died before he could act on his politics. Stalin, who did act out his, used him as icon. Like the Catholic church uses Mary. The dead make for safe icons.

Progressives learn from the past, and the past in the hands of Morgans&company, yeah Morgans were around for a bit, is horrible.

This is what it was:60% of poverty, 14 hours work day, no civil rights, no right to vote, no health care, no education for the poor, no justice unless you paid - bribe the police to even investigate. Prostitution, crime, disease, tenements and early death.
And Romneys abundant. Carnegie, when he got old, suffered nightmares; he tortured number of people who were trying to organize union so that mining and iron works would at least pay for living rather than dying in poverty. Carnegie paid to have them tortured and killed.The auto industry and the Minnesota factories, the same story in the 20.
I don't Like Bark Obama because he is weak and gives in. But Romney is slimer who tunneled out companies, took people's jobs and did it on borrowed dime.

There is not one thing he created, just destruction in his path. He is selfish, lying, self obsessed, economically ignorant and a profiteer. We had 8 years of that and ended up in Depression.

Yeah, spending, we need to tax the rich to build up the infrastructure they use the most and create job sin a meantime.
We need to cut all public employees pay by half, pensions included, install profiteering tax and use the money to create jobs in education, health, engineering, roads, affordable housing,all kinds of industry that is slowly dying or being exported because the Romneys, Gingriches and Bushes never have enough.

Long way from communism, the USSR was not a communist country but a totalitarian in politics and socialistic in economy, while Israel is close to communism in economy and democratic in politics next to very capitalist Saudi Arabia with totalitarian regime so backward that it whipped women for going outside their homes without a male relative and forbids them driving cars.

That's the problem: democracy does not depend on the type of economy you live in.

The whole world, except you,noticed about 60 years ago.

Apropos: The following is called EVIDENCE.

Today's news. The reality of socialism for those predisposed with arguing with reality or for proposing that the United States, or any other nation on Earth, ought to be going that way...

And if the nations, including America, are unwilling to face the pain now, they will face the unavoidable - much greater pain in the future.

The mathematical formula is this: YOU CAN'T SPEND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. You could HOPE 4 CHANGE - or a Fairy Tale for children out of Aesop's Fables. Or grow up!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/07/world/europe/greece-election/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Occupied Movement is Communism Reborn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlTwTZ19ZhE&feature=youtu.be

Recommended listening to OWS members. How is wealth created?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOMksnSaAJ4&feature=related

Look up Facebook Uncommon Knowledge

Darn it, Occupy Movement is Communism reborn- it's just like being given Congressional Medal of Honor for Valor in battle for human fate.

How was wealth created? What wealth? A simple house and living? Obscene spending by creature like Romney?

economy is really quite simple, think of a bag of $100 dollars tthat needs to be divided among 100 people. In working societies, $60 bucks goes to 60%, the top 20 tend to eat somehwere betweeen $15-$20 busks, leaving the rest to the bottom 20%.

In USA the 1% eats 50% of the buck, the next 15% as much as 35% and the rest goes to 84%.

Else than that, all and everyone participates in creating"wealth", working. We'd all die of communicable diseases if there were no cleaners and garbage men.

The least needed people are the most overpaid ones: bankers, "administrators", "directors","financiers". attorneys, media "stars" and politicians.

Behind each of them is number of hard working people who actually create the work he/she claims is theirs.

Most people realize this some time in the college. Apparently some never do. Well, brain transplant is still not possible.

The day I would consider Facebook, the tools of private data gathering by those who look at the users as pathetic fools willing to do anything to get laid, to be source of "knowledge", I'd give up on living.

There is a difference between facts and manipulation.

I don't know how to answer your emotional outbursts and anger. "A simple house and a living" for example? What does that refer to? It can be some sort of wealth or it may not be. As for your comment about Romney whom you call a "creature" for reasons of your own; whom I call an astute and successful businessman with a loving family who gives away ten percent of his income every year and who gave away his father's entire estate, I ask this: What have you given away, what have YOU done for your fellow men? If Romney is a "creature," what are your friends and family?

I have tested this you see. I write for a number of journals and a few years ago I had asked my liberal and leftist friends to let me know exactly what they have given to society and to charity. I told them I'll open my books for the last decade if they're willing to open theirs. Guess what? Not a single one took me up on the challenge. They all have opinions. Did you compare Obama's and Biden's charitable giving to Bush's and Cheney's? Maybe you ought to look into it.

You know what? An opinion and $2.50 will get you a one way ride on the New York City subway system.

Let me put it another way Mackie: Am I supposed to worry about how Romney spends his money and not worry about how Obama spends mine?

Let me put it a third way: Does society owe you a house, an education, a job, a nice car, a good looking girl? If yes, why?

Can you provide the exact provision in the U.S. Constitution that authorize government to provide you rights not specifically enumerated?

Since when do I, as a member of that society, owe you anything? Why should I subsidize your lifestyle and welfare at the diminishing of my own?

Why should I provide your kids with a good education, taking money away from providing mine with a better education? Why should I provide you with a Toyota and have to downgrade from my Ferrari to a mere Maseratti?

As for your economic analysis, we are not in kindergarten. A hundred dollar bill need not be divided between 100 people in working societies, especially when 100 million Americans are not working; when 49.5% of Americans don't pay taxes.

You mean Mackie, I hear you, the rich should pay their FAIR SHARE. And your FAIR SHARE too?

Let me ask this, what should be the FAIR SHARE of those who pay nothing?

The $100 works this way Mackie. It becomes $200, then $300, then $3 million because it doesn't need to be split at all. The pie is not limited. Your consciousness is.

The fellow with the larger amount has money to invest. For example, he starts APPLE with his money and then ask other investors for more money to develop APPLE into something larger and better. And then he employs lots of other people who develop 500,000 apps for the iPhone and iPad and more people jump on the bandwagon making cases for the iPhones and wires, others make batteries and chargers and more people get in the game and the game becomes larger and they all make dollars from which they pay the FAIR SHARE of half of this nation who pay nothing at all, like yourself who DEMAND MORE of other's FAIR SHARE be paid them for their mere existence.

In other words, the productive 50.5% are asked by the unproductive to provide WEALTH to them for their mere existence. I am, therefore you owe me.

As for your suggestion that all should work and provide wealth to all, we've been there and done that. If you remember the Soviet Empire, everyone had a job, everyone worked.

The reality is that everyone pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them.

In other words the reality is that everyone was poor and everyone shared an apartment built in 1890 with everyone else. It was lovely. I was there.

As for your statistics about who eats or not, I cannot make heads or tails of them, your not having provided a source.

As for your comment: "The least needed people are the most overpaid ones" probably shows an immense ignorance or resentment of the successful. Socrates advised: KNOW THYSELF.

Any hint there?

Perhaps the janitor at the bank, instead of the managers, should be consulted about international finance, derivatives trading, hedging the oil supply of an airline, or how to fund a new business venture like FACEBOOK, or how to finance the building loan of a skyscraper. After all, the janitor, having washed the latrines throughout the skyscraper, knows everything about financing real estate.

As for over paying "the least deserving" like "stars?" I mean, why bother paying millions to Leonardo DiCaprio when your local high school senior can act just as convincingly to make the viewer believe he's watching Howard Hughes, right?

Attorneys, who needs them? After all, when your buddy gets shackled for smoking dope and needs to be bailed out, just get your mom to go in front of the judge and cite case and date precedent to get your buddy out on bail.

Ice cream vendors would probably write law better than the lawyers in the legislatures across this nation, so here I agree with you. The Mexican who mows my lawn and the only English he speaks is "Si Senyor" could probably write better law.

Of course, if you're steeped in Marxism, your professor has done a great job indoctrinating you. No, the workers don't create wealth AND NEVER HAVE. Nor should the workers be a partner or a party to the enterprise.

The worker gets paid for his time or production. He is a leased machine. He has no skin in the game. He didn't finance the business, he didn't sweat through 20 hour workdays worrying about how to meet payroll and government regulations. He didn't invest in the business. He didn't operate the business. He operated a machine or shuffled papers.

The fellow who provided the conditions for the worker to produce, have a job, feed his family, get medical insurance, are the ones who create wealth.

Thinking about that, one fellow pops into my mind. You might have heard of him, the creature you call Mitt Romney! Mitt Romney has employed tens of thousands of people. Paid them, they bought houses, sent their kids to college, and paid for their funerals. Mitt Romney produced wealth not only for himself, but for thousands of others.

And Mitt Romney has GiVEN AWAY more wealth than all of your friends, associates, college professors and family combined.

Now about that comment "Most people realize this some time in the college" is precisely why most college kids are ignorant and out of work. What they realize is that society owes them something and they owe society nothing.

I do agree with you about Facebook however.

No, it does not. The earth does not expand. Transfer is within existing means.
Killing the natives is no longer an option, so that's it.

Romney had taken jobs from tens of thousands of people, he provided none. Romney, and people like you, have no skin in the business. He borrowed the money he used to destroy those working companies whom he billed for the destruction. The economy tanked.

If you are stupid enough to think that any company can ever exist without workers, then you are truly brainless.

I am thinking of the lauded Job. He took enigma, a British government developed computer and our government developed web, combined with free code, HTML was donated to web by its inventor, and set out to sell it. It was not knew or original.
The marketing and contacts were.

Then, to make more money, he started yearly "update". They are so small, so inconsequential that no one wanted to buy a new computer or program every year.
So, Job made sure the old and new programs did not read each other. Microsoft doesn't read Apple or so on. Business have huge burden of 'updating" just to communicate with new customers who cannot open old files and vice versa.

Net is so bugged that everyone spends millions trying not to be hacked.

none of it is original . the best skills are among the hackers.

And none of it is possible without workers.
job risked nothing, he had paid for education, daddy had the contacts and his professor had the money. If all that did not work, Job had a place in government paid job. No risk at all. Just marketing and backdoor deals. Like the one when the customer overpays for books.

your spite to working people speak also a lot about you, you are self obsessed with limited intelligence an understanding. You produce nothing. You use others. In short, you are stupid as..

I am done. Stupidity is thick and no one can win with it. I am not sorry for you. you are loser and lose you will.

The most overpaid people peddle drugs and arms. The fact that you admire them speaks a lot of you.

I did not admire any of the political science professor, they had no idea about politics.

I do. I did them. Sometimes, I still do. In your book, my name is in a dictionary, you people call that success.

No, it does not. The earth does not expand. Transfer is within existing means.
Killing the natives is no longer an option, so that's it.

Romney had taken jobs from tens of thousands of people, he provided none. Romney, and people like you, have no skin in the business. He borrowed the money he used to destroy those working companies whom he billed for the destruction. The economy tanked.

If you are stupid enough to think that any company can ever exist without workers, then you are truly brainless.

I am thinking of the lauded Job. He took enigma, a British government developed computer and our government developed web, combined with free code, HTML was donated to web by its inventor, and set out to sell it. It was not knew or original.
The marketing and contacts were.

Then, to make more money, he started yearly "update". They are so small, so inconsequential that no one wanted to buy a new computer or program every year.
So, Job made sure the old and new programs did not read each other. Microsoft doesn't read Apple or so on. Business have huge burden of 'updating" just to communicate with new customers who cannot open old files and vice versa.

Net is so bugged that everyone spends millions trying not to be hacked.

none of it is original . the best skills are among the hackers.

And none of it is possible without workers.
job risked nothing, he had paid for education, daddy had the contacts and his professor had the money. If all that did not work, Job had a place in government paid job. No risk at all. Just marketing and backdoor deals. Like the one when the customer overpays for books.

your spite to working people speak also a lot about you, you are self obsessed with limited intelligence an understanding. You produce nothing. You use others. In short, you are stupid as..

I am done. Stupidity is thick and no one can win with it. I am not sorry for you. you are loser and lose you will.

The most overpaid people peddle drugs and arms. The fact that you admire them speaks a lot of you.

I did not admire any of the political science professor, they had no idea about politics.

I do. I did them. Sometimes I still do. In your book, my name is in a dictionary, you people call that success.

Darn it, Occupy Movement is Communism reborn- it's just like being given Congressional Medal of Honor for Valor in battle for human fate.

How was wealth created? What wealth? A simple house and living? Obscene spending by creature like Romney?

economy is really quite simple, think of a bag of $100 dollars tthat needs to be divided among 100 people. In working societies, $60 bucks goes to 60%, the top 20 tend to eat somehwere betweeen $15-$20 busks, leaving the rest to the bottom 20%.

In USA the 1% eats 50% of the buck, the next 15% as much as 35% and the rest goes to 84%.

Else than that, all and everyone participates in creating"wealth", working. We'd all die of communicable diseases if there were no cleaners and garbage men.

The least needed people are the most overpaid ones: bankers, "administrators", "directors","financiers". attorneys, media "stars" and politicians.

Behind each of them is number of hard working people who actually create the work he/she claims is theirs.

Most people realize this some time in the college. Apparently some never do. Well, brain transplant is still not possible.

Mackie, your incoherence is very special. Maybe there is someone, somewhere, who can understand you. I doubt anyone will agree with you.

Romney was a very effective businessman who created many more jobs than he "destroyed." Actually he didn't destroy any jobs. He let companies that didn't produce and make profits fold. That is capitalism. Meaning, to produce capital. If a company's cost of doing business (expense) is greater than the profits it returns to investors, it has no business staying in business and it can't...stay in business no matter how many workers lose their jobs.

If a company produces profits, it stays in business because the present value of future benefits is greater than the penalty of folding the business. Romney understands that, you don't, and that is why Romney is successful and you are not.

No CEO is "overpaid" who is worth his pay. Overpaid is your measure of something you don't understand. No worker is underpaid who is worth more than he is being paid. A worker is free to walk out of his job and the pay his boss is willing to pay him. The boss has the option of putting in a wanted ad to replace the worker at the price the boss is willing to pay for a worker's services. That is the free market.

Some "workers" are more valuable, are worth more, than other workers. That is the reality of the competitive marketplace. A worker cannot decide for himself what he is worth, what someone else should pay him.

It is up to the someone else who does the paying to decide what the worker's work is worth. That is the reality of life and the market.

A worker has no financial interest in the business unless he has invested into the business. The worker has no partnership interest in the business or the profits from the business unless he is a partner in, and has invested into the business. The worker's salary is ALL the worker is entitled to - and of course, reasonably decent working conditions according to standards set in law.

Therefore, if a business become more profitable, a worker's salary still has no reason to increase BECAUSE of higher profits. Remember, the worker has no financial interest in the business. The owners/stockholders, do. If the owners/stockholders get richer at a faster pace than worker's salaries rise, tough nuggies. One has nothing to do with the other.

Accordingly, to your comments about the top 1%, 5%, 20%, whatever, one has nothing to do with the other. In most cases, the top are there because they are smarter, luckier, had some advantages fair or unfair. Often they are where they are because they deserve to be there, like Romney certainly does, and Obama does not.

In other words, life ain't fair. Obama got a Nobel Prize for nothing. It is a first. That is fair, isn't it?

Mackie, your incoherence is very special. Maybe there is someone, somewhere, who can understand you. I doubt anyone will agree with you.

Romney was a very effective businessman who created many more jobs than he "destroyed." Actually he didn't destroy any jobs. He let companies that didn't produce and make profits fold. That is capitalism. Meaning, to produce capital. If a company's cost of doing business (expense) is greater than the profits it returns to investors, it has no business staying in business and it can't...stay in business no matter how many workers lose their jobs.

If a company produces profits, it stays in business because the present value of future benefits is greater than the penalty of folding the business. Romney understands that, you don't, and that is why Romney is successful and you are not.

No CEO is "overpaid" who is worth his pay. Overpaid is your measure of something you don't understand. No worker is underpaid who is worth more than he is being paid. A worker is free to walk out of his job and the pay his boss is willing to pay him. The boss has the option of putting in a wanted ad to replace the worker at the price the boss is willing to pay for a worker's services. That is the free market.

Some "workers" are more valuable, are worth more, than other workers. That is the reality of the competitive marketplace. A worker cannot decide for himself what he is worth, what someone else should pay him. The market decides what the worker is worth. If another employer is willing to pay more, the worker can move on to a new job.

It is up to the someone else who does the paying to decide what the worker's work is worth. That is the reality of life and the market.

A worker has no financial interest in the business unless he has invested into the business. The worker has no partnership interest in the business or the profits from the business unless he is a partner in, and has invested into the business. The worker's salary is ALL the worker is entitled to - and of course, reasonably decent working conditions according to standards set in law.

Therefore, if a business becomes more profitable, a worker's salary still has no reason to increase BECAUSE of higher profits. Remember, the worker has no financial interest in the business. The owners/stockholders, do. If the owners/stockholders get richer at a faster pace than worker's salary rises, tough nuggies. One has nothing to do with the other.

Accordingly, to your comments about the top 1%, 5%, 20%, whatever, one has nothing to do with the other. In most cases, the top are there because they are smarter, luckier, had some advantages fair or unfair or started out with more capital and resources at the starting gate. Often they are where they are because they deserve to be there, like Romney certainly does, and Obama does not.

In other words, life ain't fair. Obama got a Nobel Prize for nothing. It is a first. That is fair, isn't it?

To ALL who are supporters of the OCCUPIED movement, here's Tony Robbins in a center political comment that explains everything you need to know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jboTeS9Okak