Did Ted Nugent really dodge Vietnam-era draft through gross deception?
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Did Ted Nugent really dodge Vietnam-era draft through gross deception?

Washington : DC : USA | Apr 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM PDT
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File image of Ted Nugent playing his guitar during an interview before a concert at the House of Blues at the Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas

April 19, 2012

Say it ain’t so, Ted.

Just when it looked like the gonzo rocker was gaining the upper hand in the public percpetion battle over his “dead or in jail” comments regarding where he would be this time next year if President Obama is re-elected, a potentially image-changing interview from 1990 has resurfaced to cast an almost palpable stench over the Nuge’s tough guy image.

In an April 18 segment on “Young Turks,” anchor Cenk Uygur said that in a July 15, 1990, interview with the Detroit Free Press, Nugent claimed to have shunned personal hygiene and consumed junk food to avoid being drafted to fight in Vietnam.

According to Uygur, Nugent told the Free Press that he started going to the bathroom in his pants for several days before his draft board appointment so he would be rejected. He was.

It may be worth noting that Saddam Hussein had not yet ordered the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on July 15, 1990. Thus, Nugent was speaking the context of the post-Vietnam era of relative peace that began in the mid-1970s and lasted through the Ford, Carter and Reagan administrations before being shattered by the first Gulf War.

Unfortunately, a Punditty Project call to the Detroit Free Press revealed that the newspaper does not have and has never had a morgue, so the best way to find the original interview is to go to a library with microfiche or microfilm history of the Detroit Free Press and find exactly what Ted Nugent said in that particular interview. Punditty may do just that if this controversy continues to heat up, but one would like to think that a major news organization with more time and money would understand the relevance and importance of taking that step rather than relying on excerpts that may or may not be taken out of context.

Did Nugent really go to such fecal extremes, or was he just trying to be “gonzo” in his approach to media relations in that 1990 interview? Whatever the answer, the Nuge has some explaining to do. Not so much to the Secret Service for his hyperbolic but completely non-threatening anti-Obama remarks (although it looks like he will get his chance), but to his fans who think of him as a lifelong he-man when in fact he may have been the textbook example of a dirty, longhaired, draft-dodging, anti-American hippie, literally full of sh*t.

President Carter pardoned the draft-dodgers, something he absolutely had to do in order to promote national healing in the aftermath of a foreign policy failure. But you can be sure that most of those who fled the country or dodged the draft didn’t resort to literally "making a stink" to do so. Nugent’s problem is not so much that he avoided Vietnam – Bill Clinton did the same thing and was elected president twice – but the utterly disgusting steps he allegedly took to do so.

If the 1990 interview proves to contain other material that will show that Nugent is being over-the-top, then the "Motor City Madman" may emerged unscathed. But if the allegations are true, Nugent may well spend the rest of his life wiping up the mess his Vietnam-era conduct is causing in 2012.

UPDATE, 4:43 PDT - Secret Service agents and Ted Nugent met earlier today in Oklahoma. According to both the Secret Service and Nugent, the issue "has been resolved." See full report here.

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SOURCES AND RESOURCES:

Mike Huckabee defends Ted Nugent’s comments during radio interview with Nugent, mediaite.com, April 18, 2012

Cenk Uygur calls ‘coward’ Ted Nugent the weakest man in America, mediaite.com, April 19, 2012

Wannabe head-chopper Ted Nugent is actually ‘weakest man in America,’ Current.com, April 18, 2012

President Carter pardons draft dodgers, History.com (this day in history, Jan. 21)

Ted Nugent, draft dodger; Will Hannity keep defending him? News Hounds, Aug. 26, 2007

Ted Nugent: Call Him Chickenhawk, Rutland (Vt.) Herald, May 28, 2006

Additional sources and resources linked to in text.

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Posted By jimiham James A. Hamilton | about 1 year ago
Scortching, Punditty! You referenced Clinton, rightfully, but don't forget former "tough guy" veep Dick Cheney, using up 5 deferments, avoiding the Vietnam draft.
Reply By Punditty Punditty | about 1 year ago
Yeah, the Dick Cheney deferments are unbelievable. What was it that Cheney said, something about having "other priorities" or something like that?
Posted By ahol888 Adrian Holman | about 1 year ago
That's funny. He claims to be a patriot, but he dodged the Vietnam draft.
Reply By Punditty Punditty | about 1 year ago
Adrian,

I wanted to say, "Yeah, no sh--," and leave it at that, but the comment prompt wanted more words.
Posted By firesisle Hardy Wright | about 1 year ago
"In 2006, an interviewer from the British newspaper The Independent questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview in High Times magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam draft.[51] In the interview Nugent says, contrary to the story in High Times, that "I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College.". However, the Selective Service classification for student deferment is actually 2-S, and medical deferment is 1-Y. A copy of Nugent's Selective Service record shows that he had at separate times both a 1-Y medical deferment and 2-S student deferment"(From Wikipedia.)

He did what a lot of other kids did then. I know plenty who served, some who went to Canada, some who beat it other ways. I've always believed the draft was wrong; I feel it's involuntary servitude. I was in the first lottery, and got a really high, virtually bomb-proof number. If I'd been drafted, I'd have likely been rejected.

People act on their conscience; if what he did got him out of the draft, I have no problem with it, because, the draft has nothing to do with patriotism.
Reply By Aloysius Aloysius | about 1 year ago
Minor point: A high school deferment is a 1-S(H) and a higher education deferment is a 2-S, until 12/71 when it was discontinued, then a 1-S(C).
Everyone I have been acquainted with who was in the Vietnam UN "police action" or whatever it was who has said anything about it expressed their wish they had done whatever it took to keep out of it.
Draft registration is unconstitutional no matter what the Supreme Court says, for 2 reasons: 1) No power to conscript is granted to the federal government, therefore registration to facilitate an action that the government has no lawful power to undertake is unconstitutional; 2) the Anti-Slavery Amendment forbids slavery and involuntary servitude (except as punishment for crime duly convicted). Conscription is nothing but slavery. That troops are paid does not lessen the slavery and involuntariness of conscription a whit. Slaveowners commonly gave their slaves bonuses, and prisoners are commonly paid for work for the prison system.
The Executive can always conscript by having Congress suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln did that during the Civil War (1863). Habeas Corpus can be suspended constitutionally during periods of rebellion or invasion. It can be suspended selectively, which was the case during the latter part of the CW, or generally.
The Supreme Court early on usurped power not granted in Marbury v. Madison, when the Court determined that it had power to declare acts of Congress invalid due to unconstitutionality. It then extended this usurpation to cases arising in the states. Previously it was thought that a ruling of unconstitutionality applied only to the parties in a case before a court, as in England.
With the rulings concerning conscription the Supreme Court aided the Executive to usurp power not granted.
All one has to do to avoid military service as a soldier is to decline to take the oath. Running away is not necessary, nor is refusing to enlist. One might still be forced to do noncombatant work on pain of imprisonment or fines. Governments are not so dedicated to the rule of law during rebellions or invasions, which is understandable if not right.
Reply By longuecarabene longuecarabene | about 1 year ago
So hardy wright ... you were not drafted due to your 'bomb proof' deferment and yet you deem yourself qualified to make a left handed remark regarding those of us that did answer the call... You've never been outside the wire so what the hell would you know about patriotism... Nothing ... and neither does your draft dodging butt buddy ted nugent ... your both insideous hypocrits and make no mistake friendo ... ted nugent was and is a still a pathetic coward ... R. Martin 4th ID 68-69 Central Highlands, Vietnam/ 11 Bravo and Drafted US out of New York ...
Posted By Punditty Punditty | about 1 year ago
Hardy,

Thanks for commenting. No doubt Ted Nugent was not alone in his avoidance of the Vietnam draft. I for one feel that both the military personnel and those who did everything they could to avoid the draft were courageous, albeit to different degrees.

Nugent's PR problem may have more to do with bombast than ethical stances, however. I just hope Terrible Ted can wriggle out of this and keep on making rock and roll...we don't need Ted Nugent to end up as Obama's version of Tommy Chong.
Reply By firesisle Hardy Wright | about 1 year ago
I'm sure Ted will be just fine... he's a survivor... I completely agree wit your statements about those who served, and those whose conscience wouldn't allow it.
Posted By sudovar45 sudovar45 | about 1 year ago
I read that story when it first appeared in the Free Press in 1990. Nothing is being taken out of context, he did actually admit these things. There were a number of letters written to the editor that excoriated and mocked the would-be warrior Nugent. Paul McCartney even mentioned he'd read it when he came into Detroit awhile later.
Posted By Deepizzaguy George Vieto | about 1 year ago
Maybe Ted Nugent should have in the words of a Rod Stewart song "I Was Only Joking."
Posted By abdelfattah Abdel Fattah Hussein | about 1 year ago
well post rated up
Posted By vishaljayswal vishaljayswal | about 1 year ago
nice report keep it up
Posted By longuecarabene longuecarabene | about 1 year ago
So hardy wright ... you were not drafted due to your 'bomb proof' deferment and yet you deem yourself qualified to make a left handed remark regarding those of us that did answer the call... You've never been outside the wire so what the hell would you know about patriotism... Nothing ... and neither does your draft dodging butt buddy ted nugent ... your both insideous hypocrits and make no mistake friendo ... ted nugent was and is a still a pathetic coward ... R. Martin 4th ID 68-69 Central Highlands, Vietnam/ 11 Bravo and Drafted US out of New York ...
Posted By Aloysius Aloysius | about 1 year ago
Loyalty to country (to the people) and loyalty to the government are not always the same thing. Sometimes they are directly opposite.
Loyalty to government does not mean slavish endorsement of everything done in the name of the government.
Many willingly served in various wars that they were opposed to prosecuting. "May my country always be right, but my country, right or wrong." No matter the rightness or wrongness of decisions of politicians, few want foreign armies invading and conquering. Only in the face of extreme abuses by one's own government is a populace likely to welcome invading armies.
The Ukrainians welcomed the Germans as liberators from the USSR but then when the SS began abusing the people they were coerced into allying with the USSR forces. "Between a rock and a hard place."
Posted By jimiham James A. Hamilton | about 1 year ago
Comments on this report have been a valuable dialogue about the past as well as implications for the present and future. The Vietnam War years were a time of great dissention much as the present appears to be for many in this country.

I fully supported and prayed for the safe return of at least 7 relatives and 5 personal friends who did go, risking their lives, with one neighbor making the ultimate sacrifice. I was in the 1970 draft lottery and my birth date came up 272, with the cut-off at 49 for being called for induction. I was opposed to the war and have always considered myself as patriotic as anyone else, if not more so. So I was fortunate in not having to make a difficult and possibly costly personal decision if drafted, and instead started college that year. It would have been very easy for me to walk to Canada, although my first option would have been to not step forward and fight induction.

I appreciate the distinctions and perspectives shared by Hardy and Aloysius here, since decisions made by individuals at that time were extremely personal and often a matter of conscience, rather than cowardice or un-patriotism.

I’d really taken this report lightly at first, since I dismissed Nugent as dis-ingenuous and seeking publicity. He will probably wind up selling more music to people who weren’t previously familiar with it, as a result of his comments at the NRA. I even wanted to playfully chide Punditty for “picking on” ol’ Tommy Chong, since he deserves a smidgen of credit for being with Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers, who were really the ones that brought Michael Jackson/The Jackson 5 to the attention of Motown and Berry Gordy. Seriously, however, this exchange was invaluable in sharing, but also showing some old wounds and feelings are still festering.
Posted By longuecarabene longuecarabene | about 1 year ago
to those of you who never went you can rationalize your 'choices' to suit your needs accordingly but the facts regarding nugent and general statements condoning his behavior and his cavalier attitude are now and will always be tainted for what they are; the rationalizations of cowards ... deny it all you want in your emperors clothing ...
Posted By longuecarabene longuecarabene | about 1 year ago
to those of you who were never in Vietnam you entitled to rationalize your plight and state your opinion but make no mistake; nugent's disregard for those who paid the price and his cavalier attitude and pride in packing his own excrement in his pants reveal his true colors... those of you who make excuses and empathize with nugent will never admit the truth because you are what you are, one and the same as nugent.
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