Trayvon Martin, the Stand Your Ground law, and the Fugitive Slave Law mentality
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Trayvon Martin, the Stand Your Ground law, and the Fugitive Slave Law mentality

Sanford : FL : USA | Mar 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM PDT
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The facts are still coming out in the incident that happened on Feb. 26 of this year which led to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old black teenager in Sanford, Fla.

The shooter alleges the teenager looked suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie (a jacket with an attached hood, worn by the hip hop generation) and walking in a predominantly white neighborhood. The adult shooter asked the black teenager in essence for his papers, when he demanded, “where are you going?” The teenager’s girl friend who was listening to the conversation via cell phone says that Trayvon Martin responded: “Why are you following me?”

At this point the dynamics of the situation changed, as neither fugitive slave laws nor their progeny, the “Stand Your Ground” law, allow the person challenged an opportunity to speak. Under Florida’s “Stand your Ground” law a person can use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that they are in imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death, or to prevent a forcible criminal act.

Thus once someone makes that split-second judgment call, the person on the other end of the conversation may not live to tell his side of the story. The “Stand your Ground” law is contrasted with pre-Civil War fugitive slave laws in that in the latter the “suspected” slave who was caught away from where people like him usually could be found could not speak up to provide proof that he was in fact a free man.

In the instant case, Trayvon Martin’s fate was sealed when he challenged the person following him for reasons not apparent to Martin. Florida’s “Stand your Ground” law empowered George Zimmerman to shoot first and let the public ask questions later.

Thus the roots of this killing can be traced directly back to the constitutional convention held in 1787 with the enactment of Article 4, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, which required the return of runaway slaves. It sought to force the authorities in Free states to return fugitive slaves to their masters.

Therefore a mindset developed whereby blacks could be stopped and questioned about there whereabouts by any non-black person. They were, after all, mere property of another and not given to rights of free movement like other human beings.

The Fugitive Slave Clause read in part: “No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.”

Paul Finkelman, author of “Slavery and the Founders: Race in the Age of Jefferson," provides an example:

Pierce Butler and Charles Pinckney, both from South Carolina, submitted the fugitive slave clause to the Constitutional Convention. James Wilson of Pennsylvania objected, stating that it would require state governments to enforce slavery at taxpayers' expense. Butler withdrew the clause. However, on the next day the clause was quietly reinstated and adopted by the Convention without objection. This clause was added to the clause that provided extradition for fugitives from justice.” ( pg 82, 2nd edition, 2001)

When first adopted, this clause applied to fugitive slaves and required that they be extradited upon the claims of their enslavers, but it provided no means for doing so. The Fugitive Slave Act of 1793 created the mechanism for recovering a fugitive slave, overruled any state laws giving sanctuary, made it a federal crime to assist an escaped slave, and allowed slave-catchers into every U.S. state and territory.

As time went on Free States weakened the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793 by not enforcing it and failing to convict suspected runaway slaves. Then the nation heading towards a civil war during much of the 1840s was able to avert dividing the country when President Millard Fillmore pushed through the Senate the Compromise of 1850 by including the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850. It gave southern states what they wanted:

“Law-enforcement officials everywhere now had a duty to arrest anyone suspected of being a runaway slave on no more evidence than a claimant's sworn testimony of ownership. The suspected slave could not ask for a jury trial or testify on his or her own behalf.” (Milton Meltzer, "Slavery a world history," New York: Da Capo Press, pg. 225, 1971).

In 1858, Dred Scott and his family lived in Free states and territories with his master. Under prevailing state and territorial law at the time he was free. However, the United States Constitution did not make any provisions for citizenship of black people, whether free or slave. So Dred Scott sued for his freedom and “the Supreme Court ruled in Dred Scott v. Sanford, that a black man did not have any rights a white man was bound to respect.” He and his family were summarily returned to his original slave owner in St. Louis.

Goldie Taylor, contributing editor at The Grio and a contributor at MSNBC, recounts a story her mother told her about her great, great grandfather, Major Blackard, who 41 years after the Dred Scott decision, in 1899, was asked by a police officer to produce his papers. Major Blackard was 19 years of age at the time.

“Sir, I done left my wallet…” Blackard said. Before he could finish his sentence, the young man was posted against the brick wall, cuffed and taken to the St. Louis city jail. Unable to prove his identity, he would spend the next 21 days in a cramped, musty cell. That’s where his older brother Matt found him, beaten and bloodied. Matt returned with Major’s employer later that day, wallet and identification card in hand, to post bond.” (See http://youtu.be/anPFSXDgHtM).

One hundred and ten years later, the United States of America elected its first black presidnet, albeit not one with a slave past like Dred Scott, but nevertheless three years into his presidency white Americans demand to see his papers. It is as if President Obama does not have any legitimacy to live where he lives and has to constantly prove that he indeed is an authentic occupier of the White House and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining thereto.

Now this, a black teenager gunned down by a self-proclaimed neighborhood watch captain in a neighborhood without a registered neighborhood watch program. The “Stand your Ground” law is the brainchild of the National Rifle Association, whose aim seemingly is to put a gun in every adult hand in America and jerk us back to the days of the Wild, Wild West. It would be interesting to note the NRA’s ties to gun manufacturers and where money is derived for its considerable lobbying efforts.

The law as it stands allows the last man standing in an altercation to literally get away with murder.

For African Americans, it’s that old pesky bug-a-boo of never being fully accepted into the American ethos due to a slave past and all the stereotypes which come along with that historical baggage.

“Show me your papers,” non black Americans. Justify, given the passage of time, why the legal system is still skewered in your favor.

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Dred Scott challenged the Fugitive Slave Law and sued for his freedom in 1858.  The U. S. Supreme ruled a Negro did not have a legal right to bring suit before the court.
Harold Michael Harvey, J. D. is based in Atlanta, Georgia, United States of America, and is an Anchor for Allvoices.
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Posted By Larry-Crehore Larry-Crehore | about 1 year ago
Harold as you know I respect you and always look forward to your comments. However I do have to disagree with you here a bit. This issue is not about Dred Scott, The Fugitive Slave Clause, or the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793. It is about a young man struck down in a way that appears to be illegal in itself. The Stand Your Ground Law is in question here and from what I can see Zimmerman is in violation of this law on more than one count. Here is a link to the actual law:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

I encourage all to read and understand this law first, then they can make an informed decision about what they have heard. Remember though what we have heard is just that hearsay and that isn't acceptable in any court in the United States. Great report on the history that got us to this point. Rated Up!!!
Reply By TruthSeeker1984 TruthSeeker1984 | about 1 year ago
I understand what you are saying, Larry, but I can also see how Harvey is comparing the Trayvon Martin case to cases in the past during slavery times. Although, I do agree that this comparison could be a stretch, I can see where he's going with it. I believe (If I'm wrong, Harvey; correct me) that Harvey is encouraging us all to look closely at this situation to see that it is possible that we are reverting back to the past when a black man can't walk down the street without being questioned. Although, I in no way believe that this is the mindset of most white Americans, I believe that this article could show that Zimmerman may have looked at Trayvon Martin in the same way in which whites during slavery looked at blacks.
Reply By FindTheMissing FindTheMissing | about 1 year ago
Please click on MY id ABOVE "Find The Missing" and see the article about Trayvons case in my profile It will open your eyes and hopefully make you mad the system is not in place which could have avoided ALL the clamor and confrontation since Trayvon Died.

Thank You Bill
Posted By hmichaelharvey Harold Michael Harvey, J. D. | about 1 year ago
Larry-Crehore, in your opinion it is not about Dred Scott, etc, etc., etc. However, where I seat this is precisely what it is about. I cited the law in my article and do not need the citation. After practicing criminallaw for twenty years researching and reading the law is one of the few skills I possess. If you will note this article does not get into the guilt or innocence of either party in this case. What it does do is place this event into historical context. Thanks for the Rated up.
Posted By hmichaelharvey Harold Michael Harvey, J. D. | about 1 year ago
Show me your paper's Sir, that give you the right to tell me that my position is incorrect. You may have a different opinion of the situation, but you Sir, have no papers to prove that you can tell me that my position is wrong. If you do in fact have such papers produce them right now.
Reply By Larry-Crehore Larry-Crehore | about 1 year ago
I did not say your position was wrong, in fact I gave it validation. My point was only that this case is and should be focused on the violation that this Zimmerman committed. I respect your comments as I said before. And I will always look forward to them. The path you site that got us here is not only valid but very correct. Sorry if you mistook my comment as saying you were wrong because nothing could be farther from the truth. And to clarify, no I am not an attorney and have only a basic knowledge of the law.
Reply By TruthSeeker1984 TruthSeeker1984 | about 1 year ago
Larry, with all due respect, I completely understand what you are saying, but as a black female, I can see how this Trayvon Martin case can be compared to cases that took place hundreds of years ago during slavery times. I know this case is not about what happened hundreds of years ago, but I do believe that it is not unwise to take a closer look to see that the same thing that happened with Trayvon Martin is the same type of scenerio that took place hundreds of years ago. I believe this case should cause us all to question the society in which we live and to evaluate it more closely. Not that I feel that we need to focus on what happened hundreds of years ago and use that for an excuse to be racist or mad at whites for what happened, but I believe that being informed is always the best option. It's sad that we all have had to come together under such tragic circumstances.
Posted By hmichaelharvey Harold Michael Harvey, J. D. | about 1 year ago
I was responding to this statement of yours: "This issue is not about Dred Scott, The Fugitive Slave Clause, or the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793. It is about a young man struck down in a way that appears to be illegal in itself."

Obviously, to say it is not about what I have posited it is about is to say that my postulation is incorrect. However, I accept the fact I may have misunderstood your intent. I too look forward to your posts and enjoy reading them.
Posted By rich63 rich63 | about 1 year ago
You are both wrong. Martin struck down Zimmerman. That gave Zimmerman the right to use his weapon. Simple case of self defense. You have used the race card too many times. This case has nothing to do with the color of anybodys skin. Both men had brown skin anyway.
Reply By TruthSeeker1984 TruthSeeker1984 | about 1 year ago
Rich63, what part about Zimmerman was following, stalking, and chasing Trayvon Martin don't you understand? IF someone was following you, stalking you, chasing you, and now they have a gun, who wouldn't punch that person whom you believe is a threat to you. This Stand Your Ground law applies ONLY to Trayvon Martin. When he punched Zimmerman, if he even did considering Zimmerman went to the hospital days later and could have punched himself, Trayvon was DEFENDING himself. He felt threatened by Zimmerman to the point that he started running. Even Zimmerman said on the 911 tapes, "He's running. He's getting away." Why would you chase someone whom you feel threatened by? Wouldn't you run the opposite direction? He CHASED Trayvon. What else was Trayvon Martin supposed to do? He was chased down and then had a gun pointed at him. Oh, wait, I forgot to leave out the best part. Zimmerman WENT BACK to his truck, retrieved the gun, and then chased Trayvon down before he shot him. What would you do if someone was stalking you down like that? Would you not exert your Stand Your Ground rights? If anyone was standing their ground, it was Trayvon who was running FROM Zimmerman for his life. Zimmerman was told NOT to chase Trayvon. He obviously does not understand the meaning to the word, "watch." It's the neighborhood "watch" program; not the "be a wanna be police officer, stalk people that look suspicious, call them coons and other racial slurs, go to your truck, retrieve a gun, and shoot them dead" Program. Who was the threat? The one being chased or the one doing the chasing. If Trayvon was such a threat, when Zimmerman went to his truck to retrieve his gun, why didn't he get it the truck and drive away since he was so frightened? No, he got a gun and chased Trayvon down. Now, you tell me who was the aggressor. Self-defense does not apply when YOU are the aggressor. Zimmerman does not have brown skin. He probably does now that the Panthers are looking for him. I don't blame him. If I was being hunted by the Panthers, I would change colors, too.
Posted By hmichaelharvey Harold Michael Harvey, J. D. | about 1 year ago
Show me your papers.
Posted By rich63 rich63 | about 1 year ago
I'll be glad to show my papers....I'm PROUD to be who I AM.....
Posted By Larry-Crehore Larry-Crehore | about 1 year ago
On the police department tapes the dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop his pursuit, Zimmerman elected not to obey the directive one of many mistake he made that day.
Reply By mcclearypl Philip McCleary | about 1 year ago
Dispatchers offer advice they do not have the power to "Order" anyone to do anything. I know I spent 20 years as a dispatcher!
Mr Zimmerman had the "Right" to ask Trayvon Martin what he was doing in the area and Trayvon Martin had the "Right" to tell him it was none of his business. Evidence seems to show that Trayvon Martin stopped ignoring Mr. Zimmerman and took the illegal action of attacking Mr. Zimmerman note this is the first and only illegal act that night. That action alone allowed Mr. Zimmerman to take action to protect himself. I wonder how many protests and "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters there would be if when Trayvon Martin hit Mr. Zimmerman he had fallen and hit his head and died? What I see brewing is true Vigilante justice where those in the wrong scream loud enough that they get what they do not deserve. My hat off to you Mr. Zimmerman for at least trying to keep you and yours safe. You did not handle it the way I would have but at least you tried.
Philip McCleary
Reply By TruthSeeker1984 TruthSeeker1984 | about 1 year ago
Dude, when in hell or on earth does a person have the right to ask another person who is doing nothing but walking, WHY they are walking in that area? You must be living back in the 1930's. Did Zimmerman have the right to CHASE Trayvon Martin down and shoot him? I guess so, if you are living in the mindset of the 1930's. If someone was following you for a long distance, then they starting chasing you, what would you do? Who defended themselves, really? Who was the aggressor? Really. You say Zimmerman had the right to do what he did; that's cool, too. Because we have the right to protest for the wrong done to Trayvon. Zimmerman WILL be arrested. You can bank on that. The protests won't stop until he is.
Posted By mhatter99 Martin Kloess | about 1 year ago
i am afraid we may never know the truth
Posted By gingerriley gingerriley | about 1 year ago
Harold Michael Harvey,
Then surely if as you have expressed, this whole incident should not be classify in any way as a tragedy, especially when it concerns the individual action before firing the lethal shot. Our level of intelligence In this 21st century, most certainly would naturally cultivate from the most inner dimensions of our thoughts and reasoning that cohesively and incontrovertibly, It is stupidity to believe a man, who starts some form of confrontations, leading to him killing a person, that such a man should be rely on for justifying his action as an act of self defense.
The only tragedy would be those who facilitates and those which enacts to abate the offending side through some loophole in the legal system. However, this should not be a problem in this case and in which case, there are many amendments to ensure that there were no dangers which impede the survival of those slaves.
The fact to the matter is that a flagrant violation and a flagitious crime have been committed on an innocent teenager. Survival is not for one race, so there is now a need to see that there are committed people to pursuing strategically to ensuring the current laws in placed is designed and working to please all its citizens who contribute to its organizations.
As for those who feel privileged and are happy to keeping it tilted to one so that they can go out as perpetrators and exhibits hateful, antagonistically and inimical behavior towards certain ethnicity, they too should be rooted out from practicing within governments establishment.
Reply By TruthSeeker1984 TruthSeeker1984 | about 1 year ago
@ginerriley: It's a tragedy. It's a tragedy to Trayvon's parent's and it's a tragedy to all of the supporters of Trayvon who are protesting against this wrong done to him. If you don't think it's a tragedy, you must not be watching the news...
Posted By oldgirl51 oldgirl51 | about 1 year ago
I do not see this as a racist crime as much as it is to do with the Hip Hop generation. I have been approached by 17 and 18 year olds(both black and white together)with the baggy pants and hoodies and have been scared out of my mind. These boys thought it was funny to scare an older women and laughed at be as I continued on my way. If this had happened when I was younger, I would have run over them with my vehicle and laughed on my way home. This is a matter of respect of each other also, which the teens of today have none.
Reply By TruthSeeker1984 TruthSeeker1984 | about 1 year ago
@oldgirl51, you were not scared out of your mind when you saw black guys with baggy pants and hoodies. You were "ignorant" out of your mind. To think that someone deserves to be gunned down because of what they are wearing is to say that a woman deserves to be raped if she is seductively dressed.
Reply By FindTheMissing FindTheMissing | about 1 year ago
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Posted By DavaCastillo Dava Castillo | about 1 year ago
Thanks for the great report Harold.

Excellent analogy to the Fugitive Slave Law. I wish I had thought of that when I was writing so much about SB 1070 in Arizona, which btw is about to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in terms of its racial profiling aspect.
Reply By FindTheMissing FindTheMissing | about 1 year ago
Please click on MY id ABOVE "Find The Missing" and see the article about Trayvons case in my profile It will open your eyes and hopefully make you mad the system is not in place which could have avoided ALL the clamor and confrontation since Trayvon Died.

Share and tweet the URLS WE NEED to band together to get this done.

Thank You Bill
Posted By atlstoryteller Audraine Jackson | about 1 year ago
I liked the analogy to the Fugitive Slave law. Unique perspective when you linked it to the Birther movement. It is sad that some want to keep using the phrase "race card". A teen is dead and it had nothing to do with a card game. This is real life and death and should not be trivialized as a convenient catch phrase. Apparently if some don't see racism in their world it doesn't happen anywhere in the world. Sad.
Posted By GthaNomad GthaNomad | about 1 year ago
I had been thinking the same thing all week...The thing that links Dred Scott and Trayvon Martin is Supreme Court judge Roger B. Taney's infamous statement that a "Black man has no rights that a white man is bound to respect." When a Black boy is shot for living and his killer is allowed to escape prosecution, it sounds like Taney's doctrine is still in effect.
Posted By gingerriley gingerriley | about 1 year ago
Being President is the core of the USA policy making and a huge responsibility for any president, together with his administrators. At least we do anticipate with our greatest admirations and respect that President Obama position is the choice of a bona fide majority off the voters, who are the true touching hearts and soulful people of America society, we love them all.
Regardless, as you’ve said, about the whites Americans demanding to see President Obama Birth certificate, we totally agree that it symbolizes an act pertaining to an unfathomable ignorance to truth and rights and forgetting that themselves were white settler’s, before America became a state, thus indubitably giving President Obama the same privileged.
Posted By Punditty Punditty | about 1 year ago
Harold, this sentence sent chills down my spine:

"It is as if President Obama does not have any legitimacy to live where he lives and has to constantly prove that he indeed is an authentic occupier of the White House and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining thereto."

How sad & how true. This is exactly what the Birthers are doing, even if folks like Sheriff Joe have convinced themselves they are working in the public interest. I don't know if everyone who thinks Obama was Kenyan-born is "prejudiced" in the traditional sense of the term, but what we can say with 100 percent certainty is that the repeated inference that Obama may not be a "legitimate" president has its energetic roots in "your papers, please" thinking. It is a sad commentary on how deep the roots of prejudice and "white entitlement" go in our nation.

Outstanding article.
Posted By hmichaelharvey Harold Michael Harvey, J. D. | about 1 year ago
Humbled by the most recent expressions. Thank you all for getting it.
Posted By WV1970 WV1970 | about 1 year ago
I do not have a problem with the Stand Your Ground laws. My home state of WV has Castle Doctrine, no one should be made to feel like a victim anywhere. However, in my opinion Mr. Zimmerman was totally in the wrong for continuing to pursue Trayvon. The law gives you the right to protect yourself but does not give you the right to provoke a confrontation and then try to shield yourself with the law. That is how the law is written in WV anyway. Castle Doctrine gives you the right to defend yourself and family in your home and property and that should be a basic right for anyone. In public you have a right to defend yourself but not to provoke a confrontation or to pursue someone.

There is nothing wrong with being asked for identification or your credentials, I provide them willingly to purchase beer and to police officers if I am pulled over for something. I was asked to provide my birth certificate to my last employer why should the president not be held to the same standard. I've been asked to provide my college records and again why should the leader of our country not be held to the same standard. I would expect it from anyone holding our nations highest office not just this president.
Reply By FindTheMissing FindTheMissing | about 1 year ago
Please click on MY id ABOVE "Find The Missing" and see the article about Trayvons case in my profile It will open your eyes and hopefully make you mad the system is not in place which could have avoided ALL the clamor and confrontation since Trayvon Died.

Thank You Bill
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